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bapabear
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As a friend and I were poring over maps this winter we had a disagreement on how to pronounce "Kawishiwi". One favors Ka-WISH-a-wee and the other thinks Ka-wa-SHE-wee. Maybe both are wrong, but wondered if anybody knew how to say it. No, I won't say which one I thought it was because I fear I'm wrong.
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The Great Outdoors
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Sterngirl
cash-UH-pee-wee
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VoyageurNorth
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Gib-ee-on-i-quay
Or we just call it Gebe (Gibby) :-)
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bumabu
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Kah-Wee-Shee-Wee.......might not be right, but it's right for me.
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The Great Outdoors
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It is pronounced Ka-WISH'-a-wee
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HighPlainsDrifter
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Kawashaway:
from the Algonquin, Kaw meaning "no" and Ashaway meaning "the place between"
"No Place Between-a spirit land"....... today we know it as Kawishiwi...... so written by dear Sig
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Jackfish
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I'm with the crowd that has always heard it pronounced "Ka-WISH-a-wee". Can't help you on Saganaga. I think I asked that question a few years ago on another board and can't remember what the concensus was.
As long as everyone knows how to pronounce "Jackfish Bay", I'm good. :-)
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Jackfish
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GEE-be-ON-a-kay
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Merganser
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I've always heard 'Ka-WISH-a-wee'.
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The Great Outdoors
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That's because that is the way it is pronounced:)
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spankatolla
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How about en-sin vs. en-sine
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Cedarboy
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Thank you "Wondering Man from High Flat land" for the reference.
CB
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marsonite
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Or how do you pronounce Gebeonequet?
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knothead180
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Once we settle this one, can anybody tell me if it's SA-ga-NA-ga, or Sa-GAN-a-ga? Is it an Ojibwa pronunciation guide that we need?
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Go Solo
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Ka WI shi wi
How about that for a change.
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Canoe42
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I was told it was pronounced "Ka-wa-SHE-wee". That does not mean it is true.
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Spartan2
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I have always heard it pronounced ka-WISH-a-we. Sounds right to me, and I would always agree with HoHo on such things. :-) But I am not a person with expert knowledge, either. Would love to hear from someone who really knows.
And then they can tackle Kekekabic, Ge-be-on-e-quet, etc. etc.
:-)
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FullGo
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Put me down for Ka-WISH-a-we.
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solotrek
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My vote is for Ka-WISH-a-wee and SAG-a-na-ga. Fact is, tho, that I was never instructed on the correct pronunciation of either...
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lmislinski
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Ensign - well, for an ex-Navy guy, I pronounce it EN-sin.
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Bannock
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Chippewa and Ojibway are the same. Both are pronounced chib-(rhymes with "jib")-wah. the "ch" is very soft.
I will defer to The Great Outdoors since he is a local, but I thought it was pronounced ka-WISH-a-way
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airmorse
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Not sure, I pronounce it Ka-WISH-a-wee. I'm sure I'm wrong. Usually am.
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crumpman
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Jordan or Jurden, it's a Southern thing
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Ho Ho
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I was told it is pronounced ka-WISH-a-wee. That does not mean it's true. :-) But it does sound better than ka-wa-SHE-wee, which was my initial stab at saying it.
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ILikePike
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ive only heard ka-WISH-a-wee. but of course that doenst mean its right.
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Soledad
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One google answer:
Experts agree on one thing when it comes to the meanings of Native American place names; most explanations are anecdotal and , as with most oral histories, it is virtually impossible to guarantee that the etymology is 100% accurate.
A scholar on the Chippewa Nation believes that Kawishiwi is (roughly translated) Chippewa for 'water with many shadows'. But no one is absolutely sure of that translation or any other.
And another:
The Kawishiwi river was given its name by the Ojibway Indians, and in English this name means "River full of Beaver Houses"
ka-WISH-a-wee is how I say it, and I would go with Sig's translation/meaning.
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UncleMoose
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I was told it was "ka-WISH-a-wee", but I've heard many locals say "ka-WISH-a-way".
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Patches the Canoe
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I like Ka-wish-shEE-wEE! Cause it's what you say when you cheat death on the rapids in a lake canoe...
Also, like sAg'-a-nAg'-a. Cause its damn long and spend an entire day in constant rain sagging from being tired and nagged by the leader to keep up.
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amhacker22@hotmail.com
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I have no idea on Kawishiwi, but I have heard Saganaga pronounced SA-ga-na by various Grand Marais locals. They dropped the last "ga".
Who knows.
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Petey
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How about Ogishkemuncie or Gabimichigami?
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sterngirl
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What about Kahshahpiwi?
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Dbldppr1250
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The gal that answered the phone at Kawishiwi Lodge said "Ka - WISH - a - wee
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The Great Outdoors
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Bannock,
Many locals (myself included say ka-WISH-a-way) but the correct way is as stated before, ka-WISH-a-wee.
We call our State Senator Amy Kluh-BUTCH-er (another local pronunciation of residents with the same name) and she calls herself Amy KLOBE-oosh-ar. (a southern Minnesota pronunciation:)
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bmac78
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try this "whu-givs-uh-chit"
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bloomingtonsteve
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I've heard Ka-WEE'shi-wee
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Captn Tony
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I'm getting a HEADache or is it headACHE!!!
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bapabear
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No, more like WHOO givs a CHITT unless you care enough to really want to know. Sounds like lots of ways are used but we all get the message what we're talking about. Many seem to go with Ka WISH a WEE so I'll lean toward that. Have great trips this summer everyone.
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bmac78
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Just kidding jeez
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sinking3
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There is not only native elements which I am not even going to attempt, but to me "Gebeonequet" sounds French. Perhaps because of the French fur trade. I live in "Cloquet" and the "quet" is pronounced like a long "a". Tid bit from Klo-kay.
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MrWalleye
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We went to the ranger station last year on our way to EP16 with 6 guys and we were corrected on how to pronounce Ge-be-on-e-quet, we made him repeat it too. We walked out of there and all of us still had a different version of how to say it and I'm pretty sure we were all wrong. We got a good laugh out of it and now we just call it GB.
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cowboymac12
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I was told sag-a-na-GAH once, corrected from sag-a-NAG-a
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emptynest56
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I have heard that the equat in Ge-be-on-equat is really equay or the Ojibwe word for "woman". It would be interesting to ask an Ojibwe linguist for translations or these names.
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cowboymac12
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I think AMhacker22 is right about dropping the last "ga" in Saganaga. Sa-ga-na...so in Michigan, Saginaw would be a phoenetic, "anglicized" spelling of the same word, perhaps?
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Koda
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Great thread!
The owner of Ka-wa-SHE-wee Lodge pronounces it Ka-WISH-a-wee.
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mdemarr
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Blow to shore.
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arctic
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Ka-WISH-awee is the proper pronunciation.
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The Great Outdoors
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I thought this was settled last May!
Someone looking for a tree or two??????? :)
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Amok
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I would guess that the vowel sounds need to remain constant. The 'i' sounds should be consistent throughout the word, unlike english pronunciations. "Ka-wi-shi-wi" (prounced like "wish" the whole time) or maybe "Kah-weh-she-weh" (prounced like "when" throughout the word, not the Canadian eh, though that is another possibility... "Ka-way-shay-way"). I am thinking this is something you would need to HEAR correctly to get right. Too many possibilities for me to say.
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Koda
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quote Amok: "I would guess that the vowel sounds need to remain constant. The 'i' sounds should be consistent throughout the word, unlike english pronunciations. "Ka-wi-shi-wi" (prounced like "wish" the whole time) or maybe "Kah-weh-she-weh" (prounced like "when" throughout the word, not the Canadian eh, though that is another possibility... "Ka-way-shay-way"). I am thinking this is something you would need to HEAR correctly to get right. Too many possibilities for me to say."
You might think the vowels would sound the same, and it might be true in Ojibway, but it doesn't work that way in other languages, e.g., Lakota. Transliteration is very limited in its ability to use one language's alphabet to capture another language's sounds. Anyone who knows Russian will agree.
I know a Blackfoot woman who has three i's in her name. Each is pronounced differently from the others - short "i", "ee" and "eye".
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Chilly
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I beauty of our F'ed up American language is there is no rhyme or reason to anything!!! Wind and Wind are pronounced 2 different ways and 2 different words, so whatever floats your boat will work in my book.
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Koda
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quote Chilly: "I beauty of our F'ed up American language is there is no rhyme or reason to anything!!! Wind and Wind are pronounced 2 different ways and 2 different words, so whatever floats your boat will work in my book. "
Different pronunciations and spelling rules are no surprise, considering the multiple roots of our language. It isn't just American, though it's English, and it comes primarily from Latin, Greek and German. Definitely a mashup.
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KennyLogIn
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Lived here 20 years. Always been "way" at the end.
Nice lake. Square has better fishing and is easier to pronounce.
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gutmon
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This is why I go to Basswood...
(or is it "BaseWood"???)
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kanoes
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no
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Koda
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Cudahy Hall at Loyola Univ. in Chicago is pronounced KUD-uh-hee
Cudahy, Wisconsin is pronounced KUD-uh-hay.
Go figure.
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Corndog
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I am sure it is pronounced KAW isha Wee. That sounds right to me!
My wife said it is Ka E Sha We.
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Amok
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quote Koda: "quote Amok: "I would guess that the vowel sounds need to remain constant. The 'i' sounds should be consistent throughout the word, unlike english pronunciations. "Ka-wi-shi-wi" (prounced like "wish" the whole time) or maybe "Kah-weh-she-weh" (prounced like "when" throughout the word, not the Canadian eh, though that is another possibility... "Ka-way-shay-way"). I am thinking this is something you would need to HEAR correctly to get right. Too many possibilities for me to say."
You might think the vowels would sound the same, and it might be true in Ojibway, but it doesn't work that way in other languages, e.g., Lakota. Transliteration is very limited in its ability to use one language's alphabet to capture another language's sounds. Anyone who knows Russian will agree.
I know a Blackfoot woman who has three i's in her name. Each is pronounced differently from the others - short "i", "ee" and "eye"."
As a music major, I did not have the privilege of singing anything in any indian language. But consistency is normally the rule in pronunciation when dealing with a foreign language. I can read/speak lots of stuff (German, Italian, French, Latin, et al) --I just have no idea what it says, lol. I did take one year of French ..... a long long time ago ... I am guessing that I will never know the proper way to pronounce this word :)
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AndySG
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When I asked, I was told Kaw-Weesh-ah-way (excuse my phonetic spelling.) The person who told me looked like he may have had Native American blood. Is anybody here an Ojibwa who can straighten this out?
If you've ever been to Hawaii (Hah-why-ee), you lean quickly there is no consistency in vowel or consonant pronunciations. Luckily, there are many of Hawaiian blood who can help you with pronouncing local names. Native Hawaiian is a beautiful and rich language, even though there are only twelve letters in the Hawaiian alphabet. I would guess Native American alphabets also have fewer letters, with multiple pronunciations for each letter.
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