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Peterfishes21
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06/28/2018 05:31PM  
At this very moment a moderate risk of severe weather is over much of North Dakota and a slight risk extends into the BWCA. For those camping in the BWCA tonight be prepared to find cover if a storm does hit. I know that there's no internet for good reason but Im just on here to warn the general public. The storm formation looks inevitable so if the storm complex maintains its strength and intensity there will be some damage.
 
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06/28/2018 07:52PM  
july 4, 1999, was the same weather situation and it hit the BWCA big time!
 
luft
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06/29/2018 01:26AM  
Thank you for the info!

While I am not in northern MN is week I do carry a Inreach GPS unit and friends and family have been known to warn me of severe weather events by texting me through it.
 
06/29/2018 06:39AM  
Peter wasn't joking. Likely be in the W parts of the BW in the next hour. Moving E at 80mph!!

Severe Weather Statement
National Weather Service Duluth MN
636 AM CDT FRI JUN 29 2018

MNC061-071-137-291215-
/O.CON.KDLH.SV.W.0078.000000T0000Z-180629T1215Z/
Itasca MN-Koochiching MN-St. Louis MN-
636 AM CDT FRI JUN 29 2018

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 715 AM CDT
FOR NORTHERN ITASCA...KOOCHICHING AND NORTHWESTERN ST. LOUIS
COUNTIES...

At 635 AM CDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from 10 miles north of Big Falls, to 15 miles south of
Littlefork, to 18 miles northwest of Togo, to 6 miles east of Effie,
to near Bigfork, to near Marcell, moving east at 80 mph.

These are very dangerous storms.

HAZARD...80 mph wind gusts.

SOURCE...Radar indicated.

IMPACT...Flying debris will be dangerous to those caught without
shelter. Mobile homes will be heavily damaged. Expect
considerable damage to roofs, windows, and vehicles.
Extensive tree damage and power outages are likely.

Locations impacted include...
Hibbing, International Falls, Lake Vermilion, Mountain Iron,
Littlefork, Cook, Tower, Marcell, Bigfork, Nett Lake, Orr, Big Falls,
Meadow Brook, Ash Lake, Kabetogama, Effie, Squaw Lake, Crane Lake,
Gheen, and Pelland.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

This is an EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION with tornado-like wind
speeds expected. Mobile homes and high profile vehicles are
especially susceptible to winds of this magnitude and may be
overturned. For your protection move to an interior room on the
lowest floor of a building. These storms have the potential to cause
serious injury and significant property damage.






 
06/29/2018 06:39AM  
double post- so here is another look at the radar from a different source.



 
andym
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06/29/2018 07:00AM  
Still low wind in Ely right now but just looked at the radar loop. That is a nasty looking storm. Our group of cabins already lost some trees earlier this spring and damaged one roof. Hoping that most of the week trees have already been weeded out.
 
airmorse
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06/29/2018 07:07AM  
Oh boy. Just saw the radar. Moving east at 80 that means one could expect at least 80mph wind gusts are possible.



 
landoftheskytintedwater
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06/29/2018 07:12AM  
Been watching this. Hope people are aware. Thankfully more people will be up than if this were middle of the night.
 
06/29/2018 07:22AM  
I do not know if this is going to be as bad as 99' (lets hope not) but it sure looks eerily similar in radar presentation and areas affected.
 
PuffinGin
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06/29/2018 07:49AM  
landoftheskytintedwater: "Been watching this. Hope people are aware. Thankfully more people will be up than if this were middle of the night. "


Sending thoughts and prayers to all in the affected area that they stay safe.

I've never been out in anything this severe but recall one storm in Quetico when thunder cell after thunder cell went through with accompanying winds, rain and small tree fell onto our tent which was hastily set up back in the bushes. Just bent the ridgepole and one set of side poles. A long night, just staying in tent sitting on air mattress with sleeping bags still packed and rain suits handy for quick departure if needed.
 
poobah
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06/29/2018 07:54AM  
I am thinking of all the visitors to canoe country up in NE Minnesota during this strong weather system. May everyone live through a memorable adventure up there, with few incidents. Looks like a very big and consequential storm!
 
Dances with Sheep
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06/29/2018 07:56AM  
Wow..just heard the weather warning on WTIP. Reports of 20" trees snapping. I hope everyone is safe.
 
06/29/2018 07:57AM  
20" trees snapped in Babbitt. Not good.


BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Severe Thunderstorm Warning
National Weather Service Duluth MN
752 AM CDT FRI JUN 29 2018

The National Weather Service in Duluth MN has issued a

* Severe Thunderstorm Warning for...
Cook County in northeastern Minnesota...
East central St. Louis County in northeastern Minnesota...
Lake County in northeastern Minnesota...

* Until 845 AM CDT

* At 750 AM CDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from the far western areas of the Boundary Waters Canoe
Area Wilderness, to near White Iron Lake, to 6 miles southeast of
Birch Lake, to 6 miles south of Babbitt, moving east at 75 mph.

These are very dangerous storms.

HAZARD...80 mph wind gusts and half dollar size hail.

SOURCE...Trained weather spotters reported 20 inch trees broken in
Babbitt with these storms.

IMPACT...Flying debris will be dangerous to those caught without
shelter. Mobile homes will be heavily damaged. Expect
considerable damage to roofs, windows, and vehicles.
Extensive tree damage and power outages are likely.

* Locations impacted include...
Ely, Grand Marais, Gunflint Lake, Hoyt Lakes, Babbitt, Biwabik,
Embarrass, Clear Lake, Lutsen, Tofte, Winton, Basswood Lake, Eagle
Mountain, Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness Near Trout Lake,
Birch Lake, White Iron Lake, Taconite Harbor, Saganaga Lake,
Dumbbell Lake, and Hovland.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

This is an EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SITUATION with tornado like wind
speeds expected. Mobile homes and high profile vehicles are
especially susceptible to winds of this magnitude and may be
overturned. For your protection move to an interior room on the
lowest floor of a building. These storms have the potential to cause
serious injury and significant property damage.
 
06/29/2018 08:58AM  
I hope everyone is OK.

I went to a presentation 5 years ago about the July 1999 storm and how the forest is recovering. It was given by a University of Minnesota Forestry researcher. He believed there would be a big increase in strong storms and derechos tracking across the Arrowhead region in the future. He said they believed there were many years of calm by looking at forest disturbances but that was changing. I thought maybe it was just bad luck but after seeing the damage around Ely a few years ago he may be right. Yes it’s not good for those living there or campers. Hope all is well.
 
salukiguy
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06/29/2018 09:36AM  
We left a day early due to the forecast. Saw some others with kids doing the same. Now sitting in a hotel a couple hours south counting our lucky stars.
 
06/29/2018 09:50AM  
Mocha: "july 4, 1999, was the same weather situation and it hit the BWCA big time!"


got lucky there,decided to leave 1 day early,July 3rd that year from the Isabella lake area.
 
andym
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06/29/2018 10:18AM  
Highest gust shown on Ely airport was about 65 mph but not seeing very frequent reports from there so I’m not sure if there could have been higher gusts.

Hoping for the best for everyone.
 
06/29/2018 10:23AM  
I hate bad storms in the BWCA
 
Dances with Sheep
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06/29/2018 11:30AM  
Canoearoo: "I hate bad storms in the BWCA"


+1
 
06/29/2018 11:30AM  
Pinetree: "
Mocha: "july 4, 1999, was the same weather situation and it hit the BWCA big time!"



got lucky there,decided to leave 1 day early,July 3rd that year from the Isabella lake area.
"


Me too. I left on the 3rd. Glad I did...
 
06/29/2018 12:56PM  
It came through Houghton Michigan around noon today. Luckily it's bark was worse than it's bite here. It got dark and poured briefly but then cleared up shortly after. A lot of people are still digging out from the Father's day storm.

Hex
 
06/29/2018 03:10PM  
Any reports of damage or injuries in the BWCA yet? Looks like Eagles Nest got hit pretty hard.

Ely Echo Article

JD
 
jolson785
  
06/29/2018 03:49PM  
We had campers up just north of Moose Lake on Birch Lake last evening - is there any news of damage or injured campers up there? I can't find anything or any updates. Thanks.
 
06/29/2018 04:25PM  
 
Me2012
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06/29/2018 09:33PM  
We were coming off of the Brule this morning when the storm hit. We were 15 min from the EP when we took to shore to ride it out. Heavy rain and wind.
 
Eyedocron
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06/29/2018 09:54PM  
My crew in 1999 had just left the Quetico and out Moose Lake that day. We were in a motel in Two Harbors then on south the next day. The news was full of pictures of wind devastation, including Scout groups taking two days just to go from Wind Lake to Moose in two days.
Next year, going up Moose/Sucker saw almost every tree on the east shore blown down, then into Emerald in Quetico devastation and signs posted that a burn was to take place that fall.
If you go into BWCA or Quetico, you must know these are not amusement parks/ They are real nature rules natural areas.
 
Eyedocron
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06/29/2018 10:10PM  
Went back to Emerald Lake 5 years ago. Amazing how fast recovery occurs.
 
muddyfeet
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06/30/2018 12:50PM  
This was our planned exit day. First trip with the 3 and 6 year olds, camped on Pierz Lake from East Bearskin Entry. After a warm, humid, night we woke up at 7:00 with the low, intermittent rumbling of very distant but big thunder. Almost questioning if we were even hearing it at all. In a reference to '93 Jurassic Park, my wife looked at me and said, "Maybe that's the power trying to come back on..." We shared a good laugh, but then started packing the kids up. The sky was mostly clear with maybe some high clouds, but with a limited view to the west while standing at the edge of the lake we could see the dark edge on the horizon. We took down the tent and gathered packs under the tarp as the thunder grew steadily louder, then ate breakfast down by the lake as we watched the dark front advance toward us.

It almost seemed to break up as it grew closer into a spectacular striated cloud pattern- almost like a rainbow of grey colors. For a moment I thought it might resolve before it hit us, but the sky did reform into a classic wall cloud: an advancing black band with a sharp lower edge trailing a curtain of deep greenish grey- flashing with the lightning contained within. That is always an ominous sight to see when the air around you is perfectly still and peaceful. I quickly made sure that camp was buttoned down and ready. The first raindrops fell, and in the time it took us to walk back to the tarp we turned around to see the lake churning with windblown whitecaps; and on this small lake with only 100yds or so of upwind reach from the west. Storms like this always seem to jump upon you faster then you expect.

The tarp was a 12x10 I sewed myself from 1.1oz silpoly that had already proven itself when a storm blew at my exposed campsite on Ramshead lake this past May.
I love the art of the tarp hang, and at this camp I feel like I had achieved the perfect tarp: high enough to stand at points, but still blocking any windblown rain, angled enough on both sides to prevent water pooling on top but still giving us a good view of the lake, and placed where it covered the best "tabletop rock" in camp and still shed water in directions that wouldn't run rivers beneath the tarp. Our site had enough surrounding trees to be fairly protected from wind; and perhaps the storm did loose some energy before crossing the gunflint as I witnessed a couple broken branches but no down trees (plenty of down trees later along the highway from two harbors to moose lake). The terrain and trees were such that I felt fairly safe from any ground lightning.

Just after the gust-front came the dark. It hit us at 8:50 am, after the sun had been up for three hours, but it got much darker than the kids had seen at any time during this near-solstice trip. An f2.6 lens wasn't fast enough to avoid blur and forced flash photos outdoors during daytime. It blended in with the lightning just fine. The kids were awestruck by the storm. Maybe a little scared, but their parents stayed calm enough that they didn't get any cues that there was anything to be frightened of. We drank coffee and cocoa and counted seconds between lightning strikes and thunder reports. We stayed in our 12x10 plot of dry pine needles and played tic-tac-toe beneath the tarp as we watched the blowing front subside into a steady rain with regular thunder.

It was about two hours total before the thunder again became a very distant and intermittent low rumble. We took down the tarp around 11:00, loaded the canoe and set off towards the entry, without further rain but with a stiff (now east) wind at our backs.

Not the worst storm I've weathered, but it sounds like it was more intense to the west of us an hour or so earlier.
 
06/30/2018 03:03PM  
muddyfeet, that is a great read. I especially like how you and your wife handled the storm in front of your kids. They will remember how calmly you acted during the worst of the storm. One of our wildland firefighting orders comes to mind. "keep calm, think clearly, act decisively." You guys have that one nailed! Larry
 
06/30/2018 03:32PM  
That's a fabulous report, muddyfeet! I never would have been that calm! I admire you greatly!
 
06/30/2018 05:32PM  
We were camped on Nina Moose on Friday morning when this storm came through. (Also paddled by DiceCupMaker, hope he sees this)

We woke up around 6:00am to the sound of distant rumbling. We quickly got out of our tent and started cleaning camp, checking tarps etc. We had a good view of the west as the storm approached, and the clouds looked relatively unimpressive. I was caught off guard by its intensity.
I'd say this was the highest winds ive experienced while camping. We had torrential rain consistent high winds for approximately 30 mins. I have no idea how high the gusts were, but we had 3 large trees snapped off just behind our camp. We were surprised as we hadn't even heard them crack. Our neighbor in the campsite to our north also found their canoe floating in the lake about 200 yards away.

All in all, very cool to experience for the first time but scary in the moment.
 
dicecupmaker
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06/30/2018 09:23PM  
Wish I had more time to chat! We were paddling up stream on Moose! A lot of young kids groups going in that morning! (Thursday am/pm) I hope all went well for them. We offered help to carry packs and the group leader said, "No! They can pack it all in."
 
anthonylane
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07/01/2018 11:44AM  
We got hit pretty hard on Bald Eagle Lake/Gabbro Friday morning. Hefty winds picked up shortly after 7 am and lasted for at least an hour. Hard to say what the gusts were, but they had to be 50+. Looking out toward the lake you couldn't see more than 10 feet. A 16" cedar come down about 50 yards from camp...no one was near. It didn't seem as bad as everyone said it was in Ely. Maybe we missed the worst of it...but, definitely the worst storm I have weathered in 9 years. Overall the week had quite the weather, we had thunder/rain Wed, Thurs, Friday.
 
07/01/2018 12:06PM  
anthonylane: "We got hit pretty hard on Bald Eagle Lake/Gabbro Friday morning. Hefty winds picked up shortly after 7 am and lasted for at least an hour. Hard to say what the gusts were, but they had to be 50+. Looking out toward the lake you couldn't see more than 10 feet. A 16" cedar come down about 50 yards from camp...no one was near. It didn't seem as bad as everyone said it was in Ely. Maybe we missed the worst of it...but, definitely the worst storm I have weathered in 9 years. Overall the week had quite the weather, we had thunder/rain Wed, Thurs, Friday. "


Curios did your tent leak? I always have a good feeling and proud if my tent holds up to a good soaking.
 
proepro
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07/01/2018 08:52PM  
muddyfeet: "



The tarp was a 12x10 I sewed myself from 1.1oz silpoly that had already proven itself when a storm blew at my exposed campsite on Ramshead lake this past May.
I love the art of the tarp hang, and at this camp I feel like I had achieved the perfect tarp: high enough to stand at points, but still blocking any windblown rain, angled enough on both sides to prevent water pooling on top but still giving us a good view of the lake, and placed where it covered the best "tabletop rock" in camp and still shed water in directions that wouldn't run rivers beneath the tarp. Our site had enough surrounding trees to be fairly protected from wind; and perhaps the storm did loose some energy before crossing the gunflint as I witnessed a couple broken branches but no down trees (plenty of down trees later along the highway from two harbors to moose lake). The terrain and trees were such that I felt fairly safe from any ground lightning.


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Muddyfeet, how about starting a new thread and teching the rest of us "the art of the tarp hang"?

 
07/02/2018 09:05AM  
big duckling and I had just finished setting up camp on Caribou (the one near Clearwater) so we were close to muddyfeet. The storm came in the same way and did the same thing for us. We sat under the tarp watching the show and enjoying our new temporary home. Timing was perfect as the storm hit minutes after setting up the tent which we did after tying up the canoe and setting up the tarp.

After our trip we found out that the guys at Rockwood went out in their boats to help a group that had swamped a couple of their canoes trying to cross Poplar when the storm hit. The group had rented one of Rockwoods inreach devices.

 
07/02/2018 11:47AM  
dicecupmaker: "Wish I had more time to chat! We were paddling up stream on Moose! A lot of young kids groups going in that morning! (Thursday am/pm) I hope all went well for them. We offered help to carry packs and the group leader said, "No! They can pack it all in.""


dicecupmaker -

This was my first trip up the moose river and I also noticed quite a few young groups. It was nice to be a 2-man group and jump through the crowded portages.
Thursday was a beautiful day for a paddle, and we really enjoyed the tree diversity on the river. I'll be trying the Little Indian Sioux River North route later this July. Hope to catch up with you sometime!
 
anthonylane
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07/03/2018 07:29AM  
Pinetree: "
anthonylane: "We got hit pretty hard on Bald Eagle Lake/Gabbro Friday morning. Hefty winds picked up shortly after 7 am and lasted for at least an hour. Hard to say what the gusts were, but they had to be 50+. Looking out toward the lake you couldn't see more than 10 feet. A 16" cedar come down about 50 yards from camp...no one was near. It didn't seem as bad as everyone said it was in Ely. Maybe we missed the worst of it...but, definitely the worst storm I have weathered in 9 years. Overall the week had quite the weather, we had thunder/rain Wed, Thurs, Friday. "



Curios did your tent leak? I always have a good feeling and proud if my tent holds up to a good soaking."


Tent did not leak. I had guy lines tied down and an inner floor liner (2 mil plastic) along with the footprint. Other tent in camp did leak through the floor. I suspect some of the rain came in under the rain fly. The hammock that our other member used was damn near sideways in the wind, his bag got wet.
 
anthonylane
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07/03/2018 07:32AM  
ducks: "big duckling and I had just finished setting up camp on Caribou (the one near Clearwater) so we were close to muddyfeet. The storm came in the same way and did the same thing for us. We sat under the tarp watching the show and enjoying our new temporary home. Timing was perfect as the storm hit minutes after setting up the tent which we did after tying up the canoe and setting up the tarp.

After our trip we found out that the guys at Rockwood went out in their boats to help a group that had swamped a couple of their canoes trying to cross Poplar when the storm hit. The group had rented one of Rockwoods inreach devices.


"


Wow! Poplar would be a long paddle in bad conditions. Sounds like Carl and company have been active this season...I believe they helped with the Gaskin rescue a few weeks back. Good guys.
 
07/03/2018 09:32AM  
We rode this storm out on Lake 3 that morning. This pic shows us holding down the leading edge of our tarp, but this wasn't the worst of it...that was yet to come. We heard later on that a reporting station near lake 1 recorded a 90 MPH gust. Trees across the channel were falling down. I told my crew that if we were home, you'd be hiding in your basement, but out here you get to experience this raw natural event first hand. It was pretty exciting. You don't talk about the days of blue skies and sunshine, you remember and talk about these storms like they are badges of honor to brag about.
 
salukiguy
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07/03/2018 10:47AM  
dadof6: "We rode this storm out on Lake 3 that morning. This pic shows us holding down the leading edge of our tarp, but this wasn't the worst of it...that was yet to come. We heard later on that a reporting station near lake 1 recorded a 90 MPH gust. Trees across the channel were falling down. I told my crew that if we were home, you'd be hiding in your basement, but out here you get to experience this raw natural event first hand. It was pretty exciting. You don't talk about the days of blue skies and sunshine, you remember and talk about these storms like they are badges of honor to brag about. "


I was on Lake 3 the day before and we pulled out early due to the forecast. Kids would have been terrified and I want them to come back some time.
 
anthonylane
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07/03/2018 01:53PM  
dadof6: "We rode this storm out on Lake 3 that morning. This pic shows us holding down the leading edge of our tarp, but this wasn't the worst of it...that was yet to come. We heard later on that a reporting station near lake 1 recorded a 90 MPH gust. Trees across the channel were falling down. I told my crew that if we were home, you'd be hiding in your basement, but out here you get to experience this raw natural event first hand. It was pretty exciting. You don't talk about the days of blue skies and sunshine, you remember and talk about these storms like they are badges of honor to brag about. "


Another notch on the belt in terms of what you can handle. I appreciate these moments because it gives you confidence and a sense of pride knowing you've experienced some of the worst weather you can encounter on one of these trips.
 
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