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Crooked_Paddle
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04/03/2016 02:25PM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
I will be on a canoe camping trip to Quetico Park. I wonder if there are latrines & fire grills provided same as BWCA.

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04/03/2016 02:40PM  
Nope.

butthead
kscorps
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04/03/2016 02:50PM  
Nope, you have to bring a shovel and your own fire grate. Please make sure to burn your toilet paper! Burying it isn't enough as animals will dig it up/ it will rise to the surface eventually. Have fun in Quetico!
OldFingers57
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04/03/2016 03:23PM  
They do have rocks stacked up for a fireplace at most of the established campsites.
billconner
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04/03/2016 03:41PM  
You can camp anywhere, but easier and preferred for LNT to use established sites, of which there are a lot.
04/03/2016 05:25PM  
Quetico Grill (we brought one, someone had left one)


Quetico Latrine (bring your trowel)
Jackfish
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04/03/2016 05:51PM  
quote kscorps: "Please make sure to burn your toilet paper! Burying it isn't enough as animals will dig it up/ it will rise to the surface eventually."

NOTE that this is kscorps' suggestion, not an official Quetico rule.

Burying toilet paper using Leave No Trace techniques, burning and carrying out are all accepted methods by Quetico rules.
kscorps
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04/03/2016 06:58PM  
The rangers at Prairie told me to always burn TP, but they might just be taking a scorched earth policy on toilet paper since there's so much of it all over some of the popular campsites. I've never been a fan of packing out used TP but that's also another effective way of dealing with it.

04/03/2016 07:20PM  
quote Jackfish: "
quote kscorps: "Please make sure to burn your toilet paper! Burying it isn't enough as animals will dig it up/ it will rise to the surface eventually."

NOTE that this is kscorps' suggestion, not an official Quetico rule.

Burying toilet paper using Leave No Trace techniques, burning and carrying out are all accepted methods by Quetico rules."


My understanding is that as of last year official Quetico policy is that TP is to be burned or packed out. The ranger at PP was insistent that this was mandatory and park policy.
04/03/2016 09:35PM  
We were told the same thing 2 years ago. No burying.
Jackfish
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04/03/2016 10:03PM  
If I'm wrong, my bad... and my apologies. All the paperwork I've ever seen has said burying, burning or carrying out. Maybe someone can help find a reference.
kscorps
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04/03/2016 10:37PM  
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Looking at this (http://www.quetico100.com/resources/Andrea2015/Wilderness%20Guide%202015.pdf), it doesn't specifically name toilet paper as something that can be buried. However this passage seems to cover it:

Litter: Pack out all non-burnable garbage, including
tinfoil. You may not leave any litter in a Provincial Park,
except in a place designated for that purpose. Likewise,
you must keep your interior campsite clean and sanitary at
all times. This will help prevent problems with bears and
will also help to preserve Quetico’s wilderness.

I'm going to err on the side of TP falling into the category of little, coupled with what the rangers are telling people. I will say that I've seen animals digging up buried TP, and I'll go check for any TP lying around so I can burn it along with whatever TP I'm using (I try to avoid using paper since natural stuff can just be thrown in the cathole). Honestly I kinda wish they'd really go out there and double down on disseminating information online, like having an official site with a concrete set of rules on it. Not everyone is going to know to head to quetico100.com and navigate to the Wilderness Guide on an obscure page. I guess that's why they have people visit the ranger stations, though.
thinblueline
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04/03/2016 11:22PM  
I burn my toilet paper right in the cat hole. It only takes a couple minutes and then when it's burned down to ash, cover up the hole. To me, leaving toilet paper in a hole just delays the inevitable, that it will resurface for everyone to be grossed out by. Packing it out grosses me out. I think there's only one truly good way of doing it..."Fire in the hole!".
thinblueline
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04/03/2016 11:25PM  
Oh, for the grill...Look up Purcell Trench Grill and thank me later.
04/03/2016 11:46PM  
quote thinblueline: "Oh, for the grill...Look up Purcell Trench Grill and thank me later."


I second the motion. Purcell Trench Grills
joetrain
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04/04/2016 01:42AM  
The trench grill is great but if you are "el cheapo" like me then just find a grill from a cheap small charcoal grill. I am still on my first one and it has been over 30 years.

~JOE~
MagicPaddler
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04/04/2016 05:55AM  
I just love cooking over left over toilet paper. The part that has that brown stuff on so it burns slower and gets left behind. It so nice now cleaning out the burn pit and getting the foil balls out. Encouraging people to put dirty toilet paper in the cooking heat source is a BAD BAD BAD idea. I will be doing a lot less cleaning fire pits. I will be making my own fire pit somewhere else to cook on. I have seen some toilet paper dug up by something but it is less than 1% of the toilet paper I have seen on the surface of the ground. Most 99% is never berried.
billconner
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04/04/2016 08:36AM  
quote MagicPaddler: " Most 99% is never berried. "


That spell check raises some interesting possibilities.
OldFingers57
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04/04/2016 10:27AM  
quote billconner: "
quote MagicPaddler: " Most 99% is never berried. "

That spell check raises some interesting possibilities."

Must have gotten it from the term "dingle berries".

billconner
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04/04/2016 12:16PM  
quote OldFingers57: "
quote billconner: "
quote MagicPaddler: " Most 99% is never berried. "

That spell check raises some interesting possibilities."

Must have gotten it from the term "dingle berries" "

I just figured he didn't go during berry season...

04/04/2016 12:43PM  
quote thinblueline: "I burn my toilet paper right in the cat hole. It only takes a couple minutes and then when it's burned down to ash, cover up the hole. To me, leaving toilet paper in a hole just delays the inevitable, that it will resurface for everyone to be grossed out by. Packing it out grosses me out. I think there's only one truly good way of doing it..."Fire in the hole!"."


A little squirt of hand sanitizer on top of the TP gets it burning well...
04/04/2016 01:21PM  
+3 on Purcell Trench grills.

+2 squirting some hand sanitizer on toilet paper before burying the destruction.

And for the fashionable gram weenie... Deuce Shovel
CanoeKev
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04/04/2016 03:51PM  
quote MagicPaddler: "I just love cooking over left over toilet paper. The part that has that brown stuff on so it burns slower and gets left behind. It so nice now cleaning out the burn pit and getting the foil balls out. Encouraging people to put dirty toilet paper in the cooking heat source is a BAD BAD BAD idea. I will be doing a lot less cleaning fire pits. I will be making my own fire pit somewhere else to cook on. I have seen some toilet paper dug up by something but it is less than 1% of the toilet paper I have seen on the surface of the ground. Most 99% is never berried. "

+1

04/05/2016 11:29AM  
I don't own a Purcell grill, but in 2014 we used one. They are very nice, lightweight, and sturdy.
I had a Coghlans folding grill, but it must have found its way to the single sock universe...
Stumpy
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04/19/2016 12:55PM  
quote CanoeKev: "
quote MagicPaddler: "I just love cooking over left over toilet paper. The part that has that brown stuff on so it burns slower and gets left behind. It so nice now cleaning out the burn pit and getting the foil balls out. Encouraging people to put dirty toilet paper in the cooking heat source is a BAD BAD BAD idea. I will be doing a lot less cleaning fire pits. I will be making my own fire pit somewhere else to cook on. I have seen some toilet paper dug up by something but it is less than 1% of the toilet paper I have seen on the surface of the ground. Most 99% is never berried. "

+1

"

Agree !......Don't burn....bury it.
old_salt
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04/19/2016 02:53PM  
Some may be looking for a dual purpose tool. Nothing I've seen can be used as both a latrine/grill.
04/19/2016 04:35PM  
It's their park, their rules. Respect and consideration suggests we follow them. Common sense, birch bark and a hot fire make it quick and easy.
Stumpy
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04/20/2016 12:16AM  
Not the rule, just a suggestion , either way, I'm not burning or packing out poo .
PineKnot
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04/20/2016 04:38AM  
quote Stumpy: "Not the rule, just a suggestion , either way, I'm not burning or packing out poo ."


Sums up my view very nicely...
04/20/2016 06:13AM  
quote PineKnot: "
quote Stumpy: "Not the rule, just a suggestion , either way, I'm not burning or packing out poo ."

Sums up my view very nicely..."

I'm a very good digger and hider. Dig 'em deep!

04/20/2016 10:14AM  
quote Stumpy: "Not the rule, just a suggestion. Either way, I'm not burning or packing out poo."

Last year I asked park staff if it was "suggestion or rule". I was told quite plainly by rangers last year that burning or packing out was "mandatory" park wide.

GraniteCliffs
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04/20/2016 11:46AM  
Dig deep. Burn hot. Bury well.
Works for me.
04/22/2016 05:57AM  
Burning TP out in the woods just seems like a really bad idea...
04/22/2016 06:36AM  
Light heartedly following along, question what about a burn ban?
Use leaves and twigs?

butthead
mr.barley
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04/22/2016 01:50PM  
quote butthead: "Light heartedly following along, question what about a burn ban?
Use leaves and twigs?


butthead"
You'd have to put it on a stick and burn it up with your cook stove, Ken ;-)
04/23/2016 06:50AM  
Burning in the hole then burying seems feasible.

Besides, yelling "FIRE IN THE HOLE!!" might be fun.

04/23/2016 08:05AM  
quote TomT: "Burning in the hole then burying seems feasible.

Besides, yelling "FIRE IN THE HOLE!!" might be fun. "

Which would indeed be great fun since you just yelled "DUECE IN THE HOLE!!!"

04/23/2016 08:25AM  
quote mr.barley: "
quote butthead: "Light heartedly following along, question what about a burn ban? Use leaves and twigs?

butthead"
You'd have to put it on a stick and burn it up with your cook stove, Ken ;-)"

I think I'll resort to containment.

butthead
04/27/2016 01:25PM  
We try to plan ahead (not always possible, admittedly) and do our business when we are away from camp out fishing or travelling. If we are camped on an island we will paddle to the mainland, away from other campsites, and hike as far into the bush as possible.
 
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