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06/08/2018 07:24AM |
1. “Samson Amsteel Blue rope 7/64 with visible tracer” 600 ft for $65
2. “Samson Amsteel Blue rope 7/64” 600 ft for $107
Why a $40 difference for what appears to be very similar products?
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04/11/2018 07:16AM |
Othello: "Wick: "Thanks for that link othello and bcelect
Thanks for explaining tracer magicpaddler
Since i have no rope and need it everywhere for tarp and tent and everything else, i figured i would just go ahead and buy the 7/64-600 ft roll. Free shipping, and came out to less then .13 per ft.
It’s on the way!
Think it is too small for painter line?"
Nice! This is great stuff, and works well for continuous loops, soft shackles, dog bones, utility constrictor ropes (UCRs), whoopee slings, etc. Lots of tutorials online (YouTube, etc.).
You will likely get some Samson documentation with your spool. Take a look at this. Note that amsteel is awesome for splicing, but as Dyneemaguy previously mentioned, it does not like knots. I doubt that you'd use anything close to the safe working limit of amsteel for tarps, tie-outs, or clothes lines, etc., but nevertheless, knots do derate its strength. I can't speak to how well amsteel holds knots, either, as I've never tried it. Amsteel absolutely works for painters (again, qualification for knots), and as a side benefit, it does float.tombo131: "Along this same topic, does anyone know of a company that makes hardware like the Dutchware Tarp Flyz but for larger diameter rope (like Amsteel 7/64 or 1/8)?"
Loopaliens, or similar, work with amsteel, I believe. A lot of Dutch's hardware is pretty specialized (and pretty awesome) for 1.75 dyneema and the like, and I haven't seen anything like it for larger cord."
Thank you for all that. I'm quite familiar with it - I have it on my Whoopie Slings, ridge lines and all my tie-outs now.
I love it.
I was just looking for an affordable source for more for my new tarps. And I like it for general use.
I did get a hundred feet and may buy a 600' roll and sell a few hundred foot sections to others around here.
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04/06/2018 09:09AM |
https://www.nautilusspearfishing.com
I've never ordered from them before.. so we'll see how this goes. But 18 cents per foot of 1.8mm dyneema is a good price.
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04/04/2018 08:20AM |
I got a nice supply a few years back but can't seem to locate the availability and price I'm familiar with.
Have you found a price competitive source?
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04/04/2018 03:58PM |
Dutch Ware amsteel
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04/04/2018 12:59PM |
http://www.amsteelblue.com/amsteel-blue-1-4-synthetic-rope-by-the-foot-7-700-lbs/
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04/04/2018 02:23PM |
MagicPaddler: "https://www.westmarine.com/buy/samson-rope--amsteel-blue-dyneema-as-78-single-braid--P014895700
http://www.amsteelblue.com/amsteel-blue-1-4-synthetic-rope-by-the-foot-7-700-lbs/
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I appreciate that. The second one doesn't stock any 7/64 or 1/8" which we would normally use and that first one is $.60 a foot!! Double the going price.
Thanks - I'll keep looking.
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04/04/2018 02:26PM |
Link for cord/line
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04/13/2018 05:56PM |
My dad was an organic chemist -- it rubbed off a bit :)
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04/13/2018 06:03PM |
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04/14/2018 04:29PM |
HighnDry: "More UHMWPE info on its breaking strength plotted against temperature.
That graph is a little off on the positive C side. Shouldn’t it be 20, 40?
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04/14/2018 05:14PM |
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04/09/2018 11:55PM |
Dyneemaguy: "HighnDry: "Interesting material. I never heard of this type of cord. Are the tensile strength characteristics greater than say 3mm reflective utility line such as one can buy as REI? I use this to hang my food barrel. I'm curious if perhaps this is a better product."
7/64" Amsteel is rated at 1600lb. "
Knots reduce it as much at 50%, whoopies about 10%.
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04/10/2018 05:30AM |
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04/09/2018 11:50PM |
HighnDry: "Interesting material. I never heard of this type of cord. Are the tensile strength characteristics greater than say 3mm reflective utility line such as one can buy as REI? I use this to hang my food barrel. I'm curious if perhaps this is a better product."
7/64" Amsteel is rated at 1600lb.
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04/10/2018 06:46AM |
Wick: "What is a “tracer” ? Is that a reflective thing?"
In rigging straps a tracer is a thread of a different color that will break first if the strap is overloaded. The broken tracer will stick out of the strap showing that the strap should not be used.
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04/10/2018 08:52AM |
Thanks for explaining tracer magicpaddler
Since i have no rope and need it everywhere for tarp and tent and everything else, i figured i would just go ahead and buy the 7/64-600 ft roll. Free shipping, and came out to less then .13 per ft.
It’s on the way!
Think it is too small for painter line?
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04/10/2018 09:11AM |
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04/10/2018 11:09AM |
Wick: "Thanks for that link othello and bcelect
Thanks for explaining tracer magicpaddler
Since i have no rope and need it everywhere for tarp and tent and everything else, i figured i would just go ahead and buy the 7/64-600 ft roll. Free shipping, and came out to less then .13 per ft.
It’s on the way!
Think it is too small for painter line?"
Nice! This is great stuff, and works well for continuous loops, soft shackles, dog bones, utility constrictor ropes (UCRs), whoopee slings, etc. Lots of tutorials online (YouTube, etc.).
You will likely get some Samson documentation with your spool. Take a look at this. Note that amsteel is awesome for splicing, but as Dyneemaguy previously mentioned, it does not like knots. I doubt that you'd use anything close to the safe working limit of amsteel for tarps, tie-outs, or clothes lines, etc., but nevertheless, knots do derate its strength. I can't speak to how well amsteel holds knots, either, as I've never tried it. Amsteel absolutely works for painters (again, qualification for knots), and as a side benefit, it does float.
tombo131: "Along this same topic, does anyone know of a company that makes hardware like the Dutchware Tarp Flyz but for larger diameter rope (like Amsteel 7/64 or 1/8)?"
Loopaliens, or similar, work with amsteel, I believe. A lot of Dutch's hardware is pretty specialized (and pretty awesome) for 1.75 dyneema and the like, and I haven't seen anything like it for larger cord.
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06/08/2018 11:02AM |
: "What’s the difference? I found these from the same company -
1. “Samson Amsteel Blue rope 7/64 with visible tracer” 600 ft for $65
2. “Samson Amsteel Blue rope 7/64” 600 ft for $107
Why a $40 difference for what appears to be very similar products?
"
The one with the tracer was a blem. I believe the tracer should be of same material and not reduce the strength. A lot of the blems were shipped out and asked to be returned, I understand some distributors decided just to sell it rather than ship it back.
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06/08/2018 08:10PM |
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06/08/2018 08:41PM |
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06/09/2018 07:45AM |
Then Amsteel Blue rope comes in different colors. Why is this? Or why is it called Amsteel Blue when it comes in red?
In posts I’ve of read of amsteel & dyneema being used interchangeably. What I gather is that amsteel is made from dyneema fibers. Then there are different grades or levels of fiber. Amsteel blue being made from SK75. Though AS78 is another option.
So is one grade of fiber advised over another?
Thanks in advance for the education
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06/09/2018 10:38AM |
The link for amsteel is below. Ive used it for multiple projects and am happy with the product and customer service.
https://ripstopbytheroll.com/collections/spliceable-cordage/products/amsteel
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06/09/2018 12:25PM |
That's about the size of it.
The original color is probably blue it does bleed color a bit, the other colors do also bleed, I have silver and haven't noticed much bleed off onto my hands.
It was Dutch of Dutchware dot com who let the hammock Forum community in on the Blem aspect. Dutch deals with Samson directly so He was probably privy to the lot of tracer blue.
It is called Amsteel Blue by Samson. You would have to ask them why they also have different colors called Amsteel Blue.
The only source which I can see with the visible tracer is LNF Marine and the way they listed it is "Made with Visible Tracer (Amsteel Blue typically has tracer hidden)".
They list the same strength as regular blue so I assume, (you know what happens when I assume), Samson is letting them sell it as such.
If you don't mind the tracer, it's a great deal at that price.
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06/09/2018 12:41PM |
Amsteel knots reduce strength by up to 50%.
Splices reduce strength by about 10%.
What are you planning to use it for Guest Paddler? Deal On Amsteel Blue
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06/09/2018 04:06PM |
I was going to use it for tarp rigging & and general use around camp.
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04/04/2018 07:49PM |
thebotanyguy: "DIY Gear Supply:
Link for cord/line
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I was aware of that one, too. 1/8" is out of stock.
I'm familiar with all the basic Google search results.
I'm trying to find out if anyone knows of a place that doesn't try to rob a person for simple Amsteel.
It's just too bad everyone has become so greedy.
Thanks.
I'm about to the point where I just might buy a large 500-600 foot roll and sell it at cost to others until I get my expense paid.
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04/05/2018 08:27AM |
This is for 25 feet and that includes shipping and tax.
$5.25 for the 25 feet of rope
$4 for shipping
How much am steel are you looking for?
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04/04/2018 07:47PM |
brotherbear: "dutch ware gear
Dutch Ware amsteel "
Right. That's where the shipping is 15 dollars. I already know that one.
I'm not gonna do it.
Thanks
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04/04/2018 07:49PM |
thebotanyguy: "DIY Gear Supply:
Link for cord/line
"
I was aware of that one, too. 1/8" is out of stock.
I'm familiar with all the basic Google search results.
I'm trying to find out if anyone knows of a place that doesn't try to rob a person for simple Amsteel.
It's just too bad everyone has become so greedy.
Thanks.
I'm about to the point where I just might buy a large 500-600 foot roll and sell it at cost to others until I get my expense paid.
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04/04/2018 08:09PM |
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04/05/2018 10:24AM |
MrBadExample: "When I look at Dutchware it comes to roughly 40 cents a foot.
This is for 25 feet and that includes shipping and tax.
$5.25 for the 25 feet of rope
$4 for shipping
How much am steel are you looking for?"
How are you getting $4 shipping? When I tried it I got the same $15 Karl is talking about.
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04/05/2018 10:41AM |
MrBadExample: "When I look at Dutchware it comes to roughly 40 cents a foot.
This is for 25 feet and that includes shipping and tax.
$5.25 for the 25 feet of rope
$4 for shipping
How much am steel are you looking for?"
Agree a minor technicality I see $7.25 for red 1/8"dia. x 25' piece and $4.25 shipping even if I go to 100' (i.e. 4-25' pieces of red 1/8") the total with shipping is $33.60 or $0.34/ft. The 600' spool comes out to $0.274/ft. Not much mark up to get a smaller piece. Personally, I do not think that is expensive for premium zero elongation super high tensile strength cordage.
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04/05/2018 11:36AM |
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04/05/2018 01:38PM |
MrBadExample: "When I look at Dutchware it comes to roughly 40 cents a foot.
This is for 25 feet and that includes shipping and tax.
$5.25 for the 25 feet of rope
$4 for shipping
How much am steel are you looking for?"
At least 100 feet. Just one ridge line for a tarp should be 50 feet.
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04/05/2018 02:47PM |
Just my thoughts.
Luckily, there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. :)
The cheapest I have ever purchased 7/16 amsteel was 29 cents a foot. That was with a coupon code from hammock forums a few years back.
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04/05/2018 01:41PM |
I use it for nearly everything in camp. I do believe I may invest in a large spool and sell some to "friends".
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04/05/2018 07:18PM |
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04/05/2018 07:47PM |
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04/05/2018 07:53PM |
7/16 amsteel would work for a bear bag I suppose. A bear could still chew thru it though. It would be a pretty classy bear rope though.
Amsteel really shines in the world of hammock suspension. Very strong, lightweight rope that you can splice with.
Zing it is basically miniature version of amsteel. Works great for tarp rigging and other general camp use. It’s tiny. Abrasion resistant. Doesn’t stretch. Weighs nothing and is strong.
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04/05/2018 08:12PM |
BTW, if you want a somewhat heavier line that is really easy on the hands look at a sailing store for line they recommend for sheets. Sheets are the ropes that are used to control the sails and good feel and control in the hand is highly important, along with low stretch.
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04/05/2018 08:33PM |
That's great. Thanks for the explanations. I'm off shopping :)
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04/05/2018 08:50PM |
My apologies.
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04/09/2018 03:01PM |
Here is the link to the 7/64, and they also do have 1/8:
Amsteel link
As an aside, Dutch is my go-to for small quantities, and I've never experienced crazy shipping costs.
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04/09/2018 04:46PM |
Amsteel deal
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04/09/2018 03:12PM |
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04/12/2018 10:04AM |
Harbor Freight sells replacement ATV winch rope made of UHMWPE. I’ve winched ATVs out of thick Florida swamps with it. Cheap and strong.
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04/12/2018 07:31PM |