Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Wildfire near Seagull Lake
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OneMatch |
Wildfire near Seagull Lake |
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adam |
Here is location of fire currently. Unofficially we will call it the Mueller Fire. |
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Pinetree |
MHS67: "Pinetree: "Wildfires hit the West hard: ‘We’re stretched to our limits’ That is truely sad, and firefighters are getting very little relief or breaks. |
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MHS67 |
LindenTree3: "I'm getting my gear ready, looks like I'm taking a fire engine out west next week. Not sure where yet, trying for the Big Horn area around Buffalo Wyoming." Hey! I thought you retired? Hard to get out isn't it. Be careful. |
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Jaywalker |
LindenTree3: "I'm getting my gear ready, looks like I'm taking a fire engine out west next week. Not sure where yet, trying for the Big Horn area around Buffalo Wyoming." What? Are they (Bighorns) having fires too? That was my Plan B when WCPP started burning!! Shall I start working on Plan C?? |
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LindenTree3 |
Jaywalker: "LindenTree3: "I'm getting my gear ready, looks like I'm taking a fire engine out west next week. Not sure where yet, trying for the Big Horn area around Buffalo Wyoming." They are not having fires yet, it is a preposition fire assignment in anticipation of fires. It's an Interagency fire station with the BLM and Forest Service. I think the Big Horns are pretty green, so any fires would most likely be on BLM land in the lower elevations, not in the Big Horns. |
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MHS67 |
Pinetree: "Wildfires hit the West hard: ‘We’re stretched to our limits’ Its been a rough year so far. We still have a long way to go. The unfortunate part is the 4 firefighters that have been killed so far. Two on the Ferguson fire which is just north of us, and 2 on the Carr fire near Redding Ca. Just as bad is the 4 people that died on the Carr Fire. Lets hope things slow down a bit. |
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andym |
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Jaywalker |
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LindenTree3 |
Jaywalker: "The Ogish / Onmatch fire was dropped from Inciweb reporting, implying it may now be out. I haven't seen anyone state that, but I don't see reporting on it anywhere anymore. " I'm sure I am getting technical, they probabally have a good handle on it by now. It is probabally not officially out yet, those calls are not usually made until weeks later. It is pobabally not even contained/controlled yet, usually the fire crews will not call it controlled till they get all the fire gear off the incident. If they call it controlled before they get their gear off the fire, then it is no longer an emergency and are not allowed the use of motorized means to extricate themselves and gear. PS, Jaywalker Looks like I have gotten my marching orders to travel to Buffalo Wy on Tuesday, if you are in the area stop by the Forest Service ranger station and say howdy. Just look for the old guy ;-) |
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Pinetree |
out west fires and map Interesting pictures and map |
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MHS67 |
That being said, I can't tell you how many times we responded to any type of fire only to find the public fighting the fire with garden hoses, shovels, throwing hand fulls of dirt, beating it out with jackets, etc. etc. The same goes for vehicle accidents, how many time have you seen folks stop at a accident to help, even though they have no training. Most, if not all don't carry firefighting tools with them on a canoe trip. What I carry is a collapsible bucket. If the fire has just started and is very small and is creeping with very little flame, a bucket with water will sometimes work. In your case, you did the right thing. The plane overhead was aware of the fire. If it was a water dropping plane they will not drop if they see people on the ground near the fire. I always hesitate to use common sense as a gauge to take action or not. A lot of different levels of common sense!! Best I can offer is what a doctor told me once after some minor surgery. I asked him what I can do and not do. His response, If you don't think you should do it, don't! Hope this helps. |
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SaganagaJoe |
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Pinetree |
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The Great Outdoors |
OneMatch: "WTIP in Grand Marais is reporting a wildfire near Seagull Lake. Looks like it was caused by lightning. Sounds containable but ya never know. At least they are working to contain it. The fire may have been caused by lightening, but most likely caused by "One Match!" :) |
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tumblehome |
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mirth |
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andym |
Pinetree: "this year with all the fires out west again, they have no extra personnel,I think they will attack them a little sooner." I think you have a good point. California spent 1/4 of its annual firefighting budget during July and that didn't even used to be wildfire season. We have firefighters from all over the country and even Australia and New Zealand and they are getting no breaks. They are just moving them around the state as fires approach built areas. And we have no reason to expect rain until October. I generally favor letting fires burn naturally but this might a difficult season to do that. Hope the rain there helps keep things from burning. BTW, I saw that two people were struck by lightening at the Fall Lake Campground a day or so ago. While we were in Ely for the first two weeks of July, we lost power in multiple storms and one of the storms ripped up our docks. We've probably had three storms this year that took out significant trees in our cabin community. This is not an easy year, either place. |
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user0317 |
tumblehome: "Greeeeeat. They're gonna suppress it. So the next time it burns it explodes. That didn't work so well with Pagami. |
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treehorn |
tumblehome: "Greeeeeat. They're gonna suppress it. So the next time it burns it explodes. What is this implying? Serious question. |
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AmarilloJim |
tumblehome: "Greeeeeat. They're gonna suppress it. So the next time it burns it explodes. If the conditions aren't right or there is insufficient manpower to do the job, suppression would be the wise option. |
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Jaywalker |
Ontario Fire Map |
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OneMatch |
The Great Outdoors: "OneMatch: "WTIP in Grand Marais is reporting a wildfire near Seagull Lake. Looks like it was caused by lightning. Sounds containable but ya never know. At least they are working to contain it. LOL! That's all it takes! |
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Pinetree |
OneMatch: "The Great Outdoors: "OneMatch: "WTIP in Grand Marais is reporting a wildfire near Seagull Lake. Looks like it was caused by lightning. Sounds containable but ya never know. At least they are working to contain it. AHH very interesting. |
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andym |
treehorn: "tumblehome: "Greeeeeat. They're gonna suppress it. So the next time it burns it explodes. I’m the absence of firefighting truly natural fires will have a wide variety of sizes and old burns act as natural fire breaks. While there are still very large fires in natural systems they are very rare. When you suppress all fires, you don’t have the natural fire breaks and fuel builds up. Then large fires become more common. One strategy is to not immediately suppress fires so as to have more moderate size fires. But to do that you need the manpower to control them in case they start getting out of control and threatening structures. |
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OneMatch |
SevenofNine: "adam: " A dubious distinction! |
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andym |
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schwartyman |
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Jaywalker |
Minnesotian: "Jaywalker: "Ontario is also having a tough year. Seven fires have started in Quetico in the past 2 days. Woodland Caribou Provincial Park has about 10-15 fires, some big, and is 70% closed. A wild land firefighter from Alberta was killed in Red Lake the other day. They actually opened up a few routes and lakes, mostly in the north, yesterday. Amazing thing to me is all of those fire in WCPP started on or after July 15 - hardly 2 weeks ago. I was suppose to be heading up there this weekend but am on hold now. |
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Jaywalker |
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SevenofNine |
adam: " You call it that Adam but everyone here is already calling it the OneMatch fire. :-) |
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Jaywalker |
Crew of 4 onsite, and 6 more on the way. |
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Minnesotian |
Jaywalker: "Ontario is also having a tough year. Seven fires have started in Quetico in the past 2 days. Woodland Caribou Provincial Park has about 10-15 fires, some big, and is 70% closed. A wild land firefighter from Alberta was killed in Red Lake the other day. 70% closed? Damn. |
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Pinetree |
Fires this year have covered 1 million more acres out west, than the 10-year average from January to July. |