Been trying to find the answer to this and non of the outfitters don't seem to know 100%. Ive contacted Ontario parks but haven't heard back. We are camping on Sag, motor side in BWCA and want to fish the east end of Saganaga. We plan on having RABC's and Ontario license/outdoors cards. What I am trying to figure out is if that end is part of the Quetico or not. The boundaries aren't clear on any mapping .

I would assume we would need a "park pass" however I cant seem to figure out if that is considered park over there and if so, what park is it? Would we just get a general vehicle pass to have the boat over there?

We dont plan on getting out of the boat, just fishing.

the east side of Sag is just crown land. quetico park starts on the west side of sag where Cache Bay is located.

if you are camping in MN but fishing in Canada you'll also need the RABC permit for each person in the party.

be sure to understand the fishing regulations (live bait) and for limits and possession for MN and Canada.

also, have a good map and review it with the locals up there so you know where the rock piles and motor hazards are located.

This map from the Ontario "Crown Land Use Policy Atlas" makes it look like the islands and peninsulas and shorelines are not crown land. I think my National Geographic maps have it marked as La Verendrye Provincial Park. The Ontario Parks website list it as a"Non Operating Park" with "no activities or facilities", but it does say that you are welcome to backcountry camp. It is not listed on their list of park fees, and since there are no facilities, I would assume there is no fee to enter the park. I could be completely wrong though.

I'm intrigued. Let me know what Ontario Parks says when they get back with you. My guess is with an RABC, Outdoors Card, and an Ontario fishing License, you're good to go.

Scratch that.

Your bwca permit will no longer be valid once you cross into Canada. Technically you cannot legally re enter the park on the same permit.

You could get a day use permit and then find a campsite on the Canadian side though.

quote Mocha: "the east side of Sag is just crown land. quetico park starts on the west side of sag where Cache Bay is located."

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butthead

quote Rich Mahogony: " This map from the Ontario "Crown Land Use Policy Atlas" makes it look like the islands and peninsulas and shorelines are not crown land. I think my National Geographic maps have it marked as La Verendrye Provincial Park. The Ontario Parks website list it as a"Non Operating Park" with "no activities or facilities", but it does say that you are welcome to backcountry camp. It is not listed on their list of park fees, and since there are no facilities, I would assume there is no fee to enter the park. I could be completely wrong though.


I'm intrigued. Let me know what Ontario Parks says when they get back with you. My guess is with an RABC, Outdoors Card, and an Ontario fishing License, you're good to go.

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your info is interesting. i thought if you camped on canadian soil (non-quetico) you were on crown land, regardless of the laverendry park name and that crown land camping fees would be required. these can be obtained on the same site as the canadian outdoors card and fishing license. your comment about exiting and re-entering on day pass is also interesting and i'd be interested to hear what the USFS says about this. so many technicalities!

thanks for posting that map, butthead! i can never figure out how to do that.

I was having the same issue as it was listed as La Verendrye Provincial Park (same website you were looking at) and it wasnt cut and dry vs. going into Quetico. I did finally get a response and this is what they said...

"If you are just wandering in the park on a canoe from the BWCA to fish for a few hours and head back out again and continue along their way, they do not need an interior day pass to do so - just the RABC and Ontario fishing license. If they were going to touch shore, use a portage, or occupy a shoreline site within the park, than we would require a day pass. Day passes are $20.00 for day entry during hours of operation. Let us know if you have any further questions ."

And I did specify that would we would be east of Cache Bay (outside of Quetico) limits. So in a nutshell, as long as you are only in the boat, a license and a RABC you are fine. Get out of the boat and onto land, you need a day pass to "enter the park". Now how that factors into going into and out of the BWCA on a single permit I don't know but I'm not going to sweat that one.

Needless to say I will be printing this email off and bringing it with us so if we get stopped, we have some sort of documentation that it was explained this way by Ontario Parks.