A couple of years along the Border Route Trail, near the top of the Stairway Portage by Rose Lake, we found an area which we believe was an old campsite. In a crevice near a tree we found a tin can containing "hamburgers and gravy". This was buried about 5 inches or so beneth the ground. It looked like the can was from the 1970's. We brought it back to our outfitters for a bit of "show and tell".
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Never done it myself, but have heard of others that bring snorkeling equipment and check out the areas below rapids for artifacts. Makes sense to look where stuff may be due to flip overs. A friend found some logging tools in one spot where he did this. Don't know what the rules are, but think that artifacts should be left where found (unless the "artifact" has a UPC code on it, then it should definitely be brought home as a "find"). Alpine- how were the hamburgers and gravy?
"The trouble with the world isn't that people know too little, but that they know so much that just ain't so."
Mark Twain
there is stuff laying around all over the place.just look around points and islands where you would tell yourself that it would be a good spot to move in and set up a cabin and never have to go home.
as i don't want people to find these places and take away the cast iron nameplates and such lets just say i found this around LLC.
one of the best artifacts i found was on a island near Tiger Bay.it was a fire grate made from ox shoes and iron bars.what made it so neat was that i had seen the same thing in a 1920's "make you own gear" camping book.the photo of it is on a slide someplace and i put the grate far back in the woods.it looked like one of those good ideas that did not work in real life as the iron bars that were to hold the pots had slumped to the ground from the heat..which is why the former owner tossed it back in the woods where i found it.
I have been compiling a list of artifacts in the BWCA with the idea of publishing it sometime. There have been concerns expressed, however, that some of the relics could "walk off" if attention were drawn to them. However, if someone is going on a particular route and wants to know about artifacts on a certain lake, I would be glad to share this information with them.
my wife is a member of the Native Plant Society here in Minnesota and i have course been to a few of the meeting,lots of people and very well done by the way. one of the projects was a wildflower drive from Western Mn into Iowa with guides and road signs.this would be all back road driving.there was a lot of concern that pointing out the location of rare plants would bring in Wildcrafters who would dig them up just for the roots and such. most of the artifacts laying around the BW are just junk from logging camps and resorts some of which would be better removed unless the Park Service wants to create "ghost camps" like the towns out West that are look but don't touch historic sites.
Logging camps and resorts are part of the BW history and many of us have enjoyed finding them and relating them to the area's past. The Forest Service is very specific about leaving them where they are and that's the reason I've never published the book.
Yeah keep in mind the strict rules on taking out artifacts, if a ranger were to catch you with anything they considered a historic artifact you could be in trouble.
Only artifact I have ever found and taken out was the "lucky spoon" we found on the trip we forgot our silverware, it even had the owners name engraved on it, and you could tell it was rather old, but it was not near a logging camp.
The creation of a thousand forests is in a single acorn- Ralph Waldo Emerson
This question wasn't intended to "find and remove" any artifacts, merely interested in the stories and pictures. Although I seriously doubt anyone finding an arrowhead or pictograph rock would leave it set in its place. Thank you for replies or if anyone knows of reading literature on this let me know, Thanks hope to hear from others.
Thanks rlhedlund....I appreciate the link. It really makes me wonder who was using this iron stove. Maybe a logging camp or cabin was located in the location of this artifact.
THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. - Hunter S. Thompson
quote Wilderness Mama: "Logging camps and resorts are part of the BW history and many of us have enjoyed finding them and relating them to the area's past. The Forest Service is very specific about leaving them where they are and that's the reason I've never published the book. "
Not really expecting an answer. Just thinking out loud. :)
Seems kinda strange/inconsistent that the forest service would say that? When you consider the lengths they went to buy/force people out, all in the name of LNT & returning the area to "wilderness." I wonder....how do they make the determination that something is an artifact & not just garbage? Because that's literally what it all was at one time.
Don't get me wrong. IMHO I think running across things such as this can be a very fascinating aspect (and would/can be a highlight) of travel in canoe country. And,it's even better when there's a story behind it. But, I just think it's an interesting quandary.
For instance: Last spring my wife & I ran across a hidden camp up on Gadwall lake. Most of what was there was clearly fairly recently added. And, at the end of the day, we were both disgusted by the blatant disregard for the rules. But, there were a few items we stumbled across that had clearly been there for several decades. And, I must admit, was kinda cool to see.
Certainly it seems that the extreme ends of this equation can clearly be defined as black & white. But, it also seems, there is a fair amount of "gray" area in the middle? :)
Hope I didn't come across as preachy? I just think this topic provides some interesting food for thought?
I have found standing outhouses,two gold mine shafts, barrel rings, pipes, wires for radios, cathode ray tubes from radios, lanterns, pop top beer cans, cast iron stoves.
I've found plenty of logging artifacts. You know, stuff like chains, spikes and log pikes. The most interesting item I found was a bottle marked "Great Blood and Rheumatism Cure - Superior Wisc." It was old and had a crack in it but it thought it was pretty darn neat. Not as cool as a car in the woods but almost as cool...
Watch out for that rock!!!........ Oooo.... That's going to leave a mark...
Found a 1902 Quarter on an island site on Lower Basswood. Would have liked to include a picture, however I believe it ended up in a vending machine in Ely. Might have been one expensive Mt. Dew....
If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles. ~Doug Larson
Most recently found two scalpers (trade knives) in a crevice of the rock at Rebecca Falls. Returned them to their original spot. My conjecture is they were an offering to the Manidoo of the falls.
Found at various times, pieces of pottery from the Laurel Culture (Cree), and beads and items fashioned from trade kettles (pendents or ear rings).
Some of my older relations have found some very interesting things.
It's amazing what can be found just off the portage trails sometimes. Especially on the heavily traveled routes off the Fernberg road. I wonder if the Pagami Creek fire will expose some of these things?
Guess I'll add the old saw blade located near Disappointment lake on the Old Pines Hiking Trail.
I have found many old items, mostly can piles and barrels. However, I also found these: Old chain on Loon Lake, possibly a boom chain from logging days.
Railroad iron of some type, Swan lake.
Thanks for submitting everyone, some interesting stuff!
I dont want to hi jack the thread, but i'll be in the crooked lake area, other than the pictos and the waterfalls, what other artifacts can i see nearby for pictures...
quote fisherjay: "I dont want to hi jack the thread, but i'll be in the crooked lake area, other than the pictos and the waterfalls, what other artifacts can i see nearby for pictures..."
More of a natural "artifact." But Table Rock is located on Crooked lake. Also, there is an old resort site near Curtain Falls. If you poke around there a bit you're likely to find some things. I know there is plane wreckage near there.
Once while fishing I hooked onto a leather pouch. I didn't look at it close as it smelled but it looked very old. I threw it on shore and didn't bother to check it again
Between John Lake and Royal Lake there is the Royal River. There are rapids just off of John, as the Royal River flows into Royal Lake. Once you clear the rapids there is a wide body of calm water.
I was looking at the bottom as we glided by one time and I saw a sunken row boat. It looked to be in good condition, it had some rocks in it, but not enough to sink it.
I also found a RubberMaid bin behind a campsite on the Kawishiwi River, nice.
Old trappers cabin on the Crooked lake end of portage trail to Gillis." I believe this is one of the trapper's shacks built by "Tame Tom Parent" and "Wild Bill Pemble" - part of the "Hundred Mile Trapline." Northern most shack was on Ottertrack.
quote RaisedByBears99: "I believe this is one of the trapper's shacks built by "Tame Tom Parent" and "Wild Bill Pemble" - part of the "Hundred Mile Trapline." Northern most shack was on Ottertrack." Thanks for the quick history lesson. I really appreciate it. Those type of things really intrigue/interest me.
I don't know that I would call this an artifact, but I still have no idea what this may be from. It appears as though the rock has been scratched towards the little "hole" in the center. If anyone has any idea on what this may be from I would be quite curious. My only thought is possibly Native Americans used it as an area to start fires or make tools.
quote TuscaroraBorealis: "quote RaisedByBears99: "I believe this is one of the trapper's shacks built by "Tame Tom Parent" and "Wild Bill Pemble" - part of the "Hundred Mile Trapline." Northern most shack was on Ottertrack." Thanks for the quick history lesson. I really apprecite it. Those type of things really intrigue/interest me." Approx every ten miles they had a shack and a dugout canoe. A 2nd cousin of mine has one of the dugouts. Very nice piece of work. Ive seen another, back in a bog on the edge of a lake, but I'm not 100%a sure which lake. Will check with my uncle. In bwca though.
I've found flint shards and pottery pieces on Lac La Croix, as well as rings used to anchor log booms, mouldering log cabin remains, a woodstove, and old dump sites in other parts of the BWCA. I've also found quartzite spearheads and scrapers along remote lakes in northern Ontario and the arctic tundra.
Considering how long people have been in North America there must be a LOT of stuff out there.
quote RaisedByBears99: "quote TuscaroraBorealis: "quote RaisedByBears99: "I believe this is one of the trapper's shacks built by "Tame Tom Parent" and "Wild Bill Pemble" - part of the "Hundred Mile Trapline." Northern most shack was on Ottertrack." Thanks for the quick history lesson. I really apprecite it. Those type of things really intrigue/interest me." Approx every ten miles they had a shack and a dugout canoe. A 2nd cousin of mine has one of the dugouts. Very nice piece of work. Ive seen another, back in a bog on the edge of a lake, but I'm not 100%a sure which lake. Will check with my uncle. In bwca though." This is probably part of the same line. Found it behind my campsite on narrows between Lake 4 and Hudson. There were pits around there too which had old snusboxes, glass bottles, and other old junk. We left it all as we found it.
quote jamotrade: "This is probably part of the same line. Found it behind my campsite on narrows between Lake 4 and Hudson. There were pits around there too which had old snusboxes, glass bottles, and other old junk. We left it all as we found it. "
Wonder what, if anything, might be left of that after the Pagami Creek fire? Thanks for sharing.
Here's a thread discussing some cabin remains in canoe country. old cabins
quote TuscaroraBorealis: "quote jamotrade: "This is probably part of the same line. Found it behind my campsite on narrows between Lake 4 and Hudson. There were pits around there too which had old snusboxes, glass bottles, and other old junk. We left it all as we found it. "
Wonder what, if anything, might be left of that after the Pagami Creek fire? Thanks for sharing."
Hadn't even thought of that. I suppose it's not there anymore...
Both photo's taken while camping on Moosecamp lake. Most eastern campsite.
"It's easy to grin when your ship comes in and you think you've got the stock market beat...but a man worth while is a man who can smile when his shorts are to tight in the seat", Judge Smails.
quote jamotrade: "quote TuscaroraBorealis: "quote jamotrade: "This is probably part of the same line. Found it behind my campsite on narrows between Lake 4 and Hudson. There were pits around there too which had old snusboxes, glass bottles, and other old junk. We left it all as we found it. "
Wonder what, if anything, might be left of that after the Pagami Creek fire? Thanks for sharing."
Hadn't even thought of that. I suppose it's not there anymore..."
Wow! Parent descendents still live on the north shore and at Grand Portage rez. I should ccheck see if anyone knows just which lakes line encompassed. I've always suspected Parent Lake - by Disappointment, is one.
quote mcguiness22: "I don't know that I would call this an artifact, but I still have no idea what this may be from. It appears as though the rock has been scratched towards the little "hole" in the center. If anyone has any idea on what this may be from I would be quite curious. My only thought is possibly Native Americans used it as an area to start fires or make tools.
Thoughts?"
Looks fairly natural to me. I agree it could have been used to start a fire though.
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson...and...“Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
quote fitgers1: "quote mcguiness22: "I don't know that I would call this an artifact, but I still have no idea what this may be from. It appears as though the rock has been scratched towards the little "hole" in the center. If anyone has any idea on what this may be from I would be quite curious. My only thought is possibly Native Americans used it as an area to start fires or make tools.
Thoughts?"
Looks fairly natural to me. I agree it could have been used to start a fire though."
Rock scratching rock during the glacial epoch?
"Miller owns that field, Locke that, and the Mannings the woodland beyond. But none of them owns the landscape." - R.W.Emmerson.
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson...and...“Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
This stuff is so fascinating. Thank you so much everyone, for sharing. How in the world do you guys find these spots? I've only been up twice and I never spent much time off the portages or very far from the camp sites. I guess I will have to try exploring a little. I'm headed up in August out of Fall Lake, then up to Crooked Lake via the Basswood River. I hope to see some of this stuff. Will I be able to find that airplane or the car? How about any of the old trapper's cabins?
Not exactly artifacts, but we were just at a campsite on Darky in Quetico and found a number of items someone inexplicably left behind:
A roll of aluminum foil Coffee mate creamer Two unused rod holders in original packaging Unused packkage of Cabelas 1 oz pencil weights (almost a pound by itself) Size 13 Merrill shoes Variety of tent stakes, maybe 20 in all Huge tent, maybe an 8 man, in a nice Outdoor Research compression stuff sack Huge bag of tent poles that had small chain links for shock cords ~30 feet of brightly colored rope tied to a tree
Some of the stuff was somewhat hidden, others in plain sight. How does someone forget all of that? We would have taken it out, but we still had several days to go and could not carry it.
That's really strange, jeroldharter. Maybe they had an emergency and left in a hurry. I wonder how long that stuff will sit there before someone hauls it out.
quote jeroldharter: "Not exactly artifacts, but we were just at a campsite on Darky in Quetico and found a number of items someone inexplicably left behind:
A roll of aluminum foil Coffee mate creamer Two unused rod holders in original packaging Unused packkage of Cabelas 1 oz pencil weights (almost a pound by itself) Size 13 Merrill shoes Variety of tent stakes, maybe 20 in all Huge tent, maybe an 8 man, in a nice Outdoor Research compression stuff sack Huge bag of tent poles that had small chain links for shock cords ~30 feet of brightly colored rope tied to a tree
Some of the stuff was somewhat hidden, others in plain sight. How does someone forget all of that? We would have taken it out, but we still had several days to go and could not carry it." Sounds like someone left in a hurry. Emergency, possible....Scared by a persistent bear?
quote Frenchy19: "An old and pretty cool, at least in my opinion, latrine found on Slim Lake a couple of weeks ago.
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AHH The old "Wooden Throne" days. I remember those from when I first started going up there. I remember a couple that were sooo tall that you almost needed a rock to help get on top.
Courage is being scared to death... but saddling up anyway....John Wayne
quote Frenchy19: "quote missmolly: "North of Quetico, I find lots of boats and a few trappers cabins, some of which are still being used."
Jealous...in the BW, it's just toilets filled to capacity. I need to move north in my travels."
The code of the north is that no trapper's cabin can be locked, 'cause that cabin can save your life, so you may enter all of them, but I don't do anything other than open the door and see the hoary socks still hanging from a line. I once found a cabin built into a bank and you had to crawl to enter it. I loved that one. It was long deserted, but some of the abandoned trapping truck was still there.
There are no toilets up yonder and that's a good thing.
In 1978, at Rebecca Falls, I saw an old Log Cabin Syrup tin in the shape of a cabin. I think the chimney was the pour spout. I thought I would pick it up for closer examination, and the whole thing disintegrated. Should have taken a picture instead, but I was near the end of my 24-exposure cassette in the Kodak Instamatic.
"You can observe a lot by watching." -- Yogi Berra
We found a logging camp one time. Found a lot of Ax heads, chain and other stuff. We decided to each take one item and then gave them to the voyager museum in Ely. This was back in the 70's. Is this museum still there, would like to go back and see what has changed.
Still know where it is, not easy to get to, will never tell haha.
I wish I were, I wish I might, I wish I was in the BWCA tonite!
Here is a picture of an old Gold mine shaft between Kelly and Jack lake. It went in about 40 feet then straight down. Someone has filled it in with rocks at the end for safety reasons. I talked to a ranger and he said it is at least 100 years old since anyone was mining there.
About 40 years ago I went to Boundary Waters and picked up this knife item, which was washing in the surf at an island.
Before I get jumped over for taking things out, I was a kid, about 13, and I don't even know if any laws were in place at that time, so save it. I actually would like to return it to any museum if any.
About 40 years ago I went to Boundary Waters and picked up this knife item, which was washing in the surf at an island.
Before I get jumped over for taking things out, I was a kid, about 13, and I don't even know if any laws were in place at that time, so save it. I actually would like to return it to any museum if any.
as a collector of Classic Camp Stoves i thought this bit of old camp trash was interesting. among the other rusting junk was this Coleman Gaz cart with the rubber bulb valve connector.no longer made of course they were used on Hank Roberts, Coleman Picnic Gaz stove and a few others. carts like that when found in old hardware stores or off the grid sporting shops are posted as great finds at the stove collectors site.
quote TuscaroraBorealis: "Not sure what is is, or was, but we ran across some old wooden lumber just off the Little Beartrack portage landing of the portage to Gun lake. "
It looks like pieces of an old boat transom. That is what the shape reminds me of anyway.
quote Wallidave: "Cache Point...old latrine from when the ranger cabin was located here.
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I've seen a few double hole outhouse's in the past. We even had one at our deer hunting shabin for a few years. I wonder if two people actually ever sat next to each other on the crapper. Or, did it just allow for a bigger hole to be dug so it would take longer to fill it?
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson...and...“Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
quote inspector13: "quote TuscaroraBorealis: "Not sure what is is, or was, but we ran across some old wooden lumber just off the Little Beartrack portage landing of the portage to Gun lake. "
It looks like pieces of an old boat transom. That is what the shape reminds me of anyway.
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I thought boat as well. I also thought maybe parts of an old lumber days log ski skid but it doesn't look old enough for that.
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson...and...“Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
quote LuvMyBell: "quote jeroldharter: "Not exactly artifacts, but we were just at a campsite on Darky in Quetico and found a number of items someone inexplicably left behind:
A roll of aluminum foil Coffee mate creamer Two unused rod holders in original packaging Unused packkage of Cabelas 1 oz pencil weights (almost a pound by itself) Size 13 Merrill shoes Variety of tent stakes, maybe 20 in all Huge tent, maybe an 8 man, in a nice Outdoor Research compression stuff sack Huge bag of tent poles that had small chain links for shock cords ~30 feet of brightly colored rope tied to a tree My guess is besides an emergency, is someone really had a bad, bad time, and decided not to do this again. Ever have one of those?
Some of the stuff was somewhat hidden, others in plain sight. How does someone forget all of that? We would have taken it out, but we still had several days to go and could not carry it." Sounds like someone left in a hurry. Emergency, possible....Scared by a persistent bear?"
"Did you bring the coffee?"
"No. I thought you were."
This is not in the BWCA, but close. It's an old car (about 1955 or 56) buried in the underbrush on a short spur off the Moose Viewing Trail on the Gunflint Trail. I haven't seen any pictures of it yet, but I'm sure others have seen it.
Found this old pocket watch in the water at the Isle of Pines. Though I hesitated, I returned it to where I found it. I suppose it has been "found" many times before - anyone here seen it?
"...at þat skulir þú vita, at eigi eru allir Völsungar dauðir."
A bunch of artifacts (old gas pump and containers, bed fame, chains, ect) at the campsite on the east side of Angleworm (accessible from both trail and canoe). Lots of rusted cans and bottles too, was really tempted to keep one but I can enjoy the pictures and everyone else can enjoy the artifacts later.
On Canadian Agnes where a small stream flows in,I looked down and there was a pan trap that looked like it was set for mink. The jaws were still open. Went to pick it up and it kind of fell apart. That trap was probably sitting like that for over 50 years. I know trapping was outlawed in the park a long time ago.
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Pinetree There was trapping in the park 2 years ago I do not know if it is still legal on not. There were several trappers cabins still in use in the park 2 years ago. Wallidave The Cow scow as I call it is near deadmans portage. From the North end of the portage follow the shore west. Most people do not go that way because of shallow water making you go around the islands then it is a paddle back to the shore.
The question of the day is Freedom or Socialism??
MagicPaddler
quote MagicPaddler: "Pinetree There was trapping in the park 2 years ago I do not know if it is still legal on not. There were several trappers cabins still in use in the park 2 years ago. Wallidave The Cow scow as I call it is near deadmans portage. From the North end of the portage follow the shore west. Most people do not go that way because of shallow water making you go around the islands then it is a paddle back to the shore. "
It was outlawed decades ago,unless I wonder if your seeing Native Canadian Indians trapping on the west side of Quetico? I wonder if Trapper cabins are actually Ranger cabins I think,they use to have them around the park. Now you got me wondering can somebody clear this up.
Sig: All of us our Dreamers. Dreams are what started everything. We our asking ourselves a great question? all of us interested in wilderness preservation are asking...What kind of world do we want.?
Sig: All of us our Dreamers. Dreams are what started everything. We our asking ourselves a great question? all of us interested in wilderness preservation are asking...What kind of world do we want.?
Pinetree If you look at google earth you can see a trappers road leading from French Lake to McKenzie. I have here that there may be plans to maintain that road as a hiking trail. The cabin I found was on the west side of the park and was a blue tarp special. I also found a stash on a island wrapped in blue tarp.
The question of the day is Freedom or Socialism??
MagicPaddler
quote Beemer01: "The foundation of an old Cabin on Bingshik - the remains of an old prospector's camp on This Man....the old Mine shaft off the Kek Trail.. "
Is the Bingshick lake you refer to the one in the BWCAW along the Kekekabic hiking trail?
yes Tuscarora B, regarding the Pagami Fire. I found a bunch of flat top beer and pop cans as well as some fuel cans on the portage between Kawasaschong and Polly. It is mostly old litter and some recent litter sad to say. Lots of rusty stuff clearly visible, scattered about, at the Kawasashcong end. Most interesting was a rusted out unopened six pack of 40 year old ginger ale. I guess someone was saving it for later . tom
quote wetcanoedog: "one of the best artifacts i found was on a island near Tiger Bay.it was a fire grate made from ox shoes and iron bars.what made it so neat was that i had seen the same thing in a 1920's "make you own gear" camping book." After googling, I now know what ox shoes are, or can be. A few of the hits refer to metal plates that could be attached to the feet of two-toed ungulates while the majority of hits refer to items such as "ox shoes for girls."