Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Gear Forum :: Sawyer filter vs crystal light
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yellowcanoe |
Add flavorings as you like the beauty of the Dromedary is you can throw it up on your neck while portaging and thats when you need the most hydration. Yes I am muddying the issue. I never have carried a water bottle on any canoe trip except for carrying gorp. Filter the water first before adding any flavorings may add a very pleasurable new discovery for you. Sweet water. I am fortunate enough to live in good water country. So good its sold commercially. I do ergo choke on city water. |
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bwcadan |
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boonie |
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Wick |
quote mjmkjun: " You must have read it wrong, from the email reply boonie posted, sawyer says it will work fine. Their filter will not remove the taste or the coloring of the added “enhancement” to the water. |
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Wick |
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Wick |
quote nctry: "I don't know why you'd flavor water before you filtered it. I'd only flavor the water I was drinking. I wouldn't want to rehydrate food with fruit flavored water. " You missed the original post. |
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mjmkjun |
Wick: "quote mjmkjun: " Thanks. I did read it wrong. FYI: Double posting = system hiccup. |
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jcavenagh |
butthead: "I have one filter/purifier that takes out the taste of everything I have put through it, without a carbon filter. First Need XLE Purifier Between backpacking where it got the crappiest used in small ponds/creeks, to purifying the nastiest water I have found in the BWCA. It all comes out with no noticed taste to me. I have several other filter choices that are lighter, smaller, and more convenient, but none that remove flavors like the First Need. While my testing of a Saywer Mini did not alter the taste of Kool-Aid or remove the color, I think it will clog the filter quicker. This post highlights the difference between a water filter and a water purifier. Most filters will stop things like bacteria from getting to your mouth, but not viral or chemical impurities. Purifiers will remove just about all viruses and often remove chemical impurities like ag runoff. |
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Wick |
quote butthead: While my testing of a Saywer Mini did not alter the taste of Kool-Aid or remove the color, I think it will clog the filter quicker. Kind of messed up my decision making there butthead. Are flavor and color in the same class/size that “things that make you sick” are in? Class/size is probably a bad description, but i do not know how to put it any other way. I guess, if a filter lets taste and color thru, will it also let bad things thru? |
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Northwoodsman |
If you don't want to mess with building a gravity system, or the expense of buying a ready-to-use one, the bladder bag listed below works well. I brought two of them this year to collect water with to supply my gravity system. The Sawyer Squeeze filter or Mini filter will screw right to it and you have an instant system. Sawyer Water Bladder |
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Wick |
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Savage Voyageur |
You also should get a water pitcher for your home use that has a carbon element in it. Just like in an aquarium, you need charcoal or carbon to remove any waste. If you were to have one pound of activated charcoal it would be the equivalent to 100 acres in surface area. Looking at it under a microscope you will see millions of tiny holes that trap minerals and impunity’s. Wick, To clarify what butthead said was the Saryer filter (did not) remove the color or taste. But when he tested the First need filter he said that it (DID) remove the color and taste. These are two different filters. The First need filter is a filter and a purifier. I would not filter koolaid or flavored drinks because it would clog the filter prematurely. Get the First need filter for your needs. |
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Wick |
quote boonie: "The reply from Sawyer customer service: From that answer, it sounds like the flavor and coloring are as small as virus particles, would pass thru, and would not plug the filter any faster. That makes sense with buttheads test of the koolaid and First Need, which filters virus, and does filter the color and taste from the koolaid. I think i have it all straight, thanks again guys! I’ll be back, many more questions before my sept trip! |
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Wick |
quote boonie: "We have many answers, and some will be right (for you). The water problem will be the worst thing on the trip for me. My wife has been laughing about me having to drink “plain old water”. Well, that and not having a hot shower everyday to get my joints warmed and moving in the morning. I will enjoy everything else. |
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Northwoodsman |
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fadersup |
Consider investing in a Berkey filter at home. Makes my Chicago tapwater taste as clean and fresh as the cold well water at my parents house. It's incredible. It's a bit pricey up front but the filters are cleanable and actually are classified as purifiers since they remove viruses and heavy metals. They last and last. You won't regret it. |
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mjmkjun |
quote Wick: "I hate the taste of water. All my life, my grandmothers well water was delicious,,but no water since has been drinkable. The county water at my home is awful. Try the 3 gal or 5 gals. sold at Lowe's. Good tasting water. Taste like fresh rain water that my grandmother used to collect in her cistern. Well, almost. Propel sells small flavored packets w/electrolytes. Grape flavor might work for you. Look nearby the Crytal Light. I don't detect any off-taste in lake water through a personal sawyer bottle w/filter. The best tasting water I've had in the BW is when my Katadyn filter clogged on Kelly Lake (slightly tannic) and I had to drink unfiltered lake water to curb dehydration. Tasted SO GOOD! ;-) sidenote: as others stated won't work to add flavor to personal sawyer bottle w/ filter. Of course, once you get to camp and have buncha filtered water ........ |
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Wick |
quote Northwoodsman: Regardless of my filter I do not drink of filter water anywhere near a beaver dam/house." I will remember that! |
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OCDave |
I like water you can taste. Kind of like the "terroir" associated with wines from around the world, I equate the taste of the water to reflecting the landscape around me. Grassy, tannic, minerally ect. Perhaps rather than finding a better way to cover the taste, embrace the taste differences. Let me know which lake has the best tasting. Good Luck |
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butthead |
The First Need may be overkill for the BWCA, and while I still use mine I also use simpler and lighter filters when the First Need is stretching my packing. Think of your filter just like any automotive filter, in dirtier air it needs to be replaced more often. Adding extra flavoring (any flavoring adds coloring, flavoring, and other stuff), will put more stuff in the water to filter out. As long as you realize the additions to make water palatable also add to the stuff being filtered and accept a quicker used past effective point, I think it is not a problem. Personally I accept possible failures and plan accordingly. "if a filter lets taste and color thru, will it also let bad things thru?" Short answer, YES. But with reservations as to where you are filtering and potential "bad stuff" to filter out. The critters of importance found in the BWCA are mostly large protozoan and cysts. If I'm hiking/backpacking in agricultural areas with possible runoff, the First Need is taken. Now I have other choices in the BWCA. butthead PS: Having a backup is a good idea. Another spare Saywer Mini is cheap and light, same for some chemical treatments. Boiling is also a possibility but time consuming and somewhat inconvenient. bh |
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boonie |
Thank you for reaching out to us. Our absolute micron filters will not remove the flavoring of any fully dissolved drink mixes. The filter will also not removing the coloring. |
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boonie |
Personally, I have no problem just drinking the plain filtered water, but some people say I have no taste. :) |
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Wick |
I put flavor in all water i drink, so i wondered, if i put crystal light or some other flavor in my water that i dip out of the lake into a sawyer bottle,,will the filter take out the flavor? Also curious if it filters out the color? |
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SevenofNine |
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butthead |
By the way the First Need did remove the flavor and color of the same Kool-Aid. butthead |