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missmolly
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01/22/2018 07:55AM
Oz's post about the flu in a winter paddling thread has me wondering who's been waylaid.

I had to fetch a friend at the airport last Friday and I told a security guy: "I've got the flu and have never felt sicker from the flu in my life."

He said, "You're the fourth person who told me that this week."

As I sat there, I thought, "I can see why this particular flu is killing people."

Anyone else got it? What were your symptoms?
 
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hobbydog
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01/22/2018 08:52AM
Stay away from me. :-)

With people flying to Minnesota from all over the country in the next couple of weeks to attend the super bowl you can expect MN to get hit hard in February. I have risk factors so always get the shot, even if it is only partially effective.
OldFingers57
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01/22/2018 08:59AM
Realize when they are talking about the “flu” on tv and flu shots are for influenza which is a respiratory problem not vomiting and stomach problems. Most people think their stomach problems are flu. Most stomach problems this year had been due to the norovirus. So even though you may call your stomach problems the flu it is not and flu shots will not do anything for it as they are for the respiratory flu.
01/22/2018 09:35AM
I'm an RN in western WI, and I've had more patients call me to cancel home visits in the past three weeks due to influenza than I have had cancel for any reason in the past nine months combined. I saw my first confirmed cases of it (four of them) in October this season, which is pretty much unheard of. Usually it doesn't really get kicking until late November. A lot of the cases that we've been seeing have been going hand in hand with strep throat as well. As is typical, a number of them have also been turning into pneumonia. Wisconsin's flu status was just increased to "severe" as of last week. We're in for a long and miserable season.
ozarkpaddler
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01/22/2018 09:49AM
As hospital employees we are mandated to either take the flu vaccine or wear a mask the whole time we're at work; we all get vaccinated. Talking with our employee health nurse and our pathologist, they are seeing only about 25% effectiveness from this year's vaccine in our facility. So approximately 75% are still getting sick. And there have been numerous people hanging on to a vicious bronchitis and pneumonia. Last shift I worked, we were having to ship people to other hospitals; we are full. My wife, whom is rarely sick, is the sickest she's ever been in her life.

PLEASE, BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE! Avoid crowds if you can. Wash your hands....often and well. This is nothing to take lightly, even young, healthy people are getting very ill and dying.
inspector13
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01/22/2018 10:18AM
On Thursday Dec 27th, I woke with a mild headache and general malaise. I developed a non-productive hacking cough during the day. I couldn’t get comfortable sleeping Thursday night because of body aches and muscle pain. I felt like I had been beat up when I woke Friday, so I called in sick. By New Years Eve the headache and muscle pain disappeared, but I was sneezing, and coughing up phlegm. Then came a sore throat, which only lasted one day. Symptoms began to abate by Jan 4th, so I returned to work. By Sunday the 7th I felt normal again.

I’m pretty sure I got it from my mother on December 25th. She was not having any symptoms at the time. She tested positive for influenza A on Thursday the 27th, the day I started having symptoms.

She and my father received the flu shot earlier this winter. My dad was put on Tamiflu the day after my mother's diagnosis, so his symptoms were not as severe.

yogi59weedr
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01/22/2018 10:21AM
Couple weeks ago I went to the convenient care place. Was diagnosed with strep. Started antibiotics. Two days later I was coughing so bad couldn't sleep .
Went to the ER. Could barely breath. Doc said a couple spots on my lungs could be pneumonia. He wasn't sure. Said he was going to treat it aggressive like it was,but he was going to call it acute bronchitis so he could send me home instead off
to a room.
Went back to my family DR. couple days later for a follow up. Told him the ER doctor wasn't sure, but the spots worried me. He confirmed it was pneumonia...
NASTY STUFF........
I'm better now but that was just plain terrible.
...
I don't take a flu shot. Never have never will. I rarely get sick. If I do it's always that,
Starts in the nose goes to the throat down into the lungs.
yogi59weedr
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01/22/2018 10:21AM
Couple weeks ago I went to the convenient care place. Was diagnosed with strep. Started antibiotics. Two days later I was coughing so bad couldn't sleep .
Went to the ER. Could barely breath. Doc said a couple spots on my lungs could be pneumonia. He wasn't sure. Said he was going to treat it aggressive like it was,but he was going to call it acute bronchitis so he could send me home instead off
to a room.
Went back to my family DR. couple days later for a follow up. Told him the ER doctor wasn't sure, but the spots worried me. He confirmed it was pneumonia...
NASTY STUFF........
I'm better now but that was just plain terrible.
...
I don't take a flu shot. Never have never will. I rarely get sick. If I do it's always that,
Starts in the nose goes to the throat down into the lungs.
01/22/2018 11:07AM
I don't think most people today appreciate how serious a flu epidemic can be. In 1918 a flu epidemic killed 6500 soldiers in the last week of October at the army base near here.

Over 25 million died in that epidemic around the world. The death toll in the US was around 700,000.

The flu was so serious here in the US that hospitals would no longer accept patients. You were on your own to live or die.

Flu is the one disease that scares the crap out of public health officials. It can spread like wildfire and the next pandemic can occur at any time.

I'll get a flu shot every year, not only to protect me, but to protect you.
OCDave
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01/22/2018 11:11AM
yogi59weedr: "...
...
I don't take a flu shot. Never have never will. I rarely get sick....."


This is just plain...uninformed.

I am a healthcare professional. Let me inform you just a bit.

Young, vigorous and otherwise healthy people die from influenza. People who have never been sick die from influenza. People exposed to influenza by unvaccinated family members die from influenza. Even if you are willing to risk your own life, you are subjecting those around you to unnecessary risk of illness and death. Those who survive influenza lose valuable health reserves and become susceptible to other illnesses.

Overly dramatic?

Hospitalization for influenza will cost you the equivalent of 2 to 3 nice canoes in co-pays. Influenza vaccine will cost at most the equivalent of a fishing lure. You decide.
ozarkpaddler
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01/22/2018 11:19AM
awbrown: "I don't think most people today appreciate how serious a flu epidemic can be. In 1918 a flu epidemic killed 6500 soldiers in the last week of October at the army base near here.
Over 25 million died in that epidemic around the world.
The flu was so serious here in the US that hospitals would no longer accept patients. You were on your own to live or die.
Flu is the one disease that scares the crap out of public health officials. It can spread like wildfire and the next pandemic can occur at any time.
I'll get a flu shot every year, not only to protect me, but to protect you."


Couldn't put it any better than this. We hear about the flu every year and sometimes we become complacent.
missmolly
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01/22/2018 02:03PM
Thanks for the warnings from you healthcare professionals. I walked up the road yesterday, but it depleted me, so I decided against it today. Best to rest!
mjmkjun
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01/22/2018 03:03PM
I avoid airline travel during flu season but have a flight scheduled for 3/1/18.
The dreaded airport and cabin air. dang!
I did learn this: "Air circulation patterns aboard standard commercial aircraft are side-to-side — a so-called laminar pattern — with air entering the cabin from the overhead, circulating across the aircraft in a circumferential manner and exiting the cabin near the floor. Studies published in 2004 confirmed that little to no front-to-back, or longitudinal, airflow takes place. This air circulation pattern compartmentalizes the airflow into sections within the cabin, thereby limiting the spread of airborne particles throughout the passenger cabin.
It is important to continue to practice good hand hygiene, so bring an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that has at least a 50 percent alcohol content."
Goldenbadger
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01/22/2018 04:43PM
I get the flu shot every year because I have a health condition that requires it. However, I would still do it if did not have this condition. 25% effectiveness is 25% better than if you don't get it. I'm getting over a bug right now. Not the flu. Some respiratory crud. Lots of coughing and phlegm. I'll take that over the flu any day. A lot of people are coming down with it. My advice is get the shot to protect yourself and others. Stay home from work if you're sick, especially if your employer gives you sick leave. It drives me crazy when people come to work sick when they have sick days they can use.
01/22/2018 05:13PM
Oh man Katie, sorry to hear of your illness. I was going to stop by a friend's place on my way out. But best we'll do is have coffee somewhere and sit across the table. I'll bring in my sanitizer and squirt him periodically. Haha. I don't want to get out west to find I can't see my grandkids. So I'm not going to get sick! Five weeks baby... five weeks I'll be gone. Eventually in the warm southern sun!
Goldenbadger
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01/22/2018 05:21PM
nctry: "Oh man Katie, sorry to hear of your illness. I was going to stop by a friend's place on my way out. But best we'll do is have coffee somewhere and sit across the table. I'll bring in my sanitizer and squirt him periodically. Haha. I don't want to get out west to find I can't see my grandkids. So I'm not going to get sick! Five weeks baby... five weeks I'll be gone. Eventually in the warm southern sun!"

Be careful even with sitting across the table. I've heard that this particular strain is especially nasty and can be transmitted simply by breathing air that others are breathing out. Whether they're coughing or just simply breathing. The medical experts on here can correct me if need be.
RetiredDave
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01/22/2018 05:46PM
I got my flu shot a few months ago, but I'm at the tail end of the flu right now. (Some neat phlegm that Jackson Pollack would be envious of!) It didn't knock me on my butt, probably because of the shot. I went for my first run in a week this morning.

I'm a retired elementary teacher and I still sub 2 - 3 days a week. Oh man, it's a sneeze and wheeze fest this time of year. I was reading with a second grader a few weeks ago. As he haltingly read from the little book, a long drip of snot slowly extended from his nose. He kept reading so I thought, what the hell, let him read -
maybe he'll sniff it back up. But just before the drip hit the page, I handed him a tissue.

I can't get away from it!

Ah-CHOOO! (sorry..)

Dave
Savage Voyageur
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01/22/2018 06:01PM
Every time I fly I get something, our last trip 10 days ago was no exception. I was sick every day in California, then when I went back home it cleared up. Go figure.
Pinetree
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01/22/2018 07:36PM
I got the flu shot and months later had light symptons of the flu. It may be 25% effective for not getting it,but it is also can make your symptons lot less in many cases. Get the flu shot.
By you getting the flu shot maybe your loved ones like grand children may not get it from you.
mjmkjun
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01/22/2018 08:35PM
Pinetree: "I got the flu shot and months later had light symptons of the flu. It may be 25% effective for not getting it,but it is also can make your symptons lot less in many cases. Get the flu shot.
By you getting the flu shot maybe your loved ones like grand children may not get it from you. "

same here. my recovery time was only 4 to 5 days. I get the flu shot every October.
it's quite shocking to learn a bit about those that have died from this flu. A 10 yrs. old boy fell ill at baseball camp and died within a few days. A mid-40s female marathon runner dead within two weeks.
01/22/2018 08:47PM
A son-in-law is a pulmonologist who told me it is just a matter of time until an influenza strain develops which will be deadly enough to create a pandemic just as in 1918.
Pinetree
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01/22/2018 09:29PM
deerfoot: "A son-in-law is a pulmonologist who told me it is just a matter of time until an influenza strain develops which will be deadly enough to create a pandemic just as in 1918. "

I agree.
With the way people travel and being so mobile and people in all walks of life more people are crowded together all the time.
Hopefully medicine can try to stay one step ahead.
01/23/2018 06:19AM
Yeah, someone was saying oh the shot is only 25% effective. I'm like, that's 25% better than no shot. I too have issues I need to do what I can to stay ahead of things.
ozarkpaddler
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01/23/2018 09:04AM
My point about the unofficial 25% my colleagues mentioned for our facility is just that our pathologist was stating that this vaccine was not the as effective as it normally is. I would NEVER, EVER advocate against taking the flu vaccine. And for those whom are a bit older and/or have chronic health issues, you just cannot take a chance of not being immunized.

billconner
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01/23/2018 08:40PM
Third flight in three days. Hmmm.
mjmkjun
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01/24/2018 01:59AM
billconner: "Third flight in three days. Hmmm. "
If you fly frequently, Tamiflu would help as a deterrent to airborne infection. It isn't cheap and requires a prescription. I heard on the news yesterday lab test showed this years flu is airborne infectious more than flu of previous years.
Makes me 'upset' when fellow passengers start sneezing and coughing and don't bother to cover their mouths. Not just on a plane or in flu season either.
mvillasuso
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01/25/2018 08:55AM
Some people, often those with professions other than professions of the health sciences, believe they have an understanding of infectious disease that is greater than that of the vast majority of epidemiologists.
I can only guess what Dr. Spock would say about that.

mjmkjun
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01/28/2018 03:49AM
Wonder if Spock would approve............
What to do?#
(note the date of article)
OCDave
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01/28/2018 09:49AM
mjmkjun: "Wonder if Spock would approve............
What to do?#
(note the date of article)"


Natural News convieniently omits the citation for this study which allows them to convey the outcome as a sensational "Gotcha!" However, for those less accepting that influenza vaccinations are "... a “perfect” self-perpetuating medical hoax rooted in fake science and relentless media propaganda" it requires only a small amount of digging to find the primary literature.

The conclusion reach by the investigators found that PREGNANT women previously vaccinated had HIGHER BASELINE ANTIBODY TITRES and decreased antibody response at ONE MONTH post-vaccination. However, prior maternal vaccination did not significantly affect either maternal antibody levels at delivery or antibody levels transferred to the neonate.

Nowhere does this study suggest nor support the argument that influenza vaccination increases incidence of influenza. We could debate how to interpret the higher baseline titres or the meaning of the decreased response at one-month post-vaccination. The only solid conclusion is the antibody level of cord blood at time of delivery of babies born to once vaccinated mothers is statistically equivalent to those born to previously vaccinated mothers.

Be ever vigilant to bad science and bad interpretation of good science.
01/28/2018 12:39PM
I had it a few weeks ago . Took a better part of two weeks before I felt 100% .
01/28/2018 02:15PM
mjmkjun: "Wonder if Spock would approve............
What to do?#
(note the date of article)"


I'm pretty skeptical of "science" sites full of advertising.
Pinetree
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01/28/2018 06:33PM
1918 Flu and you think we have it bad

The death toll was staggering. About 50 million people died worldwide, more than half a million in the U.S. and as many as 12,000 in Minnesota. The pain of the epidemic was made worse by what seemed like an unexplainable twist. Young people died in especially large numbers.

01/28/2018 06:54PM
No flu here, and I hope it stays that way. I have had, however, a cough for a good 4 weeks. Cannot shake it.

Regarding the shot, I usually get one, but did not this year for no other reason than not getting one.
mjmkjun
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01/29/2018 06:55AM
Frenchy19: "No flu here, and I hope it stays that way. I have had, however, a cough for a good 4 weeks. Cannot shake it.
Regarding the shot, I usually get one, but did not this year for no other reason than not getting one. "

Try menthol cough drops. Available in fruity flavors, too. Opens up passages, moisturizes and coats throat with soothing agents. With home & office heating running frequently in winter it could be just dry air. Run a humidifier in the house to bring the humidity up.
01/29/2018 04:51PM
I had...... something which took me down about 3 weeks, today was my first day back at work from all of it. Never had fever, but whatever it was caused my whole world to spin any time I moved... it was a bad scene.

Thankful for good insurance & an understanding employer. There's a decent chance I'll still be able to figure out a trip this year.
bwcadan
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01/29/2018 05:56PM
No flu shots for me. I take 100% Echenasia (spelling?) No problems with flu or colds since I started using this. Not cheap, but effective for me.
bwcadan
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01/29/2018 05:56PM
No flu shots for me. I take 100% Echenasia (spelling?) No problems with flu or colds since I started using this. Not cheap, but effective for me.
 
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