Advice needed; Planning first trip in early June and driving a 4 wheel drive pick up with Tear Drop camper to sleep in, either in BWCA or nearby. Would like to smallmouth fish in a stream and wade, although may bring a canoe. Prefer streams but with canoe, lakes are possible. Prefer to set up basecamp - free, primitive, dispersed camping areas that I can drive to, and offers a few different fishing options - and really hope to find somewhere to camp on waters edge. Would like to fish for other species, but a southerner with no knowledge and on budget, so guide is out. Realize the area is renown for lakes but get the impression that there are streams and tributaries connecting lakes. A good campsite on a lake with good shore fishing would work great too. Thinking 5-7 days so could even move around, but not spend a couple days driving around searching either. I have done some reading on here and great advice. Thanks in advance, Mark

Here's a research start, maps, descriptions, and other good stuff, Dispersed Camping

It will have to be outside of the BWCA as no mechanical means of transport apply, with a few exceptions. Also USFS operates many drive in camps with direct access to BWCA lakes (remember to fill out day permits, required).

If you backtrack from the link into the USDA site, you can find lots of info on camps, trails, access, including maps.

butthead

Get yourself a USFS Superior National Forest map. You'll see where all the dispersed sites are located. I'm doing a Bike Packing trip this May in the area from Temperance to Grand Marais. I plan on using those sites.

Early June is a good time as the summer rush to go camping is not yet begun and unoccupied sites will be easier to come by. You will have black flies, no-see-ums and mosquitoes. Just be prepared for that. Some days/places will be worse than others.

I think the headwaters of the Temperance, Cascade and Brule are all pretty close together and may offer lots of river choices with nice lakes thrown in for a change of pace.

There are also good options for you in northern Wisconsin and the upper peninsula of Michigan. There are National Forests and abundant State Forest opportunities in those states.

Thanks, sedges, I was looking for specific recommendations from personal experiences to cut down on research, and will research areas mentioned and others anyone may suggest. Northern MN is on my wish list as well as upper Wisconsin and Michigan. But want to settle on one area this trip, and hopefully have a few options from basecamp.

Kawishiwi Lake Campground is a small primitive campground with only 5 sites all on the lake. Kawishiwi Lake is a bwca entry point lake so you would just need to fill out a self service day permit to paddle. I've caught smallies and walleye there. Baker Lake Campground is another small primitive campground at a bwca entry point with only a few campsites but they are not right on the water like Kawishiwi. It's a short paddle from Baker w/ 1 portage to Peterson for some good walleye fishing. And you can continue on to Kelly and even Jack if you want on a long daytrip. This stretch of lakes is well known for moose sightings if you are lucky. Again you would need to fill out a self service day permit to canoe into the bwca. These are both free first come first serve campgrounds and you would need your canoe.

There aren’t many streams near the BWCA that are know for Small Mouth fishing. Most streams are small and are known for Trout. Maybe try camping on Birch Lake which is near the South Fork of the Kawishiwi River. Or at McDougal Lake which is on the Stony River.

Please explain self service day permit and regular BWCA permit. From what I have read, there are a limited number of permits available daily at access points. Would I need a daily self service day permit every day, even if I had set up base camp and wanted to stay near camp all day while fishing out of my canoe. If the limit of permits has been reached, that means I can't fish around my camp out of my canoe. I'm guessing these permits are found at many points. Wondering if it is a hassle to get a self service day permit, and some days I will get one and some days I may not. I can't imagine me venturing more than a mile from camp while I am fishing out of my canoe.
That is why I was kind of thinking it would be less hassle to find a lake just outside of BWCA regulations, if all things are equal such as fishing and scenery.

The limited number of permits are for overnight camping in the bwca. Since you would be camping outside of the bwca and just paddling into the bwca for the day, there is no limit on those. At the canoe landing at places like Kawishiwi and Baker there is a little brown box next to the big forest service sign that has little paper day permits in it. You fill out the permit right there, tear off the top paper copy, and put the bottom carbon copy into the slot that is in the box.
Photo of what one of those signs/boxes look like......................
the box is at the right side of the sign.......... also.......... if you are going to be doing day paddles at the same entry point multiple days in a row there is a box on the permit that you can check that says something like........ "Multiple Consecutive Day Trips to the Same Entry Point" so you would only have to fill out one

Ok, I see you want a free site you can drive to where you can stream fish for small mouth. I just don’t think all of that can be done in the area. The only free drive up place on a stream that I know of is on the Cascade River . I don’t know that it has small mouth bass though. It would be better if you settled on free drive up place on a lake, as some have already suggested.

The free day use permits are not limited, only overnight stay permits are. They can be found at either the entry "kiosk" or you can get them ahead of time at a ranger's station.

Yep, I figured out from responses that a free lakeside campsite is gong to be the best option. No big deal, other than I dreamed of wade fishing, which I prefer. Just don't know what to expect so would like to be prepared. Hoping mosquitos aren't too bad yet in early June.

If you are good with lake-side camping vs stream I have a few non-BWCA suggestions. These are based on nice campsites, you'll want to use the DNR lakefinder to check for the presence of smallies.

These are in the Tofte area ::
Toohey Lake-couple of nice free sites on a smallish lake
Four Mile Lake - a larger more interesting lake
Whitefish Lake - you can also portage to a few other lakes from here. Non BWCA, but very similar feel.
Temperance River-if you drive up the Sawbill trail there is a small free site just south of a bridge crossing the river. Sort of a busy road, and I believe only trout in the river.


Off the Arrowhead there is a small campground at Esther lake, it's been 15 years since I've been there but think it's free. Also a campground at the end of the Arrowhead at McFarland lake.

This is a good resource here:: https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5295334.pdf

The 'rustic' campgrounds are free.

If you change your criteria to include paying $15-$20 a night you have a lot more options in some pretty nice areas. If you consider this I'd really recommend East Bearskin, Flour Lake, and Trails End campgrounds.

Two Island Lake & Campground isn't far from Brule and it's really nice. Sawbill of course is always a winner.

ducks: "Kawishiwi Lake Campground is a small primitive campground with only 5 sites all on the lake. Kawishiwi Lake is a bwca entry point lake so you would just need to fill out a self service day permit to paddle. I've caught smallies and walleye there. Baker Lake Campground is another small primitive campground at a bwca entry point with only a few campsites but they are not right on the water like Kawishiwi. It's a short paddle from Baker w/ 1 portage to Peterson for some good walleye fishing. And you can continue on to Kelly and even Jack if you want on a long daytrip. This stretch of lakes is well known for moose sightings if you are lucky. Again you would need to fill out a self service day permit to canoe into the bwca. These are both free first come first serve campgrounds and you would need your canoe. "

Kawishiwi is perfect. One can paddle from their campsite. It's quiet, though parties putting in (as a BWCA entry point) can sometimes make a bit of noise. LOTS of grouse when I've been there. Have seen moose there. Watched ice-out one year while there. I'd recommend over Baker, though that's not a bad option either.

Mike

Again, I don't HAVE to be in or near BWCA, just looking for free camping, since I am renting a small RV, and if I have to pay for a campsite too, I may as well just forget the camper and stay in a cabin.

Mark1: "Again, I don't HAVE to be in or near BWCA, just looking for free camping, since I am renting a small RV, and if I have to pay for a campsite too, I may as well just forget the camper and stay in a cabin."

I understand that, and everybody has to make their own financial calculations according to their own budget and priorities. You seem to have good reasons for seeking out only free campsites.

That said, let me tell you why, to me, camping fees would be a good investment, and worth cutting something else out of your budget for if necessary.

To me, when spending decent money on a vacation already, an added $100 cost ($15 for seven nights, or $20 for five nights, or whatever) in order to have access to the solitude, flexibility, and great fishing that you are seeking, is a no brainer. You are doing this trip for certain reasons, and it sounds like insisting on free camping might really put those goals in jeopardy. I don't know what it costs to rent a trailer, but I doubt that over the course of time you are talking about, a cabin is only $100 more. Most lakeside cabins in northern Minnesota in peak season rent for at least $200/night. So the extra cash outlay for camping probably wouldn't put you in cabin cost territory.

I think the collective advice you are receiving here from people who know the area is that given what you said you are hoping to get out of the trip, it might be better to budget $100 toward camping fees and try to cut that money out somewhere else if money is tight, rather than camping only in free spots. It may be that it's hard to find a place with multiple good fishing options if you restrict your search to free sites.

Again - do what you need to do, but if you are making a whole trip out of this, I'd recommend prioritizing finding the most suitable campsite and using tighter budgeting elsewhere if needed.

Take a look at the linked PDF. Page 3 lists the rustic campsites which are free to use. The list also includes the number of sites available at each location and the number of sites that would be suitable for a small trailer like you will be towing. I would use this list as your starting point for research. Given your criteria of free, near water for fishing, and suitable for trailer use I think this will be your best bet to find what you are looking for.

Camping Options

I would highly recommend you bring a canoe as it will vastly increase your options for catching fish. You'll be pretty limited if you want to rely on wading. You'll also be able to use the canoe to do free day trips into the BWCA which will really open up a new world of options for you. A weeks worth of day trips and returning to your trailer base camp at one of the locations listed in the link would make for a pretty fun trip and you'll really get to explore a lot of areas that way.

I get what you are saying, Dale, and appreciate everyone's advice. And I know how it is with someone not wanting to give away their honey holes and spots. I am just hoping to find a secluded free spot on even a small little known lake where I can catch some fish. Plus a new development for me - I may be renting the camper for a month!! Realistically, I am hoping for free camping at least half the time. And I'll admit, a developed campground with a shower will be necessary every few days for a hot shower and shave!! LOL I consider myself to be on a recon mission as I am totally a beginner at fishing northern waters. Just hear awesome stories - my dentist goes to Lake of the Woods every year with his buddies and swears he gets tired of taking smallies off the hook, and someone always catches a big pike. Hope to learn the ropes and convince my buddies to go next time.

I think there may be a disconnect between what you are picturing in your mind and what actually exists in the area.

You can find secluded campsites (vast majority will be tent only).
You can find campsites right on the shores of good fishing lakes.
You can find free places to camp.
You can find nice places to camp with a vehicle and trailer.

The problem is there aren't that many places that will check off all of those boxes. The rustic campsite list provided previously is your best bet to check off as many of those things as possible. I think the best you may be able to do is 3 out of 4.

If you really want to be tucked away by yourself on a nice little fishing lake your best bet is to tent camp instead of trailer. The trailer really limits your options.

Also if your dentist was telling you about Lake of the Woods you'll probably want to reset your expectations of the area you are looking at. Lake of the Woods is a VERY different place than the area around the BWCA. Totally different experience, totally different fishing, totally different type of lake. Don't get me wrong there is a lot of good fishing in the area you are looking at but its just way different that Lake of the Woods and you should not expect the same type of results. Unless you have some unbelievable luck you probably won't come close to matching your dentists Lake of the Woods results. Also keep in mind he's probably staying with a lodge and following guides around in large motorized fishing boats on a HUGE lake that is known for some of the best fishing in North America, you're talking about fishing by yourself in a canoe on much much smaller lakes. Personally I'd rather be doing what you're planning on doing but I think its important to give you a realistic set of expectations.

Ha! Good points on all accounts. Except for tent camping, I'm down to once a year now on annual float/camp trip with buddies in Missouri for a couple nights, I need a bed for longer than that. HA You're right about reasonable expectations on fishing, and my dentist's group are on first name basis with lodge guides for years. I'm hoping to catch enough to keep me entertained, I'm by no means a master angler. Fish MO streams 3-4 times year for trout and smallmouth, otherwise it's local lakes for blue gill and catfish. I will be happy catching some perch for supper!!
Even thinking of float fishing the upper Mississippi, myself being a Mississippi River rat here in Ste. Genevieve, MO. Realize taking the canoe will be a big advantage. And read a lot on here in the past couple years. Good information here!! And have been researching dispersed camping, though trailer adds a challenge.
Mostly on vacation and sightseeing. Worked all over MN in early 80's in cable Tv infancy, but never made it up to the BWCA area, and didn't fish while there. Actually plan to start in northern MN and work my way over to upper peninsula in Michigan to meet friends. Besides fishing, taking my golf clubs, hitting some breweries, and hoping to hear some music somewhere.
Appreciate all replies and will print off suggestions when we finish. Thanks, Mark

Sounds like you've got a great trip in mind. Fishing, camping, golfing, and drinking beer. My first question is can I come?

I've got a couple more suggestions for you.

1. If you want to do some river smallie fishing check out the northern stretches of the St. Croix river, its prefect for floating the river and catching smallies. If you drive up 35 into northern MN you'll only need a 20 minute detour. There is a group in St Croix state park that runs canoe trips on the river. You can rent a canoe from them and they'll shuttle you 10 miles up river and you can paddle and fish your way back. They may also shuttle you and your canoe if you bring it for a fee. Its a nice option if you are solo and can't shuttle your own cars between your put in and take out points. The river is a fairly slow meandering river up in that stretch and its pretty much canoe only as there are too many shallow spots to get motor boats in there. It also has a nice wilderness feel as you won't see much development other than an occasional power line. There are also a few first come first served canoe in campsites along the river. The fishing for smallies, pike, and walleye can be really good but smallies probably the best. There are a lot of places you can get out of the canoe and wander up and down the shore or sandbars. Shoot me an email if you want more details (click on the envelope under my name on the left)

2. Breweries. Now you're talking my language. Depending on your route into MN you're going to drive be a lot of great options. Up north my favorite is Castle Danger in Two Harbors but Bent Paddle in Duluth is a close second. Castle Danger does bring in musicians some of which are very good. Might be able to check their website to find out who is playing and check dates as you start firming up plans. If you make it as far north as Grand Marais there is also Voyagers but that would only work if you're planning on hanging out on the Gunflint trail.

If you spend time in the Twin Cities then there is a LONG list of places I could suggest. Let me know if you want that list. You could spend a month doing nothing but trying a new brewery each night.

As far as fishing in the BWCA area I think you'll do fine catching smallies. Obviously a canoe helps a ton as it opens up your options. The biggest thing is researching the lakes near where you will be camping. Use the MN DNR lake finder for that. If there are smallies in the lake then they usually aren't that hard to find. Look for rocky points and that will be a good place to start.

Now we're talking, nofish!!! St. Croix sounds like what I am looking for!! I have to admit, I am spoiled here in Missouri, as on a river like the St. Croix there would be several free camping spots at some accesses, bridges, and roads. Is there any place to camp for free along the St. Croix that you know of?? Hate to be a penny pincher, but I can't afford to pay $15-25 per night every night if I am on the road for a month. I am going to have to have some free camping nights along the way.

Good info on breweries - will definitely check out!! Yes, I have looked at the Gunflint Trail area. Wasn't there a big forest fire there in past couple of years?

Generally avoid the cities - been there, done that in my youth. Prefer the smaller towns to hang out.

I'm not aware of any free campsites for trailers along the St. Croix. Most of the land around that area is either private land or State Park land. There is plenty of camping in the State Parks in that area but of course thats not free. The only free camping I'm aware of along the river would require you to canoe into the sites. Here is a link to more information about the upper section of the river including info on camping. Upper St Croix River

I've paddled the stretch starting at Thayers Landing (Hwy 48) south to the Main Landing which is the main landing in St. Croix state park. I've also paddled the stretch south of the main landing as well. From Thayers to the main landing is just a smidge under 10 miles.

Might be worth a night or two at the state park to paddle that stretch of river for a day and then continue on your way north.

As far as the Gunflint goes there have been fires in the area over the years but its really not an issue from a visiting standpoint. You'll be able to pick out areas that burned in past years just because the terrain is different and growth is lower but thats really the only indication. Its not like you're going to be traveling through blackened and charred areas.

The more recent fire impact is more toward the south and west and those areas will be more noticeable. Although really no reason to avoid anywhere due to fire.

Yep. The free campsites on the St. Croix in both Minnesota and Wisconsin are accessible only by water. You can’t drive to them, you can only boat or canoe to them. There are some campgrounds that charge fees though.

The Ham lake fire scar is visible from about the Gunflint Lake area to Saganaga Lake. That is almost to the end of the Gunflint Trail.

: "Ha! Good points on all accounts. Except for tent camping, I'm down to once a year now on annual float/camp trip with buddies in Missouri for a couple nights, I need a bed for longer than that. HA You're right about reasonable expectations on fishing, and my dentist's group are on first name basis with lodge guides for years. I'm hoping to catch enough to keep me entertained, I'm by no means a master angler. Fish MO streams 3-4 times year for trout and smallmouth, otherwise it's local lakes for blue gill and catfish. I will be happy catching some perch for supper!!
Even thinking of float fishing the upper Mississippi, myself being a Mississippi River rat here in Ste. Genevieve, MO. Realize taking the canoe will be a big advantage. And read a lot on here in the past couple years. Good information here!! And have been researching dispersed camping, though trailer adds a challenge.
Mostly on vacation and sightseeing. Worked all over MN in early 80's in cable Tv infancy, but never made it up to the BWCA area, and didn't fish while there. Actually plan to start in northern MN and work my way over to upper peninsula in Michigan to meet friends. Besides fishing, taking my golf clubs, hitting some breweries, and hoping to hear some music somewhere.
Appreciate all replies and will print off suggestions when we finish. Thanks, Mark"

Doggone it, take me too (LOL)! I'm only about 90 minutes away and we have a home made teardrop too.

Looks like the MN natives have already provided you with lots of good info. I would "Second" Two Island" lake off the Gunflint. A few primitive spots that are flat enough to park a Teardrop. As for fishing from shore, a bit difficult. Take your canoe and it will give you more freedom. Also, several brook trout streams and smallie spots in that area that I would be happy to divulge in a pm.

Used to golf when I lived in Cape, but no time since I moved to the farm here in the Piedmont area. Some friends and I used to take a trip yearly and hit the little golf course in St. Gen and Farmington in the same day. Miss golf; never had a chance, but there's a nice looking little 9 hole course on Superior at Lutsen. Then there's also Superior National, that I've heard good things about. There's even a nice looking little course at Grand Marais, just out of town up the Gunflint Trail and off to the right (east). Always looked like an attractive little course, but I never played it.

Sounds like a great time, if I could get someone to pay my bills I'd hitch up OUR Teardrop and go along!

I pass thru Piedmont a couple times a year on my way to Eleven Point and Current rivers. And a member at Ste Gen golf course. Come on over, you can get on about anytime of day. BTW SG is about the only course you will find with unlimited play with green fees and cart.

I have spent some time researching the Gunflint Trail area and like it. Only drawback is it seems to be a long way up there, and keep wondering if something comparable maybe an hour or two closer. I watched a youtube tour of the Two Island NF Service campground and looks ideal, esp the few with short path to water. The CG website says $15-23 per day, so I'm guessing as much as $23 for the prime spots. Comes to $161 per week - pricey by my standards. (As an ozarkpaddler, I'm sure you will agree we are spoiled with so much free camping on our streams.) With renting the tear drop, buying gas, and $20 per night to camp for a month long trip, add on daily supplies, and I'm starting to look at a $3,000 trip. I can do a couple nights here and there for $23 per night, but not the whole trip.

When you say a "few primitive spots", I interpret that to mean FREE spots that are not advertised, or do you mean more secluded spots within the pay campgrounds? In my mind, I'm thinking there must be some cool free campsites on the water that aren't advertised on some lakes somewhere in the Great Northwoods.

ozarkpaddler - when my plans become more definite, I would like to PM you for your suggestions and advice since you know the area, and save me some driving around for a couple days. Thanks in advance, Mark

I agree with the previous post about getting a superior national forest map. If you are looking for something closer then the gunflint look north of Isabella or Finland. The Timber - Frear loop timber-frear-link . Park your trailer at Whitefish lake or Toohey, Fourmile lakes. Or go to the west a little like Section 29 or Comfort lakes campgrounds. From Comfort lake you can paddle to the Island River pictographs.
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JIM

The Kawishiwi Lake and Baker Lake campgrounds mentioned above are both free and the ones at Kawishiwi are right on the water.

: "I pass thru Piedmont a couple times a year on my way to Eleven Point and Current rivers. And a member at Ste Gen golf course. Come on over, you can get on about anytime of day. BTW SG is about the only course you will find with unlimited play with green fees and cart.


I have spent some time researching the Gunflint Trail area and like it. Only drawback is it seems to be a long way up there, and keep wondering if something comparable maybe an hour or two closer. I watched a youtube tour of the Two Island NF Service campground and looks ideal, esp the few with short path to water. The CG website says $15-23 per day, so I'm guessing as much as $23 for the prime spots. Comes to $161 per week - pricey by my standards. (As an ozarkpaddler, I'm sure you will agree we are spoiled with so much free camping on our streams.) With renting the tear drop, buying gas, and $20 per night to camp for a month long trip, add on daily supplies, and I'm starting to look at a $3,000 trip. I can do a couple nights here and there for $23 per night, but not the whole trip.
When you say a "few primitive spots", I interpret that to mean FREE spots that are not advertised, or do you mean more secluded spots within the pay campgrounds? In my mind, I'm thinking there must be some cool free campsites on the water that aren't advertised on some lakes somewhere in the Great Northwoods.
ozarkpaddler - when my plans become more definite, I would like to PM you for your suggestions and advice since you know the area, and save me some driving around for a couple days. Thanks in advance, Mark
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Mark, you'll have to hit the river with us sometime (Current, Jack's, Eleven Point, or Black). Also, I thought there were a few pull in free sites at Two Island? I'll check with Ty at the Beaver House, the bait store in Grand Marais. He''s the one who told me about Two Island (I think there are actually TWENTY two islands) lake a few decades ago. Don't know what your work schedule is, but typically I can paddle Tue-Thur, sometimes more. I'm a nurse and work weekends. We're planning on paddling Thursday this week. E-mail me by clicking on the link sometime!
Terry

Absolutely, the Jacks Fork and Buffalo are on my bucket list. I may even postpone BWCA for another year and just hit the JF and Buffalo this summer instead. And I have never floated the Black River but hear the fishing is fair to good. And yes, we almost exclusively float on weekdays. We are truly blessed to have so many beautiful rivers at our disposal, and without costing an arm and a leg. Hard to get my buddies to go anywhere but the Eleven Point, they love trout fishing but I prefer smallmouth. Two buddies have bought jet boats in past 5 years, and we have all gotten spoiled. I have to admit, turning 60 this summer and getting in and out of a boat wears me out by the end of the day. When I do float, I am content with 7-8 miles a day. We use the canoe as more of a taxi to get to the good fishing holes, and pull over and wade fish. I have found that on the long trips of 10-15 miles, we pass up to many fishing holes because we "have to make good time to get to take out."

Mark1: "Absolutely, the Jacks Fork and Buffalo are on my bucket list. I may even postpone BWCA for another year and just hit the JF and Buffalo this summer instead. And I have never floated the Black River but hear the fishing is fair to good. And yes, we almost exclusively float on weekdays. We are truly blessed to have so many beautiful rivers at our disposal, and without costing an arm and a leg. Hard to get my buddies to go anywhere but the Eleven Point, they love trout fishing but I prefer smallmouth. Two buddies have bought jet boats in past 5 years, and we have all gotten spoiled. I have to admit, turning 60 this summer and getting in and out of a boat wears me out by the end of the day. When I do float, I am content with 7-8 miles a day. We use the canoe as more of a taxi to get to the good fishing holes, and pull over and wade fish. I have found that on the long trips of 10-15 miles, we pass up to many fishing holes because we "have to make good time to get to take out.""

Well, I decided to fish more and paddle less in 2018, so I think we're on the same page? I have to say, in MN I tend to catch more and better smallies than I do here in MO, though. And hopefully that trend will continue this June when I head north? But I've got one stretch of the Jack's Fork and Current that's pretty good. You'll have to come join us!

If you want to wade for smallies in a river, you won't do better than the Kettle, Snake, and St. Croix Rivers about 200 miles south of the bwca. plenty of cheap and free sites.

Thanks, someone else mentioned St. Croix and I read some, will do some reading on others mentioned, Thanks , kind of advice I was hooping for.

Mark1: "Absolutely, the Jacks Fork and Buffalo are on my bucket list. I may even postpone BWCA for another year and just hit the JF and Buffalo this summer instead. And I have never floated the Black River but hear the fishing is fair to good. And yes, we almost exclusively float on weekdays. We are truly blessed to have so many beautiful rivers at our disposal, and without costing an arm and a leg. Hard to get my buddies to go anywhere but the Eleven Point, they love trout fishing but I prefer smallmouth. Two buddies have bought jet boats in past 5 years, and we have all gotten spoiled. I have to admit, turning 60 this summer and getting in and out of a boat wears me out by the end of the day. When I do float, I am content with 7-8 miles a day. We use the canoe as more of a taxi to get to the good fishing holes, and pull over and wade fish. I have found that on the long trips of 10-15 miles, we pass up to many fishing holes because we "have to make good time to get to take out.""

Great smallie fishing on the Buffalo in addition to excellent hiking and float camping. There are also several places to park a teardrop.