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SkiYee
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05/02/2017 09:06AM  
So I'm looking at buying a small, portable sonar unit for canoe fishing in the BWCA. I've read a lot of posts about the placing the transducer in the bottom of the canoe with a little water and it'll work like a champ...sounds cool! I've found a good sale price on a small unit that has down imaging, so here's the question - will the down imaging feature work if trying to go through the canoe's hull (let's assume kevlar)? The unit I'm looking at is the Garmin echo 151DV.
 
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mastertangler
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05/02/2017 10:20AM  
Down imaging? A few thoughts........have you considered your unit might be an energy pig? Not so big a deal if you base camp but if you like to travel your unit may go through batteries like nobodys business.

Originally I had a cheap fish eagle ($100) and it worked fine and dandy and was great on batteries. But then I decided to "upgrade" with a more sophisticated depth finder and it chews up the juice. Be wise........I love my Lowrance with the DSI imaging but it required a serious battery pack and along with a few other goodies meant an extra portage (tripling is my new "normal"). A better unit may not be to your advantage especially since all you really need is depth and a general understanding of wether the bottom is smooth or rocky / bouldery.

BTW.......I seat my transducer in a dollop of pure silicone and shoot thru my hull........no water required. Just glop out a hardball sized ball of goo and press your transducer in and gently wiggle until it seats on the bottom of your canoe. The overflow I pushed over the top of the transducer thus encasing it in silicone. Avoid skid plates as that will be more material it will have to punch through. I used to have a suction cup mount but it was always coming off thus violating the MT creed and tripping philosophy of "No Hassles".
 
SkiYee
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05/02/2017 10:39AM  
I thought about the power consumption possibility, but it is grey scale and not color, so I'm hoping that offsets the power usage somewhat. Probably not 1 to 1 but being black and white should help.
 
trailcheif
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05/02/2017 11:15AM  
I just bought this unit. I just metered it. Read this thread.
http://bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=forum.thread&threadId=1011199&forumID=14&confID=1

I have yet to get out on the water with it. I was going to try shooting through the hull first. I should get out this weekend. The Crappie are calling me! I'll let you know how it works.
 
SkiYee
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05/02/2017 12:29PM  
Trailcheif...that is the exact unit that I'm looking at buying. Any chance you could post a picture or two of your power setup? Thanks!
 
trailcheif
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05/02/2017 03:46PM  
Sure , I just got home and my batteries and holders just arrived. I still need to get them in a dry case. But I have two of these. And it should be enough to run the unit for 68 hours. With the Garmin set to draw as little as possible.
 
mastertangler
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05/03/2017 09:38AM  
Hey Trail chief if you are weight conscious like me the Ram connector between the mount and the depth finder is available in a plastic / nylon composite and is quite a bit lighter than the metal version.

It is available at "The Mount Guys.com"
 
retired55
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05/03/2017 11:12PM  
Hey trailcheif, what is the model of that Garmin you picked up. I have been looking to pick something up and the time is getting really close, thanks. Terry.
 
retired55
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05/03/2017 11:31PM  
Hey trailcheif, never mind,just read your other post, found out it is a garmin 151dv from cab. on sale. I ordered one also, thanks. Terry
 
trailcheif
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05/04/2017 05:09AM  
Master,

I did not know there was a lighter version. I might just have to stick with this one. My trip date is nearing. I'm a fairly strong guy so I'll just look at it like a little more of a free workout. Wanted to say thanks for all your informative posts. I have been gathering up a lot of your fishing knowledge lately. It seems some people get annoyed by your posts or tone. But I appreciate your passion, and feel I have learned quite a bit in a short time from your info. I threw my Ram rod holder on my canoe so I could get the appropriate trolling angle. I'm excited to get out and give it a go. I had a few questions about how you mount your ducer. Do you have a Kevlar canoe? And if so does the glob of silicone just
peel off when yo want? Or would it leave a mess? I'm thinking of going with duct seal, if it would be easier to remove. I want the ability to switch back and forth between my Kayak and Canoe.
 
mastertangler
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05/04/2017 06:14AM  
Hey thanks for getting my back Trailchief..........but I do acknowledge I can be a bit "wordy" at times and I suppose in this day of "snippet" info that can easily become tiresome, particularly on a format such as a forum. Personally I want to know why people advocate for their point of skew and that usually means explanations but I digress.

I have a Carbon Fiber boat and it was Old Salt who turned me on to the whole silicone concept. It is not easily removable however which in my case is actually a good thing. It is more or less mounted permanently including the cable tucked nicely under the gunnel. I had to acquire another transducer to mount in my other vessel.

About the only way to remove silicone is with a very sharp thin flexible knife or a razor type blade and even then there will likely be some residue left. With a bit of persistence it would likely be fairly minuscule however. I used DAP 100% silicone in clear.
 
05/04/2017 06:43AM  
quote trailcheif: "Sure , I just got home and my batteries and holders just arrived. I still need to get them in a dry case. But I have two of these. And it should be enough to run the unit for 68 hours. With the Garmin set to draw as little as possible. "


Nice looking set up. Let us know how the down imaging works for ya after some time in canoe country.

T
 
BAKA
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05/05/2017 11:00AM  
I bought the vexilar sonarphone t-pod. https://www.amazon.com/Vexilar-SP100-SonarPhone-Transducer-Pod/dp/B00CJJBM66

Trying it out end of May and can update.

I have a mini solar module to charge it as well as my phone.

Assuming that I'll get what I paid for... but the weight, ease, cost was worth trying it.
 
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