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SteveF
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06/22/2018 09:57AM
When I go to the BWCA all my gear is pretty light weight, except for my camp chair. For all these years I’ve been carrying around 12 pound chair. Even when I solo my most important piece of equipment is my nice comfortable chair. I’ve tried the helinox type chairs but being 60+ they sit too low and lean too far back. Do they make a lightweight chair somewhere between the Helinox type chair and a Walmart chair.
 
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06/22/2018 10:42AM
Helinox make a slightly larger chair that sits higher, not the Chair One. I believe the actual name is "Camp Chair".

I just got one, have no regrets. My kids have the Chair One, and Camp Chair sits about 6 inches higher.
06/22/2018 10:57AM
Camp Time makes a tripod stool that is about chair height, but no back support. They do have another tripod chair with an actual back, I recall it came up occasionally in conversation before the Helinox style chairs hit the scene.
pamonster
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06/22/2018 11:57AM
Yeah I think the Helinox Sunset chair has longer legs...double check that though. They do make models with backs higher than the chair 1 but with the same leg length.....but I think the lean is the same with them all.
I'm an ultralight guy too, and I rationalize the expensive ultralight gear costs largely because it does not sacrifice comfort. IMO bring the big heavy chair if it's the comfortable chair, save the weight elsewhere.
Stimpy
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06/22/2018 12:10PM
johndku: "Helinox make a slightly larger chair that sits higher, not the Chair One. I believe the actual name is "Camp Chair".


I just got one, have no regrets. My kids have the Chair One, and Camp Chair sits about 6 inches higher. "

+1 on the camp chair. At 6’5” the chair one is way too short for me. The camp chair is much more comfortable and easier to get out of
AmarilloJim
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06/22/2018 03:24PM

This is the Sunset model
Tony
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06/22/2018 04:38PM
I really love my Sunset chair. It sets much higher than the original Helenox chair. the second picture has a 30 L barrel and a pack a size comparison.

TONY
bobbernumber3
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06/22/2018 05:25PM
mirth: "Camp Time makes a tripod stool that is about chair height, but no back support. They do have another tripod chair with an actual back, I recall it came up occasionally in conversation before the Helinox style chairs hit the scene."

I use the Camptime tripod. As cook, I like the height and no arm's so I can move easily when tending the fire or stove.
campnfish
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06/22/2018 05:42PM
I tripped with a 70 year old guy last year, he had a few of those nice aluminum folding chairs in his shed, he brought one of those. A little big to carry but we were just going to knife from moose, i just tied it to the top of a pack in the canoe, everyone was sitting in that chair when he wasn't. Probably only 2lbs heavier than my little camp chair.
mastertangler
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06/22/2018 06:40PM
bobbernumber3: "mirth: "Camp Time makes a tripod stool that is about chair height, but no back support. They do have another tripod chair with an actual back, I recall it came up occasionally in conversation before the Helinox style chairs hit the scene."


I use the Camptime tripod. As cook, I like the height and no arm's so I can move easily when tending the fire or stove."


I tripped with the ultra light camptime tripod stool for years and still like it. But for canoe trips I really like the version which has a back rest. Just google camp time chair.......excellent choice.

andym
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06/22/2018 07:53PM
I don't use the Camp Time chair for camping but do use it for outdoor music gigs. As a trombonist I need to sit up straight. It's pretty comfy but not really a lounging chair in my opinion. More a sit up and eat dinner at one of their tables sort of chair.

Alite Designs has some full height chairs that look pretty comfy and only weigh a few pounds.

I'd also try to go to an REI. Last time I looked they had quite a variety of camping furniture.
06/22/2018 09:13PM
I have the chair one and recently picked up the Sunset. It sits much higher and the seat seems to be a bit deeper/wider as well which makes it more comfortable. I am willing to take on the extra lb or two in order to have better back support and a head rest. Since you have been tripping with a 12lb chair it would most likely be a huge difference even with the being heavier that the chair one. Good luck in your search.
alpinebrule
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06/22/2018 09:52PM
I use a chair similar to this that I got at Gander Mtn. on sale for about $20. Compared to what you are use to it is "light weight". I cut the bottom bag off to cut weight. Don't rule out the old fashion aluminum chair in the right circumstances can't be beat and a great source of envy for those paddling by.

Chair Alternative
mastertangler
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06/23/2018 05:38AM
andym: "I don't use the Camp Time chair for camping but do use it for outdoor music gigs. As a trombonist I need to sit up straight. It's pretty comfy but not really a lounging chair in my opinion. More a sit up and eat dinner at one of their tables sort of chair.


Alite Designs has some full height chairs that look pretty comfy and only weigh a few pounds.

I'd also try to go to an REI. Last time I looked they had quite a variety of camping furniture."


Trombonist? How cool is that?

Yes that is the key distinction between the camp time chair and many other chairs which include back support.

I find the camp time chair very comfortable with good back support but it certainly isn't a dedicated reclinable kick back and chill sort of chair. Personally such a chair (recliner style) would not fit in with my style of tripping and I would see it as useless extra weight.

The camp time chair is a better task option. I like sitting instead of squatting to do camp chores such as breaking camp and cooking. Stuffing tents and sleeping bags are best performed from seated position IMO.

Add in that the reclinable chairs exaggerate poor posture and the potential for some back issues are set. I would be hard pressed to sit in some of the close to the ground back curving chairs regardless how good it might feel initially. Getting out of one might prove rather humorous as well for some of us with much grunting, groaning and grumbling.

I'll take the camp time chair, excellent for tasks, better posture and comfortable enough. You can order camp time chairs directly from MT Enterprises with free shipping and $5 off with code TUFF LUCK.
andym
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06/23/2018 06:11AM
Amateur trombonist but I will still accept the cool factor the horn brings.

Agree completely on what the camp time chair does well.

For a tripping chair I bring the very light Alite Monarch with only two legs. Makes my back feel great after a lot of portaging. And most people hate it and so no one steals it from me.
06/23/2018 07:45AM
I think the Helinox Sunset chair would be what you are looking for. I don’t have one too heavy for me at 3.3# but I have tried them and they are comfortable and a lot taller than the other Helinox models. Compared to your current chair the Sunset is ultra lightweight.

T
lundojam
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06/23/2018 09:01AM
06/23/2018 06:32PM
I stepped up to a Helinox Sunset this year. The seated height and back height makes this chair simply awesome. We have chair 2 also. Their good but sit much lower and no where near as tall of back.
andym
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06/23/2018 08:43PM
lundojam: " "

-2 for packability, +10 for style points
LilyPond
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06/23/2018 09:02PM
The Helinox Sunset chair measures 18" at the front of the seat, which is high enough to get up comfortably. The Camp Chair seat is the same height. The differences between the two: The Sunset has a higher back. It has good support under the thighs due to a deeper bucket front to back. It fits close to your sides and waist, which can feel restricting if you're overweight. The Camp Chair is wider through the sides and waist, but for me it's too short under the thighs. If you're not overweight or extremely tall you might like either of these chairs.

If you don't like the Helinox prices, there are lots of knockoffs on Amazon. It's very difficult to know what to believe in the reviews, making it hard to guess the comfort sight unseen. Many of them say, "I'm 6'4" and weigh 350 lbs and this chair feels great," which I think is impossible.
06/23/2018 10:15PM
Picked up a Helionix SUNSET at Canoecopia this year. I had been using a Chair One for years. But I tried out the SUNSET and the wider seat and taller back sold me and I really like it.

Yes, a tad heavier but oh so comfortable.
Paochow
 
06/24/2018 06:45AM
I’ve got a chair zero and sunset chair and it is usually debated up until I load my pack in the car. The Sunset feels like a real chair and is super comfy, but weights about 3X as much. The Zero is very packable but only a few steps up from sitting on a rock or log.

Definitely try before you buy as I tried the camp chair and it just didn’t fit me, but my buddy loves his and says my sunset is too narrow.
CanoeKev
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06/25/2018 08:34AM
In my opinion the Camp Time Roll-a-Chair is the way to go, as mentioned above. Is is not a lounging chair, but for general use and camp chores it is absolutely the best. They are bombproof. I have a Helinox that I never use. Camp-time actually makes a model that is about 2" higher than the standard model, but you have to order it from them directly.
HowardSprague
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06/25/2018 10:19AM
I find the Camp Time Roll a Chair to be really good in all aspects. The back rest doesn't look like it would provide comfortable, "lean-back & relax" support, but it really does. I have the stool version as well, but the extra little bulk/space taken up by the back rest is well worth it. I even use it at my daughter's soccer & softball games, it's so quick & easy to set up and no stuffing into/removing from a bag.
As an alternative, when I don't mind getting low to the ground, I also use a CrazyCreek knockoff that can also strap onto a canoe seat.
06/25/2018 11:16AM
Wally13: "Picked up a Helionix SUNSET at Canoecopia this year. I had been using a Chair One for years. But I tried out the SUNSET and the wider seat and taller back sold me and I really like it.


Yes, a tad heavier but oh so comfortable. "
Mike, you convinced me on the Sunset.... order placed !
mastertangler
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06/25/2018 06:50PM
BnD: "I stepped up to a Helinox Sunset this year. The seated height and back height makes this chair simply awesome. We have chair 2 also. Their good but sit much lower and no where near as tall of back."

After updating my reading list due to the suggestions of Tomt and Carmike I made my way to REI to update my sleeping pillow.

I checked out the Helinox sunset chair. Outstanding comfort. An excellent choice if your looking for a chair which does one thing exceptionally well......that being kicking back after a day of paddling or fishing. I really liked it.

That being said, it is not a task oreintated chair and I would be loathe to try and cook out of it or break camp with it. The camp time still reigns supreme in that respect IMHO. But if your looking for a chair which is designed for chillin in comfort and class the Helinox sunset would be tough to beat.
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06/25/2018 07:49PM
AmarilloJim: "
This is the Sunset model"


Not a bad spot to be, there.
amhacker22
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06/25/2018 07:50PM
I’m probably close to $500 deep into camp chairs, but I go back to the tripod I bought 15 years ago almost every time.
mastertangler
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06/26/2018 07:27AM
amhacker22: "I’m probably close to $500 deep into camp chairs, but I go back to the tripod I bought 15 years ago almost every time. "

Yes I love the tripod as well. Camp time (I have stock in the company ;-) has a tripod which is under 1 lb (14 oz) and rolls up very small indeed. It's their backpacking model with shorter legs. I loved it and used it very effectively for many years. An excellent perch to cook from. But as I have aged I have found a back rest a requirement. If I hit the backpacking trail however the stool will again see use.
plainspaddler
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06/26/2018 09:20AM
My wife and I bought Helinox Sunset chairs last year. They were great. I am 6' 2" and weigh 270 lbs. I find the chair very comfortable. The seat height is nice too. I have arthritis in my knees and I can get up or sit down just fine in the chair.

Mike
paddy3001
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06/26/2018 09:45AM
For a budget option, I've found the Moon Lence Chair to be pretty solid so far.
LilyPond
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06/27/2018 02:31PM
paddy3001: "For a budget option, I've found the Moon Lence Chair to be pretty solid so far. "

The Moon Lence is a child-sized chair that might work for a small adult. I tested this chair for a competing manufacturer. My co-tester was 6'1" and 250 lbs. He refused to sit in the Moon Lence because it was clear that it would not support his weight. (Claimed weight capacity is 242 lbs.) It scored last out of 4 chairs we tested. We gave it an overall rating of "poor" for leg support, back support, depth of the seat bucket, stability, and ease of getting out of it.
mschi772
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06/27/2018 02:56PM
LilyPond: "paddy3001: "For a budget option, I've found the Moon Lence Chair to be pretty solid so far. "


The Moon Lence is a child-sized chair that might work for a small adult. I tested this chair for a competing manufacturer. My co-tester was 6'1" and 250 lbs. He refused to sit in the Moon Lence because it was clear that it would not support his weight. (Claimed weight capacity is 242 lbs.) It scored last out of 4 chairs we tested. We gave it an overall rating of "poor" for leg support, back support, depth of the seat bucket, stability, and ease of getting out of it."


Doesn't the Moon Lence have nearly identical dimensions to the Helinox???

In any case, I bought two of them and had one rip at one of the frame pockets within the first two days. I will not be wasting money on knockoffs again.
Elgin
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07/02/2018 06:15PM
I have a Helinox Chair One, and love it, but yeah they are low to the ground.

Just ordered a couple TravelChair Wallaby models that I found for a decent price at Sierra Trading Post. They sit higher, so I'm hoping they'll be a little easier to rise from.

I'll post a comparison shot once they arrive.
SteveF
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07/02/2018 07:35PM
I’ll be looking forward to your review Elgin. I was looking at the same ones it’s pretty good price if they’re comfortable.
mjmkjun
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07/06/2018 04:58AM
BnD: "I stepped up to a Helinox Sunset this year. The seated height and back height makes this chair simply awesome. We have chair 2 also. Their good but sit much lower and no where near as tall of back."
Have a Sunset chair too and the back & head support is the reason I upgraded from an earlier model. The thing about those Helinox chair designs is they are so relaxing one wants to tilt the head back for a full 'chilling' experience. So, the higher the back, the better.
Elgin
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07/08/2018 01:06AM
The Wallaby (2 of them actually) came yesterday, and I just got a chance to set them up this evening. As you can see from the pic, it sits a lot higher than the Chair one.

Initial impression - Much easier to get in and out of. Sits you a little more upright than the chair one. The chair one was more comfortable initially, but the more I sit in the wallably, the more I like it. Packed up size isn't too much bigger than the chair one. The chair one definitely feels/looks like it has a better build quality (talking about the fabric part), but the wallably doesn't feel/look bad. Frame quality seems pretty even. I also love having the arms. A head rest would be nice to have, but I can live without.

I haven't weighed it, but the tag says 3 lbs, and it packs a little bigger than the chair one. Probably would stick with the chair one for hiking, but these will be going up to the BWCA with me at the end of August.

We'll be taking 4 chairs (the 2 wallabies, and 2 chair ones) and a small table, and the total weight for all will be just under 12 pounds.

EDIT - I got mine for just under $50 (from Sierra Trading Post), and I think it's an excellent buy. Was just on their site, and the price is back up to just under $70.

KarlBAndersen1
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07/08/2018 05:49PM
I've been trying to figure out what being "60+" has to do with a chair.
I'm 64 and use the lightest chair I can find.
My REI Flexlite is one of my favorite accessories.
Flexlite
proepro
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07/09/2018 02:35PM
The big discs on the feet on the Wallaby look nice if you are trying to sit on soft ground. The small ones can sink in.

Dilligaf0220
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07/10/2018 12:42PM
Nobody mentioned the granddaddy of all high end packable chairs, the Kermit?
I've got an extra wide Kermit, weighs maybe 5lbs and packs into a portable stuff sack, has to be the sturdiest foldable chair around. I'm on the wrong side of 200lbs and the Helinox stuff like most of the aluminum folders just feels a wobbly and let's you know you're maxing out the upper weight range. You'd never guess The Kermit collapses by just sitting on them.
Had mine for 10yrs and still as solid as Day 1. The downside, ofcourse, is price. Ouch.

http://www.kermitchair.com/products/store/the-kermit-wide-chair

sns
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07/10/2018 01:03PM
Dilligaf0220: "The Kermit collapses by just sitting on them."

That's a heck of a Feature!

:-)


Sorry, couldn't resist...
Elgin
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07/10/2018 08:32PM
proepro: "The big discs on the feet on the Wallaby look nice if you are trying to sit on soft ground. The small ones can sink in."

I'm excited about those. I used the Helinox after a night of rain, and it just sunk everywhere. I was practically sitting on the ground when I used it that day.
 
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