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02/15/2014 01:00PM |
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06/01/2014 05:15AM |
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02/18/2014 11:53AM |
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02/18/2014 09:22AM |
quote TomT: "With my unit all I want is water depth and type of bottom structure eg: hard flat, boulders, weeds, etc. I'm not looking to see walleyes stacked on a dropoff because I'm trolling for the most part and looking for a reef I can then stop and work.
My question is will going through the hull skew any of this for me? Will I still get an accurate reading but maybe not see the big bass behind the boulder? I use a 14 year old Vexilar Boundary Waters model.
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I have the same unit, not quite as old. It will see fish through my wood and glass kayak.
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02/18/2014 01:27PM |
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02/18/2014 03:36PM |
quote yogi59weedr: "How will this affect the. Temp reading"
Temps will be off, but by how much depends on time of year and how much your hull insulates from the water. In spring when the ice is just off the lakes, the freezing water cools my woodstrip hull down to the same temp as the water, so same reading. In summer there is a greater differential, so yes, temps will not be accurate then.
Moonman.
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02/12/2014 01:50PM |
Moonman
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02/12/2014 02:33PM |
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02/12/2014 04:26PM |
quote bojibob: "Sorry I gave very little information in my mini self rant....
The Canoe is SR Q18.5
The PVC/Transducer looked great until we started to move and then it bended back due to the resistance and water flow making it ineffective while moving.
This is the portable but it looks like the through the hull method is the way to go. Can someone go through the the Steps to make this work A-Z?
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Hey Boji. I've got the Piranhmax 230 and I've gone through several "I'm an idiot" trial and error methods for the transducer while in the Quetico...that's the most I'm gonna admit to anyway....except for that time in 1998 when I almost dropped my Explorer into a Wisconsin lake in the middle of January while ice fishing....oops....
Anyway, I heard from a buddy 2 years ago that a simple method (too simple) is to put the transducer into a quart freezer ziplock half full of water and place it on the bottom of the canoe a few feet in front of you....and the results?? It works!! Bring a little sour cream container with the bottom cut out to keep the ziplock from falling over....How simple is that??
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02/12/2014 11:42AM |
quote bojibob: "Sorry I gave very little information in my mini self rant....
The Canoe is SR Q18.5
The PVC/Transducer looked great until we started to move and then it bended back due to the resistance and water flow making it ineffective while moving.
This is the portable but it looks like the through the hull method is the way to go. Can someone go through the the Steps to make this work A-Z?
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It is very easy to set up. The transducer will shoot through your hull and only needs to have a layer of water between it and the hull to start working. The foam cut out, just is an easy way to hold the transducer and the water.
1) get some suitable foam. You can use a small section of an old blue foam sleeping pad or a section of the foam fatigue mats you might put on a workshop floor (the ones with the jigsaw puzzle type cut outs along the edges, to join multiple panels). Anything that water will not permeate.
2)Place your transducer on top and with a sharpie marker trace around the transducer, onto the foam. This will be the inside of the cut out. Then make another line, approx one half inch or so away from and around the first line. Cut the foam along both lines so you have a ring, shaped like your transducer. You want the inside line, that holds the transducer, kind of tight to hold it by friction when you place it in there. Test the fit to get it to your liking.
3)Choose a location to glue down the foam. Some guys like it up nearer the bow seat, so they get readings slightly in advance of where their stern seat will be a second or so later. I like it located near me, just under the rear thwart.
4) Glue the foam cut out down. I use silicone, as this can easily be removed again ( at least on my wood strip varnished hull). Don't use too much so that the glue oozes out and prevents the transducer from sitting in there nicely. Let the glue dry.
5) Thats it. When underway and wanting to use your finder, just scoop out a few drops of water (you can just dip your paddle in the lake and let the drops sit in the foam cut-out), place your transducer in there and start fishing. You do not need any fancy transducer, the one that comes with your unit will work fine. Nothing could be easier and no messing with extra weight and bulk of transducer attachment arms, or the added drag on your canoe. Although if using something like Arlo has rigged up, I agree, not much extra drag.
Here is a pic of mine:
Moonman.
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02/12/2014 01:31PM |
Moonman.
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02/12/2014 01:20PM |
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02/12/2014 03:49PM |
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02/12/2014 04:45PM |
quote Moonman: "What kind of canoe material? It is very easy to mount the transducr to shoot thru your hull. Just use some silicone to stick down some foam, cut out to the shape of your transducer, then when using the finder, a few drops of water in the foam cutout, place the transducer in there and you are in business. Works great, and no drag on the canoe when paddling. Works in almost any material ( kevlar, fiberglass, cedarstrip etc) except shooting thru foam core.
Moonman."
will mounting it inside the canoe also work with an aluminum?
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07/30/2018 09:29PM |
Frenchy: "
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I'm looking for information and pictures on how to mount my pmax 175 transducer outside of my canoe. Some of the responses on this thread are still pretty funny and make me laugh, even from four years ago.
That said, I do like the external mount using the metal rod or plate but I think I'm going to try a 3/4 in lightweight pvc pipe and a small, plastic clamp. I have the suction cups and appropriate hardware...looks like I'll be out in the garage tinkering at my work bench this week before heading north this weekend. Any thoughts?
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07/31/2018 07:02AM |
A piece of metal strapping works well
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07/31/2018 10:27AM |
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07/31/2018 01:29PM |
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07/31/2018 07:30PM |
I am renting a Wenonah Boundary Waters canoe from VNO.
I don't think that is a foam core but I'm not 100% sure.
Maybe I should switch to a Q17?
I have my foam cut out and I plan on putting my transducer in a ziploc bag full of water and then setting that inside the foam cutout. I can't attach/glue it to a rental.
Any advice on this?
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08/01/2018 10:47AM |
AmarilloJim: "It is pliable enough to bend if I forget to rotate it up before land fall but water pressure does not move it."
Thanks. I may look into this as an option as it looks fairly simple to set up and carry in to the backcountry.
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08/01/2018 11:38AM |
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02/12/2014 04:51PM |
quote brantlars: "quote Moonman: "What kind of canoe material? It is very easy to mount the transducr to shoot thru your hull. Just use some silicone to stick down some foam, cut out to the shape of your transducer, then when using the finder, a few drops of water in the foam cutout, place the transducer in there and you are in business. Works great, and no drag on the canoe when paddling. Works in almost any material ( kevlar, fiberglass, cedarstrip etc) except shooting thru foam core.
Moonman."
will mounting it inside the canoe also work with an aluminum?"
yes
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02/14/2014 03:32PM |
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02/14/2014 08:12PM |
quote lundojam: "A glob of vaseline will hold a transducer in place and facilitate the through-hull signal. You'll get a few double-takes on the portage trail as well when you yell "Larry, you got the vaseline brand petroleum jelly?""Will KY work then too? :^)
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02/14/2014 02:22PM |
quote PINETREE: "I see no reason why you would want to mount it in the bottom,it sits very good by itself. Mounting it I think would make a mess in your canoe and it would get in the way at times."
This can be true, but depends on the shape of your transducer. A ziplock with water will work as I stated abive, but then it can still flop over at times and then you are propping it up. With the foam, you are not so much as 'mounting' the transducer, as you are 'mounting' the foam. The foam holds both the water and transducer, weighs nothing and you just pick up the transducer to pack up, flip canoe, portage etc. no mess no smell.
Moonman
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02/15/2014 09:08AM |
Making a transducer out of metal is easy, either 3/16 stainless steel rod with the end ground flat to drill a couple small mounting holes or a piece of angled aluminum cut & bolted into an "L" shape. Both will clamp to the side of the boat.
Total cost will run you $20 from Home Depot.
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02/14/2014 07:19PM |
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02/15/2014 11:54AM |
quote schweady: "quote Dilligaf0220: "...with a lower end unit & inexperienced user fishing shallow on inland lakes...you probably won't notice..."
Wow. I know the OP named the post "I'm an idiot......." but, REALLY?
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I fish with guys that swear by shooting through the hull.
I can't stand it.
It's like thinking the picture on your standard def cable TV is fine...until you see a true 1080p HD video.
Throwing together an arm is simple.
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02/15/2014 12:46PM |
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02/11/2014 09:22PM |
Moonman.
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02/11/2014 09:28PM |
Did you get the portable? If it Does not have the suction cup attachment for the transducer you can always order one. I have an older piranhamax portable and have no problems with the transducer, will even read through the hull if you get a little water in the bottom of the canoe.
Bruce
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02/11/2014 09:41PM |
quote Arkansas Man: "Rob,
Did you get the portable? If it Does not have the suction cup attachment for the transducer you can always order one. I have an older piranhamax portable and have no problems with the transducer, will even read through the hull if you get a little water in the bottom of the canoe.
Bruce"
Thru the hull person myself id I use one. Lot more quite while paddling also. None of this gurgling sound,it drove me crazy when everything suppose to be so quite around you.
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02/11/2014 08:57PM |
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02/12/2014 12:21AM |
+1 Moonman,
I have used your "thru the hull" tramducer mounting method using foam for a few years now. It works real well and there is no drag on the canoe when paddling vs. a lot of drag that you get when using a suction cup mount.
This year I am going to use the closed cell foam from a kidde (child) buckle floatation device. There are usually 4 layers of hard closed foam held together with a buckle. Kayakers in Austrailia have sucessfully used these kidde floats for a few years now to mount their transducers to the hull of their kayaks.
I am also going to try using a wad of black DUCT SEAL (what is used to fill holes around your house siding when installing air conditioner hoses and tv wires) to form a "well" ...and then you pour about 1/8 inch of water and then push in transducer and cover with more duct seal. I am told duct seal sticks real well to kevlar, composites, fiberglass etc. it is simple to use, lasts thru the trip and easy to undo and redo.
Bottomline, a lot of paddlers use a hunk of silicone to mount their transducers to their hulls. But I believe using foam or duct seal with water between the transducer and the hull provides a more accurate depth and fish reading. Many times there are too many small air pockets with silicone that can interrupt the signal going to and from the transducer.
"Thru the hull" transducer mounting is one topic that Old Salt and i will be covering in our upcoming talk at Copia "Planning a fishing-based canoe trip.'
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02/11/2014 08:43PM |
Last year I bought a Piranamax 160 PT and we created a PVC Mount off the front handle of the canoe to mount the transducer....
This failed miserably.
Tell me how to make this thing work or it will be in the for sale section in Sep
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02/12/2014 09:49AM |
The Canoe is SR Q18.5
The PVC/Transducer looked great until we started to move and then it bended back due to the resistance and water flow making it ineffective while moving.
This is the portable but it looks like the through the hull method is the way to go. Can someone go through the the Steps to make this work A-Z?
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02/12/2014 10:48AM |
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02/12/2014 11:35AM |
I have a foam core so I bent a piece of 1/4" X 5/8" aluminum stock. It clamps nicely under my tite-loc rod holder and has very little water resistance. Electrical tape holds the 'ducer on and the chord in check. Just another idea.
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02/14/2014 01:11PM |
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02/14/2014 02:10PM |
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02/14/2014 11:21PM |
quote Moonman: "A good way to compare and test is to take your canoe down to a lake. Take a plastic bag with you. Paddle out a bit, then put some water in the bag, place your transducer in there, and plop the works down on your hull. Look at the screen and readings etc. Then hold the transducer over the side and compare the screen. You'll see there is no difference.
Moonman"
That is going to be harder to do than it sounds...this week...lol
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02/15/2014 10:35AM |
quote Dilligaf0220: "...with a lower end unit & inexperienced user fishing shallow on inland lakes...you probably won't notice..."
Wow. I know the OP named the post "I'm an idiot......." but, REALLY?
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02/15/2014 02:46PM |
quote gutmon: "Anyone set up the transducer off the stern of the canoe? Would seem that it would reduce drag."
i think it would be too difficult to get to if you hit shallow water.
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02/15/2014 06:18PM |
quote bojibob: "This is all good.... keep working the problem people
Gentlemen, This is a trip to the BWCA failure is not an option !!
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02/15/2014 09:33AM |
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02/15/2014 05:47PM |
Bruce
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02/17/2014 02:55PM |
Moonman.
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02/17/2014 03:15PM |
quote lundojam: "A glob of vaseline will hold a transducer in place and facilitate the through-hull signal. You'll get a few double-takes on the portage trail as well when you yell "Larry, you got the vaseline brand petroleum jelly?""I hear Banjos :-)
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02/17/2014 03:54PM |
... I am with Moonman. I have yet to find anything that works better than a foam cut out silicone to your hull for a non permanent way to mount your transducer.
"Try it ...you will like it".
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02/17/2014 02:47PM |
I love the simple idea of using a zip lock with water, or vasaline. Thanks you guys. Sometimes the simplest is the best.
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02/18/2014 07:57AM |
My question is will going through the hull skew any of this for me? Will I still get an accurate reading but maybe not see the big bass behind the boulder? I use a 14 year old Vexilar Boundary Waters model.
The TV analogy is a good one btw. And loving the Apollo 13 stuff. You guys crack me up.
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02/18/2014 10:02AM |
quote TomT: "With my unit all I want is water depth and type of bottom structure eg: hard flat, boulders, weeds, etc. I'm not looking to see walleyes stacked on a dropoff because I'm trolling for the most part and looking for a reef I can then stop and work.
My question is will going through the hull skew any of this for me? Will I still get an accurate reading but maybe not see the big bass behind the boulder? I use a 14 year old Vexilar Boundary Waters model.
The TV analogy is a good one btw. And loving the Apollo 13 stuff. You guys crack me up.
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My unit is a garmin echo 100. I can see depth and fish just fine shooting through the hull. I mainly just want depth and bottom type same as you mentioned. I bought my unit because it has great features, screen size and resolution, is small and not bulky to pack, it was cheap and has a very low current draw - meanng longer lasting battery power. My hull is a cedar strip and even though I have heard people say you can't read through a cedar strip hull, that is simply not true. I think you just have to go out and test it for yourself, with the baggie/ziplock as I mentioned in a post above. Hull type has an effect, foam core doesn't work due to the air - an analogy would be like holding your transducer over the water and expecting it to read. The signal is designed to work through water, so materials closest to water characteristics will work best. There is some info on that aspect on a couple forums I read a few years ago. Also, I have heard guys say it didn't work on one section of their boat, but they moved it a few inches and then it worked perfectly. So if you are presently using a suction cup or arm setup, just take a baggie with you next time, fill with water and put our transducer in there and test it through your hull. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Moonman.
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02/18/2014 12:23PM |
quote yogi59weedr: "Okay after breaking of the transducer on the roller portage between triangle. And ojibway and tring to keep it off the rocks while putting on portage wheels st newton falls maybe I shpuld mount thru the hull.. I hav a14ft alumacraft with15hp evinrude.. question is will I still get a reading while on plane"
Yes...IF that part of the boat is in the water.
You don't want an air gap...anywhere in the column.
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02/18/2014 01:41PM |
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02/18/2014 03:30PM |
I just put the transducer wet on the bottom of my kevlar canoe and have good readings. No mess mo bother.
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02/18/2014 03:41PM |
quote Moonman: "quote yogi59weedr: "How will this affect the. Temp reading"
Temps will be off, but by how much depends on time of year and how much your hull insulates from the water. In spring when the ice is just off the lakes, the freezing water cools my woodstrip hull down to the same temp as the water, so same reading. In summer there is a greater differential, so yes, temps will not be accurate then.
Moonman."
Just reading surface temps anyhow,stick the probe over the side for a second.
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07/31/2018 10:47PM |