came across a video on these on FB , had more detail then the short link i added(many more detailed videos on youtube) but they look great for casting working slow-vertical jigging in cold water conditions, ordering some for my BW trip in may , what you think ? (they pair it with a mushroom jig labeling it a ned rig) ned rig

That is pretty much all we have used this spring so far.....deadly. good for numbers, not for size. Somehow my son always catches bigger ones than me. But when a fish is on the other end of the line, it is fun for kids. And zman products are nearly indestructible. Love this rig and will be ordering more for my end of may trip!!

The Ned rig.......named after Ned Halverstein of Hoboken N.J. who, in 1836, first thought of adding lead directly to a hook.

I don't see why the rig wouldn't take bigger bass.

Cute kids, looks like your bringing them up right ;-)

MT the video i watched on FB (by a bass pro) stated he thought it would just catch smaller fish too , but was surprised at how many larger bass it did catch.

Good presentation to use during cold water conditions. During warm water periods there are better options.

quote mastertangler: "The Ned rig.......named after Ned Halverstein of Hoboken N.J. who, in 1836, first thought of adding lead directly to a hook.


I don't see why the rig wouldn't take bigger bass.


Cute kids, looks like your bringing them up right ;-)


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You must be a fisherman with a story like that.

Here is an article about the real Ned......

Ned Kehde

well played QM , well played ;)

quote QueticoMike: "

quote mastertangler: "The Ned rig.......named after Ned Halverstein of Hoboken N.J. who, in 1836, first thought of adding lead directly to a hook.



I don't see why the rig wouldn't take bigger bass.



Cute kids, looks like your bringing them up right ;-)



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You must be a fisherman with a story like that.


Here is an article about the real Ned......


Ned Kehde "

Good catch QM.....(although I was actually hoping someone might play along).

I knew there was something very familiar about this rig. I had assumed he was like lots of other bass guys and fished with heavier tackle. I see Ned and I have the same mentor......Guido Hibdon. My go-to rig in clear or heavily pressured waters is somewhat similar........except I use green 4lb XT (breaking strength of 6lb) and a 4" straight tail worm with a lighter jig head. Our philosophies depart on size however........I purposely target larger bass with this and believe his rig would catch plenty of big bass as well. Hibdon made a tournament living fishing spinning, light line and small baits. Did I mention Hibdon back reels and lets go of the handle if he has a freight train on? I wonder if Ned fights fish the same way or uses a drag? Tricky......light braid and a light leader......no stretch. I should give it a go some day (light braid, light leader) > Maybe Ned fishes for smaller fish because the bigger ones break him off LOL ;-)

FWIW I never make up stories and to prove it you will never see me thrust my fish towards the camera. Now a bit of errant humor is, shall we say, another story ;-)

Another thought on the Ned rig.......If you actually fish it the way Ned does, ultra light using 6lb test, then extreme care will be required for the connection to the jig head. Those Mushroom shaped jig heads will be hard to come by in a wire light enough to securely tie 6lb Fluorocarbon to. Monofilament and fluorocarbon wants to tie to diameters which are similar. I like details (thats what makes the difference) and am curious as to what make and model jig head (maybe he makes his own?) Mr Ned uses and what knot (fluorocarbon often being fickle if everything isn't "just right").

In any event most will struggle with this application IMO. But this is right in my wheelhouse and I will offer 2 applicable solutions which can be used separately or as I usually do, together.

Back to "beating a dead horse"..........As I have oft mentioned a tie fast tool is the ultimate device to quickly tie the Gryp Knot which excels in joining a smaller diameter mono (it excels with fluorocarbon) to a thicker wire such as what one would expect with the Ned rig if you followed his advice. The other trick is to merely bridge the gap as it were and add a fas snap to the Ned Rig. These tiny clips are so small as to not impinge on the finesse aspect of the rig but the wire will now be much closer or equal to the diameter of what you are tying to. This will give you a 100% knot strength. Plus I like the idea of giving the rig a little freedom of movement.

The Tie fast and a fas snap.........two keys to being able to competently and confidently fish ultra light for even bigger fish.

BTW........Ned Kehede is actually the great, great grandson of Ned Halverstein. In the early 1900's religious persecution forced a name change and there has been a steady and long line of Neds fishing this rig with varying degrees of success ever since.

Hi Shock,

HERE is a video I made our our trip last memorial (fast forward to about 3:10) if you are interested in some POV fishing.

Used that exact rig exclusively for nice SMB. I alternated between Hula Stickz trimmed down and the actual TRD that is already trimmed down. They DO take big fish just the same and last forever:

Power pro with uni to uni or Alberto knot to a Floro leader. Gopher Tackle mushroom style jig head.

Part 5 of my English river video from last year has multiple Bass taken with the actual TRD rig as well (on my channel).

^^ excellent video thanks for sharing Simmy32 , looks like you guys did very good on them , i've always said, if your targeting smallies never pass up downed/submerged trees in the water, especially early in the season.

Liked your video Simmy. Looks like I have been out of the loop for a while.......Those Gopher jigs looks like the cats meow (old news, where have I been?)

I am extra fussy about jig heads.........live bait guys would do themselves a favor and check these heads out as well.

And they actually make jig spins. I really like using jig spins with creek chubs.

I wonder how the Ned rig and the typical "Ned style" offering would stack up against a tube?

The "goal" of the Ned rig is be as "neutral" as possible, that is, to give off no negative clues....it is my hope that discussions like this will give another 'tool' to combat the dreaded post-cold front, high barometric pressure, high fishing pressure bite. The general goal is to present a lure that is easy to capture, VERY near their ambush area, and of a general shape so that it is reminiscent of forage for that area. A simple round head jig with a 4 inch straight tail worm, a Ned rig, a round head jig rigged with a tube, a paddle tail grub on a round or mushroom head...all present in this same non-threatening, easy to capture model. THE DIFFERENCE between these lures is negligible, it is the technique that sets this category apart from the more aggressive approaches.

We are all at different levels of expertise in our fishing expertise, and I don't want to give those with little experience the idea that these new ideas are the next greatest thing. That said, I appreciate MT going over a proper rigging of the Ned rig.

It is common, even in the BWCA, to encounter post cold front, high pressure "lock-jaw" times, and with only a modicum of increased tackle, can turn these into a positive fishing day. Most of us go in with a 6.5' spinning rod in something around ML and a fast tip, using 6-8 lb test. On these difficult days, put on that 4lb spool. A small bag of neds, paddle tails, or small plastic worms on a roundhead or mushroom head jig, make sure those hooks are sharp...dedicate yourself to learning the structure of the area you are working, slow.... down....your....presentation. Learn this technique before coming into the BW... use a non-threatening color(pumpkin/pepper, watermelon/pepper, smoke/pepper).

It is the TECHNIQUE that is the key to this presentation. On days when you can't do anything wrong, try a Ned or Very non-threatening type of technique...gain confidence, learn nuances. In the catching, is education to go forward on those tough days.

I really like that video! Do you always use pink jig heads over a natural plastic?

What type of white rod tube is that? Simply PVC or something else?

Nomad

Excellent advice and insight bassnet, really good stuff.

One thing I love about Z-man products is when fished with a mushroom style jighead is that they tend to be neutral to even bouyent. I stretch the plastic out considerbly when I hook it to get even more bouyency out of it. I try to mimic a crayfish pattern... so on the pause after a flutter swim, the plastic is dancing in the current and sits almost perpendicular to the bottom. This is usually when i get bit. As with most finesse presentations, the slack line 'what is my bait doing?' scenario can be un-nerving or tricky, but as bassnet suggests learning the technique is half the battle.

Nomad - glad you liked it! I use several different colors, I prefer pink, red, chart, and also blue when paired with natural plastic. Check out Gopher tackle, they are a small MN based outfit and have great stuff as MT mentions.

That tube is solid corrugated drainage pipe from HD, the caps have foam in them. WAY lighter than PVC, fits 5 or 6 rods and was like 10 bucks :) My tripping partners alway give me grief about it, but I like to bring 1 piece rods and it stays out of the way under the thwarts and secure with BDBs.

Simmy

Just oooked up Gopher Tackle.... I like that they put big strong hooks on their jigheads, even the light ones!! Think big- catch big!!

Last year we were catching walleye on this with no bait--just the rig.

I see Z Man has come out with a larger version of it this year.

I'm totally in on these--love the presentation that pops up off the bottom.

That Ned Rig in the larger size in the PB&J color destroyed the smallmouths when I was there. I was fishing mud flats where they were gorging on Crayfish. They wanted nothing to do with a minnow type bait. Love that thing.

Just picked up some z man mushroom heads and pumpkin / orange senko type baits while in Buffalo at Cabelas. Hope to give them a whirl tomorrow at Presque Isle (Pennsylvania) on Lake Erie.

I have also bit the bullet and spooled up with 8lb Invisx fluorocarbon due to the recomendations of another poster talking on a line thread.

Stuff is sort of pricey going at $26 for a 200yd spool. Last week we trolled Lake Erie in Michigan for walleye and the InvisX caught our only 3 keepers (super tough day). The bass at Presque isle will tell the tale if the stuff is any good. I'm cautiously optimistic.

On clear water lakes for smallmouth and walleyes the Ned rig and marabou jig are the best baits. I won't use many other baits until July. Do not tip with live bait. I tell my fishing buddies I'll switch baits when they out fish me once. That was years ago.

Just got off of Basswood and fished that rig a whole lot. I have never used a ned rig before and wanted to try it. It absolutely hammered the smallies!! Just cast it in the shallows especially around gravel and just reel it in and shake your hand to let the rig dance above the rock. It is absolutely stupid how this thing hammers the fish but it does!! The Z man stuff is the real deal. I caught no telling how many fish with the same bait for a week. I had to use some super glue on the head to keep it attached but that was it. It will twist a bit but you just keep untwisting the bait. Throw it and have fun!