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mastertangler
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09/24/2018 02:25PM
I have recently become obsessed with an upcoming snook and redfish venture and am reacquainting myself with the tackle and technique improvements in the salt water inshore scene. Quite a bit of advancement since I was last involved.

The crossover application with lure possibilities for fresh water is very strong. However note the use of Nomad Tackles in-line single hooks as opposed to trebles. Nomad is not alone with the use of in line hooks with companies such as Rapala also joining in. The advantages are rather obvious............ particularly with big fish, braided line and pulled or straightened hooks. Ever have your treble hook bend out straight resulting in a lost fish while using braid? I certainly have. The deeper and stronger bite of a single hook is a comforting thought.

In one of the Nomad tackles videos they explain the importance of securing the in-line belly hook against the body of the lure otherwise the hook may ride up along the side of the plug. They suggest using a small cable tie but I am looking at smallish rubber bands to secure the single hook against the belly of the lure and expanding the concept to other offerings besides Nomad........Picture 2 single In-line hooks on a Zara Spook for example. The rear free swinging and the belly hook secured via a smallish rubber band.........or maybe just changing out the rear hook for a single and leaving the belly treble, lots of options.

While many of Nomad tackles lures appear huge, that is not really the case. Numerous 3" and 4" models are available. Incredible colors and quality. The Maverick, Madscad and that popper look very interesting. I also like some of their glide baits. Nice stuff, check it out. A bit out of the box but you can probably bet the fish haven't seen these before.



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rdmarr
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09/25/2018 06:31AM
Very interesting concept, which makes a lot of sense with a strong single hook.
I am headed to the gulf in a month to target reds and specks in some lagoons and bays in a kayak and this is something to consider. This may not make an impact on the smaller(less than 10 lbs) but could play a factor in landing a big aggressive fish in saltwater or freshwater.
mastertangler
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09/25/2018 06:59AM
rdmarr: "Very interesting concept, which makes a lot of sense with a strong single hook.
I am headed to the gulf in a month to target reds and specks in some lagoons and bays in a kayak and this is something to consider. This may not make an impact on the smaller(less than 10 lbs) but could play a factor in landing a big aggressive fish in saltwater or freshwater."


Whats the plan? Popping cork and shrimp or plugs and plastics? Are you far enough south to target snook? There is little doubt in my mind that Quetico Mikes Z-man set up (including the all important swivel) would be an absolute killer on reds and trout. I used to use the large Bass Assassin slug lure in silver fleck to score on larger trout. I am also a big proponent of cut ladyfish still fished on the bottom in holes during low tide. Deadly on big reds (and catfish and sharks ;-)

Note how Rapala is using single in line hooks on even their smaller offerings. This would be an awesome offering out of your Yak BTW just match with a 20lb Fluorocarbon leader via an FG knot if no big snook are around.

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rdmarr
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09/25/2018 07:32AM
MT,
Going to little lagoon and Perdido area in Mobile Al. Mornings going to try top water Zara Spook then swim bait(Z-Man and Bass assassin). Will try to troll some crank baits but not sure on contour. We will prob be getting some live shrimp and use on a slip sinker some. If all else fails we will go surf fishing and catch some hard heads and black tip sharks just to say we caught something :). Carrying my dad(71) before he gets to where he cant fish anymore and 2 of my brother which have little experience. First time in this area I usually go to ST Augustine's Salt run and Panama's Camp Helen and ST Andrews area. I would love to go Snook fishing for I have never caught one. Where you Headed on your Trip?
mastertangler
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09/25/2018 10:27AM
rdmarr: "MT,
Going to little lagoon and Perdido area in Mobile Al. Mornings going to try top water Zara Spook then swim bait(Z-Man and Bass assassin). Will try to troll some crank baits but not sure on contour. We will prob be getting some live shrimp and use on a slip sinker some. If all else fails we will go surf fishing and catch some hard heads and black tip sharks just to say we caught something :). Carrying my dad(71) before he gets to where he cant fish anymore and 2 of my brother which have little experience. First time in this area I usually go to ST Augustine's Salt run and Panama's Camp Helen and ST Andrews area. I would love to go Snook fishing for I have never caught one. Where you Headed on your Trip?"


Not at all familiar with the area you will be fishing. Not a fan of slip sinkers and shrimp however........good combo for pinfish, grunts, catfish and other bait stealers. Have you considered a Cajun Thunder? They are tough to beat. Just lift and drop to create some noise. Shrimp can be hooked up through the horn with a Capt Hank Brown Hook up jig. Just a plain jig head, with or without some sort of popping cork or Cajun thunder, with a shrimp is much better than a slip sinker and shrimp (you are likely to get picked clean without realizing it). A good slip sinker bait is a butterflied pinfish or a chunk of ladyfish fished patiently on the bottom.

Lagoon?................. Fishing docks then? Rip rap walls? Passes? The Spook is time honored and just might take the biggest fish of the trip. But my wrists get tired after a while and lots of blow ups and they often miss the bait. A little tip on Spooks is to drill a tiny hole and use a syringe to add a little vegetable oil. Then seal with a drop of super glue. Your Spook will sit lower in the water and consequently move more water when worked. Its a tiny bit less buoyant, better! You can work it a fraction of a second slower while still moving lots of water.........the fish can target the lure better as well.

You REALLY need to look into Quetico Mikes fluke style fishing with the Z man lures. He has written an entire article about the "system". It would be a cant miss for reds and trout. 20lb braid to the swivel and then about 14 to 18" of 20lb fluorocarbon for what you intend to do. Its also an excellent big fish lure. If I had only one lure to take flats fishing it would probably be that. I used to do very well on the large Bass assassin fluke (actually more of a big slug) style lure. I could cast it very far, which was important in shallow clear water, and score on nice big trout.

I am hopefully heading down into the southern part of Everglades National park in December and putting in at Flamingo and heading deep into the backcountry. Hells Bay is high on the list as is the Roberts and Watson rivers which drain the Everglades. Tarpon, snook and redfish are the primary targets. I figure 8 or 9 days on the water without resupply. Just camping and fishing! Oh yea! I didn't get my fishing fix this past August so here goes.........I used to fish the northern part of the park for a few decades, this will be new territory. Very juiced about it. Hoping to spring for a micro power pole so I can press a button on a remote and stick the bottom whenever I want instead of constantly dropping anchor (can you say "hassle"). Took the Nomad lure plunge last night.......Madscad, Maverick, Riptide and both topwater offerings are on their way. Just what I need, more lures LOL.

This is sort of a cool video on the Cajun Thunder. I like them a bit better than a straight popping cork unless its choppy out. After what I have seen in the briny stuff I know my feet would not be dangling in the water while i revive fish next to them ;-)

Cajun thunder Kayak fishing

Here is the Hells Bay Canoe trail, kind of a nifty little video. I will be coming into Hells Bay via a bit larger stream and using my Honda 30 four stroke and camping at the Chickee rather than paddling. Supposedly excellent fishing in the maze which is Hells Bay.

Hells Bay canoe trail

I should be working but its afternoon "Tea time". Here is how to Butterfly a bait. You can catch pinfish or grunts with a bit of squid. I prefer to start at the tail and work up to the gills on either side and then rip out the backbone. Not to be underestimated.....Nice sized 5/0 hook through the lips of the bait (make sure it is not hooked so deep into the bait that it fails to rip out of the bait into the fish when you get a bite)....keep a close watch on your rod while fishing this........while it hasn't happened to me I have seen still fished rods off of piers go airborne right into the drink like they were shot out of a cannon.

Butterflied baits
rdmarr
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09/25/2018 01:58PM
MT,
Sounds like a great trip planned, hope all goes well. I will have to do some research on a trip in that area. Thanks for all info on saltwater fishing for I still have a lot to learn and value your expertise. living 6-7 hrs away from saltwater its hard to get the trial and error part worked out quickly. I have not used the slip sinker much and thought I would give it another chance but now maybe not. I have hooked live shrimp through the horn on bobber at some jetties and worked ok. I had QM send me some of his articles some time back and they are great. I will defiantly try some of your suggested techniques. It will still prob be some continuing trial and error.
mastertangler
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09/25/2018 05:43PM
rdmarr: "MT,
Sounds like a great trip planned, hope all goes well. I will have to do some research on a trip in that area. Thanks for all info on saltwater fishing for I still have a lot to learn and value your expertise. living 6-7 hrs away from saltwater its hard to get the trial and error part worked out quickly. I have not used the slip sinker much and thought I would give it another chance but now maybe not. I have hooked live shrimp through the horn on bobber at some jetties and worked ok. I had QM send me some of his articles some time back and they are great. I will defiantly try some of your suggested techniques. It will still prob be some continuing trial and error."


If I knew the kind of place you are fishing I could offer some specific advice. On the flats I like a D.O.A. shrimp in glo under a Cajun thunder................... or maybe a glide type bait like this Mirrolure. I will be fishing several of these style baits on my trip. Gliding baits are usually better than wobbling type baits in salt water. Twitch, twitch, then a 2 or 3 ft glide, WHAM!

The Spook or other topwater lures will get the most exciting hits however. There is nothing quite like a gator trout blowing up on a topwater. It has always reminded me of a kitchen sink being dropped into the water from an airplane. Its kinda surreal. Here is south Florida the biggest trout are often found in the shallowest water. If I am catching 14" and 16" trout in 5ft of water I leave them and sneak into 2ft. I look for grass with sand potholes. The gator trout are often found very shallow here in south florida which is polar opposite to what most folks would think. But I am not familiar with your area so that advice might not stand but put it into the back of your noggin for consideration if your not getting trout in the upper 20's. Patience and absolute silence are the watchwords when stalking big trout in skinny water. Right when you think they are not there you will get surprised. Big ones tend to "pack up" in groups of 5 or 6 so land the first one quietly and expect a few more. Make a bunch of noise and its game over.

If the water is a bit deeper, say 8 or 10 ft, I would use a jig head and a plastic of some sort without a float. If the water is off color you could add a safety pin spinner to the jig head (Slayer makes the absolute best). That combo is a redfish killer in a wide variety of circumstances. Your jig heads have to stand up to the punishment of salt water fish......typical walleye jig heads won't work. The Slayer site has quality jig heads as well.

I like pulling up to a spot next to structure of some sort with some current running, anchoring up and tossing out a handful of cut ladyfish chunks (a bleach bottle with the bottom cut out and affixed to a cut broom handle of say 18" makes an ideal tool for flinging the chum a decent distance). I then toss out a piece of bait into the chum spread and put the reel into Bait runner mode and then pick up another rod and do some work with it while waiting for a bite. If one is around they will let you know quite quickly.

I dont usually fish with live shrimp unless a strong cold front has come through..........and then its live shrimp and light lines and quiet presentations.

You would be hard pressed to do better than the D.O.A. shrimp under a Cajun Thunder or the Slayer spinnerbaits. Check out their site. Gold is the right color.

Slayer
mastertangler
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09/26/2018 08:07AM
Moving right along.........

I think we will see a stronger and stronger move towards single in-line hooks particularly if the pros and the magazines get on board. The main advantage is less pulled hooks as the single hook certainly gets a much deeper bite on the fish. That could prove very helpful especially in places like the Quetico with the barbless hook law.

I have fished my entire life and no one will be able to convince me that few, if any, fish are lost due to barbless round bend treble hooks. This is especially true if you fish solo and fish without a net. Get the fish boat side and reach for a boga or fish gripper and expect the fish to say bye-bye.

Another less obvious consideration is the noise presented via split rings and treble hooks. (yes, they give off plenty of racket even with lures without rattles). An in-line hook connects to the lure without split rings and is thus a quieter presentation. Of course that is open to some debate.........is quieter better? My answer is "perhaps" particularly with bigger fish and clear water.

Did anyone notice the little popper made by Nomad? Might be a very nice offering for mid july smallmouths. This popper gives off quite a loud bloop and could conceivably bring fish up from considerable depths. Check it out.......I am fairly certain that this smallish popper is equipped with treble hooks. The video on how to use is hilarious.......KERSPLOOSH!!

Chug Norris
mastertangler
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09/28/2018 09:05AM
Nomad lure reviews

Whoa! Awesome stuff and exceeded my hopes. I cant wait to give them a go. Cast them in my canal this morning and was very pleased.

The Dartwing, which you are able to skip on the surface and walk the dog, looks to be an excellent snook offering. In canoe country it would certainly take pike and smallmouths. I did not really get it to skip, but there was no waves in which to get a nice launch angle. It did, however, spit water nicely and walk the dog rather easily.

The Riptide (115MM) is simply an amazing big fish lure. I have the slow sinking model........sinks level but when snapped with braid it darts nicely off to the side all while giving a very realistic tail kick. Oh boy, what a plug! It will be fun until a big tarpon takes it away from me ;-)

In Canoe country the Riptide would be super for pike. I like lures for pike that you are able to stop and have them glide slowly down and then dart away. The slow sinking 115 would be great for deep weeds or rock points. Fairly good sized lure and won't behave very well with walleye tackle. Not sure how well it would perform trolling but casting and twitching or snapping it seems like it should really produce.

Both finishes and paint jobs excel. The Riptide, which I got in a halo gold color, gives off a bunch of flash on the snap. Perfect! Nomad tackle.........who knew?
GickFirk22
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10/03/2018 11:04PM
mastertangler: "Nomad lure reviews


Whoa! Awesome stuff and exceeded my hopes. I cant wait to give them a go. Cast them in my canal this morning and was very pleased.


The Dartwing, which you are able to skip on the surface and walk the dog, looks to be an excellent snook offering. In canoe country it would certainly take pike and smallmouths. I did not really get it to skip, but there was no waves in which to get a nice launch angle. It did, however, spit water nicely and walk the dog rather easily.


The Riptide (115MM) is simply an amazing big fish lure. I have the slow sinking model........sinks level but when snapped with braid it darts nicely off to the side all while giving a very realistic tail kick. Oh boy, what a plug! It will be fun until a big tarpon takes it away from me ;-)


In Canoe country the Riptide would be super for pike. I like lures for pike that you are able to stop and have them glide slowly down and then dart away. The slow sinking 115 would be great for deep weeds or rock points. Fairly good sized lure and won't behave very well with walleye tackle. Not sure how well it would perform trolling but casting and twitching or snapping it seems like it should really produce.


Both finishes and paint jobs excel. The Riptide, which I got in a halo gold color, gives off a bunch of flash on the snap. Perfect! Nomad tackle.........who knew?"


MT, I've decided I like you. HA! I relate to your desire to find lures and tackle that fish likely haven't seen (or at least that most other guys wont have in their kit). I play that role in the group I often trip with. They're always asking where I got this lure or that and if they can borrow it (um, no...I'll sell it to you for $50 though :) ...supply and demand). Fishing is nothing short of "solving the puzzle" and I enjoy having as many unique patterns and pieces in my kit to solve it with. Keep it up and keep us informed. Your out loud processing is educational and informative for me and many others here. I'm probably going to be adding one of these to my kit now...That Riptide is awesome looking...along with some Shadzillas. I'll tip my hat to you once they produce for me.

On a side note, I read your personal update and think the work you're doing to get in shape/healthy is both awesome and inspiring. At 35 I'm starting to already feel "it" and need to get ahead of it to stave off the inevitable decline for as long as possible. As you related your hope and strength coming from Above I'll leave you with this from Habakkuk 3:19 (one of my favorites). "The Sovereign Lord is my strength; he makes my feet like the feet of a deer, he enables me to tread on the heights" Be well!
mastertangler
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10/05/2018 06:59AM
Hey GickFirck22 thanks for the encouragement........it's not often someone quotes from Habakkuk but it's an awesome scripture and I am going to claim it and internalize it. I am a strong proponent in praying the Lords Word back to Him because he is jealous over His Word and will perform it. Will it return void from that which it is sent to do?

I have found an abundance of crossover in salt water applications to fresh water and fresh to salt. I used to be a fish-a-holic and was always wetting a line. Then I opened my own business and now I spend all my time thinking about fishing and getting ready to go but hardly ever going it due to responsibilities. My annual canoe trip was a way to fish hard for almost a month and it lets me get my fix. I was heartbroken when the trip crashed. Super focused on a backcountry trip in Everglades national park for snook and reds and tarpon in December. Should be fun.

Yes, you would be wise to start a daily workout regime. Watch out for Arthritis......it seems like it's somebody else's problem until it sneaks up on you. Is it genetics or diet? I highly suspect it might be a bit of both. Probably all I needed to do was a big cup of Kale juice once a day and it would of countered the high acid diet of coffee, bread and pasta and burgers and steak. All I can tell you is eat more vegetables!
 
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