I haven't brought myself to listen to the radio interview, but this just sounds ridiculous

quote BobberRob: "I haven't brought myself to listen to the radio interview, but this just sounds ridiculous "

It IS ridiculous, but listen to it. If you're anything like me, you will see she needs to have spent more time WORKING and less time at the books. My "Privilege" is that people in my childhood instilled a "Work ethic" instead of idiotic intellectual drivel like that professor oozes! It had nothing to do with being "White" and it had nothing to do with "Privilege. As I said in another thread about this, "Why is it that "Intellectuals" feel more comfortable "Labeling" everyone as they do animals?" Maybe the world is a little less "Scary" to them if everything has a "Label?"

We need to put this thread to bed. Nothing we can say here can change anything.

it is ridiculous but there are some points made in the actual interview.
However her scholarly field of view is incredibly narrow. It dwells on the past and one segment of the canoeing community. Nothing about summer camps and cottage canoeing.

She is totally unaware that FN made canoes way before the white man

I am not surprised. Academes usually have a thesis( publish or perish) to prove.. and she failed.

the actual interview

I have to hold my tongue on this one. I have two canoes and am white. Guess In today's polical correct world that makes me a racist pig. I love and respect nature and love getting away from the everyday rat race and just being on my own or with friends and family on the water. What's next?
I'm glad sometimes I live in a very unpolitical correct state of Oklahoma.
Feel very sorry for this person.

Haven't brought myself to listen to the interview either, but just looking at the basic premise that emerges from it, couldn't it go the other way and symbolize a gentler and much more ethical return to ideas regarding the land that we only now have come to understand as a society? Or that there are some things that just never go out of style? It all depends on your perspective and your starting presuppositions, as do all conversations for that matter.

Even if 'White Privilege' exists, what good does it do to tell a young black child that white people have privilege? What does it accomplish? Why not tell them that there will be challenges in life, some people will not like you, maybe even because of the color of your skin, but you can overcome.

From what I understand, a vast majority of American Indians that died back then, died from disease that they had no immunity built up against. Even if it was genocide, what good does it do to teach this narrative to young American Indians? Has this narrative served them well? Are they thriving in the current society?

This is exactly the kind of thing that is wrong with our education system today. I encourage everyone to listen to this interview, because this is what is being taught in our universities.

When I was fish on Lac Seul a couple of years ago, I was fishing next to a bridge and heard some young Indian girls talking. One ask the other: "Why are they fishing on our lake". What have these girls been taught, and how is it serving them to think of fishermen who are staying at the lodge that their tribe runs are somehow intruders. Fishermen are providing for them. It's very sad to me.

yellowcanoe says ".. and she failed."

ditto :-)

the world is chuck full of ridiculousness

@IceColdGold Weird that the girls reacted that way, given the number of non-indigenous people who fish Lac Seul. Maybe they were playing to you, doing a little show to make you shift in your seat.

I listened to the interview. It was a lot of detours with no destination. Her data bank is too small too, based upon her story about the cairn. It's expensive to reach the tundra or Arctic. A professor could do it, but I can't. Buying those flights north takes major money.

And she wants us to reflect on who used to own the land before we put a paddle in the water? Does she make the same reflection before she puts a key in her car? Sounds exhausting to be saddled with so much shame. However, her points about supporting the businesses of native folks and honoring treaty rights are valid.

She was surprised by how good of spellers they were... Really? And apparently only upper class white men can be good spellers now? She might need to rethink that argument...

We shouldn't even be given this kind of people the time of day. They are ignorant and only want to cause trouble and are full of hate. I think in my opinion we should just let this all go. We all know better and shouldn't give them the satisfaction that they upset us.

quote IceColdGold: "Even if 'White Privilege' exists, what good does it do to tell a young black child that white people have privilege? What does it accomplish? Why not tell them that there will be challenges in life, some people will not like you, maybe even because of the color of your skin, but you can overcome. "

White privilege isn't meant for young black kids. Its meant for white people to reflect that being a white person has given you opportunities/privileges/less obstacles or however you want to describe it, which were not given and/or explicitly removed from being born black. Its asking for reflection.

quote flopnfolds: "

quote IceColdGold: "Even if 'White Privilege' exists, what good does it do to tell a young black child that white people have privilege? What does it accomplish? Why not tell them that there will be challenges in life, some people will not like you, maybe even because of the color of your skin, but you can overcome. "

White privilege isn't meant for young black kids. Its meant for white people to reflect that being a white person has given you opportunities/privileges/less obstacles or however you want to describe it, which were not given and/or explicitly removed from being born black. Its asking for reflection. "

I think this subject has no place on here anymore. What's the point of even talking about this. All this does is make bad feelings from everyone. There's nothing any of us canoers can say on this thread to change the past. All this silly talk does is keep everybody upset. We fought and won a civil war to make our wrongs right. The bloodiest war in American history. We have a private forum on here for political talk. I'd like to ask a moderator to close this thread please. All this is doing is causing trouble on here.
Mike

@ Whatsit......agree. There are a few folks here constantly turn threads into political arguments. No one here is swayed by or cares to hear their political opinions. Please post them elsewhere.

I see that my original, brilliant post was deleted. Oh well. The truth is often inconvenient, uncomfortable, and not politically correct.

Jeez. Don't open a thread if it doesn't interest you. The thread has been mostly respectful and people don't have to agree with each other.

The thread is about canoe and genocide. Politics is going to come up.

While this article isnt necessarily about being politically correct in a direct way, I feel like this misguided idea is born out of the PC movement.

I see a great need for political/social leaders to stand up to political correctness. Far reaching unchecked liberal ideology is shown at its worst in this article. Sam Harris is a name that comes to mind in defending rational logic vs political correctness. Compare Sam Harris to Trump and you will see what a real intellectual looks like in addressing modern day political correct tendencies.

P.S. PC is still needed in moderation, and bless this authors right to share whatever crazy view they want lol

quote flopnfolds: "Jeez. Don't open a thread if it doesn't interest you. The thread has been mostly respectful and people don't have to agree with each other.


The thread is about canoe and genocide. Politics is going to come up.


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This thread is about canoes and genocide correct, but it has opened up a subject that in my opinion has no place on here. I agree 100% with both Arctic and AndySG
I've seen this sort of talk turn nasty very quickly and as a supporter of this forum I think very highly of it I don't want to see that happen on here and I trust others don't either

I am highly offended by the professor's assessment. Since the day I stole bogwalker's Kevlar Wenonah Prism nine years ago, I'd be hard-pressed to classify all my killings as "genocide". Far from it!