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05/20/2016 05:19PM  
New Trip Report posted by zelmsdawg

Trip Name: Irregular Muskies in the WCPP.

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AdamXChicago
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05/20/2016 07:02PM  
Enjoyed your report - thanks for sharing!
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hobbydog
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05/20/2016 10:50PM  
That took several brews to read but well worth it. I went through Irregular in 2013 and made a few half hearted cast for muskies. It was my plan was to return this year and spend a full day or two fishing it before exiting to the south Eagle Lake and then return to the park via the Bird River EP. But with the fire this year the Garner EP may not be viable. Fortunately it looks like the fire has spared Irregular Lake.

On my 2013 trip all the portages from Irregular back to the S lake were very easy and uneventful. On the long portage out of what you called Jigsaw Lake (actually Jester Lake) I met a couple coming out on my way in. The wife was carrying a royalex canoe without a portage yoke, balancing the bottom of the canoe on her head. She could not see me coming and when I said hi,I startled her. Her husband was a couple hundred yards behind her carrying an "easy pack". I found that kind of amusing.

If you thought the road to Beresford was interesting you should have tried it on Labor Day weekend (holiday weekend there too) Those sharp corners are really interesting with oncoming traffic. Then there was the naked lady story. Lets just say the Manitoba folks like to drink. :) If you do go that way again it is a much easier drive if you go up the east side of Lake Winnipeg through Bisset and back south the Beresford. A bit longer but much better road (blacktop most of the way). The drive through Bisset is worth it. An interesting place.

Really enjoyed the report and the pictures.
05/21/2016 07:16AM  
Enjoyed the report Zelms. A good Saturday AM read. I did a WC trip in 2014 and will be returning this fall. WCPP is so "wild" it makes the BW seem like a state park. Fantastic fishing and the critters, even chipmunks and squirrels, avoid humans as they should. As for occasionally encountering an outpost cabin or a 9hp fishing boat, it doesn't bother me in the least. For those who prefer an easier trip and can afford to fly in, I am glad they are able to enjoy the park "their way." In fact, I kinda feel sorry for them knowing what they are missing by not silently canoeing, camping in the woods, nor moving slowly and smelling the roses. Looks as if you slammed the Muskies. Ahhhh, such memories for you and your dad.
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05/23/2016 12:41PM  
I concur with other posters...great report...impressed with your fishing exploits...sounded like a great trip. I hope to get to WCPP someday.
05/26/2016 01:32PM  
I appreciate all the comments, thank you.

Hobbydog - you are correct, I changed everything to Jester. I don't know where I got it from, but in my opinion jigsaw is a cool lake name.

If someone ever finds themselves lucky enough to be headed towards irregular in the future, I'd be happy to share some more information. It might take me a while to get back however, as I don't look at this site too frequently.

Good luck on this summer's trips
05/30/2016 10:31PM  
I thought they all looked pretty much like regular muskies...:)
Nice report.
05/31/2016 09:23AM  
very impressive
goatroti
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05/31/2016 07:21PM  
I read your report and was incredulous. I am surprised that with your lack of planning and the offhand manner that you dismissed essentials in the boreal that you survived. Good for you, you were lucky. No Sat phone, no spot, garbage bag food containers, not cleaning your campsite or putting away things before turning in for the night, inadequate maps and a concern for fish, fishing, and fishing maps above all else, you were setting yourself up for failure. Like I said, you were lucky. Lucky you weren't hit with 3-4 cold days of wind and rain, lucky your food wasn't stolen by a large predator, lucky you didn't get hit by 200 mph shear winds that can wipe out your whole camp in seconds, lucky a moose didn't walk through your camp and your tent while you were asleep. And then you were lucky to return to a car that wasn't trashed or stolen.

Please, if you are considering an extended trip into the boreal forest of Northern Ontario, do not prepare like these two did. Don't count on being lucky.

P.S. If you can't catch fish in these northern lakes, you can't catch fish. Who needs a fishing map?
Mondo63
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06/01/2016 01:25PM  
Great report. Not sure what the Goat is talking about. Not sure how you gird yourself from storms when you are in the wilderness. Maybe he can channel Al Gore and keep the straight line winds from hammering him. Love all the fishing reports. Glad you had a great trip.
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06/01/2016 01:46PM  
Goat- If you know how to avoid bad weather when you're planning a trip 3-6 months in advance, please share. Your post script made my head explode. I couldn't u-turn from a rant about bad preparation to a criticism FOR good preparation that fast.
goatroti
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06/01/2016 02:58PM  
You guys are all glad they caught fish. Good for you. These guys were ill-prepared and lucky. Next time, maybe not.
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06/01/2016 05:26PM  
Sweet trip and report. I wish my son would do a trip like that with me. Well played.
06/07/2016 07:35AM  
Goatroti,

Normally, I'd say better to be lucky than an ahole and leave it at that. But I was curious so I read all your previous posts on this site. No trolling, or other blind insults and you seem to be mildly helpful and involved so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You did raise some good points - albeit poorly, and they are worth clarifying because the whole reason we use a site like this is to share information and experiences with others.

You made a number of assumptions, however, and it is difficult not take offense. In your shoes, I would have asked a couple of clarifying questions first, but you decided not to. So my response might be a little barbed. But I'll try to address each of your issues. A little because I feel the need to defend myself, but also because I don't want others reading the report and response to be mislead - even if it is the case that I was ill-prepared. The reason I choose to publish this in part so others could learn from my experiences, both good and bad.

So, working backwards, fishing. Yes, it is fishing focused. The whole reason I published this report was because of the lack of fishing information I found when I was preparing for the trip. That was the whole point. All of it. And you yourself proclaimed you're not much of a fisherman, so I can understand why you don't think some things like a map warrant so much attention. Fishing without a lake map is like taking a trip without a map. No serious angler wants to be blind like no competent paddler would. And fishing for muskies is a different game than any other species, no matter where you are. For those who take fishing focused trips, my intended audience, this is important topic.

Vehicle - This one was a surprise. Reading other trip reports, I learned how others had parked at the campground with a permit. Thus informed, I called the campgrounds office and specifically asked about the parking situation, giving them my dates and talking about our plans. I was told everything would be okay and being an ill-prepared idiot, believed them. But even today, looking back I feel pretty good that I checked the parking box going in. Getting to the campground and finding it unstaffed when I was told it would be was something I doubt anyone can plan for. Maybe without a place to park, others would have turned around and left after 2 days of driving and months of planning. But we wanted to take our trip. So we did the what we thought was best in that case. I think we handled it as well as one could and think most would do something similar. We felt the reward was worth the risk, but that is a decision everyone has to make for themselves.

Moose crushing us in our tent - Think you just have to roll the dice on that one.

200mph shear winds - Not sure what one can do about that one either. We don't pitch our tents anywhere near dead trees, which mitigates some, but on a fundamental level you don't take these trips if you aren't willing to live with some risk. Maybe it is offhand, but if you at least have some basic woodcraft knowledge and skills(and duct tape), you can handle most issues. And the ones you can't probably can't by anyone. Our backup saw is kept in the tent should we get pinned, as well as our first aide kit but one can only do so much. And the straight line winds that have gone through the parks in the past are closer to 70 or 80hpm. Still dangerous, but its not a hurricane.

Large predators - This point was the one I thought needed clarifying the most. The reason I included what I did was solely to make the point that you more than likely not going to find a hanging tree if you visit this park. And I know a lot of people do prefer to hang their food, and didn't want anyone to be surprised by that when they arrived. Not everyone reads all the trip reports, analyzes backgrounds of pictures or watches youtube videos to get a better feel for what environment they are entering. I also think there is a chance you saw garbage bag and nothing else because its mentioned at the end. And I have to believe by that point you had made up your mind about this report. As I stated earlier, I wrote this with a fishing focus. I didn't want to have to tell people not to keep toothpaste or chapstick in their tent. There are more than enough information out there about that stuff without me needing to include it. Especially since as others had pointed out, nicely I might add, that it was long enough. So yes our food is in a garbage bag. But that is after it has all been taken out of its original containers and re-packaged pretrip so that the garbage bag, in this case, is just the last layer. That I could have been more clear about. Food items are individually vacuum sealed, then put in a baggie, then a meal specific sealed bag, those into garbage bag1 tied off twice, and that is placed into pack1 which we carry. At night, that is all put into pack2(extra waterproofing), finally garbage bag2, which is actually an industrial bag which is also tied off twice. The food is then placed a ways away from camp into the woods away from the shoreline. Something like cups or pots are stacked on top so we know if anything is happening. If a bear is going to eat my food, at the least I'd like to get a picture out of it. In 25+yrs of this, we have never had a bear, squirrel or mouse problem. Should that happen, worse case, we are only 2 days of travel from food with plenty of clean water and we would have all our cooking and fishing gear. Maybe the report seemed like I handled these things in an offhand manner, but one can only write so much.

Cold rainy days - I mentioned that we packed warm clothing not knowing what the weather would be like. So I don't get this one. The sleeping bag I use got me through a trip where the high was -4F. We also had raingear, tarp and tent among other things to keep us dry. Sure were lucky we didn't have to use them, but we would have been fine.

Maps - These were what I considered one of the weakest part of our trip. And its worth noting we did lose a set, but thats why you bring extra. But I suspect you might be basing this off of the one map I put in the report as what we used to navigate. And that would be an incorrect assumption. That was only added because when I finished writing, I realized how much more helpful it would be to have a map. I mean, sideways 'S' shaped lake? No one is going to no where that is if I don't point it out. So I did. And maybe its luck, but we didn't get lost once and always knew where we were, which I think should be evidence enough. That is the only purpose of a map. Maybe what we bring is not enough for others, but thats knowing what you need to navigate safely and everyone is at their own level.

Putting everything away at night - We did this. No where does it say otherwise so I'm not sure where you're coming from on this. Maybe it was the one time when we heard a storm coming and went out and double checked to make sure camp was secure, but I'd call that a good habit. I even think the pictures with the canoe on land show it tied down. Which we did first thing every time we brought it out.

Clean camp - Same as above, where is this coming from? I can understand the source of the concerns about the food, vehicle, or spot but these claims are baseless. Our camps are immaculate. You won't find a even find a bread tie. Every snipit of fishing line cut is religiously packed out. There is nothing that is left out that hasn't been cleaned. All wash water and residue is dumped or buried a good walk into the woods. Perhaps you read that the first night we came into a campsite that already had a lot of garbage, and incorrectly thought that was ours. We discussed cleaning that camp up, as is our practice, but because it was already late and dark we choose not to. It was the first day and taking all that garbage into the park with us would have been a stupid thing to do. If we even had the room, which we didn't. On the way out however, we picked up a full bag worth of other's peoples crap from the portages and campsites as is tradition. The world would be a cleaner place if more people practiced our habits.

Garbage bag - see large predators.

Sat phone/spot - No trip is ever going to be bulletproof, and all have some risk in them. Thats something I, and others I travel with understand and accept. Nonetheless, we did consider taking a spot and I discussed that. Were we slightly less safe? Probably. But given our circumstances thats how it worked out. If I was planning a trip again and knew it was just 2 people, I'd strongly consider taking one. But I don't think not having one is worth not taking the trip if you feel comfortable enough. That doesn't mean its something I'd recommend to others, but I don't think its worth getting your feathers all ruffled up about either. Each person needs to decide where their own balance of risk lies.

Offhand manner of essentials - See fishing. What the report was focused about.

Lack of planning - Something that can't be proven either way, especially through a written report. But very few trips were better prepared whether you believe me or not. There is a reason we got lucky so many times, its not just the island calling. We know things. And besides, who writes about the all the things that go right? I don't. Just the one of two that could have gone better in the hopes that others are able to avoid them.

If you have any other concerns that I didn't address, say so - courteously please - and I'll do my best. I'm not here to mislead about the potential dangers of wilderness travels.

I wish you luck in your future travels.
goatroti
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06/07/2016 01:21PM  
No sat phone , no spot. If you have any of the problems I mentioned, you're up the creek. Parks in the boreal forest aren't BWCA. Not having communications out there sets you up for big failure. The rest of my points fall in line after that.
Thanks for clearing up some of the unclear points.
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06/08/2016 12:30PM  
Poor planning and/or preparation can set you up increased chances of a failure. Freak events like a storm or moose can possibly create a failure. But whether you have communication or not doesn't change whether those failures happen or not. Sat/spot can be useful if a failure happens but even then, they can't help in all circumstances.

I'm not questioning that they help, and are important. If I go again I said I'd take one. But not having one doesn't lead to failure. Anyone who went camping 20yrs ago when sat phones weren't around didn't start already set up to fail. If something went wrong, they couldn't call in the calvary sure, but that doesn't mean they automatically get a life sentence.
06/08/2016 12:32PM  
My bad, I wasn't signed in
hobbydog
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06/08/2016 06:49PM  
Zelmsdawg, Wasn't sure if you were going to respond. I wouldn't have been so nice.

Gotroti,

You were way out of line. A lot of us use these trip reports in planning our trips. I have been to Irregular and spent a night there before but plan on going back for the fishing and this report was helpful. Your snarky critique on a great trip report was not.

I go solo and I take a SPOT, but only because it gives my wife/family peace of mind. People have been tripping to the far reaches of the Canadian bush long before Sat Communication devices. Taking the risk is part of the experience for some of us and that risk is greatly reduced with solid experience and good planning. Even with a SAT device there is no guarantee it will work. One could even argue it is a crutch that could cause you to take unnecessary risks. Speaking of risk, fishing for muskie out of a canoe on a big lake is a lot of risk by itself. Maybe we should all just stay home and watch reality TV.

goatroti
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06/08/2016 08:38PM  
Bah!
06/09/2016 02:44PM  
Hobbydog,

We all have our faults.

If you end up back on Irregular, let me know and I can provide a few more details. We found a couple spots that stood out over the rest.
06/12/2016 06:43PM  
Sounds like a great trip.
Marten
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06/14/2016 05:56PM  
I really enjoyed the report and I do not really like fishing. My enjoyment may have come because you had a solid plan and goals. Your extensive research impressed me. I could tell you really studied the little info that is available for the Irregular area. It has been a goal of mine to find a direct route from Garner into Irregular and I think that the forest is now old enough to allow for that.

For the every cast Walleye set your sights on Walking Stick Lake. There are no portages cut yet but just paddle up the creek from Carroll. I can show you my friends honey hole.
06/14/2016 06:58PM  
I really enjoyed the report. As a fisherman I was happy to get all the details on lures and such. It's a goal for me to reach WCCP one of these years. Even though you didn't get one over 40 it appears that you guys had a real good time. Nice pics too.

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06/26/2016 08:36PM  
So this trip didn't happen yet?
Trip Type: Paddling Canoe
Entry Date: 08/26/2016
Entry & Exit Point: Other
Number of Days: 12
Group Size: 2
Just kidding, nice report. Sounds like you had a good time considering all the peril you put yourself in. Watch out for those Moose, especially the flying moose.
lundojam
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07/05/2016 08:02PM  
Thank you for the report and for setting a wonderful example of how to handle someone taking baseless shots at a stranger on the internet. I wouldn't have been as friendly. I do forgive you, though, goat.

PS We just got back from a poorly planned, messy-as-hell, no SPOT, ultra-heavy trip down LIS and it was great.
 
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