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ducks	04/09/2018 07:46PM   I purchased an EE Revelation 10 degree quilt during their black Friday sale 2 years ago and will never go back to a sleeping bag. I sleep in a tent and it works great on a pad with the strap system. The coldest night time temp I've had was 20 degrees and it kept me toasty warm. The warmest night time temp I've had with it is the 50s and I didn't too warm. My kids loved it so much that we got them Hammock Gear Econ Quilts because they are cheaper. I will say that I like the strap system and think that the snaps on the EE work much better than than ones on the HG. At the time that I purchased the EE Revelation any sleeping bag that I could find that was the same temp rating and even within a few ounces of the same weight cost almost twice as much.
campnfish	04/09/2018 10:36PM   I do think quilts can be expensive, but for me i had a 20 year old bag that was bulky and heavy. Im almost afraid to say who i purchased from because i dont want to be called names, but alot of companies like wilderness logics have budget lines and the cost isnt that bad. I purchased onsale for under 150, and thats a down 20 degree quilt at 26oz, the pack size is much smaller then my old mummy bag. I am in a hammock so for me the choice was alot easier, however i would now use one on the ground as well, i just like not being so confined like i am in a bag. I will say i looked at EE and for me the price was to much as i just dont camp enough, hammock gear and loco libre also make budget quilts, i have no idea if UGQ do, ive never heard of them.
Goldenbadger	04/09/2018 08:42PM   Fixics does this every single time the topics of quilts comes up and someone mentions EE. He’ll make an a$$ out of himself and disappears, never chiming back in to back up his statements. I’m not sure why he has such a need to belittle anyone that chooses EE over his beloved UGQ. When I was on here extolling the virtues of EE, he did the same thing. He completely turned me off of UGQ in his efforts to praise them and criticize me. I explored UGQ’s website and it pales in comparison to EE’s. I could speak volumes as to why EE is an amazing company. I gladly spent my dunce money on an EE Convert. I’m thrilled with it. They stand behind their products and have outstanding customer service. I did my research and found EE appeared to be a better product with more options. Including over stuffing. A better product. A better company. I don’t think the EE customers are the dunces...
SourisMan	04/09/2018 09:12PM   As I snooped around the internet looking for information on quilts, I ran across an outfit that sells material and insulation for DIYers. They sell a quilt kit for $50. The options I'm intersted in brings it to about $70. If you can operate a benchtop thread injector (sewing machine), it might be a good option. I think I may ask my daughter to make a quilt using one of these kits. Quilt Kit
Jaywalker	04/10/2018 07:19AM   The vender linked to above, RbtR, also sells high quality 850 down in 3 oz packets. I've purchased a good deal of DIY supplies from them, and looked into making a top quilt to uses as an extra layer for my winter sleeping bag a few months back*. Like Keith0601 says it's pretty simple to sew. Laying out the baffles takes some time and care to keep straight, but other than that it's just sewing a rectangle. Lots and lots of really well done YouTube videos on how to do it step by step. * as temperature forecasts dropped, I ended up buying a warmer winter bag instead.
keth0601	04/10/2018 07:01AM   SourisMan: "As I snooped around the internet looking for information on quilts, I ran across an outfit that sells material and insulation for DIYers. They sell a quilt kit for $50. The options I'm intersted in brings it to about $70. If you can operate a benchtop thread injector (sewing machine), it might be a good option. I think I may ask my daughter to make a quilt using one of these kits. Quilt Kit " You can also get cheap down on places like amazon and ebay if you know what to look for. You can make a 20-40 degree down quilt pretty easily for less than $100. They're really very simple when it's all said and done.
SourisMan	04/07/2018 09:10PM   I'm intrigued. Is the fact that they're slightly lighter the attraction? Are there other advantages? BTW, I'm a Summer and Fall camper in the Boundary Waters.
bhouse46	04/07/2018 10:57PM   Not only lighter, but pack much smaller as well.
SourisMan	04/08/2018 07:11AM   Savage Voyageur: "I think you are talking about the one that hammockers use. It’s very hard to get into a sleeping bag in a hammock. So they make underquilts and overquilts. They have a foot box so they stay put on you feet in a hammock and then they act like any quilt. They are made out of synthetic or goose down. The reason they are so sought after is that you stay toasty warm with no cold spots. Pull over you and tuck the quilt in and you feet in the foot box keeps it in place. I suppose you could also use it in a tent too. " Actually no. I'm talking about quilts that are designed to be used with an inflatable, insulated mat. Small straps keep the quilt and mat together (somewhat). I guess they're popular with ultralight hikers, but I think some folks here use them. Quilt
SourisMan	04/08/2018 07:22AM   bwcasolo: "Savage Voyageur: "I think you are talking about the one that hammockers use. It’s very hard to get into a sleeping bag in a hammock. So they make underquilts and overquilts. They have a foot box so they stay put on you feet in a hammock and then they act like any quilt. They are made out of synthetic or goose down. The reason they are so sought after is that you stay toasty warm with no cold spots. Pull over you and tuck the quilt in and you feet in the foot box keeps it in place. I suppose you could also use it in a tent too. " i use my enlightened equipment revelation 20 degree tq in our tent, when i am not in the hammock. it came with straps that wrap around my neo air pad. top quilt " Have you used it in your tent in cool/cold weather? If yes, do you feel it's as warm as a 20 degree bag?
Fizics	04/08/2018 07:58AM   bhouse46: "Not only lighter, but pack much smaller as well." Watt????? Noooooo they don't ;)
Fizics	04/08/2018 08:02AM   bwcasolo: "Savage Voyageur: "I think you are talking about the one that hammockers use. It’s very hard to get into a sleeping bag in a hammock. So they make underquilts and overquilts. They have a foot box so they stay put on you feet in a hammock and then they act like any quilt. They are made out of synthetic or goose down. The reason they are so sought after is that you stay toasty warm with no cold spots. Pull over you and tuck the quilt in and you feet in the foot box keeps it in place. I suppose you could also use it in a tent too. " i use my enlightened equipment revelation 20 degree tq in our tent, when i am not in the hammock. it came with straps that wrap around my neo air pad. top quilt " And the only difference between UGQ and EE quilts is that EE charges $80-$100 more and dunces pay it happily cause they live in the same state as the person overcharging them :) oh and EE doesn't even let you pay to have them overstuffed. I bet my baffles stay fatter and loftier, longer :P
Savage Voyageur	04/07/2018 10:39PM   I think you are talking about the one that hammockers use. It’s very hard to get into a sleeping bag in a hammock. So they make underquilts and overquilts. They have a foot box so they stay put on you feet in a hammock and then they act like any quilt. They are made out of synthetic or goose down. The reason they are so sought after is that you stay toasty warm with no cold spots. Pull over you and tuck the quilt in and you feet in the foot box keeps it in place. I suppose you could also use it in a tent too.
Frenchy19	04/08/2018 08:05AM   I do not sleep in a hammock, and I use a quilt, and the quilts the OP referred to are designed for hanging. I do not like being zipped up in a bag as it is too restrictive. I move around a lot when I sleep and a quilt is simply more comfortable. Also, the bottom of a bag provides no insulation when compressed, so there is no need for a bag with insulation on the bottom. The lighter weight is a bonus, but for me, it is pretty much the comfort element.
OldFingers57	04/08/2018 10:18AM   I just use my sleeping bag as a quilt. As for lighter my sleeping bag is just as light as some of the quilts.
butthead	04/08/2018 10:33AM   SourisMan: "I'm intrigued. Is the fact that they're slightly lighter the attraction? Are there other advantages? BTW, I'm a Summer and Fall camper in the Boundary Waters." Me also. You are looking at a more customizable piece. Many manufacturers offer tons of options, I like getting something tailored to what I want. Lighter and smaller package than a sleeping bag, removing zippers, and hoods, offering specialized sizing does all that. My problem is a fondness for BA system attached pads on BA bags, allows me comfort on a 20 inch width, the quilts I have tried are not as secure (arms hanging out over the mattress). But as long as I use it in my solo tents it would not be as much a problem. In a hammock way less. butthead
bwcasolo	04/08/2018 05:24AM   Savage Voyageur: "I think you are talking about the one that hammockers use. It’s very hard to get into a sleeping bag in a hammock. So they make underquilts and overquilts. They have a foot box so they stay put on you feet in a hammock and then they act like any quilt. They are made out of synthetic or goose down. The reason they are so sought after is that you stay toasty warm with no cold spots. Pull over you and tuck the quilt in and you feet in the foot box keeps it in place. I suppose you could also use it in a tent too. " i use my enlightened equipment revelation 20 degree tq in our tent, when i am not in the hammock. it came with straps that wrap around my neo air pad. top quilt
bwcasolo	04/08/2018 07:32AM   yes, last fall, october at sawbill, i was in a big agnes tent, on my neo air, in my top quilt, with long john's, rainy, cool october weather, i was warm. as you know, in a bag, you compress the down beneath you. the tq holds your body heat in. the tq feels roomier to me. it works for me.
Banksiana	04/08/2018 11:36AM   Fizics: " And the only difference between UGQ and EE quilts is that EE charges $80-$100 more and dunces pay it happily cause they live in the same state as the person overcharging them :) oh and EE doesn't even let you pay to have them overstuffed. I bet my baffles stay fatter and loftier, longer :P" Fizics- The UGC quilts look great and are considerably cheaper. Thanks for the info. I unfortunately bought my quilt from Enlightened when they were just starting out and I didn't know any better in my unenlightened state. A note on communication and community: You'd be better served by simply stating that UGC quilts are every bit as good and cheaper; I'd still be a dunce for having purchased mine from Enlightened Equipment but you wouldn't come off as such a prick.
butthead	04/08/2018 01:17PM   Banksiana: "Fizics: " And the only difference between UGQ and EE quilts is that EE charges $80-$100 more and dunces pay it happily cause they live in the same state as the person overcharging them :) oh and EE doesn't even let you pay to have them overstuffed. I bet my baffles stay fatter and loftier, longer :P" Fizics- The UGC quilts look great and are considerably cheaper. Thanks for the info. I unfortunately bought my quilt from Enlightened when they were just starting out and I didn't know any better in my unenlightened state. A note on communication and community: You'd be better served by simply stating that UGC quilts are every bit as good and cheaper; I'd still be a dunce for having purchased mine from Enlightened Equipment but you wouldn't come off as such a prick. " I was going to mention the same thing, he is doing a huge disservice to customers shopping. I do research gear a bunch and EE has a wider selection of options that UGQ does not offer on the website. I am searching for a quilt, and because I'll use it in a tent wanting extra width not available from UGQ, EE does look more inviting as a source. If that makes me a "dunce" so be it I'll spend my money as I wish, hand me a pointy cap! Banksiana just stated something I wished to, thanks! butthead
bwcasolo	04/08/2018 06:03PM   i am an iowa dunce i guess, fizics, you need to dial it down a bit or find another site to rant on, thank you.
gymcoachdon	04/08/2018 06:58PM   Don't be afraid of looking at Hammock Gear quilts, they aren't just for hammocks. I would have no problem using my hammock quilt on a pad in a tent. easier to regulate your temp with a quilt: one leg out, both legs out, no problem with a quilt. I can't count the number of times I woke up tangled in my bag, not once with my quilt.
OldFingers57	04/08/2018 09:22PM   One of my coworkers has an EE quilt and loves it. His only gripe was that it took about 5 weeks to get it. So order early.
bhouse46	04/08/2018 06:01PM   ok, probably some newer sleeping bags out their smaller and lighter in packing, but I doubt there is much improvement over my 20 degree UGO. And while I use it in a hammock, I have used it on a pad taking a nap on the floor and get great coverage.
unshavenman	04/08/2018 06:22PM   Just to clarify things, the Enlightened Equipment top quilt that the OP linked to is a quilt that was originally designed for hammock camping, but like other quality cottage manufacturers of hammock quilts (Underground Quilts, Warbonnet, Hammock Gear) their top quilts can be ordered in different lengths/widths, and straps are provided to allow a ground dweller to affix the top quilt to the pad. EE quilts are top of the line quality (I have a 20 Revelation) but it's true that they are more expensive than some of the other manufacturers. Why, I cannot say. If you are looking for a high quality top quilt to try, look at the Hammock Gear Econ Quilts . I have a 20 degree Econ Incubator and a 40 degree Econ Burrow and both quilts are of excellent quality.
Banksiana	04/08/2018 10:47PM   Jaywalker: "So I'm curious: for those of you using a quilt in a tent, are you sleeping directly on your inflatable pads? Does that get at all sweaty/sticky?" I have a very lightweight egyptian cotton partial bag that slips over the mattress by my head with a closed sack for the feet. The bag, quilt and Aero pillow all fit into a small waterproof Sea to Summit compression sack- cinch down to the size of a cantaloupe.
OldFingers57	04/09/2018 05:57AM   Jaywalker: "So I'm curious: for those of you using a quilt in a tent, are you sleeping directly on your inflatable pads? Does that get at all sweaty/sticky?" Yes in the cooler months I have baselayers on so not in direct contact with the sleeping pad. In other months I use a sleeping bag liner I slip over the end of the sleeping pad and use as a bottom sheet. Got the idea from Cliff Jacobson who has a DIY one with polyester sheet on one side and merino wool on the other. Depending on the temperature is what side he has up.
MrBadExample	04/09/2018 07:35AM   SourisMan: "I'm intrigued. Is the fact that they're slightly lighter the attraction? Are there other advantages? BTW, I'm a Summer and Fall camper in the Boundary Waters." If you are in the market for a new sleeping bag I would consider a quilt. The cottage industry quilt makers abound. Many options. It’s simply a matter of preference. I find it easier to get in and out of a quilt. Also find them more comfortable. Prior to purchasing my quilt I was fine with my sleeping bags. Just wanted to upgrade to down and went the quilt option. It hasn’t changed my life or anything but I’m happy with it. Mr. B
MrBadExample	04/09/2018 07:49AM   Fizics: "bwcasolo: "Savage Voyageur: "I think you are talking about the one that hammockers use. It’s very hard to get into a sleeping bag in a hammock. So they make underquilts and overquilts. They have a foot box so they stay put on you feet in a hammock and then they act like any quilt. They are made out of synthetic or goose down. The reason they are so sought after is that you stay toasty warm with no cold spots. Pull over you and tuck the quilt in and you feet in the foot box keeps it in place. I suppose you could also use it in a tent too. " i use my enlightened equipment revelation 20 degree tq in our tent, when i am not in the hammock. it came with straps that wrap around my neo air pad. top quilt " And the only difference between UGQ and EE quilts is that EE charges $80-$100 more and dunces pay it happily cause they live in the same state as the person overcharging them :) oh and EE doesn't even let you pay to have them overstuffed. I bet my baffles stay fatter and loftier, longer :P" There ARE more differences than that. The main 1 being the design of the baffles. The EE has a unique layout for their baffles. If you’ve used a down bag/quilt for any amount of time you know that over time the down shifts around inside the baffles. This gives in inconsistent amount of insulation. Even over the course of 1 night the down can shift down to the sides and off of the top of you where you need it. The EE’s layout prevents this. This makes for extra labor when making the quilt. Extra labor means more $. But, I’m sure you already knew that. Do you’re research hombre. Makes you look like a dunce when you talk junk about something you know nothing about :)
Jaywalker	04/08/2018 10:30PM   So I'm curious: for those of you using a quilt in a tent, are you sleeping directly on your inflatable pads? Does that get at all sweaty/sticky?
bwcasolo	04/09/2018 05:34AM   Jaywalker: "So I'm curious: for those of you using a quilt in a tent, are you sleeping directly on your inflatable pads? Does that get at all sweaty/sticky?" for me no, i use my tent in may and october, i have a thin liner i use, breathable, also i am usually sleeping in long johns. the hammock comes out the rest of the year.
keth0601	04/09/2018 06:28AM   Fizics: "bwcasolo: "Savage Voyageur: "I think you are talking about the one that hammockers use. It’s very hard to get into a sleeping bag in a hammock. So they make underquilts and overquilts. They have a foot box so they stay put on you feet in a hammock and then they act like any quilt. They are made out of synthetic or goose down. The reason they are so sought after is that you stay toasty warm with no cold spots. Pull over you and tuck the quilt in and you feet in the foot box keeps it in place. I suppose you could also use it in a tent too. " i use my enlightened equipment revelation 20 degree tq in our tent, when i am not in the hammock. it came with straps that wrap around my neo air pad. top quilt " And the only difference between UGQ and EE quilts is that EE charges $80-$100 more and dunces pay it happily cause they live in the same state as the person overcharging them :) oh and EE doesn't even let you pay to have them overstuffed. I bet my baffles stay fatter and loftier, longer :P" I think Fizics is related to someone at UGQ... Every time this topic comes up he specifically singles out EE and UGQ even though there are clearly other quilt manufacturers out there at a similar quality and price range. EE does offer overstuff to my knowledge (I had it done on both of my quilts) and when I bought them they were quite a bit cheaper than pretty much anything else out there, but there's that whole supply and demand thing where demand has the strange consequence of raising the price..? There's usually a good reason for the demand though. :) I make my own quilts now but if I bought another one I'd probably still get an EE just because I've had nothing but good experiences with the product and the company. To answer the OP I switched to quilts as a ground dweller because in my opinion they're simply much more comfortable to sleep in. I toss and turn quite a bit and oddly enough find that a quilt works better for me as it tends to stay on top of me and I don't end up all twisted up in it like I did with mummy bags... They're also lighter as a general rule which is nice.
PortageKeeper	04/09/2018 09:04AM   I can't see going back to a bag after trying/using a EE quilt on my Neoair pad. I have broad shoulders and have always had a hard time finding a roomy sleeping bag that didn't gain a pound because of the width. Usually I'd have to leave the top of the bag zipped down all night or worry about the zipper ripping open while I'd toss around. I bought the EE Pad Cover that stays on the Neoair pad the whole trip. It only weighs 1.5 oz. for the regular sized pad and fits it perfectly. This would help stop a lot of 'claminess', though my trips are normally spring and fall where I am wearing long johns and tee shirt anyway. The EE quilts are so light that I approached EE about adding a quilt to their line that would have a full width foot box. They basically said that they would look into it. If the included straps are used correctly they do help keep the quilt in place.
brux	04/09/2018 04:26PM   I own EE and HG quilts and they are both excellent products. They are actually priced about the same; except for HG Econ line which are considerably cheaper. My understanding is that HG got an awesome deal on down and is passing on the savings to it’s clients through the Econ products. They will be gone when the stock runs out.
BnD	04/09/2018 11:18AM   Can't we all just agree this sh..... is really expensive for what it is. Yes, I own more than my share and question my sanity when I purchase more. This stuff is like cars, religion and politics. Everyone has a different opinion and experience.
butthead	04/09/2018 01:49PM   BnD: "Can't we all just agree this sh..... is really expensive for what it is. Yes, I own more than my share and question my sanity when I purchase more. This stuff is like cars, religion and politics. Everyone has a different opinion and experience." And all with one exception kept things civil. A lot of good advise has been posted, yes gear is/can be expensive and a very good reason for SourisMan's original post. butthead
MrBadExample	04/09/2018 12:49PM   I apologize for my rant. I don’t normally get ornery, but, that post WAS made prior to my morning coffee. :) Fizics..... Let’s try this again. Do you own an UGQ? If so, why don’t you tell us about what you like about it. No need to call people dunces. Even if they are 1 like myself ;)