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DontPanic
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02/11/2018 12:50AM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
My group will be going from ep 23 to ep 16 the June 5th-12th. I’ve been looking at tarps and like the eureka cvs 16 because the netting is detachable but also see the NEMO bug out is highly rated. Any other suggestions and if not which do you think is a better option?
 
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02/11/2018 05:39AM  
I can't make a comparison, but I do have experience with the Nemo, we have a 12 x 12 Bugout. I'm a big fan of it.

While the netting is not detachable, is does roll up easily and has built-in ties to tie it in the rolled up position. Not sure if you're a hanger, but we use the Nemo to hang 2 hammocks stacked bunk-bed style, one on top of the other, in lieu of a tent. No bugs, protection from rain, and still a great view from your campsite.
 
OldFingers57
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02/11/2018 08:53AM  
I didn’t think the Eureka one was available in the US as I akwaysee a lot of Canadians using them but not too many in the USA.
I have the Nemo Bugout. It works great only downside is the weight of it and the bulk of it.
 
mjmkjun
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02/11/2018 09:39AM  
How big is your group? Might make a difference in responses to your query.
I am a soloist so don't qualify to answer questions on groups but the overall BEST in quality is Cooke Custom Sewing. Designed and made by a fellow tipper to last the long haul.
 
02/11/2018 10:08AM  
For simplicity I prefer no net with my tarp. Instead relying on chemicals and or smelly travelling partners to fend off da bugs!

Just a plain old flat tarp for me. I like the versatility over a shaped tarp. CCS is very difficult to beat for quality, lots of other makers can work well. If netting is a must, I'd go with separate tarp and add netting as needed.

butthead
 
02/11/2018 10:20AM  
I have a Nemo 9 x 9 bugout that was used one night. You can have it for $100 if you want it. It is a great setup, but too heavy for my needs as I usually paddle solo.

Just posted this in the for sale forum.
 
DontPanic
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02/11/2018 11:03AM  
butthead: "For simplicity I prefer no net with my tarp. Instead relying on chemicals and or smelly travelling partners to fend off da bugs!


Just a plain old flat tarp for me. I like the versatility over a shaped tarp. CCS is very difficult to beat for quality, lots of other makers can work well. If netting is a must, I'd go with separate tarp and add netting as needed.


butthead"


Will the bugs drive us mad that time of year without a net? I’ve only went once (last year) and it was Labor Day week. Bugs were not an issue, however it sounds like the black flies are thick in early June.
 
DontPanic
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02/11/2018 11:03AM  
butthead: "For simplicity I prefer no net with my tarp. Instead relying on chemicals and or smelly travelling partners to fend off da bugs!


Just a plain old flat tarp for me. I like the versatility over a shaped tarp. CCS is very difficult to beat for quality, lots of other makers can work well. If netting is a must, I'd go with separate tarp and add netting as needed.


butthead"


Will the bugs drive us mad that time of year without a net? I’ve only went once (last year) and it was Labor Day week. Bugs were not an issue, however it sounds like the black flies are thick in early June.
 
02/11/2018 11:06AM  
DontPanic: "
butthead: "For simplicity I prefer no net with my tarp. Instead relying on chemicals and or smelly travelling partners to fend off da bugs!



Just a plain old flat tarp for me. I like the versatility over a shaped tarp. CCS is very difficult to beat for quality, lots of other makers can work well. If netting is a must, I'd go with separate tarp and add netting as needed.



butthead"



Will the bugs drive us mad that time of year without a net? I’ve only went once (last year) and it was Labor Day week. Bugs were not an issue, however it sounds like the black flies are thick in early June. "


Most of my trips are in June; usually 2 per year. Skeets and black flies can be nasty. IMO, the skeets are a bigger concern, especially at dusk. The black files can be hit or miss. But when they are out, they can be a bugger!
 
02/11/2018 11:28AM  
I've never taken a netted shelter other than a tent. Rarely used a headnet.
I do treat my clothes with permethrin, and will pack some DEET wipes (often never used but good insurance).
But everyone has a personal tolerance level!

butthead
 
DontPanic
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02/11/2018 12:07PM  
Has anyone used dettol? I use it in the Midwest and it’s brilliant for gnats and mosquitoes
 
02/11/2018 12:28PM  

I have used tarps for many years and I can honestly say I wouldn't go on a canoe trip without one, whether I travel solo or with a group. As far as the netting; I'd say that's dependent on the time of year or how concerned you are of bulk and weight.

For spring and fall, Kelty's Noah's Tarp 9 has served me well. It's light, easy to set-up, and it's very affordable. The tarp's dimensions; Length: 108 in / 274 cm/Width: 108 in / 274 cm, and a pack weight of approximately two-pounds is very reasonable. Obviously for a larger group, you'd probably want to step-up the the Noah Tart 12 or the 16.

I have tried to use just a "box net" strung under the Noah's Tarp, but it wasn't quite as slick as having a tarp with attached netting.

Despite the NEMO Bugout Shelter's bulk and weight, it's a Godsend during peak bug season. It's a pleasure to be able to escape the bugs during dinner, or when just lounging, when the bugs are running wild in June and July.

I don't have any experience with the Eureka VCS 16, but a removable net is a nice option. That said, the netting does roll up on the NEMO Bugout shelters as johndku mentioned.

There's no disputing the superior quality of the CCS tarps, but the aforementioned tarps have served me well despite being a cheaper option.

Hans Solo

 
DontPanic
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02/11/2018 01:03PM  
butthead: "I've never taken a netted shelter other than a tent. Rarely used a headnet.
I do treat my clothes with permethrin, and will pack some DEET wipes (often never used but good insurance).
But everyone has a personal tolerance level!


butthead"


How long does the permethrin last? On a seven day trip do you have reapply?
 
02/11/2018 02:26PM  
6 weeks, 6 washings, sometimes longer depending on storage.
Sawyer Permethrin
Duration Permethrin Soak
2 brands I have had good results with.

It's an insecticide, used worldwide in food industries for decades. Read and follow the instructions.

butthead
 
Grandma L
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02/11/2018 06:28PM  
Yup, each spring the family has a Permethrine party and gets all the trip clothes soaked and hung to dry. I do carry a Bug Out tarp with net for some of our basecamp trips but it is pretty heavy to travel with when moving daily. Some folks have hade good luck with separate tarp and net "boxes" to put up under the tarp. Sea to Summit Double Box Net
 
Moonpath
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02/11/2018 09:37PM  
I have a 12 x 12 Nemo bugout shelter and have used it several times. It works well for the price, is a little bulky but well worth the effort for having time away from the bugs. I would not go without it during the times you are suggesting. JerryG
 
mgraber
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02/12/2018 11:30PM  
12 by 12 nemo bugout here. We only use it on basecamp style trips. Otherwise just wear long clothes and a head net. Chemicals don't work on black flies and it's no fun to have blood running off your face from all the bites if they get bad. I'd rather have skeeters any day because DEET always works 100%. Black flies can number in the thousands (or millions?) and pretty much overwhelm you when they are at their worst. They only want your head.
 
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