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Haze311
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01/26/2016 08:48PM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
Working on a trip for this June and was looking for some help! I'm planning on going to the Man Chain Lakes via Cache Bay, going to be towed American Point through Saganagons lake. Since I'm technically starting in the BW, do I need to make a reservation for EP 55?
Thanks to Tumblehome for the thread on permits and whatnot, not sure if I missed this info in there.
 
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old_salt
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01/26/2016 10:01PM  
If you're being towed, you don't need a bw permit.
01/26/2016 10:23PM  
if you're being towed to american point you will need a day pass to paddle from AP to cache bay and a day pass to paddle back to AP (or if you're paddling back to the landing). if you got a tow to Hook Island you'll already be outside the BWCA so no permit or day pass needed. American Point is in the BW and you'll still have to paddle in the BW after your drop off to get into Cache Bay
Haze311
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01/26/2016 10:46PM  
quote Mocha: "if you're being towed to american point you will need a day pass to paddle from AP to cache bay and a day pass to paddle back to AP (or if you're paddling back to the landing). if you got a tow to Hook Island you'll already be outside the BWCA so no permit or day pass needed. American Point is in the BW and you'll still have to paddle in the BW after your drop off to get into Cache Bay"


Perfect, that's exactly what I needed, thank you!
DancesWithTrees
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01/28/2016 10:06AM  
quote Mocha: "if you're being towed to american point you will need a day pass to paddle from AP to cache bay and a day pass to paddle back to AP (or if you're paddling back to the landing). if you got a tow to Hook Island you'll already be outside the BWCA so no permit or day pass needed. American Point is in the BW and you'll still have to paddle in the BW after your drop off to get into Cache Bay"


I honestly didn't know this was the case. I've done probably 8 or 10 trips where we put in on the US side, paddled to Cache Bay or Prairie Portage or Lac La Croix and into QPP, and never got a BWCA permit. Just got the QPP permit. Is this new, or was I always breaking the rules?
plexmidwest
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01/28/2016 10:24AM  
Agreed, the tow to Hook Island for Cache Bay, American Point for the US trips.
01/28/2016 01:48PM  
quote DancesWithTrees: "
quote Mocha: "if you're being towed to american point you will need a day pass to paddle from AP to cache bay and a day pass to paddle back to AP (or if you're paddling back to the landing). if you got a tow to Hook Island you'll already be outside the BWCA so no permit or day pass needed. American Point is in the BW and you'll still have to paddle in the BW after your drop off to get into Cache Bay"

I honestly didn't know this was the case. I've done probably 8 or 10 trips where we put in on the US side, paddled to Cache Bay or Prairie Portage or Lac La Croix and into QPP, and never got a BWCA permit. Just got the QPP permit. Is this new, or was I always breaking the rules? "

Not new. And yes, technically against the rules.

However, in really bad wind and weather conditions the outfitters have an understanding with Janice the ranger in Cache Bay that they will drop folks off at American Point rather than Hook Island if it is too risky to get the tow boats out to Hook Island.

That has happened to me once where we were dropped at American Point and had to camp there for the night. We had no BWCA permit, but were told the rangers would understand if we were confronted. The next day we paddled into Cache Bay because Sag was angry and rolling.

billconner
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01/28/2016 02:29PM  
Start with the concept that if you are in the BWCAW, the regulations require you to have a valid permit. In a tow, your on the tow boat operator's permit. Paddling but not overnight - free day paddle permit. Take a blank one for return - even if you expect to be met by a tow - fill it out - take your copy - put other copy in the box when you get to the landing. Overnight in BWCAW - reserve and pick up a overnight paddle permit. (Lets not open if the OP permit is good for going and coming from the Q - the Duluth office says absolutely not - the permit is no longer valid after you cross the border - many outfitters and I suspect some rangers say otherwise.) No experience with motor permits but if in the BWCAW, you must have a valid permit.
DancesWithTrees
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01/29/2016 08:05AM  
quote billconner: "Start with the concept that if you are in the BWCAW, the regulations require you to have a valid permit. In a tow, your on the tow boat operator's permit. Paddling but not overnight - free day paddle permit. Take a blank one for return - even if you expect to be met by a tow - fill it out - take your copy - put other copy in the box when you get to the landing. Overnight in BWCAW - reserve and pick up a overnight paddle permit. (Lets not open if the OP permit is good for going and coming from the Q - the Duluth office says absolutely not - the permit is no longer valid after you cross the border - many outfitters and I suspect some rangers say otherwise.) No experience with motor permits but if in the BWCAW, you must have a valid permit. "


Thanks to you and Kiporby. Next time we'll get a permit, if we are going from the US side and aren't getting a tow.

Of course now that myself and most of the people I'd go with are older and not broke, we'll probably be using a tow anyway, haha.
02/07/2016 09:40PM  
Yep, the easiest is to get a tow to Hook Island so it won't be an issue.
 
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