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02/27/2014 06:24PM |
quote pamonster: " Snowpeak LightMax
So compact when folded down, so light all the time :) Runs great on low-high"
i just picked one up during that great sierra trading post deal...really looking forward to using it. the pot is going to be a lot more stable on the snow peak as opposed to my rocket.
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02/27/2014 06:56PM |
quote BearDown: "and I've heard it's too dangerous to do that with a canister."
an on canister stove, yes. an off canister stove like the windpro, no.
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02/27/2014 06:22PM |
quote mgraber: "quote OldGreyGoose: " "I'm not against a cannister stove, but think I would prefer a multi-fuel stand alone stove."
BearDown, did you have a separate tank-type stove before the canister? Just curious. I did, and now that I've switched to canister (about 5 years ago?) I would never go back. Just my 2 cents. --OGG"
++++++1!!! Neither would I.Canisters are quieter, less smelly, lighter,more reliable, cleaner burning, more adjustable,no pumping, and lights instantly.The only downside I can think of is fuel cost, and that is a tiny cost compared to everything else. My vote is for the msr wind pro 2. 6.6 ounces, inverted cannister capability for cold weather,wind screen and bottom reflector, holds 10 inch pans,and is wonderfully adjustable."
It's really a matter of personal preference. No right or wrong answer here. I went from a wind pro canister stove to the MSR whisperlight international. The cons of the canister in my mind is that it is hard to tell how much fuel you have in a canister, and thus I was always worried about running out. Plus I seemed to be collecting canisters that were 1/4 full because who wants to take a nearly empty tank on a trip. I prefer carrying liquid fuel so I can see how much I have and can carry an extra bottle.
Hard to argue with the ease of use and the simmering capabilities, but for me personally, that didn't outweigh the hassle of dealing with canisters.
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02/27/2014 08:30PM |
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02/27/2014 06:09PM |
quote OldGreyGoose: " "I'm not against a cannister stove, but think I would prefer a multi-fuel stand alone stove."
BearDown, did you have a separate tank-type stove before the canister? Just curious. I did, and now that I've switched to canister (about 5 years ago?) I would never go back. Just my 2 cents. --OGG"
++++++1!!! Neither would I.Canisters are quieter, less smelly, lighter,more reliable, cleaner burning, more adjustable,no pumping, and lights instantly.The only downside I can think of is fuel cost, and that is a tiny cost compared to everything else. My vote is for the msr wind pro 2. 6.6 ounces, inverted cannister capability for cold weather,wind screen and bottom reflector, holds 10 inch pans,and is wonderfully adjustable.
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02/27/2014 03:39PM |
Personally I prefer a canister stove over a liquid fuel stove. I have multiple stoves. Snowpeak Giga power, MSR Whisperlite, and MSR Windpro along with alky stoves. Also had a MSR Pocket Rocket but sold it off to get the Snowpeak. I use the Whisperlite during the winter or in really cold temps as it's a pain to prime and my wife hates it that she can't start it. So canister stoves are just easier to start and no mess with the liquid and you don't have to worry about leaks.
As to soft sided containers for fuel I don't know of any. MSR used to have a plastic fuel bottle and stopped make them as some had gotten to warm and melted/deformed thus not very safe.
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02/27/2014 05:00PM |
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02/27/2014 05:27PM |
quote maxxbhp: "Dragonfly is not the only stove, but it's pretty popular and there's probably a reason for that. I use one, like it a lot. I got some extra fuel bottles on Ebay a couple of years ago for a good price. I don't know of a soft container suitable for fuel but I've also never looked for one, maybe someone else knows. I also have a Pocket Rocket for backup and weekend floats, I like that little stove a lot, too. "
I'm a DragonFly guy also.... reliable, simmers and roars.
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02/27/2014 06:41PM |
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02/27/2014 08:20PM |
No problem with a 5 qt. pot on either, the Dragonfly 7 in. diameter pot support, or WindPro at 5 5/8ths diameter.
butthead
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02/27/2014 09:08PM |
Best stove ever
You can buy two for half the price of some of the fancy stove then bring a griddle and indulge.
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02/27/2014 07:03PM |
quote kanoes: "quote BearDown: "and I've heard it's too dangerous to do that with a canister."
an on canister stove, yes. an off canister stove like the windpro, no."
Agree totally. I like to bake with an Outback Oven and the Windpro is superb. The canister is about six inches away to the side and you can pop your windscreen between the stove and the canister.
The Superfly I have for backup is not good for oversize pots with the canister underneath the flame
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02/28/2014 06:08AM |
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02/28/2014 06:54AM |
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02/28/2014 07:55AM |
quote yellowcanoe: "For Joe Wilderness and maybe others:
My WindPro I is some seven years old. We do use it alot in salt air conditions and gradually the performance suffered. For twenty bucks the guys at MSR cleaned out all the corrosion. When the stove was not working to par, boiling water took a while and every two days we (party of two) needed a new canister.
So it came as a big surprise last week long trip when over seven days we used just under two canisters..maybe a canister and 2/3. We really did get 90 minutes out of a canister. We do not burn at full tilt; we seem to get more time out of a more moderate flame.
Probably get a II when this one corrodes again as it will. But the BWCA does not have salt air."
Yup, what you also get with an MSR stove is this fantastic and fast customer service.
EDIT: lots of Windpro votes here. Windpro seems to have highest customer reviews of any stove on the web. Not a liquid fuel stove..., but why go against the tide? That's why I got one for winter instead of just going to white gas.
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02/27/2014 11:01PM |
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02/28/2014 10:15AM |
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02/27/2014 09:42PM |
Back row from left-to-right: SnowPeak Litemax, Soto Windmaster, Coleman 533
Front row from left-to-right: MSR Windpro II, Primus Omnifuel with Quietstove cap, Primus Omnilite Ti with Quietstove cap
This picture, from left-to-right: MSR Windpro II, Primus OmniLite Ti, Primus Omnifuel.
I really like the Windpro II (but I have not used it yet). That said, the two Primus stoves are not much bigger. Both Primus stoves will burn canister fuel or white gas (vs. Dragonfly is just white gas, and Windpro II is just canister). Both Primus stoves simmer well (vs. the Whisperlite which apparently doesn't). Thing is, the Primus stoves just don't burn canister fuel as well as the Windpro II.
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02/27/2014 09:37PM |
quote yellowcanoe: "quote kanoes: "quote BearDown: "and I've heard it's too dangerous to do that with a canister."
an on canister stove, yes. an off canister stove like the windpro, no."
Agree totally. I like to bake with an Outback Oven and the Windpro is superb. The canister is about six inches away to the side and you can pop your windscreen between the stove and the canister.
The Superfly I have for backup is not good for oversize pots with the canister underneath the flame"
I always carry two stoves as I am always about paddling and exploring.
When it comes time to eat, I keep it simple and want it now. I carry the MSR PocketRocket and the MSR SuperFly. The PocketRocket is used mainly to boil water and I just love the Superfly's flame control for cooking. The WindPro II talked about above is on my wish list and will most likely replace the PocketRocket. Just not sure yet as it is
such a great stove for boiling water.
Most of my friends that have used multi-fuel stoves are moving away from them for reliability issues and the fact that they don't operate the same with different fuels. So, if you go liquid, pick one type and get a stove made that for specific fuel.
I too have gone the way of the canisters and they have worked well for me so far as a three season stove.
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02/28/2014 07:46AM |
My WindPro I is some seven years old. We do use it alot in salt air conditions and gradually the performance suffered. For twenty bucks the guys at MSR cleaned out all the corrosion. When the stove was not working to par, boiling water took a while and every two days we (party of two) needed a new canister.
So it came as a big surprise last week long trip when over seven days we used just under two canisters..maybe a canister and 2/3. We really did get 90 minutes out of a canister. We do not burn at full tilt; we seem to get more time out of a more moderate flame.
Probably get a II when this one corrodes again as it will. But the BWCA does not have salt air.
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03/01/2014 10:42AM |
quote kanoes: "quote pamonster: " Snowpeak LightMax
So compact when folded down, so light all the time :) Runs great on low-high"
i just picked one up during that great sierra trading post deal...really looking forward to using it. the pot is going to be a lot more stable on the snow peak as opposed to my rocket."
It had to be a deal before I pulled the trigger on this little stove too, can hardly justify spending $50+ to save 6oz when I already had a stove that worked great. But it's awesome. I love having fuel, lighter, spork, and stove all my titanium pot weighing basically nothing.....11.8oz!
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01/11/2018 07:43PM |
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01/12/2018 11:30AM |
I can say without hesitation that if I had to choose 1 stove for everything it would be the windpro 2.
IMO the ONLY redeeming quality of white gas is its use in very cold temps. The windpro will do anything a white gas stove will do better down to about 0 degrees in my experience. I have an XGK and have had a whisperlight and a dragonfly in the past. Seeing as how I only would ever use them for cold weather camping I got a stove specifically built for that purpose now (the XGK) and got rid of the others a while back.
It's heavier than a lot of cannisters stove options, but unless weight is extremely important on a trip it's still my preference because it also does so many things better than an upright cannisters (more stable, better in the wind, better burner for cooking real food).
In the end it probably comes down to your cooking and tripping style and what you like.
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06/20/2016 09:52AM |
Mine is 9 years old, so older style, cannot comment on the newer ones, quality wise. But they are similar in how they work, which is simply great. Fuel miser, good simmer or blast furnace, can hold big heavy pots if needed, fire up every time. Not the lighest quietest ones, but get the job done easily. My .02 on problems is you need to remember to change the fuel bottle gasket, any auto store can get you right size o rings, and be careful not to lose the burner plate, it can come loose after repeated hot/cold cyles.s
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06/20/2016 10:27AM |
Great tip! I tend to bend mine tight with needle nose pliers, and check them often. Dragonfly, XGK, Nova, Brunton AF, all need to be checked, the Primus is held in place with a spring.
butthead
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02/27/2014 01:28PM |
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02/27/2014 01:06PM |
ALso a few questions. I know you need a bottle to hook up to the stove, but can you carry extra fuel in anything that is soft sided? Is it easy to keep it presurized?
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02/27/2014 02:17PM |
old style WindPro
Personal preferences for me. The canister is simpler lighter. Liquid gas has never failed me and works much better below freezing, and cheaper. Both have large pot support and great flame adjustability.
One advantage of liquid fuel over canister is packability. More fuel per cubic storage space particularly on a long trip.
Most multi fuel stove owners I know pick a fuel type and never change. They are more expensive more complicated.
If I had to go multi
butthead
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06/18/2016 08:51PM |
quote FOG51: "Well I guess I'm in the minority, but I use a Coleman 533. Super dependable, will simmer down enough to use a jello mold to back in, fuel in available almost anywhere [included Canada], I always know how much fuel I have, I've cooked in a 3 gallon pot and it was stable. Not the lightest, but some good deals on E-Bay. FRED"
+1..my stove as well
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02/27/2014 01:48PM |
BearDown, did you have a separate tank-type stove before the canister? Just curious. I did, and now that I've switched to canister (about 5 years ago?) I would never go back. Just my 2 cents. --OGG
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02/27/2014 03:45PM |
there seems to be a turn tword mountain climbing stoves that are really made to melt large amounts of water.big roaring burners and made light weight for the climbers.i used a Peak for many years and have just gone to the cheap Gaz stoves from China just to see if and how they work,i take a small back up Coleman fuel stove.
when i took a Whisperlite on buddy trips as a extra stove to cook for three guys i kept the MRS bottles in zip locks in the center of the food pack without any hassle.we even took an extra bottle with the pump in it ready to go,buddy had a extra pump.
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02/27/2014 02:31PM |
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02/27/2014 05:11PM |
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02/27/2014 05:28PM |
So compact when folded down, so light all the time :) Runs great on low-high
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02/28/2014 08:38AM |
www.moontrail.com/stoves/primus_omnifuel.html
http://adventuresinstoving.blogspot.com/2011/03/stove-of-week-primus-omnifuel.html
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02/28/2014 09:28AM |
For what YOU say you are looking for, a Primus Multi might work for you (never tried it myself.
A DRAGONFLY will do exactly what you want, and I know that from experience. Stable enough that I use it to brew beer (3 gallons) at home. I've used it for groups of 2 to 20 in varied settings. It is also stable in less than ideal conditions.
FOR WHAT YOU WANT, I strong recommend staying away from the whisperlite... A fine stove, but not suited for what you asked for.
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02/28/2014 02:14PM |
quote TIMMY: "I'd strongly recommend checking out the Primus Omnifuel. It is similar to the MSR Dragonfly (which is a fine stove as well). But offer some advantages. For the same weight, you get a higher quality stove construction (my opinion), a metal and better engineered pump that will never break on you, and the ability to use liquid OR CANISTERS. That is huge in my opinion, as you can take liquid for longer trips, or for the winter, and take canisters for quick and easy NO PRIMING and NO SOOT cooking. With only buying one stove. It's on sale for $115 right now. You can use MSR fuel bottles with it. I have the Dragonfly and never use it after switching to the Omnifuel, and now I upgraded to the Omnilite (same as Omnifuel but lighter weight, a little more efficient burn). Also the Omnifuel is a little quieter, and I think it's even a little better at simmering. Only slight inconvenience is you have to switch the burner jet when you change fuel types (liquid, gas, kerosene) but they give you a tool and it takes about 1 minute. Cheers.
www.moontrail.com/stoves/primus_omnifuel.html
http://adventuresinstoving.blogspot.com/2011/03/stove-of-week-primus-omnifuel.html
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Yep, this is the best stove I've ever owned. I have two of them and a spare. :) :)
Later,
Geo
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02/28/2014 04:18PM |
Have not been disappointed yet.
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02/28/2014 05:13PM |
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06/21/2016 07:43AM |
And it matches the campsite dirt exactly in color, unfortunately. Once was saved by magnet attracting it, thought it was goner, ran magnet over likely area, pingg, found it. Would have needed fire rest of week, as had no back up.
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06/18/2016 09:58AM |
quote MagicPaddler: "For soft sided fuel container I use old pop bottles. I left fuel in one over the winter and saw no degradation. I fill the bottles almost full and squeeze most of the air out leaving space for expansion. They get packed where they will not get punctured. When empty they can be easily crushed to carry out. I have used this method for over 10 years with no problem.
I am looking at the OPTIMUS NOVA. "
Adventures In Stoving Nova interesting remarks on the Katadyn changes in materials.
I have an older Brunton Nova with CEJN fittings. Nice burner, packs smaller than a Dragonfly, as adjustable, bit less powerful, as noisy, as heavy. If you want new and Scandanavian build, Primus Omni Fuel is very similar and can use canister gas as fuel also.
butthead
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06/18/2016 02:16AM |
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06/18/2016 07:12AM |
I am looking at the OPTIMUS NOVA.
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06/18/2016 07:48AM |
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06/18/2016 06:27PM |
I sure there are lighter, more compact and efficient options out there, but for the price it's hard not to like.
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06/19/2016 10:43AM |
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06/21/2016 10:12AM |
CB
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06/21/2016 10:14AM |
quote boonie: "I love my JetBoil Sol!"
I was surprised while reading this thread that no one had mentioned JetBoil!
Would you recommend a minimo for solo use?
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06/23/2016 01:09PM |
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06/21/2016 08:12PM |
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06/21/2016 07:29PM |
quote GoSpursGo: "quote boonie: "I love my JetBoil Sol!"
I was surprised while reading this thread that no one had mentioned JetBoil!
Would you recommend a minimo for solo use?"
I am not familiar with the minimo, but it seems more designed for cooking (with simmering ability) vs. boiling water. So if you're going to actually cook meals vs. boiling water, it would probably be a better choice for you.
My JetBoil Sol, which is pretty much like the Flash, is strictly used as a water boiler to make coffee and rehydrate dehydrated meals in the bag. For boiling water it's simple, compact, fast, efficient, works well down to 20 degrees, and is more stable than most canister stoves. For comparison, it replaced a Coleman canister stove and an alcohol stove.
So it depends on how you want to use it. There are similar stoves from other makers to consider now as well.
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01/12/2018 09:30AM |
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01/11/2018 07:50PM |
Bowdier: "I love my Coleman 533..have several of the green suitcase Coleman's that I use if car camping.Did a trip herw in Florida for several days using the 533 on the Suwannee river..cooked breakfast and dinner 4 days..no problems..was thanking of outfitting myself for a trip for Florida to the BWCA and use the 533..just have to see about getting fuel"
Welcome aboard as your first day as a member.
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01/12/2018 07:09AM |
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01/14/2018 12:50PM |
I do still have my Coleman, but it's so heavy - the stove itself must weigh more than my JetBoil does with the pot, the stand, and a fuel canister. And it's bulkier and not as simple. I think you and are alike in being willing to carry a couple of ounces extra for the simplicity, ease, and quickness. My alcohol stove sees little use these days either.
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01/15/2018 08:10AM |
For fun we take 2 Coleman 533/peak 1 style if weight isn't a big deal.
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11/23/2017 06:34PM |
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11/23/2017 07:02PM |
quote mastertangler: "quote Scout64: "MSR Pocket Rocket - small works great. "
I own 2 Pocket Rockets and have used them for many years. A few drawbacks for doing anything other than boiling water.........The flame is concentrated in one spot. You must use a thick pan to diffuse the heat or you will burn your food. The other thing I despise about the stove is the rather small platform upon which to cook upon. If your not careful it would not be so hard to dump the contents on your foot or onto the ground. Not good! For that reason I much prefer wide bases and remote canister stoves which sit low to the ground. The pocket rocket is great for boiling water in a 16 oz stainless steel cup however and is more a backpacking stove than a canoeing stove IMO. "
You need to match the pot to the stove. A Pocketrocket has a small burner head to it so you need to use a tall and narrow vases pot on it as opposed to a wide based pot or a fry pan. For a larger burner head stove you need to use a wide based pot or pan as opposed to a narrow based pot. Using a narrow base pot on a larger burner head you’ll have the flame going up the sides.
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11/24/2017 06:45PM |
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11/24/2017 08:06PM |
The money spent on Coleman Camp fuel will easily offset the maintenance/parts cost.
butthead
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11/21/2017 05:35PM |
quote NotLight: "Non-Dragonfly ideas...
Back row from left-to-right: SnowPeak Litemax, Soto Windmaster, Coleman 533
Front row from left-to-right: MSR Windpro II, Primus Omnifuel with Quietstove cap, Primus Omnilite Ti with Quietstove cap
This picture, from left-to-right: MSR Windpro II, Primus OmniLite Ti, Primus Omnifuel.
I really like the Windpro II (but I have not used it yet). That said, the two Primus stoves are not much bigger. Both Primus stoves will burn canister fuel or white gas (vs. Dragonfly is just white gas, and Windpro II is just canister). Both Primus stoves simmer well (vs. the Whisperlite which apparently doesn't). Thing is, the Primus stoves just don't burn canister fuel as well as the Windpro II.
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11/21/2017 09:43PM |
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11/22/2017 07:07AM |
I have to get another one as I gave it away to another artist friend who had nothing and was going to Colorado. Fortunately they are also a better price than comparable MSR models. Made in Korea I believe.
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11/22/2017 07:15AM |
quote Scout64: "MSR Pocket Rocket - small works great. "
I own 2 Pocket Rockets and have used them for many years. A few drawbacks for doing anything other than boiling water.........The flame is concentrated in one spot. You must use a thick pan to diffuse the heat or you will burn your food. The other thing I despise about the stove is the rather small platform upon which to cook upon. If your not careful it would not be so hard to dump the contents on your foot or onto the ground. Not good! For that reason I much prefer wide bases and remote canister stoves which sit low to the ground. The pocket rocket is great for boiling water in a 16 oz stainless steel cup however and is more a backpacking stove than a canoeing stove IMO.
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11/22/2017 07:39AM |
Sorry if ya already posted a review and missed it.
T
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11/21/2017 10:35PM |
quote Moonpath: "Optimus Hiker. Quiet, reliable, and very tough. A little heavy but worth the carry. The only better stove is the Optimus 111B. JG"That's the old Optimus 8R. I remember when they were about $30. I still have my Svea (which I bought as an Optimus 88 with the aluminum pots).
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11/25/2017 03:33AM |
quote BearDown: "I use a el cheapo cannister stove, and its on my list of things to upgrade. (its a long list...) You all helped so much with picking out my MSR flex pots, I thought I would crowd source again. I want something decent sized but, I'm not looking for anything super lightweight. It being powerful to cook a good Lake Trout Chowder is important to me, as is it being stable enough to support a heavy chowder without worry. I'm not against a cannister stove, but think I would prefer a multi-fuel stand alone stove. So far I am thinking of a MSR Dragonfly "
The dragonfly is a good stove, but the pot stands does make the pot slide of to easy. You do not have to go for an expensive stove to get thet better, but the quality of an MSR, together with a good pot stand, and some kind of multifuel will soon be expensive. I have had my Optimus Nova for close to 20 years, and the newest wersion called Polaris Optifuel does even run on cannisters in addition to kerosen, coleman fuel or mix of those. It is a real multifuel, safe sturdy, not to heawy, but pretty expensive. If you calculate to have it at least for 10 years, maybe not to bad. (The Nova + is not easy to adjust, because the adjustment is made by turning the hose, avoid that!)
The last 2 years I have been useing more and more an Old Coleman Apex ii, because it is much more easy to fire up and I feel more comfortable with it. you may get one used in good shape for a fraction of the Optimus, but have to run it on coleman fuel (white gas)
quote BearDown:You may get plastic botles for white gas, easy to cary, but you have to use the original type of bottle when using the stove. You may keep the pressure in the botle when you have pumped it up and just pump a little more next time firing up. (this will cause a little spill of white gas when disconnecting, but it evaporates pretty fast, if you are using kerosene, it will be a mess)
"ALso a few questions. I know you need a bottle to hook up to the stove, but can you carry extra fuel in anything that is soft sided? Is it easy to keep it presurized?"