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hobbydog
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02/06/2018 06:53PM
How about a red Tesla on it's way to Mars?



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02/06/2018 07:12PM
Yawn
nooneuno
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02/06/2018 07:18PM
hobbydog: "How about a red Tesla on it's way to Mars?



You can see the live stream here. "


What else he could have done with that money.........reality bites like a rabid raccoon.
Savage Voyageur
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02/06/2018 07:47PM
Are sales that bad he has to advertise in the universe?
hobbydog
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02/06/2018 07:55PM
Only in America could an immigrant from Africa make billions and do something like this. Normally they use concrete blocks to simulate a load, this shows some creativity while testing the new heavy lift rocket. With all the crap going on in the world right now what is not to cheer?
02/06/2018 08:02PM
I think the whole thing is wonderful. Gives me hope for the future. Of course I am a space junkie so I've been following the development of the heavy lift project for a long time.
old_salt
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02/06/2018 09:26PM
A green canoe is better than a red canoe.
ozarkpaddler
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02/06/2018 10:44PM
Nahhhh. What's better than a red canoe? Maybe a BLUE canoe, a GREEN canoe, a PURPLE canoe, a BLACK canoe, but aint NO vehicle better than a canoe!
bwcasolo
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02/07/2018 05:38AM
2 red canoes!
yogi59weedr
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02/07/2018 09:25AM
A yellow submarine.
mjmkjun
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02/07/2018 09:39AM
stoopid idea; stoopid video.
note: even maroon or burgundy are much superior color choices than red.
mastertangler
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02/07/2018 10:09AM
hobbydog: "Only in America could an immigrant from Africa make billions and do something like this. With all the crap going on in the world right now what is not to cheer? "

Bingo! That is exactly right. Do what you want to do is my motto..........and whatever you do, do it with all your might.
02/07/2018 10:30AM
Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships.

Neither detracting or applauding his accomplishments.

butthead
inspector13
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02/07/2018 10:54AM
butthead: "Neither detracting or applauding his accomplishments."
His grandpa is from Minnesota.

mastertangler
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02/07/2018 01:19PM
butthead: "Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships.


Neither detracting or applauding his accomplishments.


butthead "


Point taken..........but rags to riches stories are a dime a dozen in the United States and are rather an oddity by comparison in most other parts of the world.
missmolly
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02/07/2018 03:26PM
mastertangler: "butthead: "Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships.



Neither detracting or applauding his accomplishments.



butthead "



Point taken..........but rags to riches stories are a dime a dozen in the United States and are rather an oddity by comparison in most other parts of the world. "


Not true. There's less economic mobility here than in many western nations and most wealth in America is inherited.
mastertangler
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02/08/2018 06:35AM
missmolly: "mastertangler: "butthead: "Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships.



Neither detracting or applauding his accomplishments.



butthead "




Point taken..........but rags to riches stories are a dime a dozen in the United States and are rather an oddity by comparison in most other parts of the world. "



Not true. There's less economic mobility here than in many western nations and most wealth in America is inherited. "


Who told you that? Most wealth is inherited? Such utter nonsense. Less economic mobility here than other western countries? Really? If there is such wealth and prosperity in other more "enlightened" countries why does our economy dwarf those? Why is America the most prosperous place on the planet and in human history? Why are we the only superpower on the globe?

I know many people want to believe that wealth is largely inherited but rather it is created through peoples ambitions, knowledge and motivation which free people pursue. I deal with wealthy people continually and have for over 35 years. What I have found is they are unlike the pop culture stereotypes...........usually they are anything other than uppity and smug and the vast majority of them have busted their butts to get what they have (I am usually curious as to how people have made their wealth so I usually ask what they do or have done for a living). In 35 years I have never heard 1 person say "Oh, my Daddy made a lot of money and passed it on". It has always been a tale of hard work and investments. I like you Miss Molly but you are largely a purveyor of misinformation (i.e. people with wealth don't deserve it and didn't work for it etc. etc. etc.)

billconner
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02/08/2018 07:11AM
MT, sure wish you could keep your political posts on a different forum. I don't come here for diatribes like that.
murphylakejim
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02/08/2018 09:20AM
missmolly: "mastertangler: "butthead: "Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships.



Neither detracting or applauding his accomplishments.



butthead "




Point taken..........but rags to riches stories are a dime a dozen in the United States and are rather an oddity by comparison in most other parts of the world. "



Not true. There's less economic mobility here than in many western nations and most wealth in America is inherited. "


I wonder what if anything has been sacrificed or traded to create higher economic mobility. Another question, is the USA's economic mobility optimal? Being lower than another western country is relative not absolute. What is full economic mobility? Wake up poor, make a million by lunch and loose it by dinner?

I love when important topics come up and people, who have to coexist in society, work towards better understanding each other. Im not a fan of restricting these threads.
muddyfeet
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02/08/2018 12:03PM
It's a brilliant marketing move- and it worked because it's being discussed. Not only is it an easy press headline, It makes the high-tech company look cheeky and fun, and reminds everyone that the people who made a rocket two times as capable as the current heavy lifter at 1/6 of the cost...also make electric cars too.

I thought I knew how rockets worked until I saw the video of the two boosters turn around and fly back to the launchpad by themselves where they landed upright at the same time. Mind blown and perception changed.

You have to admire the visionary ambition of Musk. From Paypal to tesla to spacex to solar power to batteries, he has changed the future of several industries. He realizes how things can be done better, and then bucks current trend/understanding to make it happen.
billconner
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02/08/2018 12:05PM
murphylakejim: "missmolly: "mastertangler: "butthead: "Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships.




Neither detracting or applauding his accomplishments.




butthead "




Point taken..........but rags to riches stories are a dime a dozen in the United States and are rather an oddity by comparison in most other parts of the world. "




Not true. There's less economic mobility here than in many western nations and most wealth in America is inherited. "



I wonder what if anything has been sacrificed or traded to create higher economic mobility. Another question, is the USA's economic mobility optimal? Being lower than another western country is relative not absolute. What is full economic mobility? Wake up poor, make a million by lunch and loose it by dinner?


I love when important topics come up and people, who have to coexist in society, work towards better understanding each other. Im not a fan of restricting these threads."


How about restricting them to the politics forum at least? Posts like " you are largely a purveyor of misinformation" - which is basically calling someone a big fat liar - don't belong here IMHO. So much for the oath of respect and dignity.

Oath of dignity and respect thread
huntfun2
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02/08/2018 02:26PM
bwcasolo: "2 red canoes!"
I agree!!
mastertangler
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02/08/2018 04:55PM
billconner: "MT, sure wish you could keep your political posts on a different forum. I don't come here for diatribes like that."

Bill with all due respect why not make the same observation toward Miss Molly? Saying that most wealth is inherited is a false statement and a very political statement wether you understand the implications or not. If most wealth is inherited it is thus undeserved and therefore it becomes quite easy to confiscate it (since the recipient didn't really work for it) and give it to others who are perhaps "more deserving" (vote for us and we will give you other peoples stuff).

While I do my best to not be overtly political I will always stand for truth. The vast majority of wealth in this country is created not inherited. Thats the truth, plain and simple. As for upward mobility I suspect what Miss Molly refers to is a government provided flat and a pint of Guiness.
billconner
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02/08/2018 06:45PM
I don't see Miss Molly's post as personal attack as yours clearly was, so no need to call her out.

Yes, it is true that wealth is created. And the very wealthiest get most of it, and the poor none of it. That's also true.
yogi59weedr
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02/08/2018 08:33PM
I don't think this is better than any canoe... I don't care what color it is..
Come to think of it....
I think the university of Illinois should adopt the red canoes as there mascot.
We are the only team in the NCAA without a mascot.
Several years ago THE CHIEF was found to be offensive to a group of people.
So the university put the CHIEF out to pasture........ what a shame....
Anyway how's that for changing the subject while keeping the OP original post about red canoes in mind...

Come to think about it I like it.
The university of Illinois red canoes.....

All thoes in favor say
Na na nananana na na na na nananana
yogi59weedr
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02/08/2018 08:33PM
mastertangler
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02/09/2018 05:14AM
billconner: "I don't see Miss Molly's post as personal attack as yours clearly was, so no need to call her out.


Yes, it is true that wealth is created. And the very wealthiest get most of it, and the poor none of it. That's also true."


I concede your first point and stand corrected although I do draw a distinction between being misinformed and being a liar. Fair enough?

The second point I will take issue with. If wealth is created then that creative option is available to all, rich or poor, who live in a free society. I repeat my previous statement that rags to riches stories are a dime a dozen in the united States. That is in stark contrast to most of human history where you had a ruling class and then the poor. Yes I understand that some folks are born on third base and others without a bat. But the possibility of upward mobility exists in a free market society like no other system in history. That is a simple fact and an undeniable reality (Free market capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other). The Great Experiment which is the United States will only fail when the populace decides to keep voting themselves a raise. Even our "so called" poor typically have cell phones, food provided, health care and air conditioning. Compare that with poverty you find in third world countries. Quite a contrast.

The propaganda we so often see is a pie shape with one small segment hoarding all the "pie" and not "sharing". If wealth is created, as you agree, then one is free to bake their own pie and does not need anyones permission to do so. At least that is the case in the USA......so far. We could discuss further how the country is heading into a largely post Constitutional phase and how the country is regressing to a bygone era of large centralized bureaucracies which will lead to what you describe (a two tier society / which is anything but Progressive BTW) but that is beyond the scope of the thread. Nice chatting with you, thank you for pointing out my miscue concerning Miss Molly.
murphylakejim
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02/09/2018 10:29AM
yogi59weedr: "I don't think this is better than any canoe... I don't care what color it is..
Come to think of it....
I think the university of Illinois should adopt the red canoes as there mascot.
We are the only team in the NCAA without a mascot.
Several years ago THE CHIEF was found to be offensive to a group of people.
So the university put the CHIEF out to pasture........ what a shame....
Anyway how's that for changing the subject while keeping the OP original post about red canoes in mind...


Come to think about it I like it.
The university of Illinois red canoes.....


All thoes in favor say
Na na nananana na na na na nananana"


Sorry canoes are wacist too!

Canoes = genocide
yogi59weedr
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02/09/2018 10:47AM
yogi59weedr
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02/09/2018 10:47AM
Wow. And I thought I had to much time on my hands...
Think I'll go get my maple tree taps ready.
DrBobDg
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02/09/2018 11:28AM
This thread sure took a twist.
Yep... a paddler in that red SR Canoe...
can you imagine what the martians would think if they come across that?

btw...go fighting Illini. CVM class of 1975.

dr bob
mastertangler
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02/09/2018 12:16PM
DrBobDg: "This thread sure took a twist.
btw...go fighting Illini. CVM class of 1975.


dr bob"


Well, we are all interested in what we are interested in (if that makes any sense > "Go Fighting Illini" etc. etc.)

A red Tesla.......I bet its a neat car to drive. They should of put a faithful stuffed canine sporting a huge grin and goggles next to the unwitting passenger. Now THAT would of been clever marketing!

And of course my favorite canoe color is black.......as in carbon fiber black. Well at least until that first rock leaves a nice long white mark ;-)
LDB
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02/09/2018 01:18PM
Teslas suck, even red ones. Red Subaru Outbacks with the 6 cylinder engines are way better. Even better than green Foresters with stick shifts and four cylinder engines. The noise was cool, lots of fire works, it was cool that the boosters found their way home. If the main rocket could have safely hit that sea platform, that would have been cool. Proving that it could be a heavy lifter by taking some junk and tossing it out in space, that is really not all that much to lift. If they wanted to prove it could toss an unnecessarily heavy piece of junk into space, they should used a Harley or a Chevy pickup. Around here when folks want to get rid of an old car they either park out in the back of the grove or try to sell it to some sucker for twice what it is worth. If someone tried to leave a Tesla in my grove, I would call the cops.
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02/10/2018 06:42PM
Holy crap...light blue canoes of course.

Keep the @!#X%$* politics out of these discussions.
halvorsonchristopher
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02/12/2018 11:37PM
hobbydog: "Only in America could an immigrant from Africa make billions and do something like this. Normally they use concrete blocks to simulate a load, this shows some creativity while testing the new heavy lift rocket. With all the crap going on in the world right now what is not to cheer? " I couldn't agree with you more!!!
 
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