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04/29/2017 03:36PM
BAAHHHH!!!!
heading north this next weekend for a 10 day trip and discovered my sleeping pad is NOT the insulated kind. supposedly the temps are supposed to be lower than normal plus the first 1/2 of the trip cold, rainy, chance of snow/freezing rain. been researching where/how to get one quickly.
options: use my exped7 in conjunction with a foam pad such as a packlite. this is the cheapest option but doesn't save any space.
bite the bullet and pick up a Thermarest neoair Xtherm (and probably get a second job to pay for it!)
i used a Klymit pad last October and it was not warm enough so i sold that and apparently forgot to replace it!
suggestions???
and, now thinking i need to upgrade my knee high rubber boots to something insulated!
heading north this next weekend for a 10 day trip and discovered my sleeping pad is NOT the insulated kind. supposedly the temps are supposed to be lower than normal plus the first 1/2 of the trip cold, rainy, chance of snow/freezing rain. been researching where/how to get one quickly.
options: use my exped7 in conjunction with a foam pad such as a packlite. this is the cheapest option but doesn't save any space.
bite the bullet and pick up a Thermarest neoair Xtherm (and probably get a second job to pay for it!)
i used a Klymit pad last October and it was not warm enough so i sold that and apparently forgot to replace it!
suggestions???
and, now thinking i need to upgrade my knee high rubber boots to something insulated!
04/29/2017 04:06PM
option 1--- might be bulky but early/late season you're likely going to thank yourself--
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04/29/2017 04:28PM
Are you sure the Exped 7 is not insulated. The uninsulated air pads I'm familiar with are AirMat 5 versions, blue in color.
1/4th inch closed cell mats (yoga mats), can be cut to reduce size (when I used them I cut them to 20x48 inches and rounded the corners), roll small, are inexpensive, and insulate well, used on top of an uninsulated mattress.
Stay warm!
butthead
1/4th inch closed cell mats (yoga mats), can be cut to reduce size (when I used them I cut them to 20x48 inches and rounded the corners), roll small, are inexpensive, and insulate well, used on top of an uninsulated mattress.
Stay warm!
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
04/29/2017 04:34PM
I think you may need the Exped Downmat UL7 .
I have a standard width/length one that still has the wrapping on it if you are interested; I'll never use it now that I'm hanging. I think I paid about $135.00 for it and would part with it for the same. I'm in the Twin Cities so PM me if you like.......
I have a standard width/length one that still has the wrapping on it if you are interested; I'll never use it now that I'm hanging. I think I paid about $135.00 for it and would part with it for the same. I'm in the Twin Cities so PM me if you like.......
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04/29/2017 06:03PM
quote unshavenman: "I think you may need the Exped Downmat UL7 .
I have a standard width/length one that still has the wrapping on it if you are interested; I'll never use it now that I'm hanging. I think I paid about $135.00 for it and would part with it for the same. I'm in the Twin Cities so PM me if you like......."
i have a big agnes sleeping bag with the sleeve on the underside that the pad slides into. the bag is slightly tapered, not a true mummy. it's about 5 inches narrower than your pad. i'll pm you.
04/29/2017 06:36PM
I have an exped down mat with the integrated hand pump that you can borrow if you'd like. I've used it on one BW trip. I could ship it out Monday if you'd like to use it, then ship it back when you're finished. Let me know if you're interested in that option and I'll get your address.
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04/30/2017 07:59AM
Another option is to see about renting a pad or borrowing a warmer pad from someone or an outfitter. You can use two pads together. Lots of people use closed cell foam pads under another pad in colder temps. I don't suggest the yoga pads though as they have less r value then a CCF pad and weigh more then one.
"Rivers know this: there is no hurry. We shall get there someday.” ~A.A. Milne
04/30/2017 08:27AM
If you use your air mattress with a ccf pad or another pad make sure you sleep with the air mattress on the bottom and not the top. Most people don't realize that's actually the warmer way to do it. The warmer pad should always be closest to your body.
"Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit."
04/30/2017 10:17AM
"bite the bullet and pick up a Thermarest neoair Xtherm (and probably get a second job to pay for it!)"
I understand why you are considering this pad - I did as well. Instead, I decided on the X-Lite because I knew that it would mostly get used for 3 seasons, which it should cover easily enough. My bet is that the Xtherm would be too warm for most of the 3 warmer seasons so it would have sat on the shelf for most of the year. One thing that I really like about either one is that I could buy a larger one without being concerned about the weight/bulk gain. I will be using it this spring on the pct so I will report back. I already made a mattress cover from a bag liner because I plan to use my down top quilt with it. The Xlite rolls up with the mat cover on it and still fits in the supplied stuff sack.
Anyway, since the Xlite is cheaper, that may be your best alternative.
I understand why you are considering this pad - I did as well. Instead, I decided on the X-Lite because I knew that it would mostly get used for 3 seasons, which it should cover easily enough. My bet is that the Xtherm would be too warm for most of the 3 warmer seasons so it would have sat on the shelf for most of the year. One thing that I really like about either one is that I could buy a larger one without being concerned about the weight/bulk gain. I will be using it this spring on the pct so I will report back. I already made a mattress cover from a bag liner because I plan to use my down top quilt with it. The Xlite rolls up with the mat cover on it and still fits in the supplied stuff sack.
Anyway, since the Xlite is cheaper, that may be your best alternative.
“The more you know, the less you carry” Mors Kochanski
04/30/2017 12:27PM
In this situation. ( I.e. Wanting more warmth not padding) and in a hurry. I would consider just buying a 15 degree bag liner and wear a wool cap to bed and get by with my existing pad/bag combo. Last year we bit the bullet and bought Nemo Vectors 25L after careful consideration of any and all options. You should be able to buy a sea to summit bag liner numerous places reasonably. Nothing kills a trip more than not being able to sleep because your cold. Been there done that.
04/30/2017 12:46PM
"I don't suggest the yoga pads though as they have less r value then a CCF pad and weigh more then one."
The yoga and exercise mats I used in the past were closed cell foam and indistinguishable from Thermarest Blue Regular pads. Just easier to find at local stores. Other big bonus was the choices of thickness and size coupled with cost, I did not mind cutting them to desired size for packing. Specifically used with Big Agnes system bag and air pad to use below freezing. 1/4inch or 5mm thick made it easy to add on top of the mattress, inside the sleeve.
butthead
The yoga and exercise mats I used in the past were closed cell foam and indistinguishable from Thermarest Blue Regular pads. Just easier to find at local stores. Other big bonus was the choices of thickness and size coupled with cost, I did not mind cutting them to desired size for packing. Specifically used with Big Agnes system bag and air pad to use below freezing. 1/4inch or 5mm thick made it easy to add on top of the mattress, inside the sleeve.
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
04/30/2017 05:44PM
Rubber boots will be fine. Amy and Dave used them well into snow/ice season. Double up on wool socks.
"Everybody needs beauty as well as bread; places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul" -John Muir
04/30/2017 10:58PM
cheap options: space blanket below and sleeping bag liner within plus appropriate sleepwear. Also consider a fleece blanket cut to size on top of the space blanket.
If money is no object, an insulated Nemo Cosmo with the memory foam topper is hard to beat.
If money is no object, an insulated Nemo Cosmo with the memory foam topper is hard to beat.
05/01/2017 07:03PM
well, i DO have the exped7! i inflated it after reading the responses that it is an insulated mat. it may still be but i discovered one of the chambers is lopsided. stuffed it in the sleeve of my sleeping bag to see if it would "really" bother be for 10 nights and the answer was yes.
there were some great other options listed here but i decided to get the new pad. as it turns out i got some other stuff too since i had LOTS of amazonprime reward points!
giddyup; thanks for your offer, very generous.
there were some great other options listed here but i decided to get the new pad. as it turns out i got some other stuff too since i had LOTS of amazonprime reward points!
giddyup; thanks for your offer, very generous.
05/02/2017 06:02PM
quote Mocha: "well, i DO have the exped7! i inflated it after reading the responses that it is an insulated mat. it may still be but i discovered one of the chambers is lopsided. stuffed it in the sleeve of my sleeping bag to see if it would "really" bother be for 10 nights and the answer was yes.
there were some great other options listed here but i decided to get the new pad. as it turns out i got some other stuff too since i had LOTS of amazonprime reward points!
giddyup; thanks for your offer, very generous."
Glad to hear you ordered a new pad. The Exped Synmat 3-D 7, which I think was new on the market last year (?) is a great mattress, a step up from the previous Synmat 7. The difference is that it has boxed sides, which makes a noticeable difference in comfort. The square sides feel like you have a bit more usable space and you don't roll off the edge at all.
If you have a burst chamber you should contact Exped. They have excellent customer service and will probably offer you a solution.
05/04/2017 05:59AM
quote Mocha: "well, i DO have the exped7! i inflated it after reading the responses that it is an insulated mat. it may still be but i discovered one of the chambers is lopsided. stuffed it in the sleeve of my sleeping bag to see if it would "really" bother be for 10 nights and the answer was yes.
there were some great other options listed here but i decided to get the new pad. as it turns out i got some other stuff too since i had LOTS of amazonprime reward points!
giddyup; thanks for your offer, very generous."
Sheryl, if your exped failed. Call them, they are really good about replacing their products. You'll get a brand new one, no questions asked. I've done that twice in the past.
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