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ron1

05/07/2014 02:54PM

I plan to try using Zulus this year, following quetico Mike's suggestion. Does anyone have a photo of how to set these up? How do I put the hook into them?

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QueticoMike

05/07/2014 04:25PM

Send me an email and ask for pictures of Zulu rigging. My email address is queticomike @yahoo.com

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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QueticoMike

05/09/2014 01:46PM

I have been receiving requests for pictures of this set up so I decided to just post the pictures here and save us some time. If you would like to read my article on Zulu fishing, you can request one via email to - queticomike@yahoo.com

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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Saberboys

05/09/2014 03:09PM

+++++1 I was just thinking about emailing ya Mike! I assumed that the weedless setup would look like this, but everyone has their secret tricks :)

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Exo

05/09/2014 09:01PM

Many thanks for sharing the success of this rig

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DeanL

05/09/2014 10:29PM

Thanks for the pics Mike. Have you ever tried using the hooks with the spring locks or just worm hooks?

"Leave it as it is.....The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it." Theodore Roosevelt

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QueticoMike

05/10/2014 06:44AM

quote DeanL: "Thanks for the pics Mike. Have you ever tried using the hooks with the spring locks or just worm hooks?"

I just use the 1/0 worm hooks, never tried spring locks. If you do, let me know who they worked for you. I'm sure they would work fine for this set up. I think a lot of people like to use a larger hook, but I have had no issues with the small size. I like how the hook stays flush with the bait. I think the bigger hooks would like a keel sort of and take away some of the action. I have no proof of that, just the way I think about it. No matter how you rig a Zulu I'm sure you are going to catch fish if you use the right retrieve.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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GeoFisher

05/10/2014 08:47AM

quote QueticoMike: "

I have been receiving requests for pictures of this set up so I decided to just post the pictures here and save us some time. If you would like to read my article on Zulu fishing, you can request one via email to - queticomike@yahoo.com"

Excellent.

After those things get ripped up and destroyed, I then take a hook and simply head hook it like a minnow and catch a few more fish with it :) .

Also, I use a much bigger hook. I like 3/0 EWG hooks which get through the plastic a little better. Maybe that is why I tear so many up though :) :)

Later,

Geo

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joetrain

05/10/2014 09:01AM

Thanks for all your help Mike. I will try this rig locally and on my next Q trip. I have had great success using a prerigged rubber worm. I usually just give my reel handle a spin ,let it settle, then spin again. It is one of my favorite lures for bass in the Quetico.

~JOE~

a dio sia la gloria

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minnesotashooter

05/10/2014 12:29PM

Check out the Zoom Super Flukes as well. Looks like they are similar to these Zulu's.

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QueticoMike

05/10/2014 01:26PM

quote minnesotashooter: "Check out the Zoom Super Flukes as well. Looks like they are similar to these Zulu's."

They aren't made from Elaztech and don't last as long as a Zulu. Only Strike King Zulus and Z-Man Shadz are made with Elaztech. I have caught well over 50 fish on a single Zulu before I had to use a new one. They last for a long time unless a pike snips you off.

Has anyone here ever caught over 50 fish with one Fluke before it fell apart?

I don't think a Fluke's action is as good as a Zulu either. JMO.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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Indyfisher

05/10/2014 01:35PM

Thanks Quetico Mike. Always helpful!

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TeamTuna06

05/11/2014 11:26PM

I use Gamakatsu G-Lock wide gaps in the same rigging style. The wide gap gives me a little more clearance from the bait body, and the final angled bend just neat the tip will hold the hook point flat (and weedless) on top of the bait without having to skin hook the tip. Works great on Texas rigged tubes also.

"If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there’d be a shortage of fishing poles." -Doug Larson

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otter1

05/12/2014 07:33AM

Why am I having problems finding these 3x Zulus for sale? Any help, I walked bass pro shop for an hour.

"Common sense is not so common" -Voltaire

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otter1

05/12/2014 07:59AM

quote otter1: "Why am I having problems finding these 3x Zulus for sale? Any help, I walked bass pro shop for an hour."

Hey dude, I found some on ebay.

"Common sense is not so common" -Voltaire

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QueticoMike

05/12/2014 09:22AM

quote otter1: "Why am I having problems finding these 3x Zulus for sale? Any help, I walked bass pro shop for an hour."

If you can't find Zulus ( they don't call them 3X anymore since they are made from Elaztech ) look for Z too's ( Zulus with a split tail ) or Z-Man Shadz ( the exact same thing as a Z too ). I purchase all of my lures on-line at Cabelas, BassPro or zmanfishing.com. Also if you are going to be in Ely, MN before your trip, Piragis Northwoods will be stocking them.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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PompousPilot1

05/12/2014 09:43AM

Is it safe to assume one could use this same set up with Senkos also?

For a quart of ale is a dish for a king - Shakespeare 'A Winters Tale'

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otter1

05/12/2014 10:40AM

quote QueticoMike: "
quote otter1: "Why am I having problems finding these 3x Zulus for sale? Any help, I walked bass pro shop for an hour."

If you can't find Zulus ( they don't call them 3X anymore since they are made from Elaztech ) look for Z too's ( Zulus with a split tail ) or Z-Man Shadz ( the exact same thing as a Z too ). I purchase all of my lures on-line at Cabelas, BassPro or zmanfishing.com. Also if you are going to be in Ely, MN before your trip, Piragis Northwoods will be stocking them."

Thanks QM

"Common sense is not so common" -Voltaire

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mobass

05/17/2014 02:12PM

Have never caught 50 or even 25 on a fluke before. However, I have found that if you rig them with a screw lock hook they will last 2 or 3 times longer. I like the Owner center pin, wide gap in 3/0. Zulus definitely last longer but I was already overstocked on Flukes.

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Savage Voyageur

05/17/2014 02:32PM

quote PompousPilot1: "Is it safe to assume one could use this same set up with Senkos also?"

Yes, I plan on rigging up both Texas and Carolina style Senko Worms.

"So many lakes, so little time." WWJD

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bassnut

05/17/2014 02:38PM

On 5-6in. senkos and Sluggos, i use 3/0-5/0 EWG hooks. Bigger hooks equals more weight equals faster drop rate...helpful at times. Also, some brands of Senko-types are available with "extra" salt, making them heavier(faster drop) for fishing deeper. whatever you do, you need to be a "line watcher". This genre of lure works great!!

"Blessed are the cracked because they let in light."

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otter1

05/17/2014 04:53PM

Trial run report on Zulu. Held up well. Caught (3) 14"-15" wallys, (2) bass and lost one musky after 10 seconds bit the line. In fairness, my fishing partner caught the same amount on cranks. He landed a 22" musky. Albeit I like the Zulu.

"Common sense is not so common" -Voltaire

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Dilligaf0220

05/17/2014 08:14PM

What am I missing with that rigging, looks like a Texas rig rigged in reverse?

Or is the hook rigged off centre to give it some spin?

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QueticoMike

05/18/2014 07:32AM

quote Dilligaf0220: "What am I missing with that rigging, looks like a Texas rig rigged in reverse?

Or is the hook rigged off centre to give it some spin?"

It's basically a Texas rig with a line leader and swivel. The hook is not rigged off center and you don't want this lure to spin. You want to work the lure in a sub-surface finesse manner, walking the dog with short twitches and pausing of the lure. The lure looks like a dying, fluttering bait fish that fish can not ignore.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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joetrain

06/06/2014 07:26AM

Used the Quetico Mike Zulu rig this morning and pulled out a 2lb . largemouth.
Thanks Mike

~JOE~

a dio sia la gloria

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QueticoMike

06/10/2014 07:17AM

quote joetrain: "Used the Quetico Mike Zulu rig this morning and pulled out a 2lb . largemouth.
Thanks Mike

~JOE~"

You're welcome. Caught more walleye than ever on the Zulu on my trip last week. One day we caught over 50 walleye without even fishing for walleye.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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keegan99usa

06/10/2014 08:21AM

quote QueticoMike: "
quote otter1: "Why am I having problems finding these 3x Zulus for sale? Any help, I walked bass pro shop for an hour."

If you can't find Zulus ( they don't call them 3X anymore since they are made from Elaztech ) look for Z too's ( Zulus with a split tail ) or Z-Man Shadz ( the exact same thing as a Z too ). I purchase all of my lures on-line at Cabelas, BassPro or zmanfishing.com. Also if you are going to be in Ely, MN before your trip, Piragis Northwoods will be stocking them."

So, on zman fishing.com, what colors/sizes are you ordering?
THanks
Keegan

Any time with family is good times!

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QueticoMike

06/10/2014 09:18AM

quote keegan99usa: "
quote QueticoMike: "
quote otter1: "Why am I having problems finding these 3x Zulus for sale? Any help, I walked bass pro shop for an hour."

If you can't find Zulus ( they don't call them 3X anymore since they are made from Elaztech ) look for Z too's ( Zulus with a split tail ) or Z-Man Shadz ( the exact same thing as a Z too ). I purchase all of my lures on-line at Cabelas, BassPro or zmanfishing.com. Also if you are going to be in Ely, MN before your trip, Piragis Northwoods will be stocking them."

So, on zman fishing.com, what colors/sizes are you ordering?
THanks
Keegan"

From Z-Man I get the pearl, redbone and shiner colors in the 5 inch size. Zulu colors are typically anything with pearl, glimmer blue, gray glimmer, baby bass.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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mapsguy1955

06/28/2014 04:25PM

Have you tried the RT Slug? A Mister Twister plastic...

If we aren't actively working to protect our planet, we are acquiescing to those who run their life as if their personal WANTS are the only things that matter. John

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QueticoMike

06/29/2014 08:23AM

quote mapsguy1955: "Have you tried the RT Slug? A Mister Twister plastic... "

No, never heard of the RT Slug. Zulus work just fine for me. The only thing that could make Zulus better would be if I could catch over a 100 fish on one instead of 50.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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unshavenman

07/11/2014 04:30PM

Thank you QueticoMike for sharing your expertise! Worked great for me on the Other Man two weeks ago!

Endeavor to persevere.

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QueticoMike

07/12/2014 07:06AM

You're welcome! Glad I could help. That is an interesting pic :)

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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Whitaker

07/13/2014 11:49AM

Has anyone had much success on the Zulu rig later in the season, say
early-mid September? Seems like the fish are deeper then.
Do you add weight above the swivel or above the Zulu?

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joetrain

07/13/2014 12:07PM

quote Whitaker: "Has anyone had much success on the Zulu rig later in the season, say
early-mid September? Seems like the fish are deeper then.
Do you add weight above the swivel or above the Zulu?
"

I have been fishing this zulu set up on a carolina rig which uses a sliding weight. The lakes I have been fishing do not have a lot of rocks so it is snag free. I fish it along weedlines and wiggle it through the weed edges. It works great. ~JOE~

a dio sia la gloria

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QueticoMike

07/13/2014 12:19PM

quote joetrain: "
quote Whitaker: "Has anyone had much success on the Zulu rig later in the season, say
early-mid September? Seems like the fish are deeper then.
Do you add weight above the swivel or above the Zulu?
"

I have been fishing this zulu set up on a carolina rig which uses a sliding weight. The lakes I have been fishing do not have a lot of rocks so it is snag free. I fish it along weedlines and wiggle it through the weed edges. It works great. ~JOE~"

There are several ways to get a Zulu deeper. One of the ways is how Joe described above. Or you could.......

1) Use a bigger swivel
2) Use a split shot about 18 inches up the line
3) Use a standard jig head ( action is different, but still works )
4) Use a weighted worm hook

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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Whitaker

07/13/2014 04:35PM

Going to give this a try this Sept on the North Arm of Knife.
Last Sept trip our crankbaits weren't too attractive to them as a rule,
suspected they were deeper by then
Thanks!!
W

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builditbetter22

07/16/2014 04:48PM

Great pic

One thorn of experience is worth a whole wilderness of warning

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PompousPilot1

08/14/2014 09:48AM

quote unshavenman: "Thank you QueticoMike for sharing your expertise! Worked great for me on the Other Man two weeks ago! "

Dude's got a problem!

For a quart of ale is a dish for a king - Shakespeare 'A Winters Tale'

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cyclones30

02/22/2015 01:53PM

I guess I'll bring this one back up instead of starting a new one.

Mike, why the swivel? Prevent line twist....a little weight out front...or? Heavier fluoro or something to act as a partial leader?

Seems like one more thing to need in the box (although very small), more knots, more thing for the fish to see, etc.

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pastorjsackett

02/22/2015 05:48PM

I was wondering too....is it a florocarbon leader on the end of a superline or braid???

QM, you are going to be personally responsible for a lot of fish being caught up there this summer!!!

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toddhunter

02/23/2015 09:52AM

Zulu/Elaz-tech plastics don't seem to like screw locks. They want to un-screw. This kind of plastic acts different from the usual plastic, and requires some adjustment if you are used to flukes or other plastic baits. They are softer, but more difficult to penetrate with a hook. They're much more buoyant except for the salted versions. Texas rig, tex-sposed, nose hook all will work. On all soft jerk bait (slug style) brands, I like the keel effect of a larger wide gap hook. I prefer a patient, sub-surface twitching presentation. The slightest twitch still makes it look like a struggling bait fish. Because there's no weight, it's difficult to feel any strike. Although easier said than done, don't set the hook when you first see the line move or see the flash. Reel out the slack and wait until you feel the fish. These plastics make a lot of sense for the BW, where I like to travel lighter and take fewer lures. Of course, now that they have expanded their line, it makes it more difficult to pare back. And it bears reminding: don't mix them with other plastics!
Another suggestion: use wacky rigged senko-style baits for comparison. They cast better, sink better and are easier to use, which is why they became more popular than slug baits. ymmv

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QueticoMike

02/23/2015 10:13AM

quote cyclones30: "I guess I'll bring this one back up instead of starting a new one.

Mike, why the swivel? Prevent line twist....a little weight out front...or? Heavier fluoro or something to act as a partial leader?

Seems like one more thing to need in the box (although very small), more knots, more thing for the fish to see, etc.

"

If you want to read the article send me an email and request the Zulu article. queticomike@yahoo.com. To answer your question, the swivel is used to prevent all of the line twists and to sink the lure just below the surface. If you fish the lure without a swivel you better know how to remove line twists or be prepared to re-spool. The hook ratio is better fishing this lure at a subsurface level. When smallmouth attack a top water lure they sometimes miss the bait while trying to kill the thing. When the lure is below the surface they merely inhale the lure and not attack the lure creating a higher hook up ratio. I use just regular mono for the leader, Berkley XL most of the time. If I'm fishing a really rocky area that scrapes my line I will switch to fireline.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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QueticoMike

02/23/2015 10:39AM

quote pastorjsackett: "I was wondering too....is it a florocarbon leader on the end of a superline or braid???

QM, you are going to be personally responsible for a lot of fish being caught up there this summer!!!"

I have probably helped a lot of people catch fish over the years. I try to help people as much as possible and maybe they will experience better fishing up in the woods or at home waters. I wish I received a cut of all the Zulu sales I created for Strike King. :-)

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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jungro

02/25/2015 04:52PM

I brought the Zoom Super Flukes with me to Florida this year and just hammered the snook on them -- would not have heard about them without BWCA messageboard and QueticoMike. Thanks!

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jungro

02/25/2015 04:52PM

I brought the Zoom Super Flukes with me to Florida this year and just hammered the snook on them -- would not have heard about them without BWCA messageboard and QueticoMike. Thanks!

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dj00140

02/25/2015 10:37PM

I take it you fish the zulu/slug-o with only a swivel for just under the surface fishing in <6ft of water? What about walleyes in 12-22 ft of water? will this application will be effective? How do you get it deep and how do you fish it?

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QueticoMike

02/26/2015 08:05AM

quote dj00140: "I take it you fish the zulu/slug-o with only a swivel for just under the surface fishing in <6ft of water? What about walleyes in 12-22 ft of water? will this application will be effective? How do you get it deep and how do you fish it?"

If you want to fish deep, you can either add a split shot, a three way rig, a weighted hook, or a simple lead head jig. I don't typically fish this lure deep. Probably caught 50 or more walleyes last year on this lure without weight added. Fishing moving water in early spring.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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QueticoMike

02/26/2015 08:12AM

quote jungro: "I brought the Zoom Super Flukes with me to Florida this year and just hammered the snook on them -- would not have heard about them without BWCA messageboard and QueticoMike. Thanks!
"

Glad to hear I could help, I have never fished for snook with a Zulu, but if I get a chance to go again I will give it a try. When I snook fished I always used a YoZuri blue and silver stick bait and retrieve it extremely slow. Tie it with a good loop knot and it creates a wobble better than a Rapala.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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Basspro69

02/26/2015 09:19AM

quote unshavenman: "Thank you QueticoMike for sharing your expertise! Worked great for me on the Other Man two weeks ago! "

That is a cool picture !

" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD

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Basspro69

02/26/2015 09:20AM

quote QueticoMike: "

I have been receiving requests for pictures of this set up so I decided to just post the pictures here and save us some time. If you would like to read my article on Zulu fishing, you can request one via email to - queticomike@yahoo.com"

This series of pictures shows how to rig it better than you could ever describe in words.

" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD

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halvorsonchristopher

02/27/2015 04:17PM

Mike, thanks for the pictures. This rig has already outpreformed anything else that I've tried on smallies/pike. For some reason, it just sets them off!

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QueticoMike

02/28/2015 09:11AM

quote halvorsonchristopher: "Mike, thanks for the pictures. This rig has already outpreformed anything else that I've tried on smallies/pike. For some reason, it just sets them off!"

You're welcome. It's the nearest thing there is to a real dying bait fish that I have ever seen, that is the trigger. I will be happy when the hard water is gone. I don't ice fish, so it's been since Dec. since I last fished, going nuts here with cabin fever just waiting and waiting and waiting :)

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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MarshLaw303

02/28/2015 12:49PM

Anybody every fish a double fluke version of this rig? I've heard guys raving about it but I've never given it a try.

-Tim

-Tim Marshall Owner: Enlightened Equipment

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QueticoMike

02/28/2015 01:04PM

quote MarshLaw303: "Anybody every fish a double fluke version of this rig? I've heard guys raving about it but I've never given it a try.

-Tim"

I would never use flukes. Zulus and Shadz made from Elaztech are much better. I don't like the double Zulu rig it can get a little tangled at times. I do just fine with one. I'm not clear on the regulations in MN and Quetico, but I don't think it is legal to use this rig.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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mirth

06/04/2015 11:27AM

Back to the top, since Zulus are a recent topic of conversation.

When a man is part of his canoe, he is part of all that canoes have ever known. - Sigurd F. Olson, "The Singing Wilderness"

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Hawkeye2010

06/06/2015 10:18PM

http://zmanfishing.com/store/categories/elaztech/scented_jerkshadz

Are these it?

I'm not finding anything searching for "zulu"

Thanks!

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Hawkeye2010

06/06/2015 10:19PM

Also, what size barrel swivel?

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pastorjsackett

06/06/2015 10:41PM

That is it.

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QueticoMike

06/07/2015 07:54AM

quote Hawkeye2010: "Also, what size barrel swivel?"

I use a size 3 SPRO barrel swivel most of the time. If I want to go a little deeper I use a size 4. If I am throwing the 7 inch version StreakZ I will use a size 5.

If you want to read my article on Zulu fishing, just send me an email at - queticomike@yahoo.com - and request the Zulu article.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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GoSpursGo

04/19/2017 09:11AM

Bump - Using the QM Zulu method for the first time in about 30 days!

Without a weighted jig head or hook, how is the casting distance with just the hook and the Zulu?

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QueticoMike

04/19/2017 10:13AM

quote GoSpursGo: "Bump - Using the QM Zulu method for the first time in about 30 days!

Without a weighted jig head or hook, how is the casting distance with just the hook and the Zulu?"

I would highly suggest you add a #3 or 4 ball bearing swivel to this rig. It will add more weight for your cast if that is a concern. It also helps prevent the wicked line twists these lures can cause without one. It also take the lure below the surface. Hook up ratio seems to be better just below the surface. The swivel can also look like something the Zulu is chasing after to eat.

To answer your question, you can fling it it a good distance.

Buy ZMAN ShadZ, they slowly sink. They are made from ElaZtech and last 10 times longer than normal plastics such as flukes. ZMAN makes the ShadZ ( split tail ) the StreakZ ( single tail ) which is more buoyant than the ShadZ. ZMAN also makes these lures for Strike King who renames the ShadZ to Z Too and the StreakZ is renamed the Zulu.

Best place I have found to purchase these lures on line is tacklewarehouse.com.

If you want to read my article on Zulu fishing, send an email to - queticomike@yahoo.com and request the article.

One more thing, you might as well test the lures at a local lake, pond or river to see how far they cast and how the presentation looks. Cast it out a few feet and then use a couple light twitches and pause to see how they work. Then make a cast and work it the same way you did next to shore. Don't twitch too hard or fast, it will cause the lure to swirl ( line twist ).

Let me know if you have any questions.

Good luck! Post some fish pics when you get back!

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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GoSpursGo

04/19/2017 11:47AM

quote QueticoMike: "
quote GoSpursGo: "Bump - Using the QM Zulu method for the first time in about 30 days!

Without a weighted jig head or hook, how is the casting distance with just the hook and the Zulu?"

I would highly suggest you add a #3 or 4 ball bearing swivel to this rig. It will add more weight for your cast if that is a concern. It also helps prevent the wicked line twists these lures can cause without one. It also take the lure below the surface. Hook up ratio seems to be better just below the surface. The swivel can also look like something the Zulu is chasing after to eat.

To answer your question, you can fling it it a good distance.

Buy ZMAN ShadZ, they slowly sink. They are made from ElaZtech and last 10 times longer than normal plastics such as flukes. ZMAN makes the ShadZ ( split tail ) the StreakZ ( single tail ) which is more buoyant than the ShadZ. ZMAN also makes these lures for Strike King who renames the ShadZ to Z Too and the StreakZ is renamed the Zulu.

Best place I have found to purchase these lures on line is tacklewarehouse.com.

If you want to read my article on Zulu fishing, send an email to - queticomike@yahoo.com and request the article.

One more thing, you might as well test the lures at a local lake, pond or river to see how far they cast and how the presentation looks. Cast it out a few feet and then use a couple light twitches and pause to see how they work. Then make a cast and work it the same way you did next to shore. Don't twitch too hard or fast, it will cause the lure to swirl ( line twist ).

Let me know if you have any questions.

Good luck! Post some fish pics when you get back!

"

Thanks so much - I ordered some of these in smoky shad and pearl . Cant wait to give it a go!

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Bumstead

04/19/2017 12:29PM

I'm giving them a go this year, too, QMike. Purchasedsome color options under both the Strike King and ZMan brands.....do they all have the scent / stink similar to rancid parmesan? Evidently its a real attraction for fish! I've seen some (including you, I think) mention pearl, smokey shad, and redbone colors. I also went for the shiner and strike king baby bass. Ever do well with these?

Looking forward to giving them a shot on some bass here in IN also this spring.

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mastertangler

04/20/2017 05:44AM

The first time I fished the Zulu after reading about it in BWJ I was blown away. We were on Suzanette coming out of Conmee in that little cove and absolutely slammed the smallies. That was a fun trip and the Zulus made it doubly so. The next year I went back to the Zulu but decided to omit the swivel.........bad move. I noticed immediately that the lure wanted to work its way to the surface and I couldn't achieve that quick "walk the dog" retrieve just under the water that had proved so effective.

I quickly slapped a swivel back on and then understood that the swivel falls faster than the lure and orientates the head of the lure downward which keeps it from popping to the surface. And as Mike has mentioned it looks for all the world like the Zulu is trying to eat the swivel (fish chasing prey) which I believe is a big time trigger.

Don't leave the swivel off the set-up or it becomes very ordinary. Remember no stretch between the lure and swivel since it is such a short distance........I wouldn't go any less than 10b line and after several fish I would re-tie or at the minimum check the knots.

Lets Go!

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pastorjsackett

04/20/2017 06:13AM

Glad to see this EPIC post come back to the top. Go Q Mike!

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QueticoMike

04/20/2017 02:46PM

quote GoSpursGo: "
quote QueticoMike: "
quote GoSpursGo: "Bump - Using the QM Zulu method for the first time in about 30 days!

Without a weighted jig head or hook, how is the casting distance with just the hook and the Zulu?"

I would highly suggest you add a #3 or 4 ball bearing swivel to this rig. It will add more weight for your cast if that is a concern. It also helps prevent the wicked line twists these lures can cause without one. It also take the lure below the surface. Hook up ratio seems to be better just below the surface. The swivel can also look like something the Zulu is chasing after to eat.

To answer your question, you can fling it it a good distance.

Buy ZMAN ShadZ, they slowly sink. They are made from ElaZtech and last 10 times longer than normal plastics such as flukes. ZMAN makes the ShadZ ( split tail ) the StreakZ ( single tail ) which is more buoyant than the ShadZ. ZMAN also makes these lures for Strike King who renames the ShadZ to Z Too and the StreakZ is renamed the Zulu.

Best place I have found to purchase these lures on line is tacklewarehouse.com.

If you want to read my article on Zulu fishing, send an email to - queticomike@yahoo.com and request the article.

One more thing, you might as well test the lures at a local lake, pond or river to see how far they cast and how the presentation looks. Cast it out a few feet and then use a couple light twitches and pause to see how they work. Then make a cast and work it the same way you did next to shore. Don't twitch too hard or fast, it will cause the lure to swirl ( line twist ).

Let me know if you have any questions.

Good luck! Post some fish pics when you get back!

"

Thanks so much - I ordered some of these in smoky shad and pearl . Cant wait to give it a go!"

Those will work. Next time check tacklewarehouse.com, you should be able to purchase them at a lower cost. I'm sure you will do fine.

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QueticoMike

04/20/2017 02:48PM

quote Bumstead: "I'm giving them a go this year, too, QMike. Purchasedsome color options under both the Strike King and ZMan brands.....do they all have the scent / stink similar to rancid parmesan? Evidently its a real attraction for fish! I've seen some (including you, I think) mention pearl, smokey shad, and redbone colors. I also went for the shiner and strike king baby bass. Ever do well with these?

Looking forward to giving them a shot on some bass here in IN also this spring."

They aren't all scented. They used to be smothered in garlic back in the day. I have caught fish on all of those colors. I lean more towards a gray and pearl color, but any variation of pearl seems to work up there. Sometimes you have to mix up the colors, but not too often.

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Guest Paddler

05/10/2017 11:13AM

quote QueticoMike: "
quote minnesotashooter: "Check out the Zoom Super Flukes as well. Looks like they are similar to these Zulu's."

They aren't made from Elaztech and don't last as long as a Zulu. Only Strike King Zulus and Z-Man Shadz are made with Elaztech. I have caught well over 50 fish on a single Zulu before I had to use a new one. They last for a long time unless a pike snips you off.

Has anyone here ever caught over 50 fish with one Fluke before it fell apart?

I don't think a Fluke's action is as good as a Zulu either. JMO."

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QueticoMike

05/10/2017 02:24PM

Yep, not sure why people use flukes when there are Zman ShadZ, StreakZ, Strike King Z Too's and Zulus. These lures are made from ElaZtech plastic and last 10 times longer than a normal plastic bait like a zoom fluke. I have had many of these ElaZtech soft plastic jerk baits last for more than 50 fish and some up to 100 if I use super glue. If you put a drop of super glue right below the nose where the hook tends to rip out and another on top of the back where the hook penetrates, these lures will last until a pike nips you off. The more used these lures are the better they seem to work.

Just make sure you use a quality ball bearing swivel and a 1/0 Gamakatsu worm hook and you will be all set.

I you like these lures, give the ZMAN RaZors a try in the Bad Shad color. Best lure I used in Quetico last year.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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Mad_Angler

05/11/2017 03:46PM

I''ve caught a zillion fish with Zulu's after Mike first came out with his article. It was winter. I remember reading and rereading his article and hoping that it worked half as well as he claimed. It worked at least as well as he claimed. I am not sure that I would go the BWCA without some Zulus...

But... What about the new Zman Pop Shadz? I put some of those in my cart at tacklewarehouse. I wonder if they will work as well...

Fish where the fish are...

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Mad_Angler

05/11/2017 03:51PM

quote QueticoMike: "...
Just make sure you use a quality ball bearing swivel and a 1/0 Gamakatsu worm hook and you will be all set. ...
"

Crap... tacklewarehouse has 2 pages of Gamakatsu worm hooks... Which ones do you like best?

Fish where the fish are...

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GoSpursGo

05/11/2017 05:26PM

I just re read this thread for about the 100th time - how much distance is between the Zulu and the swivel? 6"?

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QueticoMike

05/11/2017 05:32PM

quote GoSpursGo: "I just re read this thread for about the 100th time - how much distance is between the Zulu and the swivel? 6"?"

I wouldn't go less than 6 inches and wouldn't go more than 12. 8 to 10 is ideal.

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msray53

05/11/2017 05:59PM

quote Mad_Angler: "I''ve caught a zillion fish with Zulu's after Mike first came out with his article. It was winter. I remember reading and rereading his article and hoping that it worked half as well as he claimed. It worked at least as well as he claimed. I am not sure that I would go the BWCA without some Zulus...

But... What about the new Zman Pop Shadz? I put some of those in my cart at tacklewarehouse. I wonder if they will work as well..."

I used the Pop Shadz in Quetico a couple years ago. While I got lots of hits, the hook-up rate wasn't as high as expected with a 1/0 worm hook. There is a video on Zman suggesting the use of a treble hook vastly improves the hook-up performance when used in open water. You should watch the video to see how to rig the lure with a treble hook.

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GoSpursGo

05/11/2017 06:26PM

quote QueticoMike: "
quote GoSpursGo: "I just re read this thread for about the 100th time - how much distance is between the Zulu and the swivel? 6"?"

I wouldn't go less than 6 inches and wouldn't go more than 12. 8 to 10 is ideal."

Thank you good sir!

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QueticoMike

05/12/2017 06:12AM

quote Mad_Angler: "
quote QueticoMike: "...
Just make sure you use a quality ball bearing swivel and a 1/0 Gamakatsu worm hook and you will be all set. ...
"

Crap... tacklewarehouse has 2 pages of Gamakatsu worm hooks... Which ones do you like best?"

I use the Gamakatsu 1/0 offset shank worm hook ( Round Bend ).

The stock # for a 6 pack is - 07111
The stock # for a 25 pack is - 54111-25

Let me know if you still have issues finding them.

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QueticoMike

05/12/2017 06:18AM

quote Mad_Angler: "I''ve caught a zillion fish with Zulu's after Mike first came out with his article. It was winter. I remember reading and rereading his article and hoping that it worked half as well as he claimed. It worked at least as well as he claimed. I am not sure that I would go the BWCA without some Zulus...

But... What about the new Zman Pop Shadz? I put some of those in my cart at tacklewarehouse. I wonder if they will work as well..."

I have tried the Pop ShadZ, wasn't a big fan of them. Better off using a Super or Magnum Pop-R.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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QueticoMike

04/22/2018 10:41AM

Just bumping this back up for people who have been wondering how I rig a Zulu ( aka ZMAN ShadZ )

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QueticoMike

06/21/2018 11:37AM

Bump................. so CityFisher74 can see pics of rigging....click on the pics to see them better

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CityFisher74

06/21/2018 12:28PM

Thanks Mike. Tried this with no success last year but realized I was casting downstream and reeling against the current. I need to do the opposite.

"The idea of wilderness needs no defense, it only needs defenders."

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Savage Voyageur

06/21/2018 12:31PM

Thanks Mike. I will be using this method next week in Ontario.

"So many lakes, so little time." WWJD

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QueticoMike

06/21/2018 03:23PM

CityFisher74: "Thanks Mike. Tried this with no success last year but realized I was casting downstream and reeling against the current. I need to do the opposite."

If you are fishing moving water and cast downstream you barely need to do anything but twitch it every now and then while the current gives the lure all the action. But you are right, if you are fishing current, cast upstream or an upward angle into the creek or river. If you haven't tried fishing this lure along shorelines or points or basically anywhere else, you should give it a try you might be pleasantly surprised. Let me know if you ever have any questions.

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QueticoMike

06/21/2018 03:38PM

Double post

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rdgbwca

07/26/2018 09:43AM

QueticoMike: " Let me know if you ever have any questions."

Do other species hit this lure as well? IIRC, you fish it locally as well. Ever catch pike or large mouth on this rig?

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QueticoMike

07/26/2018 03:49PM

rdgbwca: "
QueticoMike: " Let me know if you ever have any questions."

Do other species hit this lure as well? IIRC, you fish it locally as well. Ever catch pike or large mouth on this rig?"

I caught the grand slam on the lure on my last Quetico trip. First time I caught a lake trout, smallmouth, pike and walleye on this lure in one day. I've also caught largemouth, perch, crappie, rockbass and channel catfish on this lure over the years. Yes, I fish the Zulu rig at any freshwater location here locally. Best shallow water, slow current lure I ever used on the river. Also good for pond fishing LMB. I've caught pike over 40 inches with this lure and LMB up to 20 inches.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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flytyer

02/09/2019 09:11AM

Just read QM's article last night. Gotta try this. Looking at Zmanfishing.com website I cannot locate QM's recommended bait.

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QueticoMike

02/09/2019 09:45AM

flytyer: "Just read QM's article last night. Gotta try this. Looking at Zmanfishing.com website I cannot locate QM's recommended bait."

Buy your ZMAN ShadZ from here

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QueticoMike

02/09/2019 10:58AM

flytyer: "Just read QM's article last night. Gotta try this. Looking at Zmanfishing.com website I cannot locate QM's recommended bait."

I hope the Zulu rig gets you on some big fish this year. Let me know if you have any questions.

I have a new article coming out in the Spring or Summer issue of the BWJ about revisiting the first article (Zulu Magic) and updating everyone on new tips and tricks with the Zulu rig.

Got this one on the Zulu rig on the last day of my last trip to the BW last year......

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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cyclones30

02/11/2019 10:00AM

I definetly learned not to mix them with other plastics the hard way last year. Threw a bunch in the trash after that...

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QueticoMike

02/11/2019 01:33PM

cyclones30: "I definetly learned not to mix them with other plastics the hard way last year. Threw a bunch in the trash after that..."

That's a good tip, don't mix any of the ZMAN plastics with traditional plastics.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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Cretbo

02/23/2019 02:05PM

Mike - I have a 7' Rod ...Open face reel I use for Senko fishing .... concerning
Zulu fishing ...questions below

1. What pound Line do you use for your reel to the swivel?
a. Brand?
2. What line do you use for your Leader?
a. Test # ?

Excellent Article you sent me!!

Cretbo

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Mad_Angler

02/23/2019 02:43PM

Mike,

There are 4", 5" and 7" . I think I've only used the 4" before and had great luck. Do you ever use the 5" or 7" ones?

Fish where the fish are...

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QueticoMike

02/23/2019 04:39PM

Mad_Angler: "Mike,

There are 4", 5" and 7" . I think I've only used the 4" before and had great luck. Do you ever use the 5" or 7" ones?"

Never used the 4 inch before, mostly use the 5 inch. I have used the 7 inch on several trips and caught some nice bass, but I didn't catch anything bigger than what I had been catching on the 5 inch lure. The first time I used the 7 inch lure thought for sure I was going to catch a monster bass and I hooked into a smallmouth after a handful of casts, but it was no monster, it was 14 inches. So a smallmouth will eat a bait half it's size ( or bigger ). I guess I need to start throwing 10 inch jerk baits....LOL. When I fish the 7 inch I will go with a 4/0 worm hook and use a size 5 ball bearing swivel and go a little deeper with the lure. ZMAN makes an 8 inch lure called StreakZ XL.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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ppreston

02/23/2019 06:58PM

I haven't given the Zulu a try since our groups trip to Brule. They were as equally effective for smallies as they were pike. No giants, but the setup definitely produced fish. Just might have to add this to the options this year.

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QueticoMike

02/23/2019 09:51PM

ppreston: "I haven't given the Zulu a try since our groups trip to Brule. They were as equally effective for smallies as they were pike. No giants, but the setup definitely produced fish. Just might have to add this to the options this year."

I've caught monster smallies and pike with this rig. More 20 inch smallies than I can count and more than a handful of 40 inch pike. I will fish them until I find something better.....it's been over a decade and nothing comes close.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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ppreston

02/24/2019 08:37AM

QueticoMike: I've caught monster smallies and pike with this rig. More 20 inch smallies than I can count and more than a handful of 40 inch pike. I will fish them until I find something better.....it's been over a decade and nothing comes close."

Not doubting that at all based on your pics and stories. My experience with the Zulu rig comes down to lack of time on the water and not finding a way to get past the pesky hammer handles. I'm leaning towards bringing in 3 rods this year. So most likely one will be dedicated to this setup.

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QueticoMike

02/24/2019 08:54AM

ppreston: "
QueticoMike: I've caught monster smallies and pike with this rig. More 20 inch smallies than I can count and more than a handful of 40 inch pike. I will fish them until I find something better.....it's been over a decade and nothing comes close."

Not doubting that at all based on your pics and stories. My experience with the Zulu rig comes down to lack of time on the water and not finding a way to get past the pesky hammer handles. I'm leaning towards bringing in 3 rods this year. So most likely one will be dedicated to this setup."

Good luck this year! If you have any questions just let me know. Look for my next article about this rig, new tips and tricks for fishing the Zulu (ShadZ) rig. Should be in the spring or summer issue of the Boundary Waters Journal. I'm posting fish pictures almost daily on Instagram, if you want to see them follow - queticomike

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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QueticoMike

03/30/2019 07:45PM

Bump for Karl B. Andersen.....you can click on the picture to enlarge ( but you probably already know this )

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HayRiverDrifter

04/02/2019 10:32AM

What lb line do you use for the leader and what lb line do you typically have on the reel?

Also, do you just store these in the bag they come in. You mentioned not to store them with other plastics. As long as they are in their original bag, can they be stored with other bags of plastics? Are they compatible with tackle box plastic, so you can store them directly in their own small tackle box?

Just jumped in and bought hooks, swivels, and 4 colors of z mans. Heading to Boulder bay in May with plans to exercise this method extensively.

Thanks

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QueticoMike

04/02/2019 01:30PM

HayRiverDrifter: "What lb line do you use for the leader and what lb line do you typically have on the reel?

Also, do you just store these in the bag they come in. You mentioned not to store them with other plastics. As long as they are in their original bag, can they be stored with other bags of plastics? Are they compatible with tackle box plastic, so you can store them directly in their own small tackle box?

Just jumped in and bought hooks, swivels, and 4 colors of z mans. Heading to Boulder bay in May with plans to exercise this method extensively.

Thanks"

I use 10# Trilene XL on my reel and for the leader.

I just put all of my ShadZ into small ziplock bags. You can mix colors together of ShadZ without any issue. I might put 10 or 12 into a sandwich baggie. Just don't mix them in with any other soft plastic lures. If they are stored separate in the original bag and not directly touching another soft plastic they will be fine. Never stored them outside of plastic bag, so I don't know what it would do to your plastic tackle box, probably nothing. I guess you could test it by putting one in the tackle box and see what happens. Or just wrap them in a a ziplock and then stuff them into a tackle box. Let me know if you have any other questions.

I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike

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mgraber

04/03/2019 11:37PM

Elaztech will eventually warp many tackle box plastics, but it takes awhile. Best to keep them in original bags or storage/freezer type bags. Although it sounds bad, elaztech is actually nontoxic and very safe, unlike many conventional soft plastics. It just reacts to them or vice versa.

So many fish,so little time

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rdgbwca

04/24/2019 02:05PM

QueticoMike: "
rdgbwca:

Do other species hit this lure as well? IIRC, you fish it locally as well. Ever catch pike or large mouth on this rig?"

I caught the grand slam on the lure on my last Quetico trip. First time I caught a lake trout, smallmouth, pike and walleye on this lure in one day. "

Happy to confirm local river pike will hit this rig.

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QueticoMike

04/24/2019 05:30PM

rdgbwca: "
QueticoMike: "
rdgbwca:

Do other species hit this lure as well? IIRC, you fish it locally as well. Ever catch pike or large mouth on this rig?"

I caught the grand slam on the lure on my last Quetico trip. First time I caught a lake trout, smallmouth, pike and walleye on this lure in one day. "

Happy to confirm local river pike will hit this rig.

"

Nice! Yes, I've caught a handful of pike on ShadZ and RaZors at 40 inches or better. The amazing part is that they were caught without use of a metal leader.

On a side note, I had Gord Pyzer requesting a copy of my Zulu Magic article the other day. Gord is an In Fisherman TV field editor, you typically see him ice fishing with Doug Stange.

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TheGreatIndoors

04/24/2019 08:04PM

QueticoMike: "On a side note, I had Gord Pyzer requesting a copy of my Zulu Magic article the other day. Gord is an In Fisherman TV field editor, you typically see him ice fishing with Doug Stange. "

Hopefully, the fortune comes with the fame. Cool, Mike!

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Wally13

04/25/2019 11:54AM

QueticoMike,

If you were fishing for smallies with your Zulu’s the last week of August and first week of September ... do you stick with sub surface presentation in early morning and sunset near shorelines or would Fish your Zulu’s deeper in the water column?

At what water depth do you find smallmouth in early September during the day ?

Last year on Jean Lake I caught most of my big ( 18-20 in) smallmouth bottom bouncing spinner rigs for walleye in about 25 -30 ft of water during the day.

Your thoughts?

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QueticoMike

04/25/2019 12:11PM

Wally13: "QueticoMike,

If you were fishing for smallies with your Zulu’s the last week of August and first week of September ... do you stick with sub surface presentation in early morning and sunset near shorelines or would Fish your Zulu’s deeper in the water column?

At what water depth do you find smallmouth in early September during the day ?

Last year on Jean Lake I caught most of my big ( 18-20 in) smallmouth bottom bouncing spinner rigs for walleye in about 25 -30 ft of water during the day.

Your thoughts?"

Most important is where you fish that time of the year. I concentrate more on moving water, top of falls where water is leaving the lake, rivers between lakes, and where the water flows into the next lake. I also fish areas that create current due to wind and land masses that are close together forming a channel\tunnel. I fish the Zulu\ShadZ in the same manner, with a size 4 ball bearing swivel to take the lure slightly deeper. I don't do any deep fishing during late August and early September.

I find fish in 2 feet of water up to about 10 feet of water. If the Zulu\ShadZ isn't productive I will move to a green pumpkin tube in the same areas. I'm going to try black and blue tubes with blue skirts this year. I found a lot of craws with blueish \ violet colored pinchers in the areas I was fishing last year.

Some big smallmouth can still be found on topwater during that time of the year on big flats 10 feet deep littered with boulders. A big lure such as a Lucky 13 in the Bullfrog color can be productive.

Also I found the most productive times to be once the water warmed up in the morning and sunset is not as productive as the afternoons. This all depends on water temps, but this is what I have experienced. So I take my time getting out in the morning and I head in and eat dinner at sunset and get a fire ready to go. Days are short that time of the year and so is the best fishing window.

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QueticoMike

06/14/2019 06:52AM

Bump for McSweem

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jackpotjohnny48

06/25/2019 12:14PM

Mike,

Thanks for the email yesterday. I enjoyed reading the Zulu / ZMan articles and plan to use the rig on my upcoming trip to Canada in early August. We won't be fishing Quetico / BWCA per se, but will be fishing the canoe area lake near Kenora, Ontario (Dogtooth and Rushing River Provincial Park areas) which are absolutely loaded with smallmouth, pike, and lake trout.

I have enjoyed reading your articles, and plan to do some shopping for the Strike King / Zman shadz later this afternoon.

Will post a trip report when I return home.

Thanks for your willingness to share the information!

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QueticoMike

06/25/2019 06:56PM

No problem, just glad to help! I truly enjoy helping people with fishing! That’s what it is all about. If you ever have any questions just let me know. I have a few other articles you might be interested in, just send me an email and I will forward them on to you. Queticomike@yahoo.com

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bwcasolo

06/26/2019 06:22AM

took the zulu to a local state lake yesterday, caught a dozen largemouth, lot's of fun in the prism.

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QueticoMike

06/26/2019 05:36PM

bwcasolo: "took the zulu to a local state lake yesterday, caught a dozen largemouth, lot's of fun in the prism."

I've caught largemouth over 5 pounds in a retention pond locally on the Zulu rig. My fishing partner caught a laker over 30 inches on the Zulu rig on the last trip fishing it with some weight. It's not just for smallmouth. I have caught countless numbers of walleye on the rig as well. Glad to hear it worked for LMB for you!

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bunker3

07/24/2019 10:08AM

Hey Mike! I'm going to dabble with this setup for the first time in a few weeks. I have one quick question. Can you pre-rig the Zulu onto the hook/leader/swivel ahead of time and keep it in the bag? Or would that deteriorate the fishing line too much?

I'm just thinking of ease of switching colors, etc... when out on the canoe. I'm excited to try it though!

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Mad_Angler

05/27/2020 09:28AM

I did okay with Zulus last weekend.

My stock is a little depleted. What is the preferred color and style now? I liked the Razor in Bad Bass

Fish where the fish are...

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QueticoMike

05/27/2020 02:51PM

bunker3: "Hey Mike! I'm going to dabble with this setup for the first time in a few weeks. I have one quick question. Can you pre-rig the Zulu onto the hook/leader/swivel ahead of time and keep it in the bag? Or would that deteriorate the fishing line too much?

I'm just thinking of ease of switching colors, etc... when out on the canoe. I'm excited to try it though!"

Sorry, this is the first time I saw this question. I have pre-rigged one rig and put it into a baggie a couple weeks before a trip and stored in my hip sack. I do this for the first lure I tie on for each trip so I don't have to spend time putting together the rig at the first spot and I don't have to dig all the tackle out of my back pack to start fishing. Never had an issue with the fishing line deteriorating. Actually never gave it any thought, but it is a good question.

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QueticoMike

05/27/2020 02:58PM

Mad_Angler: "I did okay with Zulus last weekend.

My stock is a little depleted. What is the preferred color and style now? I liked the Razor in Bad Bass
"

We actually did better a little better on the RaZor v. the ShadZ last year. Never used Bad Bass before, we always use Bad Shad and Redbone. The Redbone might have been the best of the two last year. Still hoping for a late season Quetico trip, but if worse comes to worse I will go to the Boundary Waters.

Did you take any pictures?

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Mad_Angler

05/27/2020 04:11PM

Sorry Mike. The pictures were on my wife's phone.

And I caught most of my fish with TGO leeches. I think the best pictures are from those.

Fish where the fish are...

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QueticoMike

05/28/2020 06:40AM

Mad_Angler: "Sorry Mike. The pictures were on my wife's phone.

And I caught most of my fish with TGO leeches. I think the best pictures are from those."

I tried looking for the Bad Bass color and couldn't find it. Maybe you meant to say you were throwing the Bad Shad?

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Mad_Angler

05/28/2020 07:42AM

QueticoMike:

I tried looking for the Bad Bass color and couldn't find it. Maybe you meant to say you were throwing the Bad Shad? "

Yup. I went looking for replacements too. I must have been using the Bad Shad.

Some of those new colors look pretty interesting. But most of the really cool looking ones are out of stock.

But you would just recommend Bad Shad Razors??

Fish where the fish are...

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QueticoMike

05/29/2020 11:01AM

Mad_Angler: "
QueticoMike:

I tried looking for the Bad Bass color and couldn't find it. Maybe you meant to say you were throwing the Bad Shad? "

Yup. I went looking for replacements too. I must have been using the Bad Shad.

Some of those new colors look pretty interesting. But most of the really cool looking ones are out of stock.

But you would just recommend Bad Shad Razors??

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Bad Shad and Redbone colors seemed to be the best colors.

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CityFisher74

06/02/2020 10:34AM

Still have yet to get this to produce for me and I have given it at least 4 solid tries. Most recently this past weekend right below some rapids, casting up into them and reeling back with the current. I might have too long a distance between my Zulu and the swivel but other than that I am following it to a tee. And the spot was highly productive as I had caught 6 or 7 bass in the same location with a plan hook and leech under a slip bobber before right before throwing on the Zulu.

"The idea of wilderness needs no defense, it only needs defenders."

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QueticoMike

06/03/2020 07:41AM

CityFisher74: "Still have yet to get this to produce for me and I have given it at least 4 solid tries. Most recently this past weekend right below some rapids, casting up into them and reeling back with the current. I might have too long a distance between my Zulu and the swivel but other than that I am following it to a tee. And the spot was highly productive as I had caught 6 or 7 bass in the same location with a plan hook and leech under a slip bobber before right before throwing on the Zulu."

Use about 8 to 12 inches for the line leader, no reason to go any longer than that. How quick is your retrieve? It needs to be worked very slowly. A couple of soft twitches followed by a long pause. Do you use a quality ball bearing swivel? Have you used a heavier #4 size? Is the lure moving correctly when you test it before casting? Throw the lure out a few feet and twitch it a couple of times to make sure you are getting the desired movement of the lure. Once you achieve the desired presentation next to shore, cast it out and work it back the same way. Just imagine during your retrieve what it looked like next to shore. This has been my #1 lure for smallmouth over the past 14 years, not sure why it does not work for you. If you have any questions, just let me know.

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CityFisher74

06/03/2020 07:53AM

QueticoMike: "
CityFisher74: "Still have yet to get this to produce for me and I have given it at least 4 solid tries. Most recently this past weekend right below some rapids, casting up into them and reeling back with the current. I might have too long a distance between my Zulu and the swivel but other than that I am following it to a tee. And the spot was highly productive as I had caught 6 or 7 bass in the same location with a plan hook and leech under a slip bobber before right before throwing on the Zulu."

Use about 8 to 12 inches for the line leader, no reason to go any longer than that. How quick is your retrieve? It needs to be worked very slowly. A couple of soft twitches followed by a long pause. Do you use a quality ball bearing swivel? Have you used a heavier #4 size? Is the lure moving correctly when you test it before casting? Throw the lure out a few feet and twitch it a couple of times to make sure you are getting the desired movement of the lure. Once you achieve the desired presentation next to shore, cast it out and work it back the same way. Just imagine during your retrieve what it looked like next to shore. This has been my #1 lure for smallmouth over the past 14 years, not sure why it does not work for you. If you have any questions, just let me know."

Appreciate it QM. Based on that, I am going to shorten my leader a bit as I've been closer to the 12-16 inch range. Then it is all up to my retrieve. I gotta get this figured out now I'm stubborn and just need to make it happen.

"The idea of wilderness needs no defense, it only needs defenders."

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Mad_Angler

06/03/2020 07:58AM

As for retrieve, I often go VERY slowly...

I let the lure rise and break the surface. Then I reel in a few feet or move my rod tip a few feet. The lure will twitch and dive. Then, I stop and wait for the lure to break the surface again. And then the process starts all over again..

Fish where the fish are...

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06/03/2020 09:47AM

CityFisher74: "Still have yet to get this to produce for me and I have given it at least 4 solid tries. Most recently this past weekend right below some rapids, casting up into them and reeling back with the current. I might have too long a distance between my Zulu and the swivel but other than that I am following it to a tee. And the spot was highly productive as I had caught 6 or 7 bass in the same location with a plan hook and leech under a slip bobber before right before throwing on the Zulu."

These are jerkbaits (made of soft plastic) and will dart and flop everywhere when you twitch/rip/jerk them. It mimics a dying baitfish/minnow/etc and is difficult for bass to resist. A straight retrieve won't do you any good. You need to snap the rod tip to get a darting action. 1, 2, or 3 quick successive jerks, then a pause. Vary the number of jerks and the duration of the pause as you retrieve it back. If you're working it somewhat quick and not getting bit in fishy places, slow down to 1-2 jerks and a long pause.

I too have not had any success on soft plastic jerkbaits like the ZToo or ShadZ but I had a blast with smallies, walleye, and pike on some hard jerkbaits the last couple weekends. It's all in the action - that darting dying fish action is irresistible to them. You may see them follow it as it darts around, give it one good long pause, and one medium twitch, and they'll lash out for it. It's super cool when you can see it happen!

Best of luck! I'll be throwing some of these again this year with renewed hopes!

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CityFisher74

06/03/2020 11:08AM

This makes sense all, thank you. Perhaps I have been fishing in too quick of current. Maybe I need to be just off the current so it has time to come back slowly. Heading to Ensign next week I'll give it another go.

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06/03/2020 09:04PM

CityFisher74: "This makes sense all, thank you. Perhaps I have been fishing in too quick of current. Maybe I need to be just off the current so it has time to come back slowly. Heading to Ensign next week I'll give it another go."

Yeah, one issue with jerkbaits or slackline techniques in moving water, or when drifting towards your bait due to wind (in a canoe for example), is line management, when you're trying to get the action right. With jerkbaits you need enough slack in the line so that the bait never swims forward due to reeling, it always cuts/darts and then pauses and either suspends or very slowly rises/sinks. It's that darting action that is important, and you can only get it if you have the right amount of slack such that when you jerk the rod, your rod has a nice snap that takes up all the slack and jerks the lure. It's easy to see visually when you're doing it right. The problem is when moving water/wind adds slack line, you need to be able to reel it up but also still have the right amount of slack to work the jerkbait. That definitely adds to the challenge.

I think you can definitely work a weightless (or swivel'd/Zulu-rigged) soft jerkbait near current, just not fast current. In faster current I would probably work it more aggressively to keep it moving and attracting attention, and only giving short pauses. I would fish it perpendicular to current as well if possible, so that as you retrieve it, it cuts across current. Bonus if you can pause it in an eddy - hard to imagine a fish that wouldn't eat something that stumbled into its eddy looking all dumb like a little baitfish flopping around the current.

Good luck on Ensign! I'll be just a bit north of you in the Knife area. :) Going in on the 6th with a tow from Williams & Hall.

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Wables

06/03/2020 10:52PM

I’ve had great success with these rigged with appropriate jig heads for walleyes in the Q. These are magic. I’m sure I’ve landed 50 walleyes per bait on Kawnipi.

"Hold on, I think I can get in without getting my feet wet."....SPLASH...

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QueticoMike

06/04/2020 07:36AM

Wables: "I’ve had great success with these rigged with appropriate jig heads for walleyes in the Q. These are magic. I’m sure I’ve landed 50 walleyes per bait on Kawnipi. "

What kind of jig heads are you using? What weight do you typically use?

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dizzylead

10/06/2023 07:14PM

Local bass pro only has the Zman Finesse Shadz in stock. Anyone have experience with these for the infamous Zulu rig? I can't quite tell what the difference is, looks to be unscented, single tail and only available in 4", but still looks the part.

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/z-man-finesse-shadz-soft-baits

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