Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Why are portages not marked on trees?
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mastertangler |
Isle Royale had nice wooden signs as does most of the National Parks. Woodland Caribou Provincial Park generally has a very old and barely visible blaze on a tree as a "sign" which can be helpful as well. May I admonish (ever so slightly ;-) the naysayers of the query. No need to get snarky about the question. Seems like reasonable curiosity and should be met with tolerance IMHO. |
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LindenTree3 |
Here is a personal story on portage signs, As i mentioned earlier in the Kenai Canoe Wilderness of Ak, the portages are marked with signs. (Mostly about 90%) The 10% of signs that were missing can really throw somone off their game. I got to relying on these signs when canoeing, if a sign was missing I found myself canoeing past or around the portage sometimes for 10 - 20 minutes, trying to locate the portage. Granted these portages in AK even though usually marked, they are not very heavily used and therefore do not have the numerous human disturbances that the BW portages do. In my defense about paddling around unmarked portages in Ak. I had no maps like you do in the BW, only small aerial photographs, that were no match compared to MacKenzie or Fisher maps. I will never take those BW maps for granted again after having to paddle without them for 3 years, we seriously do not know how lucky we are. |
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Birdknowsbest |
nooneuno: " " cant read that |
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jhb8426 |
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missmolly |
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hobbydog |
Whiteshell PP uses this type. I prefer no markings and portages that are hard to find. It is a pretty good indication you will not run into many people. |
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schweady |
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Pinetree |
schweady: "They just get vandalized or stolen, anyway. In 1997, we actually did see one instance remaining, but probably because it was at a rather involved intersection with signs pointing the various directions to Angleworm Trail, Trease Lake, and Angleworm Lake. (Of course, the 'Angleworm Lake' sign had been stolen.) I really wish I had a picture, but our designated cameraman (a newbie) was so worked up by this time that we had dragged him on "a canoe trip with no water!! WTF?!" Very popular in Dorms and Dens of some people. |
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yogi59weedr |
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nooneuno |
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bwcasolo |
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hiawatha |
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OldFingers57 |
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LindenTree3 |
I canoed in that system many times and called it "Canoeing for Dummies" because of those signs. One pays much more atteniton to details with maps and their surroundings, without those signs. It keeps you sharp. |
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DrBobDg |
:-) dr bob |
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IceColdGold |
I do not have an issue with a small marker on a tree to mark portages for safety reasons. It's all fun to search out portages until someone has an emergency and you have to exit somewhere that you are not familiar with. |
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mjmkjun |
IceColdGold: "I have only gotten burned once because here was no sign. I always research the area I am going, and at the last minute the guy organizing the pickup by the outfitter decided to exit at EP 33. As some of you know, this portage moved to the east side of the bay from the west side and my map was wrong. I spent an hour bush-whacking the wrong shoreline trying to find the portage. Oops! Those impulsive last-minute decisions can be a bugger and invite unforeseen challenges & calamities. |
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nctry |
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goatroti |
Here's what you get in Wabakimi and other parks in Northern Ontario. Now go find the trail. No one has used this one in more than ten years. Most portages up there are a blaze on a tree and a rumor. |
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inspector13 |
There are no signs precisely because the BWCAW is not a park. It is a portion of the Superior National Forest that is managed by the US Forest Service in a way to be consistent with the Wilderness Act of 1964, and subsequent Acts and laws. If someone wants safer and easier, there are plenty of other outdoor spaces to enjoy. |
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BlueSkiesWI |
Last year I set out to take a non-maintained portage between lakes early in the season before others had the chance to beat the trail down. I found the old trail and made it to the lake, later in the afternoon 2 guys came onto the lake from the middle of the woods, said they couldn't find the old portage and bushwacked and had a hell of a hard time. It was satisfying to know I had found it! |
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jcavenagh |
Now I prefer no signs. That is one reason I really enjoy Q, Wab and WCPP. One must rely on one's own skills. I have been a bit confused as to where I was relative to a map once or twice. Not lost, mind you, just not at the spot on the map I thought I should be.... |
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Blatz |
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Lotw |
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KarlBAndersen1 |
andym: "A few improvements such as the signs and canoe rests on longer portages were taken out in favor of making it more like a wilderness. " Uumm, yeah........that's the point of going there. |
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Birdknowsbest |
I feel a small sign on a tree with the length of the portage in rods and what lake you are headed to would make it easier and safer for everyone. A lot of the time what you think is a portage is a game trail or the portage has blown down and doesnt look like a portage from the lake. Especially when you get to lakes not traveled as often. Second question is why isnt there an equivalent Jeffs maps for the Bwca/Quetico. Would be great to have a proper map on your phone as well besides a paper map. I am not saying we need a huge sign to disturb from the natural surroundings, but a small sign to know you are on the right track, especially when it gets closer to dark. Just curious why these signs dont exist. |
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nooneuno |
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign? Yes in reality it is a park, the signs were once there, frankly I'm glad there gone, read the map, take solace in the experience, there are plenty of signs on the highway back home... |
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schweady |
Stuart River 1978 |
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Savage Voyageur |
The ones that I used to see in the BWCA in the 70s were made out of wood. Very nice quality and looked good. They were cut with a router to show the name of the Lake or trail with the rods in yellow letters. Cost about $40.00 to make,nowdays it would be more for the government so I’ll say about $400.00 a sign to install. I have read that the forest service wanted then all gone, maintenance issue and a cost thing. I would rather pay the rangers than have a sign to look at. |
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andym |
I'm pretty neutral about the signs and such but don't mind things the way they are and you are never misled by a missing sign. We don't use a map on our phones but do use the Red Pine Mapping BWCA microSD chip in our Garmin GPS. I suppose if there is a market for a phone based map then someone could develop one. Maybe the company you mention would be interested. |
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DeanL |
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halvorsonchristopher |
Im not sure they would add anything besides distraction from the wilderness. |
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rdricker |
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mjmkjun |
I'd bet FS Rangers are happy not to have to maintain portage posts or signs anymore. We have comfy plastic thrones and iron firegrates which are convenient, yet intrusive, enough. |
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Birdknowsbest |
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Pinetree |
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old_salt |
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