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mastertangler
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02/19/2017 07:48PM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
I caught wind of these in Esox magazine and they certainly piqued my interest. They have that "wandering" lure trac that I have found to be supremely effective.

We used to speed troll in Lake Minnintaki up near Sioux Lookout using Bomber long A's in Rainbow trout color. We would get the lure almost to the point where it would wash out to the side but come back again only to wash out to the other side. It was literally all over the place. I will never forget the locals asking with stuttering lips "if we were trolling?" The reason for their unbelief was we were pushing a huge wake with rods bent double as we whisked by them while they were back trolling their crawlers and leeches. We got their attention back at the docks in the evening with catches of big walleye which were caught mid lake over 40 ft of water.

My only thought with the Headlock is does it have to go fast to get the wandering action and will have I have to get another job to purchase one? Dang they are sort of proud of them! That its been getting some fatties is not in dispute.

Headlock


Headlock Utube

Headlock Utube

I'm thinking of getting the gold one but what say the members of BWCA? Should I get a different color?
 
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mr.barley
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02/19/2017 08:38PM  
80 bucks? no thanks.
 
yogi59weedr
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02/19/2017 08:47PM  
That's gotta be for the set...80.00 for 1. NFW
.. I once had a gold cap replaced on my tooth. I asked the doc if I could keep it.
In bewilderment he let me have it.
I then cut it in half. On one I took a torch to it and attached a small hook.
The other one I drilled a hole and attached a hook. People will ask me what color you using and I'll smile and say gold....
Had them for 30 yrs....
 
02/19/2017 10:38PM  
I think my wife would put me in a headlock until I returned it if I got one of those! LOL
 
02/20/2017 12:27AM  
My thought would be can I paddle hard enough to even pull this lure? I would think it would be like trying to pull a 150 pound hog through the water. I looked at their website and now I expect to see a $5 charge on my credit card. $8o is more than I spend for all my lures I take to Canada.. FRED
 
02/20/2017 06:02PM  

Wow! Thanks MT. I am going after Moby Dick this year and I will have several Headlocks in the tackle suitcase.
 
mastertangler
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02/20/2017 09:11PM  


Everybody into something.........I wonder what the bar bill for the year is for some of the naysayers?

In any event I'm definitely going to give these a shot. I'm sure they are probably much easier than a full size dipsy diver to pull and probably much like a Legend (another large wooden lure). I had no problem pulling the Legend for several hours at a time but I am a pretty strong paddler........my only concern is if I will be able top pull it fast enough for it to strut its stuff. They say it starts wandering at about 3 mph and really gets erratic at about 5.

Interesting lure to say the least and written up very well with lots of 50's to its credit.

Gold or silver? I usually like gold but the profile of the Headlock looks much like a whitefish does it not and perhaps silver would be the ticket. Probably remove the front hook.

In the same article they talked about another hand carved wooden lure which went for $130 a piece and Musky crew were getting 5 at a time at some Musky show and the guy who makes them can't keep up with demand. Like I said, everybody is into something.



 
mastertangler
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02/21/2017 07:21AM  
quote brux: "I think my wife would put me in a headlock until I returned it if I got one of those! LOL"


Ha! Thats funny.........There is an old saying which I have definitely found to be true......its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. And if they do get ticked just grab the bottle of massage oil and in twenty minutes they are fine.
 
mastertangler
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02/27/2017 02:22PM  
Reading and looking at videos on the Headlock and I am trying to figure out if I should take one on a canoe trip or not.

From everything I am hearing they don't do much wandering until you hit about 5 MPH. How fast does an average guy go in a solo anyway? Hate to lug it around and I can't pull it fast enough.
 
zski
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02/27/2017 05:07PM  
if you have to decide on one color, i think silver is the way to go.
 
mastertangler
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02/28/2017 07:20AM  
quote zski: "if you have to decide on one color, i think silver is the way to go."


Now you went and done it! I was thinking silver to mimic whitefish but I have always done better with gold. OK.......silver it is! ;-)

If I get that 50" toothy on it I will buy you dinner when I am in the Windy City.
 
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02/28/2017 07:28AM  
quote zski: "if you have to decide on one color, i think silver is the way to go."


Please don't feed the bears they keep coming back.
 
zski
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02/28/2017 09:34AM  
quote mastertangler: "
quote zski: "if you have to decide on one color, i think silver is the way to go."



Now you went and done it! I was thinking silver to mimic whitefish but I have always done better with gold. OK.......silver it is! ;-)


If I get that 50" toothy on it I will buy you dinner when I am in the Windy City. "
sounds good MT!
 
mastertangler
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03/06/2017 07:03PM  
Just got my Headlock today and am very impressed........just looking at the lure inspires confidence. I got the 10" version and it fits right in with some of my other hard baits which pike have smashed.......And yes I did get the silver one.

The owner called me and wondered if I was going to use it in Salt water......."yup, some day". Seems like the wandering action and high speeds would be absolutely devastating on Salt water fish. I just wonder how long it would last being fed to 5' cudas.

Then I proceeded to ask him how much I would get paid every time I advertised for him by wearing his T shirt and he seemed genuinely confused. Nice guy........baits are made in St Paul.

Now I'm looking at Lee Lures Pelagic........another wandering style bait. He is very proud of those wanting $130 a piece. Hard enough to pull the trigger on the Headlock. I wonder if the T shirts are as cool ;-)
 
mastertangler
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03/06/2017 07:15PM  
quote mastertangler: "Just got my Headlock today and am very impressed........just looking at the lure inspires confidence. I got the 10" version and it fits right in with some of my other hard baits which pike have smashed.......And yes I did get the silver one.


The owner called me and wondered if I was going to use it in Salt water......."yup, some day". Seems like the wandering action and high speeds would be absolutely devastating on Salt water fish. I just wonder how long it would last being fed to 5' cudas.


Then I proceeded to ask him how much I would get paid every time I advertised for him by wearing his T shirt and he seemed genuinely confused. Nice guy........baits are made in St Paul.


Now I'm looking at Lee Lures Pelagic........another wandering style bait. He is very proud of those wanting $130 a piece. Hard enough to pull the trigger on the Headlock. I wonder if the T shirts are as cool ;-)"


Pelagic

Lee Lures
 
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03/07/2017 06:55PM  
if you want a wandering lure that works well at low speed look into some T-50 or T-60 flat fish or K15 Kwikfish.
 
03/08/2017 04:19AM  
quote mastertangler: "

Everybody into something.........I wonder what the bar bill for the year is for some of the naysayers?


In any event I'm definitely going to give these a shot. I'm sure they are probably much easier than a full size dipsy diver to pull and probably much like a Legend (another large wooden lure). I had no problem pulling the Legend for several hours at a time but I am a pretty strong paddler........my only concern is if I will be able top pull it fast enough for it to strut its stuff. They say it starts wandering at about 3 mph and really gets erratic at about 5.


Interesting lure to say the least and written up very well with lots of 50's to its credit.
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If you have the extra dime, go for it and buy what you want. Everyone has priorities, and are willing to splurge on their hobbies. Ever since I quit drinking, almost all of that extra money has been rolled into outdoors hobbies (new boat, lots of decoys, musky baits, ice auger, etc). A lot of people just scoff at it because it is $80, but confidence while I'm fishing and eventually a picture with a 50+ inch bruiser is easily worth the money to me.

Now the headlock is a big lure with a fat lip, trolling that in a solo canoe is going to be a serious work out, and I'm not sure you will be able to achieve the speed to make it effective. Better fished from a boat in my opinion. But I would be interested to hear how it goes. I don't own one, but have held them considering biting the bullet. Haha. My Muskie arsenal is up to around 40 lures at this point, that's already a steep investment.
 
mastertangler
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03/08/2017 05:40AM  
quote chadwick: "if you want a wandering lure that works well at low speed look into some T-50 or T-60 flat fish or K15 Kwikfish.
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The Venerable flatfish.........I bet they work nicely on salmon in the rivers. Anchor up, stick the rod in the rod holder and wait for a "nibble" ;-)

I'm with you Bear.......I don't give a rip if the lure cost me $80.........But my wife seen it sitting on my desk and commented on it and then asked how much it was. She said she didn't get "spending $80 to catch a fish". Then I showed her the Utube video of the guy catching the 50" musky. She wasn't the least bit impressed and flatly stated "thats not so big, I have seen you catch bigger ones".....................Of course she was talking about salt water fish I had caught and I had to explain the difference. I might have to stash the Pelagic lure from view lest I repeat my error. Remember guys, its always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission..........(I'm sorta kinda kidding of course)

My concern Bear is not if I can pull it........its no bigger than the 12" Grandma and the 10" Legend and I have no problems with those. But its as you have stated.......can I pull it fast enough? Maybe........I may have to bring some Wheaties in for breakfast as opposed to oatmeal. Worst case scenario is it becomes a rather expensive ordinary lure and just wobbles instead of wanders.

Yesterday I informed my Dad that after we catch our smallmouths on Lake St. Clair that we are going to troll for Musky. I am picturing a Headlock short in the prop wash and a Pelagic back a ways. Hopefully we can pop a big one and he can reel it in and I can get his picture.
 
03/09/2017 03:24AM  
Is the season open on St. Clair? I've been really considering planning a trip there to hunt muskies. Multiple fish days are a real possibility! So are monsters!

Out of curiosity, do you fish for muskies from the canoe a lot? I've only boated one from the canoe, it was probably 40" and I caught it solo. Definitely a rush!
 
mastertangler
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03/09/2017 07:01AM  
I grew up fishing St Clair, Detroit river and Erie........when we started we would just motor out and say "this looks good" and set up a drift. Little by little we got better. Muskies were accidental catches. I'n not in Michigan until June and we probably won't hit St Clair until the 3rd weekend in june when Bass opens and focus instead on the walleye bite in Erie early on.

Lots of ways to catch the Muskies on St Clair.......lots of speed trolling and of course the Bondy Baits deep jigging in the river catches lots of nice ones (or so I have heard). We are just going to motor out and say "well, this looks good" and troll the Headlocks and Pelagic lures at 5mph and see what happens. Now I just have to talk my Dad into bringing the BIG net.......hey we might actually catch one ;-)

I did a canoe trip in Woodland Caribou for Musky several summers ago. Supposedly it is near the northern limit of their range. I caught several including one in the low twenties which shook off at my feet in the shallows as I was watching. Nothing big but they are a fun fish. I was amazed at how often they jumped, completely clearing the water usually on the hookset. And they are considerably stronger than pike lb for lb. Unfortunately I heard Irregular lake suffered a burn.......pity, it was a truly beautiful lake and I would of considered a return visit.
 
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03/29/2017 02:08PM  
quote mastertangler: "Reading and looking at videos on the Headlock and I am trying to figure out if I should take one on a canoe trip or not.


From everything I am hearing they don't do much wandering until you hit about 5 MPH. How fast does an average guy go in a solo anyway? Hate to lug it around and I can't pull it fast enough. "


I do a lot of muskie fishing. A buddy has a Headlock we trolled for awhile last summer on LOTW. It does wander exceptionally well, but only at speed, say 4+ mph. We cranked it up to over 6 mph and it looked great. I would not want to do that from a canoe. Yes they do cost $80 or more each.

Headlocks are built like tanks with a thick, metal lip. They are heavy - much heavier than a Legend. I would say they pull like a Legend Plow if you know what that is.

Give it a shot if you want, but personally I do not think it would be worth it for BWCA trolling. It is really too big for walleyes; big pike maybe.

If you want a lure that wanders well but is not such a beast to pull, try an 8" believer. They wander better on the shallow eye, but you need to go faster.
 
mastertangler
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03/30/2017 05:50AM  
Yes the Believers are excellent lures and I have a couple..........I wasn't aware that they are a "wandering" type lure. No wonder the Musky trollers on St Clair run them in the prop wash at blazing speeds.

Yup I sort of figured I might not be able to get the Headlocks to speed in a canoe for them to do their thing. But I will run them anyway........I like the big wide profile. I will beg to differ as per weight on the Legend and Headlock. Both are big wooden lures and weights seem very comparable (I have the smaller Headlock). As per pulling I cannot venture a comment as I have yet to paddle a headlock. The Legend I own has a deep diving lip and ran 15 to 20ft.......no issues with paddling that and I am not envisioning any problems pulling the Headlock at normal trolling speed.

What have you heard on the Pelagic?
 
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03/31/2017 08:19AM  
I've heard the Pelagic lures are great, but not from anyone I know personally. My friend's Headlock we were trolling was the 12"; the 10" will certainly be less of a load (but still a load) to troll from a canoe. If you can get your speed up, a 10" jointed Believer on the shallow eye wanders like mad. The Ottawa River guys always troll them on the shallow eye at 5 mph.
 
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04/29/2017 09:04PM  
I purchased a Mattlock to drag up in Quetico this year.

The Mattlock is wider and more bouyant. It is supposed to require less speed to impart the wander action.

I went with the Walleye pattern. Gold always works good for me.

I also purchased a custom painted one. It is only a few extra dollars. I went with a Smallmouth pattern yet with a Gold body. Looks like a Gold Smallmouth with the stripes on the face and Body.

Awesome built and painted lures.

I am really looking fwd to dragging my Mattlock all around Kawnipi, Russell and Sturgeon in the Q this summer.
 
Kawnipi1
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04/29/2017 09:17PM  
I forgot to log in before posting dag gummit.

I purchased a Mattlock to drag up in Quetico this year.

The Mattlock is wider and more bouyant. It is supposed to require less speed to impart the wander action.

I went with the Walleye pattern. Gold always works good for me.

I also purchased a custom painted one. It is only a few extra dollars. I went with a Smallmouth pattern yet with a Gold body. Looks like a Gold Smallmouth with the stripes on the face and Body.

Awesome built and painted lures.

I am really looking fwd to dragging my Mattlock all around Kawnipi, Russell and Sturgeon in the Q this summer.
 
mastertangler
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04/30/2017 04:56AM  
They are nice lures no doubt. I looked long and hard at the Matlock as well but liked the idea of trolling the Headlock on St. Clair. What sort of gear will you be using?

I'm a go on the gold as well particularly in dark water. I ended up with silver however and I'm still diggin it.

Hoping to hear from you when you get back wether your results were yea or nay. I'll do the same.
 
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04/30/2017 05:54AM  
quote mastertangler: "
quote zski: "if you have to decide on one color, i think silver is the way to go."



Now you went and done it! I was thinking silver to mimic whitefish but I have always done better with gold. OK.......silver it is! ;-)


If I get that 50" toothy on it I will buy you dinner when I am in the Windy City. "


A 50" toothy in a canoe would be Heaven and Hell. I've caught 40" muskies in a canoe and those shivered me timbers.
 
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04/30/2017 09:25AM  
quote mastertangler: "They are nice lures no doubt. I looked long and hard at the Matlock as well but liked the idea of trolling the Headlock on St. Clair. What sort of gear will you be using?


I'm a go on the gold as well particularly in dark water. I ended up with silver however and I'm still diggin it.


Hoping to hear from you when you get back wether your results were yea or nay. I'll do the same. "


I have a medium heavy baitcasting rig that should work. I'll try it out this summer. If it doesn't work then I will bring one of my lighter Musky Rods.

Plan is to make a Catamaran out of our two canoes and do some trolling with the Mattlock. Probably drag something else along with it.

Will have a fish lip gripper device tied to a thwart to assist with unhooking and release. I may bring a Lindy Fish handling glove also. Better safe than sorry.

I will most definitely let you know how it goes. Looking fwd to hearing about your monster hunting also.

 
mastertangler
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04/30/2017 04:21PM  
Interesting concept.........The whole catamaran deal. You could really roll. My only concern is getting the sail up, cruising at about 5 or 6MPH with the big bad Matlock out on one side and probably a Believer on the other side and hooking up with a big girl....... or a rock!

Whats the plan? Medium heavy Baitcaster has limited line and if you keep rolling along after the hookup you may end up with no line, no lure and no fish picture. As in "hey, what just happened".

At 5 or 6MPH I am going to want at least 50lb braid and 65 or even 80 would probably be better. Drag setting would likely have to be somewhat forgiving at that speed lest you bust off or pull hooks (something will have to give). So you get my drift? If you can't stop your boat in manageable time, and safely I might add, things could get dicey.

How about being able to drop the sail quickly and then deploy a drift sock? That could stop you pretty much on a dime. Sort of like the space shuttle and a parachute except its not rocket science.

Just some musings is all. I like your plan. Outside the box thinking ("Thumbs up" inserted >Here< )

And don't forget........as your spool capacity diminishes the drag becomes tighter and often "stickier".

You will likely catch quite a few smaller pike on the lure.......often not a whole lot bigger than the lure. They will come in easy enough but when you go to lip them they will take off, sometimes jumping as well. Don't mess with them........give them a few chances to dart off and burn some more energy. Usually if there mouth is shut and firmly clamped around the lure they still have juice. If their mouth is open they are usually ready. While fish grippers are good and a Lindy Glove is a solid idea a pair of 9" to 11" needle nose pliers are pretty much irreplaceable when dealing with 8/0 hooks which are spaced far apart. Its a big deal so take it seriously.........you can do a few things to help. You can remove the belly treble and that will minimize the risk substantially. Or you can replace the trebles with large "J" hooks.......that is the current trend in salt water. Shimano needle nose

Jobu big game hook
 
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04/30/2017 05:27PM  
I've had success pulling Scatter Raps. Same principle it looks like. They wander at normal canoe trolling speed. These make me tired just looking at them.
 
Kawnipi1
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04/30/2017 05:45PM  
I like the single hook idea. On the tail at the very least.

No sail involved. The Mattlock does very well at slower speeds. That is what it was designed for. An easy paddle will do.

The Catamaran idea is just to have a stable platform for handling and releasing large fish without worrying about capsizing. Easier to be safe and confident around them hooks and teeth.

I'll be using my Abu Garcia Revo Musky baitcaster. Will fit plenty of 60/80 Lb Line. I've decided I am going to bring a Musky Rod.

With so much beautiful big water I always wanted to go monster hunting with the right gear. I think the Mattlock will really shine. Musky guys swear by Supernatural lures and they do catch monster fish.

I can't wait.

I will be dragging a few in my fishing Kayak this summer pre Quetico to get a feel for it.
 
mastertangler
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05/01/2017 05:05AM  
Revo? Perfect, I have one as well and think it is a fine reel.

The Owner Jobu hooks are exceptional and have to be seen to be fully appreciated. I know Owner is proud ($) of them. With the single you also have the option of adding a curly tail if you so desire. You may have to take a tapered punched / hammer to ease the hook eye open and then re-seat with a vice. Hopefully the hook eye won't break.........usually they don't but I have had a few hook styles which will not open. Of course you ditch the split ring so the hook can ride upright. Or how about this.......getting a double hook which just slides right on?

What sort of rod holder are you using? I had to ditch my Tite lock to pull this sort of stuff.

Did you read the posting about the Shadzillas? Fine lures as well and quite a bit easier to pull. I have never fished the Supernatural lures yet but I can confidently report that the Shadzillas are a real fish catcher and a bit less expensive.......at least initially (don't forget some super glue).

You can read about the Shadzillas on last years trip at mastertangler@blogspot.

Double hook
 
Kawnipi1
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05/01/2017 03:55PM  
Yeah I'll bring some Shadzillas. I have a few that I used with a home made Umbrella Rig trying for Fall Muskys last year. Seen a Youtube vid of some guys catching Muskys with the rig. They hung Shadzillas on em.

I'll give that blog a good read too. Thx

I forget what brand rod holder I have. It is stought though.

K
 
mastertangler
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05/02/2017 05:33AM  
wow! An umbrella rig made with Shadzillas? When you were talking making a catamaran I was envisioning sailing it and consequently I was also picturing pulling a dredge as an attractant which is similar in concept to an umbrella rig.

Speaking of catamarans.........I see a mutiny on the horizon. How long are guys going to stay with you while you run your Matlock? Not so long.........

Say you get a 48" and your in a tandem or worse yet as I usually am, in a solo. Just drag the critter to shore and get out and deal with them. Pretty simple actually as long as you have a good rod holder. Its one of the reasons I like a long fluorocarbon leader of say about 5' long. As you get near shore and they get into some rocks the fluorocarbon is quite abrasion resistant.

But in a tandem you should be able to scoop them up by their built in handle behind their lower gill plate. That works well on bigger ones. Cudas share this trait as well and they have some very nasty dental equipment. If your not familiar with this practice on some smaller ones first.

In Kawanipi the big pike like to eat small walleye. I would try and find a school of smaller walleye first and concentrate my efforts in that area.

Handling pike
 
Kawnipi1
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05/02/2017 10:13AM  
Yeah I have no problem handling Pike and Muskie. I do however like the drag em to shore idear. We will only be doing the Catamaran thingy on and off. Drag the Mattlock and other lure of choice for a bit then settle over some spots and do some fishing for Walleye or Smallmouth.

Also it will be a safe way to go out night fishing and not have to worry about any unfortunate incidents. Just not willing to risk losing any gear not tied down.

When the Mutiny comes and the Party Barge concept is done for the day it is just a few simple knots to untie and we paddle away.

If we do get a good wind at our backs on travel day will definitely deploy a sail. If any issues, one simple slip knot and the sail is down.

I enjoyed your Blog. I like the Fish lip grabber you use. Going to pick one up.



 
mastertangler
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05/02/2017 10:59AM  
You sound like you have a good group.......party barge? Night fishing? Hmmmm, brings back some memories. Be careful is all I have to say........I somehow managed to survive.

If you have a sail why not use it for the Matlock? That would be way cool. Don't forget the Believer (In Superman holo) for boat "B". Are you bringing music? How about the Jaws soundtrack just as you get started trolling.......that would be good for a laugh.
 
Kawnipi1
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05/02/2017 11:35AM  
Just three of us this trip. I'm going solo again.

The thing about sail fishing is if your at a base camp you can be miles away from camp in no time. May do it on travel day but I usually stash the rods and try and concentrate on making time. If the situation presents itself will definitely consider.

Want to get the Mattlock in the water as much as possible.

Thanks for the tips. Hope to provide many Pics.
 
Kawnipi1
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08/20/2017 11:26AM  
Trolled my Mattlock for damn near a whole day. No bites. Fish were all deep. Very happy I brought my Humminbird Helix 5. There were a ton of fish all around 30ft. I switched to a Rapala XRap Magnum 30ft diver and immediately started catching fish.

In hind sight and with the conditions I would have traded out the Mattlock for a BondyBait. I would have been positively fishing at the right depth instead of hoping my trolled lure is getting down to depth.

Oh well. You never know unless you try it.

K
 
mastertangler
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09/18/2017 06:58AM  
I ran the Headlock only once this summer in the canoe for about an hour. I was surprised at how deep it runs, at least 15ft, probably 18ft and I wasn't running it especially fast.

I really had intended on ripping it along trolling on St. Clair for Muskie this summer but work seems to get in the way. One day things will ease off a bit and I can put some hours in. "Get the net"!

Yes the Bondy bait guy is a local to the Detroit area and made his name on the Detroit river jigging big Muskie. The Bondy bait has also caught some huge lake trout. Thing is very heavy however, might have to leave out some food in the pack ;-)
 
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09/19/2017 11:37PM  
Speaking of monster trout on the Bondy bait, have you happened to see the Uncut Angling episode where the guy gets a monster using one? Pretty cool episode.
 
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09/20/2017 12:31AM  
quote carmike: "Speaking of monster trout on the Bondy bait, have you happened to see the Uncut Angling episode where the guy gets a monster using one? Pretty cool episode. "


I checked several of their vids out. Very cool. Thanks for heads up

K
 
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09/20/2017 05:41AM  
I met a group of guys who were on a Sportfishing boat at theBelle Isle dock on Isle Royale and they showed me a pic of a 30+ lb Lake Trout they had recently caught. It was huge............maybe, and I mean maybe, a guy fights the thing to the side of a canoe, but then what? It's the iconic line "we are going to need a bigger boat"

I wonder if a fish like that would crash a Headlock? I wonder if anyone has even tried running one for monster lake trout?
 
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