Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Wetfooting for Seniors
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boonie |
Mooseplums idea is interesting, but I just don't think I'd find anything that would be a reasonably good fit after looking at the sizing chart. I got some of the Chota socks once, but they did not fit me well enough to be comfortable for wearing for any distance. The NRS Boundary Shoe looked interesting, but I have the same reservation as bwcasolo. I need something with some serious support underneath. I have looked at the NRS Workboot, but not sure how warm that would be if wet. I'm usually OK wet footing down into the mid-50's. I'll probably have to try on some Muck boots and see if they're much different from the old Chota clunkers (not made anymore) that I have. |
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SourisMan |
WHendrix: "A1t2o: "Michwall2: "How do you keep the feet dry? There are several portages landings I can think of where it is all but impossible. Especially in low water conditions. Those rocks will not let the canoe in close enough to get out dry-foot. Many times I step out in water up to my knees." Bill Topic aside, just want to tip my hat to you for BW tripping at 75. The phrase "tough old bird" comes to mind. ;) |
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SourisMan |
dex8425: "We just returned from a 45 mile sawbill lake loop yesterday. We did 22 portages, three over 200 rods, and my footwear of choice was Tingley overboots, over my regular trail runners. They're ugly as heck, but cheap, long enough to wet foot in, and comfortable because you're wearing your regular shoes/boots. This sounds like a great option. I looked at Tingley's and was amazed at how light they are. I wished they had them in my size. |
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Ausable |
Michwall2: "I wear SmartWool in my Quetico Trekkers and I am comfortable throughout the day wet-footing. I think the socks hold a layer of water that I can warm and then it is not an issue. Dry socks at the end of travel and I am good to go. It gets tougher when it rains. Harder to keep the camp shoes and socks dry." Regarding rain issues: a couple of years ago I bought SealSkinz socks just to use with my Quetico Trekkers around camp when it rains. I wear polypropylene liner socks under the SealSkinz (I also wear polypro liners under wool socks when wet-footing). This is a great thread; lots of good info. I've never been able to rock-hop and stay dry consistently, so I've had to embrace the fact that I need to step into the water to find stable footing. |
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SourisMan |
A1t2o: "Senior or not, the issue I've always had with wet footing is sacrificing ankle support to have a lighter and drainable alternative. Most wet foot boots I have seen are thin and don't look like they provide much support at all. The ones that do are incredibly expensive and aren't useful for much of anything except canoeing. I probably wasn't clear. These are waterproof boots, so my feet stayed dry. I needed, therefor, to stay in water that didn't go over the tops. I planned to switch to camp shoes once in camp, but never bothered. You're right about ankle support. These have none. They worked just fine for the short portages I had. |
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Michwall2 |
A1t2o: "Plus, how is it comfortable wearing wet boots all day? No matter how well draining they are, they are still going to take hours to dry out. My boots might not be meant to get wet but they take days to dry out when they get do get soaked. What do you even wear for socks? I don't see wool helping here, so do you wear a synthetic or does everyone go with either a waterproof sock or nothing? I can't see that being comfortable either. How do you keep the feet dry? There are several portages landings I can think of where it is all but impossible. Especially in low water conditions. Those rocks will not let the canoe in close enough to get out dry-foot. Many times I step out in water up to my knees. I wear SmartWool in my Quetico Trekkers and I am comfortable throughout the day wet-footing. I think the socks hold a layer of water that I can warm and then it is not an issue. Dry socks at the end of travel and I am good to go. It gets tougher when it rains. Harder to keep the camp shoes and socks dry. |
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SourisMan |
Savage Voyageur: "Sourisman, Please post a link or picture or the boots you are referring to. It would help in the discussion. Thanks" Here's the link. The reviews on the Farm and Fleet site are not good at all, so I can't recommend these specific boots. I'll see how mine hold up over time. Maybe someone can recommend other options. Boots |
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andym |
In the summer. I wear Chota Quetico Trekkers with their neoprene liners or wool socks. I sometimes wear Keen sandals and wool socks. I often do the latter sailing in California. I don’t feel uncomfortable with my feet, socks, and boots, wet. Yes, it is a tad annoying to put them on in the morning but I always just think that in a few minutes I am wading into the lake and would be wet then. |
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SourisMan |
I've been on nearly 40 Boundary Waters trips, and have dry footed every one. On a recent cool weather solo trip, I tried wet footing (sort of). I bought a $45 pair of comfortable rubber boots from Farm and Fleet. With those I was able to wade into the water at portages as opposed to my usual gymnastics routine, stretching from one slippery rock to the next. The boot worked great! Some caveats....I had only 3 short, easy portages. I'm not sure the boots would work so well for longer ones. Also, this was an October trip. The boots would be too warm in the Summer. The positives... 1. My feet stayed warm and dry 2. The boots were so comfy I even wore them around camp 3. As I said, getting in and out of the canoe at portages was SO much easier. That's a huge plus for a solo tripper at age 66. If you haven't tried this approach, I'd definitely recommend it, particularly if your age is about the same as freeway speeds. |
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bwcasolo |
andym: "I think my willingness to have my feet be wet goes down when the water is really cold. But my interest in trying never to step in the water doesn't increase. That's why we got the rubber/neoprene boots last week. If I was going to do an overnight trip then I might go for something like the Chota Mukluks that would still keep my feet warm even if water got in the top."which boot's are you talking about? |
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Spartan2 |
He still has those boots and he wears them at our lake cottage when he is out on the beach area raking up weeds. It brings back memories. It was a very enjoyable trip, except that I wasn't crazy about the short days. |
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WHendrix |
A1t2o: "Michwall2: "How do you keep the feet dry? There are several portages landings I can think of where it is all but impossible. Especially in low water conditions. Those rocks will not let the canoe in close enough to get out dry-foot. Many times I step out in water up to my knees." THIS is where the senior thing kicks in. I don't know about all of you other "senior" paddlers, but I am 75, and my balance is simply no longer adequate to be balancing on all of those slippery rocks. I wear NRS boundary socks inside of Abyss boots and have good traction and dry feet. You do NOT have to give up dry feet to wetfoot. Bill |
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HangLoose |
My wife and I have been using these Chota Breathable Mukluks for almost ten years. A pair of thick SmartWool socks keeps our feet dry even when wet footing up to our knees. They have ample support for portaging. They breathe well even in the summer months. Love them. Unfortunately Chota doesn't make this particular boot anymore and I'll miss them when they're gone. Chota makes a few other options now. |
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andym |
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mjmkjun |
andym: "If you think the Muck boots are clunky then you could try the NRS Boundary Shoe which is really a boot. I was going to say the Chota Mukluks but those seem to have gone away." Yep! I've posted this before, but go up two sizes on the NRS Boundary Boot. My foot size is 10-10.5 so ordered an 11 but it pressed against the toes too much. Got a 12 and can wear with thin socks. Does keep my feet dry, warm and comfortable portaging & in camp. I am 5'7" and the top is just below my knee cap. More streamlined than a Muck boot and a thinner sole. |
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bwcasolo |
i have an old pair of chota knee high trekkers they do not make anymore that are wore out. muck boot's feel so heavy and awkward. i have tried them on, but not used them. i know they get good reviews here. bean boot's, well they leaked like a running faucet. i have wore my hikers with neo's overboot, but they wore out. i will look at cabela's, they seem to have a decent line. i know there are other options with chota, but you are buying water proof liners, shoes, or boot's and it really add's up in the cost. so basically there has to be a rubber, neoprene boot out there that doe's the job. WHAT IS IT? is it the muck boot i will end up with? i don't know, what say you all? hand me another beer. |
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Northwoodsman |
Duluth Pak - those are perfect! |
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Blatz |
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Pinetree |
SourisMan: "This is a PSA for old folks. I'm not trying to raise the old dryfoot/wetfoot debate. That is exactly used for 30 years |
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dex8425 |
SourisMan: "dex8425: "We just returned from a 45 mile sawbill lake loop yesterday. We did 22 portages, three over 200 rods, and my footwear of choice was Tingley overboots, over my regular trail runners. They're ugly as heck, but cheap, long enough to wet foot in, and comfortable because you're wearing your regular shoes/boots. I think they come in any size unless you have bigger feet than me. I have size 12.5 and reckon a size 13.5 would fit, but no more. The medium is pretty small, about right for a women's size 7. |
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bwcasolo |
andym: "If you think the Muck boots are clunky then you could try the NRS Boundary Shoe which is really a boot. I was going to say the Chota Mukluks but those seem to have gone away." hi andy, thanks, the moccasin type foot bed on these look really thin. i have looked at these before, but did not purchase due to what i thought would be not beefy enough of a foot bed. trying on a pair of muckboots tomorrow. |
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A1t2o |
Plus, how is it comfortable wearing wet boots all day? No matter how well draining they are, they are still going to take hours to dry out. My boots might not be meant to get wet but they take days to dry out when they get do get soaked. What do you even wear for socks? I don't see wool helping here, so do you wear a synthetic or does everyone go with either a waterproof sock or nothing? I can't see that being comfortable either. I'm trying to wrap my head around it, but I just don't see how it would work well. Maybe wet footing just isn't for some people. |
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A1t2o |
Michwall2: "How do you keep the feet dry? There are several portages landings I can think of where it is all but impossible. Especially in low water conditions. Those rocks will not let the canoe in close enough to get out dry-foot. Many times I step out in water up to my knees." In those cases, I just get out on the rocks. Usually though it doesn't take much to nose up to some point where I can get out then either hold the canoe for my buddy in the back to crawl forward on the gunwales or turn the canoe around to back in to the same point I got out at. I've gone on 5 trips now and never had I needed to get out in the water if I didn't want to. Sure it can be easier but using stepping stones is not hard either. |
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andym |
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mjmkjun |
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schweady |
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KarlBAndersen1 |
We're in the Boundary Waters. It's wet there. Feet are going to get wet. So I wear shoes that drain well and offer a bit of support. When I get where I'm going, I put on clean dry wool socks and feel like I'm at home. I always take three pair of wool socks and a pair of liners. Not sure what being a "senior" has to do with the topic. I'm 64. I'll let you know when "senior" kicks in. |
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Savage Voyageur |
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Spartan2 |
Putting them back on in the morning was not a pleasant experience. I don't remember it fondly. But I did it for 40 years, and I miss it now. Go figure. :-( |
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dex8425 |
Half of the portages this weekend were literal creeks. There'd be no way you could do all 22 of those portages with normal shoes and have dry feet. My wife tried to keep her feet dry without boots and was very unsuccessful. |
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mooseplums |
They are great when I guide groups, because I usually help them load and unload thier canoes and I stand in the water while doing so. I will never go back |
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nctry |
SourisMan: "WHendrix: "A1t2o: "Michwall2: "How do you keep the feet dry? There are several portages landings I can think of where it is all but impossible. Especially in low water conditions. Those rocks will not let the canoe in close enough to get out dry-foot. Many times I step out in water up to my knees." Yes on the tough old bird... I would love to be able to try Bill's recommendation... Most reasonable approach. I've tried the Seal Skins and they don't make one trip for me. I've liked my Chota "socks" but I'm good at going deep... I can't believe a person can get adventurous and have dry feet with anything limited. I like the chotas because not if, but when I get wet I'm still warm... not to warm. and always wear sock liners or you almost have to cut them off. Haha... Muck Boots are far better then I imagined. But I always fill them also... |
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deerfoot |
SourisMan: "Savage Voyageur: "Sourisman, Please post a link or picture or the boots you are referring to. It would help in the discussion. Thanks" I have these exact boots purchased 2 years ago at F&F on sale for $45. They served me well on several cold weather trips as well as volunteer work at a nature center. Last night I used Shoe Goo to try to repair a 1/2" fatigue crack where they bend about 5-6" up as I walk. Trip starting Wednesday. I guess I should have spent about $90 or so to buy Muck Boots. For the record I will be 71 next month. |