Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: What's better than a red canoe?
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old_salt |
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yogi59weedr |
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ozarkpaddler |
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mjmkjun |
note: even maroon or burgundy are much superior color choices than red. |
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hobbydog |
You can see the live stream here. |
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Frenchy19 |
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nooneuno |
hobbydog: "How about a red Tesla on it's way to Mars? What else he could have done with that money.........reality bites like a rabid raccoon. |
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Savage Voyageur |
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hobbydog |
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awbrown |
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inspector13 |
butthead: "Neither detracting or applauding his accomplishments." His grandpa is from Minnesota. |
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mastertangler |
butthead: "Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships. Point taken..........but rags to riches stories are a dime a dozen in the United States and are rather an oddity by comparison in most other parts of the world. |
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bwcasolo |
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mastertangler |
hobbydog: "Only in America could an immigrant from Africa make billions and do something like this. With all the crap going on in the world right now what is not to cheer? " Bingo! That is exactly right. Do what you want to do is my motto..........and whatever you do, do it with all your might. |
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butthead |
Neither detracting or applauding his accomplishments. butthead |
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missmolly |
mastertangler: "butthead: "Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships. Not true. There's less economic mobility here than in many western nations and most wealth in America is inherited. |
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huntfun2 |
bwcasolo: "2 red canoes!" I agree!! |
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murphylakejim |
missmolly: "mastertangler: "butthead: "Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships. I wonder what if anything has been sacrificed or traded to create higher economic mobility. Another question, is the USA's economic mobility optimal? Being lower than another western country is relative not absolute. What is full economic mobility? Wake up poor, make a million by lunch and loose it by dinner? I love when important topics come up and people, who have to coexist in society, work towards better understanding each other. Im not a fan of restricting these threads. |
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mastertangler |
missmolly: "mastertangler: "butthead: "Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships. Who told you that? Most wealth is inherited? Such utter nonsense. Less economic mobility here than other western countries? Really? If there is such wealth and prosperity in other more "enlightened" countries why does our economy dwarf those? Why is America the most prosperous place on the planet and in human history? Why are we the only superpower on the globe? I know many people want to believe that wealth is largely inherited but rather it is created through peoples ambitions, knowledge and motivation which free people pursue. I deal with wealthy people continually and have for over 35 years. What I have found is they are unlike the pop culture stereotypes...........usually they are anything other than uppity and smug and the vast majority of them have busted their butts to get what they have (I am usually curious as to how people have made their wealth so I usually ask what they do or have done for a living). In 35 years I have never heard 1 person say "Oh, my Daddy made a lot of money and passed it on". It has always been a tale of hard work and investments. I like you Miss Molly but you are largely a purveyor of misinformation (i.e. people with wealth don't deserve it and didn't work for it etc. etc. etc.) |
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mastertangler |
billconner: "I don't see Miss Molly's post as personal attack as yours clearly was, so no need to call her out. I concede your first point and stand corrected although I do draw a distinction between being misinformed and being a liar. Fair enough? The second point I will take issue with. If wealth is created then that creative option is available to all, rich or poor, who live in a free society. I repeat my previous statement that rags to riches stories are a dime a dozen in the united States. That is in stark contrast to most of human history where you had a ruling class and then the poor. Yes I understand that some folks are born on third base and others without a bat. But the possibility of upward mobility exists in a free market society like no other system in history. That is a simple fact and an undeniable reality (Free market capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other). The Great Experiment which is the United States will only fail when the populace decides to keep voting themselves a raise. Even our "so called" poor typically have cell phones, food provided, health care and air conditioning. Compare that with poverty you find in third world countries. Quite a contrast. The propaganda we so often see is a pie shape with one small segment hoarding all the "pie" and not "sharing". If wealth is created, as you agree, then one is free to bake their own pie and does not need anyones permission to do so. At least that is the case in the USA......so far. We could discuss further how the country is heading into a largely post Constitutional phase and how the country is regressing to a bygone era of large centralized bureaucracies which will lead to what you describe (a two tier society / which is anything but Progressive BTW) but that is beyond the scope of the thread. Nice chatting with you, thank you for pointing out my miscue concerning Miss Molly. |
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billconner |
murphylakejim: "missmolly: "mastertangler: "butthead: "Elon Musk is not your average " immigrant from Africa", born to world traveling fairly privileged class parents holding multiple citizenships. How about restricting them to the politics forum at least? Posts like " you are largely a purveyor of misinformation" - which is basically calling someone a big fat liar - don't belong here IMHO. So much for the oath of respect and dignity. Oath of dignity and respect thread |
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muddyfeet |
I thought I knew how rockets worked until I saw the video of the two boosters turn around and fly back to the launchpad by themselves where they landed upright at the same time. Mind blown and perception changed. You have to admire the visionary ambition of Musk. From Paypal to tesla to spacex to solar power to batteries, he has changed the future of several industries. He realizes how things can be done better, and then bucks current trend/understanding to make it happen. |
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billconner |
Yes, it is true that wealth is created. And the very wealthiest get most of it, and the poor none of it. That's also true. |
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DrBobDg |
Yep... a paddler in that red SR Canoe... can you imagine what the martians would think if they come across that? btw...go fighting Illini. CVM class of 1975. dr bob |
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murphylakejim |
yogi59weedr: "I don't think this is better than any canoe... I don't care what color it is.. Sorry canoes are wacist too! Canoes = genocide |
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halvorsonchristopher |
hobbydog: "Only in America could an immigrant from Africa make billions and do something like this. Normally they use concrete blocks to simulate a load, this shows some creativity while testing the new heavy lift rocket. With all the crap going on in the world right now what is not to cheer? "I couldn't agree with you more!!! |
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bapabear |
Keep the @!#X%$* politics out of these discussions. |
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yogi59weedr |
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yogi59weedr |
Think I'll go get my maple tree taps ready. |
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mastertangler |
DrBobDg: "This thread sure took a twist. Well, we are all interested in what we are interested in (if that makes any sense > "Go Fighting Illini" etc. etc.) A red Tesla.......I bet its a neat car to drive. They should of put a faithful stuffed canine sporting a huge grin and goggles next to the unwitting passenger. Now THAT would of been clever marketing! And of course my favorite canoe color is black.......as in carbon fiber black. Well at least until that first rock leaves a nice long white mark ;-) |
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LDB |
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mastertangler |
billconner: "MT, sure wish you could keep your political posts on a different forum. I don't come here for diatribes like that." Bill with all due respect why not make the same observation toward Miss Molly? Saying that most wealth is inherited is a false statement and a very political statement wether you understand the implications or not. If most wealth is inherited it is thus undeserved and therefore it becomes quite easy to confiscate it (since the recipient didn't really work for it) and give it to others who are perhaps "more deserving" (vote for us and we will give you other peoples stuff). While I do my best to not be overtly political I will always stand for truth. The vast majority of wealth in this country is created not inherited. Thats the truth, plain and simple. As for upward mobility I suspect what Miss Molly refers to is a government provided flat and a pint of Guiness. |
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yogi59weedr |
Come to think of it.... I think the university of Illinois should adopt the red canoes as there mascot. We are the only team in the NCAA without a mascot. Several years ago THE CHIEF was found to be offensive to a group of people. So the university put the CHIEF out to pasture........ what a shame.... Anyway how's that for changing the subject while keeping the OP original post about red canoes in mind... Come to think about it I like it. The university of Illinois red canoes..... All thoes in favor say Na na nananana na na na na nananana |
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