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03/28/2017 04:07PM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
Traci Lynn Martin is doing "Just Around the Pointe" this season- an 8,600 mile attempt. Started about 2 weeks ago and not going well. just around the pointe

Joe Zellner was supposed to be a part of that but something changed. Now Joe and Peggy are doing their own thing called "2 People Paddling 5", a 6,100 mile attempt, and is set to start April 1st. 2paddling5

I know Joe and Traci come from kayak racing backgrounds and both are successful in that. I did meet Joe in Ely last year at the Great American Canoe Festival and talked about his planned trip. Liked him except he was faster than me in his sleek racing 'yak.

Both adventures have satellite tracking sites so their progress can be watched, if you're interested.
 
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03/28/2017 05:03PM  
Thanks Beav. I watched Traci's video. Seems like a marathon. It doesn't have the variety or level of danger as your Alaskan trip. You set the bar too high for these people.



 
Grandma L
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03/28/2017 06:00PM  
Thanks BeaV, fun to watch.
 
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03/28/2017 06:40PM  
I don't know. Two young boys at home who need their mother. One even asked her outright not to do it. I'm not a mother but I know there is no way on God's green earth my wife would have missed out on nearly a year of our boys' lives...on purpose. I know military women are faced with this and there isn't much they can do about it, but they are sacrificing for their nation and fellow man. To remove yourself from the needs of your children for that long of a period to accomplish a personal goal...I don't see it. When they're older, fine, set a different goal for your abilities at that time.

I fully expect the liberals on this site to flame me for this opinion and how I am a sexist, etc, etc... That's fine.
 
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03/28/2017 08:08PM  
not going well
and its just the beginning
second rescue
 
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03/28/2017 09:13PM  
quote thinblueline: "I don't know. Two young boys at home who need their mother. One even asked her outright not to do it. I'm not a mother but I know there is no way on God's green earth my wife would have missed out on nearly a year of our boys' lives...on purpose. I know military women are faced with this and there isn't much they can do about it, but they are sacrificing for their nation and fellow man. To remove yourself from the needs of your children for that long of a period to accomplish a personal goal...I don't see it. When they're older, fine, set a different goal for your abilities at that time.


I fully expect the liberals on this site to flame me for this opinion and how I am a sexist, etc, etc... That's fine."

Not "flaming". I do understand your view and it does have merit. It is their decision. The problem is , you can't go back and have a "do-over" if it turns out to have been a bad decision.
 
03/29/2017 02:40AM  
quote yellowcanoe: "not going well
and its just the beginning
second rescue "


Looks like she hasn't moved since the 2nd rescue.- at least according to her tracking device. According to the article -- she was attempting to cross Saginaw Bay from near Port Austin and across to the NW to Tawas City area. thats about a 25 mile open water crossing that does not look like fun with the weather being like it has been in that area and forecast to be-- not counting what looks like some scary ice flows.....

WAVES ARE THE SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT - THE AVERAGE OF THE HIGHEST 1/3 OF THE WAVE SPECTRUM. OCCASIONAL WAVE HEIGHT IS THE AVERAGE OF THE HIGHEST 1/10 OF THE WAVE SPECTRUM.

Today
NE wind around 12 kt. Partly sunny. Waves 2 to 3 ft.
Tonight
NE wind 10 to 12 kt. Mostly cloudy. Waves around 2 ft.
Thursday
E wind 13 to 16 kt. A chance of snow before noon, then a chance of rain and snow between noon and 2pm, then rain after 2pm. Waves around 3 ft.
Thursday Night
E wind around 19 kt, with gusts as high as 26 kt. Rain and snow, becoming all rain after 8pm. Waves 4 to 5 ft.
Friday
ENE wind around 16 kt. Rain likely, mainly before 8am. Waves 4 to 5 ft.
Friday Night
NNE wind 14 to 18 kt. A chance of rain before 2am. Waves 4 to 5 ft.
Saturday
NNE wind 6 to 11 kt. Mostly sunny. Waves 2 to 3 ft.
Saturday Night
Variable winds 5 kt or less. Partly cloudy. Waves around 1 ft.
Sunday
Variable winds 5 kt or less. Mostly sunny. Waves around 1 ft.
 
03/29/2017 03:05AM  
Looks like she was trying to make that crossing because most of the Saginaw Bay further SW looks icy---- doesn't look too promising up near Mackinaw City as far as ice,, but ways to go. Where as most of us here in the Upper Midwest havent had much of a winter,, it's a different story for the Eastern Great Lakes...







and forecast to engulf more of Sag Bay--- if she can get across to Tawas area-- she should be OK-- but that is a big if. forecast for Friday the 30th at 8pm-
 
03/29/2017 05:57AM  
quote thinblueline: "I don't know. Two young boys at home who need their mother. One even asked her outright not to do it. I'm not a mother but I know there is no way on God's green earth my wife would have missed out on nearly a year of our boys' lives...on purpose. I know military women are faced with this and there isn't much they can do about it, but they are sacrificing for their nation and fellow man. To remove yourself from the needs of your children for that long of a period to accomplish a personal goal...I don't see it. When they're older, fine, set a different goal for your abilities at that time.

I fully expect the liberals on this site to flame me for this opinion and how I am a sexist, etc, etc... That's fine."


I am in agreement with you. I imagine that young boy to be pretty worried about losing his Mom too. It's her decision but she had children and she might regret missing this time with them. A 10 year old sure could use his Mom.

I'm not a fan of labels though. I hate the terms liberal and conservatives. It's so black and white. What of the vast majority in the middle like myself? It's her life, her kids and her regrets. I would just wait 5 more years but that's me.



 
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03/29/2017 06:04AM  
quote thinblueline: "I don't know. Two young boys at home who need their mother. One even asked her outright not to do it. I'm not a mother but I know there is no way on God's green earth my wife would have missed out on nearly a year of our boys' lives...on purpose. I know military women are faced with this and there isn't much they can do about it, but they are sacrificing for their nation and fellow man. To remove yourself from the needs of your children for that long of a period to accomplish a personal goal...I don't see it. When they're older, fine, set a different goal for your abilities at that time.


I fully expect the liberals on this site to flame me for this opinion and how I am a sexist, etc, etc... That's fine."



I'm with you Blue line but I will apply that standard to fathers as well.........It is the height of selfishness to take off paddling for a year while you have kids. Its unimaginable. When my daughter was born I stopped going out west on business for 2 months every year like I had always done so I could be what God called me to be........a Dad! If your not going to be a parent then don't have kids.
 
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03/29/2017 07:15AM  
quote thinblueline: "I don't know. Two young boys at home who need their mother. One even asked her outright not to do it. I'm not a mother but I know there is no way on God's green earth my wife would have missed out on nearly a year of our boys' lives...on purpose. I know military women are faced with this and there isn't much they can do about it, but they are sacrificing for their nation and fellow man. To remove yourself from the needs of your children for that long of a period to accomplish a personal goal...I don't see it. When they're older, fine, set a different goal for your abilities at that time.


I fully expect the liberals on this site to flame me for this opinion and how I am a sexist, etc, etc... That's fine."
I totally agreed with you until your last sentence. Im an independent conservative so your liberal comment doesn't apply to me, but let me just say im so incredibly sick of this political bs trolling crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
03/29/2017 07:32AM  
quote Basspro69: " I totally agreed with you until your last sentence. Im an independent conservative so your liberal comment doesn't apply to me, but let me just say im so incredibly sick of this political bs trolling crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


I think it is a sign of people's frustrations with the political BS that they point out that they are likely to get flamed. It also deters a lot of the flaming because it make them think twice about doing what is so expected it is borderline cliché. So don't give him too much crap for having his guard up. I'll also point out that Liberal is not the same as Democrat. The extreme feminist that would give him crap is a far left liberal viewpoint, that doesn't mean politics at all. The argument may have been carried into politics but it is not purely a political discussion. To make the two one and the same is part of what causes more of the political BS that you are so sick of.
 
03/29/2017 07:55AM  
WhiteWolf, that is the PERFECT forecast for her to continue if she were to follow the shoreline. That pan ice/slab ice will likely blow out from shore allowing progress in a safe manner. Unfortunately, she has decided to call it quits for a couple weeks and go home.

I hope she goes home, clears her head/heart of family obligations, fires her massive support team, renounces her failing high tech navigation, gets mad at the "authorities" whom want to deter her, and gets back on the water (well mostly liquid water).

Actually, I hope she doesn't go home and instead just quietly sneaks back out on the water and does her thing.
 
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03/29/2017 08:34AM  
Whether to go or not to go.. is it selfish is an age old question that all solo paddlers have to wrestle with.

I have had family members say I should never canoe alone as it is too risky and it is selfish. I prefer to live my life as I see fit. My kids are grown and my husband in agreement.

Its my life, Not yours and not theirs.
 
03/29/2017 10:02AM  
quote yellowcanoe: "Whether to go or not to go.. is it selfish is an age old question that all solo paddlers have to wrestle with.


I have had family members say I should never canoe alone as it is too risky and it is selfish. I prefer to live my life as I see fit. My kids are grown and my husband in agreement.


Its my life, Not yours and not theirs."


You never disagreed that it is selfish though. It is inspiring and an adventure that people will talk about, but ultimately it is done for themselves. Family situation aside, going out in conditions where you are needing to be rescued twice and putting those rescuers at risk is very selfish and they are correct to fine her or confiscate/abandon her kayak with such reckless behavior. It is one thing to sacrifice time with your family and risk your own life, but putting others in harms way, not to mention the cost which she does not pay, is very selfish and should be punishable.

I agree that you can do dangerous things because it is your own life, but you have to draw the line when you start to have a much larger impact on people other than yourself and your family. Like you said, its your life not theirs, so don't risk others too.
 
03/29/2017 11:41AM  
quote A1t2o: "
quote yellowcanoe: "Whether to go or not to go.. is it selfish is an age old question that all solo paddlers have to wrestle with.



I have had family members say I should never canoe alone as it is too risky and it is selfish. I prefer to live my life as I see fit. My kids are grown and my husband in agreement.



Its my life, Not yours and not theirs."



It is inspiring and an adventure that people will talk about, but ultimately it is done for themselves. =quote>

Deep topic. For some it may seem selfish. But it does motivate some to "think" they can do something they didn't think they could. What is wrong with that?? Pushing the mind and body more then what you think you can do?>--- that is awesome. That is living. I used to be an elite swimmer ranked in the top 50 in the world in my event--- the training I did was not healthy,, would have killed most people. But to those properly "prepared " to enter physical torment day after day aka "training" --- It made you a stronger athlete and a person. (as long as you learn to lose--) and this "training" had an ultimate end game. (Olympics or whatever). That's healthy imo -- without risk -- their is no reward. If it's easy, it aint worth having are some thoughts that come to mind.--- and btw-- thanks BeaV!!
 
03/29/2017 12:39PM  
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1) Thanks BeaV for sharing these adventures. They will be interesting to follow for sure.

2) I agree that a feat like the Pointe trip is a contradiction in parenting (thanks to whoever pointed out that such a trip is a mom AND dad conflict). And to me, it doesn't seem to be an easy choice for her. She is 52. She has RA. Her mom's health situation influenced her thinking. She's framing it as "now or never" basically. And in theory, I agree that what is good for a parent and their mental health and happiness, does benefit the child(ren) as well. But it is a risk - from the perspective of what the children might need during that time, and from the perspective of survival of the parent to return to the child(ren). I don't recall much being said about the dad in the video, but I would hope he's fully able and prepared to meet the needs of the boys while she's away. *I* couldn't/wouldn't do it. But how many male explorers head off and leave their children behind with mom? Have we ever debated that ethic? Most accounts I read don't even indicate if the male explorer has any children... just sayin'.

3) what's up with her kayak? Is an open cockpit like that meant for paddling this water temperature?

4) I read the rescue article and was shocked to read that the coast guard said if they needed to rescue her again, they'd leave her boat at sea or otherwise penalize her. I GET the point, and understand the risk to rescuers from someone that keeps attempting the same thing. I've just never heard that kind of language before - are there other rescues like this where rescue team responds similarly? Making it essentially their call when it's safe?
 
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03/29/2017 01:51PM  
Thanks BWPaddler,
Good prespective on Dad-Mom explorers and Good question about the Rescue Team. I just hope she can have good weather ane make good decisions for a safe journey - that will benefit every one.
 
03/29/2017 02:06PM  
BWP- regarding your question on her surf ski kayak...I'm not knowledgeable about kayaks but I know Joe Zellner is and he is a resident of Grand Marais and knows about cold-water paddling on Lake Superior. Check out this link that discusses both his boat (the orange one) and her's. This is from when they were partners. kayaks

Joe is also a dealer for Stellar Kayaks so I gotta believe Joe/Traci/Stellar collaboration feel they have the right boats. Good thing about cold water is your chocolate won't melt if you leave it laying on the hull:)
 
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03/29/2017 04:03PM  
quote A1t2o: "
quote Basspro69: " I totally agreed with you until your last sentence. Im an independent conservative so your liberal comment doesn't apply to me, but let me just say im so incredibly sick of this political bs trolling crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"



I think it is a sign of people's frustrations with the political BS that they point out that they are likely to get flamed. It also deters a lot of the flaming because it make them think twice about doing what is so expected it is borderline cliché. So don't give him too much crap for having his guard up. I'll also point out that Liberal is not the same as Democrat. The extreme feminist that would give him crap is a far left liberal viewpoint, that doesn't mean politics at all. The argument may have been carried into politics but it is not purely a political discussion. To make the two one and the same is part of what causes more of the political BS that you are so sick of."


Spot on
 
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03/29/2017 05:50PM  
Since I don't know her or her situation I won't comment on whether or not it's the right decision to do what she's doing or what I'd do in her place. But a mom doing something like this is unique and the press is bound to play up the "leaving the kids at home" angle.

I think people who are happy and content with their lives don't have a big desire to do things like this. One thing this trip will give her is lots of time without distraction to think about things. Lots of things. One can only hope that in the end she's wrestled with some demons and come out ahead. It's entirely possible this could turn out to be a very positive thing for both her and her children.

Alan
 
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03/29/2017 06:15PM  
quote A1t2o: "
quote yellowcanoe: "Whether to go or not to go.. is it selfish is an age old question that all solo paddlers have to wrestle with.



I have had family members say I should never canoe alone as it is too risky and it is selfish. I prefer to live my life as I see fit. My kids are grown and my husband in agreement.



Its my life, Not yours and not theirs."



You never disagreed that it is selfish though. It is inspiring and an adventure that people will talk about, but ultimately it is done for themselves. Family situation aside, going out in conditions where you are needing to be rescued twice and putting those rescuers at risk is very selfish and they are correct to fine her or confiscate/abandon her kayak with such reckless behavior. It is one thing to sacrifice time with your family and risk your own life, but putting others in harms way, not to mention the cost which she does not pay, is very selfish and should be punishable.


I agree that you can do dangerous things because it is your own life, but you have to draw the line when you start to have a much larger impact on people other than yourself and your family. Like you said, its your life not theirs, so don't risk others too."


Nailed It! Biography........ I'm gonna make a series of selfish and reckless decisions but if I need rescued everyone should risk their lives and expend public resources saving my poor misguided heroic backside. PS....if I don't make it please be sure and tell my kids I did it my way without regard for their well being. I'm sure they'll understand?
 
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03/29/2017 07:29PM  
I've chatted with Traci and other expedition paddlers and my concern is the common desire to break records. I'd rather see them paddle the trip they want to paddle rather than paddling the trip that surpasses another person's trip. Some, of course, paddle to see what they want to see. Others seem to be chasing numbers.

As far as flirting with death, I drove through Chicago today. Those folks spit in the face of assured clear distance and stomp speed limits.
 
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03/29/2017 08:41PM  
quote missmolly: "I drove through Chicago today. "


On purpose?
 
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03/29/2017 09:28PM  
Paddle 6000 miles....
That'll look good on the resume...
 
yogi59weedr
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03/29/2017 09:28PM  
Paddle 6000 miles....
That'll look good on the resume...
 
mastertangler
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03/30/2017 06:40AM  
quote BeaV: "BWP- regarding your question on her surf ski kayak...I'm not knowledgeable about kayaks but I know Joe Zellner is and he is a resident of Grand Marais and knows about cold-water paddling on Lake Superior. Check out this link that discusses both his boat (the orange one) and her's. This is from when they were partners. kayaks


Joe is also a dealer for Stellar Kayaks so I gotta believe Joe/Traci/Stellar collaboration feel they have the right boats. Good thing about cold water is your chocolate won't melt if you leave it laying on the hull:)"


Whoa! I have owned a Gruman aluminum...........then a plastic coleman canoe........Now I own a Bell carbon fiber solo........and a Superior Expedition (a canoe/Kayak hybrid much like a Seawind)

Ahem.......I have very little experience evaluating canoes and Kayaks. But to attempt something like this in an open boat seems borderline ridiculous even to someone as inexperienced as myself. Marketing perhaps? The obvious problem as I see it is cold water. Sure the boats are probably very seaworthy but wearing cold water hour after hour is going to kick anyones posterior and that in short order. I had assumed she was paddling a traditional sea kayak and skirt.

Looks like a great boat however and given the right circumstances it looks like it could really fly. I will giver her credit for being gutsy thats for sure. I am heading to Isle Royal this summer in my Expedition (Lord willing) and am going to make generous use of a water taxi to avoid stretches of harsh Lake Superior shoreline even though I have an ideal boat for big water. I remember just how cold that water is. Brrrr!
 
03/30/2017 08:14AM  
quote BeaV: "BWP- regarding your question on her surf ski kayak...I'm not knowledgeable about kayaks but I know Joe Zellner is and he is a resident of Grand Marais and knows about cold-water paddling on Lake Superior. Check out this link that discusses both his boat (the orange one) and her's. This is from when they were partners. kayaks


Joe is also a dealer for Stellar Kayaks so I gotta believe Joe/Traci/Stellar collaboration feel they have the right boats. Good thing about cold water is your chocolate won't melt if you leave it laying on the hull:)"


I had skimmed that article before and saw they added hatches for her gear. I missed the part where it shows there is a cockpit cover available. I guess the design difference is intended to offer speed, which would be required if she's to do that distance in one year.

I do wish her well!
 
03/30/2017 08:32AM  
quote mastertangler: "Whoa! I have owned a Gruman aluminum...........then a plastic coleman canoe........Now I own a Bell carbon fiber solo........and a Superior Expedition (a canoe/Kayak hybrid much like a Seawind)


Ahem.......I have very little experience evaluating canoes and Kayaks. But to attempt something like this in an open boat seems borderline ridiculous even to someone as inexperienced as myself. Marketing perhaps? The obvious problem as I see it is cold water. Sure the boats are probably very seaworthy but wearing cold water hour after hour is going to kick anyones posterior and that in short order. I had assumed she was paddling a traditional sea kayak and skirt.


Looks like a great boat however and given the right circumstances it looks like it could really fly. I will giver her credit for being gutsy thats for sure. I am heading to Isle Royal this summer in my Expedition (Lord willing) and am going to make generous use of a water taxi to avoid stretches of harsh Lake Superior shoreline even though I have an ideal boat for big water. I remember just how cold that water is. Brrrr!"


Check out the video of the boat in this article. The design does show a cover, but doesn't appear to be in use as she launched. The design sure looks different and unique, but I'm no kayak expert to judge how well it will work on a trip like that.

Kayaker launch
 
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03/30/2017 09:06AM  
I was unable to find the article on Traci's two rescues. Saw the video of the second. Where her rescues because she was trapped by the ice?

It looks like both groups started/will start on Lake Huron and go clockwise around the 5 lakes. There must be some reasoning behind that...timing of ice melt, anticipated conditions on each lake during anticipated time thereon, etc. Obviously there is a lot a planning that must go into expeditions of this sort and quite a bit of back office support. Good luck to all.
 
03/30/2017 09:40AM  
quote JimmyJustice: "I was unable to find the article on Traci's two rescues. Saw the video of the second. Where her rescues because she was trapped by the ice?"

JJ-
First rescue sounded necessary. From what I read, she was attempting a big open water crossing and her navigation equipment failed. She aborted crossing and had difficulty trying to retreat and get to shore due to ice blocking her way. Sheriff department recued and claims she wouldn't have made it without their help. Second rescue was miscommunication (again sounds like maybe equipment related) between her and her shore support crew. So the second rescue was a waste of everyone's time, same sheriff's department.

 
03/31/2017 01:17PM  
I found this article about the rescues- I had it wrong. The first rescue was the miscommunication, the second was the serious one.

traci lynn article

I deleted what I wanted to say about this, bite my tongue, bite my tongue,...

Lessons learned I hope.
 
03/31/2017 07:28PM  
quote BeaV: "I found this article about the rescues- I had it wrong. The first rescue was the miscommunication, the second was the serious one.


traci lynn article


I deleted what I wanted to say about this, bite my tongue, bite my tongue,...


Lessons learned I hope. "


OK - so don't bite your tongue... say what you think.

After reading that article anyway, I'm thinking that the equipment might not have been tested enough (article says tracker and navigator interfered with each other) AND possibly she doesn't have sufficient navigation skills without her electronics? If she's primarily a racer, she wouldn't need such skills, but they'd play a big part in survival on a trip like this.

Tricky time of year for anyone, no doubt about that. With the previous stories, I had not heard of her doing any kayak trips with camping, etc. Maybe she has? If not, this is a brutal way to learn... but could still work! Hoping for the best!
 
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03/31/2017 08:30PM  
All these self-righteous people who are so incensed that a mother would do this should go suck an egg.
 
03/31/2017 08:52PM  
quote gymcoachdon: "
quote missmolly: "I drove through Chicago today. "



On purpose?"


I live in the Chicago area, and that is why I have a Kevlar canoe . . . Bulletproof!

Just kidding, although I NEVER go to Chicago. Hate it. Don't even like going to the Loop on the Union Pacific commuter train. Forget about trying to park for an event in the Loop. Probably $30-$40 a day. Redcams are everywhere. Plus, unless you drive downtown on the 290, you have to pay tolls from the NW suburbs - both ways.

I am so tired of watching the Chicago news on TV and having at least half of it being shootings/murders in Chicago. Nothing against guns in Illinois - It is the people that use them daily on the streets that are the problem. Mostly gangs, it seems from what I see on TV. The TV news from Chicago is mostly about the victims of crime, and most of that is in Chicago or in Cook County. 7 people murdered just yesterday on the South Side of Chicago within a 1 mile radius. One was a pregnant woman who took a bullet to the head.

Tomster

 
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04/03/2017 06:42AM  
quote BeaV: "I found this article about the rescues- I had it wrong. The first rescue was the miscommunication, the second was the serious one.


traci lynn article


I deleted what I wanted to say about this, bite my tongue, bite my tongue,...


Lessons learned I hope. "


Thanks for the update BeaV. I have good idea what your deleted comment was. :) Hopefully she will put the next couple of weeks to good use.
 
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04/03/2017 08:39AM  
quote amhacker22: "All these self-righteous people who are so incensed that a mother would do this should go suck an egg. "


What a tool
 
04/03/2017 08:47AM  
"Lost and Cold in Fog and Ice" somewhere out in Lake Huron and....

"Her confusion was born of an incident earlier in the day, when her team noticed her progress tracker and GPS equipment were interfering with one another, Martin said. She was told to turn the GPS equipment off..."

If it were me, I would tell my team to ""go suck some egg", I'm turning the tracker off and leaving my GPS on!" (this is assuming that I don't know how to use my deck compass, as BWP mentioned)
 
04/03/2017 09:16AM  
I see the second group, Joe and Peggy, are into their 2nd day of paddling the very same coastline of Huron heading for the area that was the problem for Traci. I hope Sheriff Buford Pusser keeps his big stick in the car:) Kidding all...but picture the sheriff smashing a couple of kayaks to pieces saying "I warned ya'all bout paddling through my county."

Here's their Spot site: 2paddling5
 
JimmyJustice
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04/03/2017 11:36AM  
When you zoom in, it looks like Joe and eggy have gone a long way already. :)

As for the dilemma that Traci may have experienced (equipment interference), would that be something that would (should) have been noticeable on land or on small water while training? Or, is it something that might only show itself out on big water - long crossings?

I know we don't know all the particulars of her situation, but for those of you who have used GPS, Tracker and, deck compass, either individually or in combination, anyone have an educated guess?
 
04/03/2017 12:11PM  
quote JimmyJustice: "When you zoom in, it looks like Joe and eggy have gone a long way already. :)

As for the dilemma that Traci may have experienced (equipment interference), would that be something that would (should) have been noticeable on land or on small water while training? Or, is it something that might only show itself out on big water - long crossings?

I know we don't know all the particulars of her situation, but for those of you who have used GPS, Tracker and, deck compass, either individually or in combination, anyone have an educated guess?"

This is from the Spot Knowledge Base page: "Other devices should be at least 12 inches from SPOT to prevent distortion of GPS coordinates and interference with message transmission"

Yes, been there and seen that when I first got my Spot. Take a look at this pic of Traci's boat. The Spot is right next to the GPS. The Spot is not waterproof and is likely going to fail as soon as she gets into some waves. The deck compass is poorly fastened and is off level even under calm paddling conditions. I have the exact compass and it can get sticky if not near level. Compass needs to be firmly fastened and kept away from metal, other than that, it's fail safe. It looks like boat setup was an after thought.


 
JimmyJustice
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04/03/2017 12:54PM  
It does look like an afterthought.

I don't think the spot will do much good if she and the boat are separated. Wouldn't you want to keep the spot on your person/in your pfd?

 
04/03/2017 01:23PM  
quote JimmyJustice: "I don't think the spot will do much good if she and the boat are separated. Wouldn't you want to keep the spot on your person/in your pfd?
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Good point. Sheriff probably wants it on the boat so when it comes time to destroy it, it'd be easier to locate.

Seriously, though, I bet she has a PLB for her own safety on her person. So then the Spot not on her is not too big a deal. With the tiny size of that boat's cockpit, attaching the Spot to her PFD makes sense to keep it away from the GPS. Although, wherever the Spot is located, she has to be able see it to make sure it's sending tracking points and messages properly.
 
amhacker22
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04/05/2017 05:05AM  
quote thinblueline: "
quote amhacker22: "All these self-righteous people who are so incensed that a mother would do this should go suck an egg. "



What a tool"


Maybe I am a tool. Just a breathing slab of flesh that can occasionally be of great value. I'll take that any day.

Now, if you called me an idiot who may listen to too much talk radio and pre-emptively refers to everyone who may disagree with them as "liberals"...I would consider that an insult. There's just no utility there!
 
QueticoMike
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04/05/2017 07:59AM  
Thanks for the info. looks interesting!
 
mastertangler
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04/06/2017 12:11PM  
quote amhacker22: "All these self-righteous people who are so incensed that a mother would do this should go suck an egg. "


ah the tolerant ones........what is not truthful about a mother (or father) abdicating their paternal responsibilities? This act is just one manner of many of this type and IMO should be frowned upon because it helps lead to a demise of the civil society. Will her children not survive? I'm not saying that but all to often in our modern society people willingly take on serious responsibilities, i.e. children, and then shrug them off for their own "wants". Does that make one "self righteous" to point that out? Or does it just make one "right"?

Having said that I will not condemn her, only the action she is taking. I wish her well, hope she accomplishes her goals and is returned safely to her loving family. Who is to say wether her NOT GOING would be even more detrimental for her and her family (depression, etc.)......... Yes, even talk radio listeners can be quite tolerant and open minded.


 
04/06/2017 01:18PM  
As of today, day 6 of their adventure, Peggy/Joe are making slow progress (none today so far). About 63 miles paddled in 6 days and looks like one short ride on the highway from their support team? Not sure what's happening, waves, fatigue, ice, or ? hindering them. Just roughing the numbers, they'll have to average close to 30 miles per day for Joe to get home to Minnesota in time for deer season. But that average per day is going to increase as more slow days accrue.
 
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