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MagicPaddler
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12/30/2017 09:38AM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
A long long time ago there were several posts on one of the boards about OLD people. I don’t remember which board. One of the posters commented about seeing an old man setting at a campsite on Kawnipi under a shade tree. The poster said how lucky the old man was to be on Kawnipi at his age. Then went on to say he hoped he could experience what the old man was experiencing some day. Now comes my experience. Year before last I did a trip starting off up Baptism and through to Cache Lake. Day 3 I went down the Cache River and getting into camp late in the day on Kawnipi. The next day I was tired but wanted to explorer a creek that ran into Kawnipi. In the morning I paddled over to the creek but was too tired to go further. I turned around and went back to camp. I got my stool out and went down near the water and sat under a shade tree. I was somewhat discussed with myself for being here and not able to do what I came to do and knowing if I was going to finish my rout I needed to move on tomorrow. I had been setting under the tree for a couple of hours just drinking lots of water when 2 tandem canoes came by. They waved and I waved back. About that time the post about the old man on Kawnipi played back in my head.
 
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missmolly
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12/30/2017 09:50AM  
MagicPaddler: "A long long time ago there were several posts on one of the boards about OLD people. I don’t remember which board. One of the posters commented about seeing an old man setting at a campsite on Kawnipi under a shade tree. The poster said how lucky the old man was to be on Kawnipi at his age. Then went on to say he hoped he could experience what the old man was experiencing some day. Now comes my experience. Year before last I did a trip starting off up Baptism and through to Cache Lake. Day 3 I went down the Cache River and getting into camp late in the day on Kawnipi. The next day I was tired but wanted to explorer a creek that ran into Kawnipi. In the morning I paddled over to the creek but was too tired to go further. I turned around and went back to camp. I got my stool out and went down near the water and sat under a shade tree. I was somewhat discussed with myself for being here and not able to do what I came to do and knowing if I was going to finish my rout I needed to move on tomorrow. I had been setting under the tree for a couple of hours just drinking lots of water when 2 tandem canoes came by. They waved and I waved back. About that time the post about the old man on Kawnipi played back in my head. "


I love your story. Thanks for telling it.
 
12/30/2017 11:00AM  
I cannot pee, I cannot see.
I cannot stoop, I cannot poop.
All I have is aches, give me a break.
The Golden Years have come at last.
The Golden Years can kiss my a**.
 
12/30/2017 11:37AM  
I'm feeling my age too compared to how I would trip in my 20's 30's and 40's. I think it's best to just keep the right mindset and stay as strong as possible during the off season.

I've found that I love to listen to podcasts or audio books while I go on hikes or work out. Many people I talk to don't know about all the fantastic podcasts available either for entertainment or learning. I use Itunes then download on an ipod. I don't want to drain my phones battery so have a dedicated ipod for music and podcasts.

There's not much we can do to stop the clock on our bodies but we certainly have control of what we think about. It's a great time of year to set some goals and stick to it. I find that having a canoe trip planned in the future is great motivation for me to strap on a small daypack with weights in it and take a good hike with my dog.

Magic, Here's a podcast for ya that you can also watch on you tube. Do you like stories of medal of honor recipients from vietnam? This is simply awesome.

Jocko Podcast with Mike Thornton

Sorry for the long diversion but the coffee is strong this morning. :)
 
wetcanoedog
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12/30/2017 12:34PM  
i'll be 72 next spring and on the last three trips I fell back from pushing on to lakes farther back.my main worry was getting so burned out that the paddle back would be way to hard .two years ago I lost control in a heavy wind for the first time and had to let the canoe blow sideways to shore.it was on a small lake but out on La Croix it could have been a major problem.i plan a early spring trip to one of the easy drive in lakes where i'll be close to parking lot and can base camp and find out if I can get around in the canoe safely.
 
MagicPaddler
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12/30/2017 12:55PM  
TomT: "


Magic, Here's a podcast for ya that you can also watch on you tube. Do you like stories of medal of honor recipients from vietnam? This is simply awesome.


Jocko Podcast with Mike Thornton


"

I was nervous just listening. Great podcast
 
GraniteCliffs
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12/30/2017 01:58PM  
MP, it may have been a post of mine recalling paddling by an old couple. I know it was the Q, might have been Kawnipi, or around Sark. In any event I remember the old guy talked about how lucky he was to be there. He said they took numerous trips across every portage, hauling 25 pound packs one at a time followed by the two of them carrying the canoe. I have always admired his spirit and can do attitude. That interaction was likely 40 years ago.
It warms my heart to think of that guy.
And then my heart freezes up when I realize I AM NOW THAT GUY!
 
MagicPaddler
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12/30/2017 02:15PM  
GraniteCliffs: "
And then my heart freezes up when I realize I AM NOW THAT GUY!"

You got my point!
 
12/30/2017 04:47PM  
I admire most those guys and gals that are still out there doing it in their 60s and 70s, even as it hurts, even as it's slowed. It's inspiring to hear about tripping past 70, truly.

There have been some recent threads about looking back on career choices and financial decisions. Any of you more "seasoned" types have thoughts on how your approach to health/fitness or lack thereof earlier in life may have factored in to where you are now physically?

TomT, I like your thoughts on the mental and future planning as motivation.
 
12/30/2017 06:09PM  
fadersup: "I admire most those guys and gals that are still out there doing it in their 60s and 70s, even as it hurts, even as it's slowed. It's inspiring to hear about tripping past 70, truly.


There have been some recent threads about looking back on career choices and financial decisions. Any of you more "seasoned" types have thoughts on how your approach to health/fitness or lack thereof earlier in life may have factored in to where you are now physically?


TomT, I like your thoughts on the mental and future planning as motivation."


At age 68+ being very active doing long bike rides,working out at the YMCA on weights and aerobic machines makes a huge difference. Been doing this for 45 years. Never to late to start,but starting early helps maintain joints and muscle breakdown in future years.
As you age like after 55 it is more about maintaining than losing.
I do specific exercises to keep my legs strong for going on those long rough portages.
My biggest problem maybe after a certain amount of hard exercise is maybe the recovery rate and energy a couple days later. Also you have to be somewhat lucky in life a accident or genetics may slow you down. As you age old injuries may come rearing back to haunt you.
The main thing is just don't stop your exercise program,otherwise age will catch you before you want it to.
I really think the new old for outdoor activities is getting closer to 80 all the time.
Also slow down and smell the fresh air and observe life around you-it is amazing.
 
GraniteCliffs
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12/30/2017 08:36PM  

I spent 45 years running distance. The past 20 years I slowly incorporated other exercises into my routine. The past 10 years I have been religious about doing cardio and weight lifting on alternate days. The past 5 years I have gone to 3 days cardio (mostly stair climbing for an hour or rowing for an hour), 3 days of lifting and 2 days of yoga. Yep, not enough days of the week so have to go back to the gym on Tuesdays. I have found the yoga to be very beneficial.
One of the many, many joys of being retired is the ability to exercise a lot but still get a fair amount of sleep and rest.
The innate drive to seek joy and have fun no matter what is what drives many of us as we age. This single characteristic is likely the most important factor in aging well in all respects.
Canoeing is still magical to me. I still get excited to go on each and every trip every year. What a blessing.
 
missmolly
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12/30/2017 09:08PM  
Well done, Pinetree and GC! I admire discipline, pluck, and grit and the two of you have all three.
 
12/30/2017 09:45PM  
You are all great inspiration to me...especially as I realize I am not very far behind.

T
 
mjmkjun
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12/31/2017 04:10AM  
Pinetree wrote: "I really think the new old for outdoor activities is getting closer to 80 all the time."
What you talking about Pinetree? A walk around the block and a nice rocker on the front porch seems plenty enough leisure time activity. That and jawing about the good ole days. Honestly, I can't imagine picking up a canoe over my head at 80. I truly admire anyone who would do so without injury. I guess this is where grandkids might come in handy? I wonder how many young folks escort an octogenarian grandparent on a wilderness outing. hmm.
 
12/31/2017 05:08AM  
mjmkjun: "Pinetree wrote: "I really think the new old for outdoor activities is getting closer to 80 all the time."
What you talking about Pinetree? A walk around the block and a nice rocker on the front porch seems plenty enough leisure time activity. That and jawing about the good ole days. Honestly, I can't imagine picking up a canoe over my head at 80. I truly admire anyone who would do so without injury. I guess this is where grandkids might come in handy? I wonder how many young folks escort an octogenarian grandparent on a wilderness outing. hmm. "


I will bet anyone $100 that MagicPaddler is still tripping and portaging at 80. When it's in your blood you find ways to make it happen.

 
12/31/2017 05:50AM  
MagicPaddler: "A long long time ago there were several posts on one of the boards about OLD people. I don’t remember which board. One of the posters commented about seeing an old man setting at a campsite on Kawnipi under a shade tree. The poster said how lucky the old man was to be on Kawnipi at his age. Then went on to say he hoped he could experience what the old man was experiencing some day. Now comes my experience. Year before last I did a trip starting off up Baptism and through to Cache Lake. Day 3 I went down the Cache River and getting into camp late in the day on Kawnipi. The next day I was tired but wanted to explorer a creek that ran into Kawnipi. In the morning I paddled over to the creek but was too tired to go further. I turned around and went back to camp. I got my stool out and went down near the water and sat under a shade tree. I was somewhat discussed with myself for being here and not able to do what I came to do and knowing if I was going to finish my rout I needed to move on tomorrow. I had been setting under the tree for a couple of hours just drinking lots of water when 2 tandem canoes came by. They waved and I waved back. About that time the post about the old man on Kawnipi played back in my head. "


I looked up your birthday and I hope to be still going up when I'm your age, 118 wow!
 
yellowcanoe
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12/31/2017 07:29AM  
We did the Bowron Lakes Circuit last year. There are several long portages. All cartable but most full of potholes. Big holes making extracting the cart from the hole tiring.
I had had a knee replaced nine months earlier and had torn a hamstring four months earlier in the other leg. So hardly in shape.

We have to carry all gear in excess of 60 lbs. I was chagrined to find out for ten days we had 100 lbs!!! I cursed myself for bringing a York Box.. the thing empty weighs ten lbs. So I got to carry 40 lbs.. The two first portages are long and all uphill. I was pleased to find that at a snails pace I could cope with the load pretty well.
I think pacing helps. No way would I try to do 9000 m portaging like I used to do in a day.
Magic Paddler IIRC has that helium filled RapidFire.. Yes the day of the 80 lb canoe is done... 40 is much nicer.
 
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12/31/2017 08:05AM  
A couple of seasons ago, as I and my traveling companion were finishing a run UP the Darkwater River between Minn Lake and Darkwater Lake ... Quetico, we encountered a group of dads and sons at the Darkwater Lake end of the last portage. As we dropped our first load (we each had a solo canoe), we engaged in some casual conversation about our collective experiences on our respective trips. When they discovered that we were both over 70, they seemed a bit impressed by what we were still doing the kind of trip we were currently on. I didn't really realize how much impact our respective ages had on the group until we turned to go back for our second load of gear. Not quite out of ear shot, I heard one of the dads say to the other, "I want to be these guys when I get to be their age." My steps seemed a bit lighter as I continued my walk on down the portage.

My partner and I tripped again last season, and didn't really give any thought about doing the Kett portages between Robinson Lake and Basswood Lake (again Quetico), except we chose to do them on the way out as our packs would be lighter. It did complicate matters a bit when we wound up having to do them in pouring rain. I'd even given consideration to shuttle portaging my gear across the longer of the two, but ultimately that wasn't necessary.

Regrettably, this looks to be the last time I'll be tripping with my long-time backwoods companion. Over the past couple of years, he had mentioned that his hands were becoming numb after long paddling stretches. This past year, they had continued to remain numb for over 6 months. So, on the advice of his doctor, he had to make the decision to not risk the numbness becoming permanent and discontinue canoe tripping.

The short message here is that you never know what might require you to discontinue making those canoe trips, so you'd better take advantage of the time you have to stay as fit as possible and continue to do those trips!

Myself, I'm still planning on tripping! And this year, it appears that I will be re-joining an "old" friend for a trip ... MagicPaddler! Although we've done a rendezvous in Quetico before, this will be the first time we've actually done a complete trip together (but we've traveled together on trips further north in Ontario).
 
DrBobDerrig
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12/31/2017 08:33AM  
dentondoc: "A couple of seasons ago, as I and my traveling companion were finishing a run UP the Darkwater River between Minn Lake and Darkwater Lake ... Quetico, we encountered a group of dads and sons at the Darkwater Lake end of the last portage. As we dropped our first load (we each had a solo canoe), we engaged in some casual conversation about our collective experiences on our respective trips. When they discovered that we were both over 70, they seemed a bit impressed by what we were still doing the kind of trip we were currently on. I didn't really realize how much impact our respective ages had on the group until we turned to go back for our second load of gear. Not quite out of ear shot, I heard one of the dads say to the other, "I want to be these guys when I get to be their age." My steps seemed a bit lighter as I continued my walk on down the portage.


My partner and I tripped again last season, and didn't really give any thought about doing the Kett portages between Robinson Lake and Basswood Lake (again Quetico), except we chose to do them on the way out as our packs would be lighter. It did complicate matters a bit when we wound up having to do them in pouring rain. I'd even given consideration to shuttle portaging my gear across the longer of the two, but ultimately that wasn't necessary.


Regrettably, this looks to be the last time I'll be tripping with my long-time backwoods companion. Over the past couple of years, he had mentioned that his hands were becoming numb after long paddling stretches. This past year, they had continued to remain numb for over 6 months. So, on the advice of his doctor, he had to make the decision to not risk the numbness becoming permanent and discontinue canoe tripping.


The short message here is that you never know what might require you to discontinue making those canoe trips, so you'd better take advantage of the time you have to stay as fit as possible and continue to do those trips!


Myself, I'm still planning on tripping! And this year, it appears that I will be re-joining an "old" friend for a trip ... MagicPaddler! Although we've done a rendezvous in Quetico before, this will be the first time we've actually done a complete trip together (but we've traveled together on trips further north in Ontario)."


Guess I would see some more opinions on why his hands are becoming numb..... wil be 68 next July....gotta see if I can outlive my dad...

dr bob
 
12/31/2017 09:40AM  
YellowCanoe-Yes the change to the Kevlar and a light weigth canoe has added years of canoeing to many people.
 
Grandma L
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12/31/2017 01:23PM  
DrBobDerrig: "
dentondoc: "A couple of seasons ago, as I and my traveling companion were finishing a run UP the Darkwater River between Minn Lake and Darkwater Lake ... Quetico, we encountered a group of dads and sons at the Darkwater Lake end of the last portage. As we dropped our first load (we each had a solo canoe), we engaged in some casual conversation about our collective experiences on our respective trips. When they discovered that we were both over 70, they seemed a bit impressed by what we were still doing the kind of trip we were currently on. I didn't really realize how much impact our respective ages had on the group until we turned to go back for our second load of gear. Not quite out of ear shot, I heard one of the dads say to the other, "I want to be these guys when I get to be their age." My steps seemed a bit lighter as I continued my walk on down the portage.



My partner and I tripped again last season, and didn't really give any thought about doing the Kett portages between Robinson Lake and Basswood Lake (again Quetico), except we chose to do them on the way out as our packs would be lighter. It did complicate matters a bit when we wound up having to do them in pouring rain. I'd even given consideration to shuttle portaging my gear across the longer of the two, but ultimately that wasn't necessary.



Regrettably, this looks to be the last time I'll be tripping with my long-time backwoods companion. Over the past couple of years, he had mentioned that his hands were becoming numb after long paddling stretches. This past year, they had continued to remain numb for over 6 months. So, on the advice of his doctor, he had to make the decision to not risk the numbness becoming permanent and discontinue canoe tripping.
The short message here is that you never know what might require you to discontinue making those canoe trips, so you'd better take advantage of the time you have to stay as fit as possible and continue to do those trips!
Myself, I'm still planning on tripping! And this year, it appears that I will be re-joining an "old" friend for a trip ... MagicPaddler! Although we've done a rendezvous in Quetico before, this will be the first time we've actually done a complete trip together (but we've traveled together on trips further north in Ontario)."

Guess I would see some more opinions on why his hands are becoming numb..... wil be 68 next July....gotta see if I can outlive my dad...
dr bob"

Yup, get a second opinion. I had lots of hand trouble and numbness until I found a great "hand guy" (Tria Otho in Mpls-Dr. Husband). He did carpel tunnel release on both hands and I am great!
 
12/31/2017 01:35PM  
I'm not 70 but hope to be in a decade. Thanks for sharing stories. It's great to hear you still have the spirit of adventure and a passion to do things even if it hurts sometimes.

When I'm hiking mountain trails in places like California or Colorado young women stop and talk to me when I'm resting. These places are usually hard to get to and they don't expect to see someone my age there. They always ask me if I'm OK out of concern and commend me on "still doing it" at my age. I chuckle inside because although it's a little difficult and I move slow its not that hard. I just rest and eat a lot.

Conversations usually lead to their Fathers and Grandfathers and what adventures, activities and travels these men took in their youth. Many were surfers, mountain climbers and rascals. They talk with excitement and admiration about these guys. Then their tone changes to sadness and they tell me these men no longer do anything new, fun or exciting even though they are physically and mentally able. They plead with these guys to get up and travel and seek adventure before its too late.
I always hope they will tell them "If that little old guy with a Fargo accent can do it you can too. JUST DO IT!"

When talking to me I believe they want to find out why I'm burning bright and their Fathers and Grandfathers aren't.
 
SaganagaJoe
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12/31/2017 05:01PM  
My neighbor is 101 and she says she didn't start living until she was in her seventies. Grandpa came on a BWCA trip with me when he was 75.
 
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12/31/2017 05:50PM  
I appreciate this thread, I'm 67 now and I think about this a lot. There is an end date coming, both for canoe tripping and life itself. I didn't start soloing until I was in my 60's, and I really love it. I have to triple portage, and I watch every step (almost). But I know strength and balance will define my edges, and I want to keep going up to that edge, but not over it (think, broken hip on a 300 rod portage in the rain with mosquitoes singing the Hallelujah Chorus).

Honestly, it saddens me to think about an end to the joy. Like others have mentioned, I try to stay in shape during the year. I have run for years and I still run (damn slow!) and I shovel my own walk in the winter, push the mower in the summer. Not long ago during a run I was just getting up from the ground on the bike trail when a young guy passed me. My knees, hands, and pants were covered in crushed limestone. He stopped (God bless him!) and asked if I was ok. I was just getting up, slowly, from doing my push-ups. And people say "Sir" now when they hold a door open for me. Damn! Oh well, you gotta laugh.

Keep on truckin' folks!

Dave (ps. I triple portage because I bring boxed wine.)
 
12/31/2017 06:52PM  
I had the numb hands for about four months after overdoing it on a solo a couple years ago. Blasted tough doing buttons and finding things in a bag without dumping everything. I got some recommendations from a physical therapist and did his stretching and hand work. Things got better and have not had any serious problems since. I still get some tingle but even after a four hour paddle, chopping wood or running the chain saw; but nothing serious. Get the second opinion. Paddling is too precious to give up that easily. By the way, if I stop doing the exercises the numbness does come back when I over extend.

And to MagicPaddler, nice story and all too true.
 
01/01/2018 03:32AM  
Magicpaddler is an amazing canoe tripper... Spending a couple weeks with him in WCPP was a great... and some ways, not so great experience. His drive and experience really shined that trip. We tackled some great areas. I was not on my game and that was the last trip I'd ever maybe take like that. So for that, not so great. Keeping up with a Rapid Fire in an Encounter was difficult enough. But I would learn later I was dealing with blood clots in my lungs. I've been riddled with one thing after another since 2013 and pretty much have resigned to the effect that my real tripping days are over. If I even could get passed all the issues I have going it would be tough to get back in the shape I'd need to be. But I'm going to try! I am and may have sold the canoe I had bought and set up... My dream boat. I've paddled it some, but haven't been able to trip anything like I'd planned to. So it needed to go into the hands of someone who would use her and take care of her. Am I laying down and dieing? Heck no! If I can, I'll be back! Meanwhile it's back to hauling and meeting paddlers across the country. My right shoulder is extremely bad, but my neck is the worst. Nothing is helping! This -30 night after night and not getting above zero is effecting it big time. I've heard of people getting out of this climate for a bit and being almost pain free. So I'm thinking of trying this out. What have I got to lose. I always wanted to be "that guy". All I can say is the two favorite guys I've tripped with that fall in that category are Denton Doc and Magicpaddler! These two guys are THE guys you'd want to meet in the back country. I think they are what I wanted to be. Paddling over the age of seventy at a high level. Pinetree, someday we gotta meet! Your kind of an inspiration too. I'm going back on the road not that I'm in the greatest shape, but I can't sit still any longer and this will give me a boost in moral.
Bwca.com's biggest accomplishment is bringing us all together. Young and old alike. We all have differences that would many times keep us apart. But we're a family. I look forward to days ahead. Meeting as many of you as I can. Love you all... Keep on paddling MP... Maybe when your ninety I'll be back at it and would have a chance to keep up. Haha.







Keep on paddling magic!
 
01/01/2018 07:01AM  
Great post Ben (nctry). I sure wish you felt better. There is free camping in the Arizona desert near The town of Quartzsite. There are friendly nomads everywhere that welcome you if you want company and give you space when you don’t. Everyone would enjoy your wisdom. They gather in mid January at what’s known as the Rubber Tramp Rendezvous. Maybe a drive down there would be a good experiment to see if it works as a pain reliever.
 
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01/01/2018 08:56AM  
It saddens me to think we will not be doing more of the trips like we were on when you took that picture. That was a good trip and the rout favored my little boat. I remember the creek that I was planting a paddle on the inner bank of hairpin turns and pivoting around then while you were portaging over them. I remember laying in my hammock and hearing a moose walking in the water 30 ft from my hammock. And the next morning hearing baby moose splashing in the water but not being able to see them for the fog.
 
01/01/2018 09:05AM  
MagicPaddler: "It saddens me to think we will not be doing more of the trips like we were on when you took that picture. That was a good trip and the rout favored my little boat. I remember the creek that I was planting a paddle on the inner bank of hairpin turns and pivoting around then while you were portaging over them. I remember laying in my hammock and hearing a moose walking in the water 30 ft from my hammock. And the next morning hearing baby moose splashing in the water but not being able to see them for the fog. "


Had that experience from camp of Moose in the fog you could hear them but not see them,than the fog lifts a little and you see the calf and cow. That forme was like my first canoe trip in the BWCA. I was hooked.

Sounds like Ben and you had a great trip.
 
01/01/2018 08:46PM  
Pinetree:


Sounds like Ben and you had a great trip."




I couldn't describe it better than Lorence. It was an amazing trip as was most all my WCPP adventures. But to paddle with such a class act was priceless. Same with my Quetico trip with Denton Doc. That spring trip with Zulu and meeting Tony out there. Meeting TuscaroraBorealis and Vicki on my 40 day... That WCPP trip with Suncatcher and Boppa... Solo trips are great. But don't ever miss an opportunity to paddle with good friends. So when you meet "that guy" out there. Don't be afraid to chat a bit. You may make yourself a priceless friend.
 
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