Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Fishing Forum :: braided line for lakers?
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bwcasolo |
mastertangler: "Al Linder uses 4lb green XT? Who knew? I got turned onto the stuff decades ago via a fishing pal. We were a good team.......I was "find'em" and he was "catch'em". He had a boat but was more or less clueless about finding fish and would spend endless time on non productive spots. Finally I got frustrated and said "Gimme this boat" and started calling the shots. He used 4lb green XT and rubber worms and I soon followed suit. this was quite a few years ago, maybe 25? |
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mastertangler |
The stuff also casts a mile if you don't use a small diameter spool. The old Zebco Cardinal reel with its wide spool was ideal. We also used to fish a huge marsh coming off Lake St Clair and in the early spring the big bass would be as thick as thieves but in the shallow clear water getting close was a problem. Hello 4lb XT! Throw an original perch colored j-11 rapala and long casts and it would get crushed. Huge fun........those were some glad days. It also came in really handy on that unnamed lake at the end of Kings Point in the Quetico several years back. There was 4 of us and we ventured out to secure lunch. It was super sunny and flat calm. You could see the big smallies cruising but they wouldn't eat. I dropped to 4lb and a 4" worm and had our guys lunch in no time flat including a decent pike in addition to bass. 4lb green XT, it flat out catches fish in tough conditions. Hey arent we supposed to be talking about braided line for Lakers and not getting all nostalgic? Ahem, yes braid will help you get deeper ;-) |
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Wally13 |
Precision Trolling App Most of the lures we purchase today have the lures’ achievable depth written on the box, but most of us struggle to know the exact depth that lure is running at variable speeds and distance behind the boat, as each lure achieves its depth differently from another. If an angler is able to understand what their particular trolling crankbait is doing while deployed they are able to increase their hook up percentage considerably. The Precision Trolling Data App has over 180 crankbaits downloaded in the app, and I can look at the lure I choose to troll with and determine with great confidence how deep my lure is running with a specified amount of line put out. For example: For Lakers: Deep Tail Dancers TDD-11 116 feet of line out .... 25 feet deep For Walleye: Deep Down Husky Jerk DHJ-12 120 feet of line out .... 17 feet deep 10 lb. Berkley XT MONO is what Precision uses to determine their depth curves ( I am sure Mastertangler is smiling right now as he is a big fan of Green Berkley XT Mono). I really like the extra stretch for hook sets when I have over 100 feet of line out. You really need a good line counter reel to use the Precision Trolling system. The Shimano Tekota Line Counter Reel that MT recommends is perfect for this app. I use Suffix 832 braided line for jigging and bottom bouncing walleyes. But have moved to Mono for trolling for lakers and walleye. I have had good luck using this app. I look for fish on my depth finder and try to put my trolling lure just over the top of the fish I am seeing. "Try it .... You will like it." |
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rpike |
I would certainly have followed the Athabasca guide's recommendation, especially after losing a big fish. |
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AmarilloJim |
mapsguy1955: "I caught a 45 lb Kingfish on a jig with 30 lb Powerpro and a 40 lb Flourocarbon shock leader. I've caught Lakers to 30 lbs on similar rigs but the initial attack and run of the King surpassed the Laker. I didn't have a problem with the line. I'm thinking the guides weren't exactly right on the tendency of braid to pull down into the spool. I haven't seen it. All I use is braid with a leader. In the Q I use 8-10 lb power pro for everything. " Do you use a spinning real? Why would the guides have an effect? |
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bwcasolo |
quote walllee: "Before I departed for a Laker fishing trip to famed Lake Athabaska I loaded up a reel with 30 pound power pro, which I thought would be great for Laker fishing. When I got to the camp, one of the guides was checking out our equipment to make sure we were properly geared up for the next day. He seen I had braided line on one of my Calcutta reels. He strongly recommended that I switch over to 20 to 30 pound mono. He stated that they had a problem with braided line getting pulled down into the spool on larger fish. Not only on initial hookset, but also when fighting the fish. He stated many clients have lost big fish when using the thinner diameter line. What happens is the line gets embedded in the spool under other line and does not allow the line to exit the reel when the fish makes a run, or after the initial violent strikes that a big Laker can deliver. Granted this scenario only happens on larger fish, but isn't that what we are all after? The average size fish we would be catching were around 20 pounds in Athabaska. It is a remarkable fishery. I did change out my line on the guides request. My uncle was my boat partner the first day. He decided to keep power pro on his reel. He just didnt think it would be a huge issue. The first day we had tremendous action with fish after fish in the high teens to up to 20 pounds. Later that afternoon my uncle got a hit while we were trolling. This strike was from a much larger fish for sure, probably in the 30 to 40 pound class. After fighting the fish for 5 minutes, it made a strong fast run, and sure enough the power pro embedded in the spool, and knotted the line. That was the end of the battle! The fish was gone, and he had a broken pole. The line didn't break because of the strength of the braided line, but the pole did! Needless to say, everybody in our group switched all the poles to mono and had no problems the rest of the trip. The largest Laker we caught that trip was 53 pounds. All members of the group caught numerous fish in the 30 to 40 pound range. I'm sure the chance of this being a issue in the boundary waters is slim, but I use only mono line since that trip and have good results. " great story indeed. being a mono person, and with the facts you shared, i will stick to mono. i've gotten by with 8lb trilene xt, low vis green for lakers in the bwca and have been fine. i was curious about the braided line. thanks. most of the fish i have caught have been under 10 lbs. |
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walllee |
quote old_salt: "I use 12-15 lb mono, never lost a fish due to broken line. With a proper drag set, you won’t either."Agree.... |
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carmike |
Your mileage may vary, as they say. |
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bwcasolo |
mastertangler: "bwcasolo........a man after my own heart using 8lb green XT. I thought I was the only one. Superior knot strength and probably breaks closer to 10lb of actual force. Does fine on the spool as long as the reel isn't dinky (small diameter spool). For superior finesse fishing with small baits try using the 4lb XT in green. You will be astonished at the size of fish you can catch with the stuff. all my years fishing i have used 4 lb low vis green xt. yes, it is amazing what you can catch with that line, and i have caught some hog smallies. i think years ago i probably saw the tip from fishing with al linder. it stuck. my biggest smallie, 5lb 7 oz. was released off that line, very healthy release as well. i'll stick to 8 lb on my baitcaster for trolling. |
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mastertangler |
Lots of different lines to catch Lakers I guess. I used lead core on Isle Royale and it worked well except it seemed that it took the fight out of the fish a bit. |
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rpike |
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mastertangler |
I am in a conundrum however. I certainly don't doubt your guides advice and I would be inclined to listen to them as well......but something isn't quite kosher. In salt water the usage of power pro is common and for faster harder pulling fish than even a 50 lb laker. I wonder what the deal is? Is it the type of reel, how the power pro is put on or perhaps the diameter of the power pro? I put a great deal of weight with guides, mates or captains. When all else fails do what they suggest. |
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walllee |
quote mastertangler: "Wow what a great story Wallee. Dream fish to be sure.The guide said it was the smaller diameter that was the issue. I did notice all of the guides were using clear mono. |
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mastertangler |
15lb mono seems rather excessive in my book. Crank baits don't dive as deep and their action is less than with lighter lb tests. There are few fish in canoe country which you can't beat with 10b test in open water. The only advantage is you can horse them in a bit more quickly. Although I would use 15lb test as the length of line off say a dipsy diver and a spoon. No stretch, no room for error. |
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mastertangler |
I may only bring 4 types of cranks and already know what their characteristics are. The line counter makes it easy, just let line out until you tick bottom, note the amount of line out and check the depth on your depth finder. From then on you have it wired. Sometimes I can't help but wonder if trolling to precisely might hurt me. 12" to 24" off bottom as compared to maybe fishing 5' to 7' off bottom. I guess it depends on the mood of the fish and wether they want to hunt something down or not. I like the concept of trolling fast and bringing the bait right into the fish........just ticking them off as it were. Get them angry at this little fish who has the nerve to swim right up next to me. I have been using 20lb Suffix 832 and 10ft of fluorocarbon leader via an FG knot. Works pretty good. |
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bwcasolo |
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mastertangler |
But I cannot bring myself to fish like that. I like power pro in heavier sizes (30 to 80lb) and like Suffix 832 in lighter lb tests (don't ask why as I have no coherent answer ;-) And then of course I use a 6' to 10' fluorocarbon leader via an FG knot. |
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bwcasolo |
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walllee |
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Mnpat |
Winter lake trout I use pline for abrasion and some stretch. Any braid over 40 lb won't dig into the spool when spooled properly under tension. |
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walllee |
quote Mnpat: "Summer lake trout I use 10 fireline with a flouro leader.Could be, we were using 30, not 60 . |