Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Fishing Forum :: What do you think of these?
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bassnet |
That said, learning QM's technique will outfish , for bass, a swimming jig, by A LOT! Practice it at home. |
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gsfisher13 |
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QueticoMike |
quote Savage Voyageur: "They look like they will catch fish. I like the trailer willow blade on a swivel. They are really priced low in my opinion. I would think about $5.99 a piece. " +1 |
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mastertangler |
Just get yourself a few and go fishing. A big part of fishing is doing things your own way. Listen to all the advice and then chew the meat and spit out the bones. What Bassnet is saying is that lures are basically tools......... I like the offering but would only use it under certain conditions. I really like it for fishing in the weeds.........I would also probably use it as a swimming type jig in low light conditions. For some reason I keep picturing a big pike..........jigs are the unsung pike lure and with the addition of that little spinner (which looks like a baitfish trailing another fish) I think that might be a winner. I would likely get some Knot2Kinky wire leader in 15lb test and instead of using a snap I would tie the wire right to the lure. About 9" would be about right. Make sure and test your work. |
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QueticoMike |
quote bassnet: "Main concern is the blade... overall the "idea" looking interesting, but could the blade interfere with a hook set? Pretty sure the manufacturer will tell you NO! Also, you said you have not much luck with either a jig or spinnerbait.... I don't think you will have much luck with this "hybrid". Suggest you go fishing with ONLY jigs with you....with ONLY spinnerbaits with you. Learn feel, weight, trailers. Lures are tools. The four main "foodgroups" are jigs(worms, Carolina), spinnerbaits(long, short arm), cranks(what a can of worms!), topwaters. Lures are not magical. Fishing is not buying the coolest looking cranks, and being told (by the manufacturer!) that only dynamite is better. Speed+location+depth=fish. Will that new lure work? Probably...looks like it's forte is falling. But so a short arm spinnerbait will do the same thing, and the spinner does not get in the way of the hook or trailer. Sorry, a little aggressive... I want you to catch fish, not be unsuccessful. I want you to evaluate lures , not buy....something." That makes sense to me about the blade interference. On a traditional spinner bait you never see the fish hitting the blades, they know to hit the skirted head below the blades. Since soft plastic jerk baits like ZMAN ShadZ or Zulus aren't part of your food groups, they must be considered dessert. Lures may not be magical, but these lures used in Quetico for smallmouth are awfully close :) |
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BobberRob |
Solid, proven concept, IMO. I've used these with great success for bass and northern. I'd throw Keitechs, Kalin's grubs, z-man, and other plastic on this rig along weed lines. I bring up 2 or 3 of these ones I linked every trip. I'd say grab a few and give them a shot! |
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mastertangler |
Here is what I would do........I like the Perch pattern and Toms Bluegill but I would ask him to make them with a gold blade instead of silver and ditch the weed guards. Notice the position of the hook eye? These are swimming jigs as opposed to flipping jigs......better for canoe country. This stuff looks to be of super quality and a GREAT price. I just might have to take my own advice and get some LOL. Did you check out the Chatterbaits he makes? Again, a great price (about 1/2 what others want for seemingly comparable lures). Chatter baits are awesome BTW. And yes.......Mikes Zulu method is lights out for the bass when they are shallow and will likely outproduce these swimming jigs 20 to 1 for the Bronzebacks. I like the jigs for pike and low light walleye fishing. |
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A1t2o |
quote BobberRob: "These are just underspin lures, no? How do the plastics do with the blade? Does the blade just perform a different task in this situation or does it still spin? I guess I could see the blade providing motion and reflecting light while sitting right next to the fake bait that the fish bites at. I will be going in August on a bass and northern lake so I'm starting to think that some of these in weed-less and regular are going to be a good purchase. What type of retrieve do you do? I'm newer to the jigging so more details would be appreciated. I also tend to over think things so bear with me. I have also read up on the weed-less jigs like these and some people say to fan out the guard and trim the bristles directly over the hook to make it easier to set the hook. Would you guys recommend this? I believe the bristles being trimmed were trimmed down to the jig to keep them from getting to be too stiff. |
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bassnet |
Sluggo S/Senkos/Flukes are in the worms/jigs category(for me). Before them, we used Creme Scoundrels and weightless Fliptail worms. Thinking about OP, a weighted original Creme Scoundrel(yes, with that stupid little spinner!) would work nicely. Its weedless, vaguely looks and moves correctly. Swimming a jig in those long columns of cabbage weeds is an excellent technique in the BW. A white jig with a curly tail... or(think out of the box!) a white craw ( pincers to you, back fins to a fish). The Salt Craw used to be had white with black claws. |
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QueticoMike |
quote bassnet: "Oh, forgot. Yes, trim the weedguard back...so that it is a bit above the hook." I don't think there is a need for a weed guard until later in the year and depending on where you fish no need all year long. |
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BobberRob |
I honestly haven't found issues with hooksets on these, but Bassnet's comment has got me going down that rabbit hole of thinking I may have missed a PB! I was initially worried about that so I started using these with a trailer hook typically used when fish are short striking. I didn't notice any difference on the hook set, but interference with the blade definitely occurred more frequently. |
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A1t2o |
Jigs4bass What do you guys think? I was tempted by some of their spinner baits and switch blade jigs. I need a new spinner or two anyways, except when I went to maybe get one I found myself with a larger cart than I had anticipated. Never happens with anyone else, right? I guess my point is that I haven't used jigs like these and spinner baits too much so I don't know enough about them. We have done a lot of bass fishing in the past though and my buddy has had success with spinner baits so I want to give it a try. Do these look like a good deal and would they work? Looks like the guy hand makes them out of Missouri, not sure if the location indicates a difference in target fish or structure. Shipping seems decent too. If you know a better place to go please let me know about it too. |
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mastertangler |
I really like the hook.......nice wide bend, premium. I picture using these in some timber or thicker weeds. But maybe not so much in open water canoe country. Don't get me wrong, they will likely take fish in open water canoe country but I might be inclined to remove the weed guards if I were to fish open water as it makes for a better looking bait and MUCH easier to set the hook. But maybe the trick with these is to find some cabbage weeds and ease them through, letting them drop into the holes. Some Knot2Kinky wire would help with getting nipped off and some stouter tackle like a bass flipping stick would need to be used to get fish out of cabbage. 17lb or even 20lb mono line would not be to heavy for this type of work and even heavier braid say 30lb might be best. Don't underestimate the propensity for a big fish to run deep in these type of weeds. If they do just keep mildly tight, paddle until your directly above them and ease them up and out of trouble. You might also take some Lakers with such a rig.......white and silver jigged in deep water................, remove the weed guard. Think it through, have a plan. Remember such jigs usually sport a fairly thick eye and consequently if using mono you might have to fish some thicker line to get a good connection........again lending to the concept of fishing these in the weeds where you would need thicker line anyway. If you wanted to swim these in open water however lighter line would be very helpful in getting bites. Use the large size fas snap to help reduce the diameter of the tie off and you would get a good connection with 10b test. |
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Savage Voyageur |
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DenisLemeiux |
You'd better post pics of something other than fishin' stuff Very Disappointing! |
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TeamTuna06 |
quote DenisLemeiux: "If you're going to entitle your post "What do you think of these"? I see what you did there...! |
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A1t2o |
quote TeamTuna06: "quote DenisLemeiux: "If you're going to entitle your post "What do you think of these"? Had to google it, before my time. |
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mastertangler |
quote A1t2o: "They aren't all weedless. If you look at the catalog then you can see a bunch of different options in both regular and weedless. Thanks for the input though on when and how to use them. I was thinking the weedless would be good around fallen trees, sunken logs, and rock piles." I didn't get it either until I googled it..........he was one funny guy. Lots of the "newer" comedians not so much. Yup the weedless is good around timber and weeds.........not so much rock piles. Usually jigs get wedged in rocks regardless the nylon fibers. If your fishing rocks and not getting hung once in a while your not fishing them right. Just keep your casts a bit shorter and when you get hung just paddle over and get it. Check for abrasion occasionally. |
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TeamTuna06 |
quote DenisLemeiux: "If you're going to entitle your post "What do you think of these"? I see what you did there...! |