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Date/Time: 03/28/2024 06:05AM
Food Storage Order - Effect July 30th 2021

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TrekScouter 09/04/2021 05:04PM
GeneH: "Honest question: unless doing a single carry, how would a solo canoeist not leave their food pack sitting on a portage? Use a large canister, remove it from the carry harness, then reharness it, and so forth at every portage?"
I'm a soloist. If I were on a long portage in a remote area where bear activity has recently been reported, I would not hesitate to remove the food from my pack and place my BearVault in a low area, or tie my Ursack to a tree. I'd rather have some peace of mind and enjoy the portage trail than be concerned about Ursus americanus making off with my pack. On the other hand, if it were a short portage with other paddlers likely to pass while I'm away, the decision would probably be different.


Consider that some portages are as short as ten rods. I think the "unless...being transported" clause allows one to exercise some common sense and good judgement.
Richwon4 09/04/2021 04:27PM
Due to entry closure my kids and I recently did a trip to VNP. I'll tell you...the bear boxes sure spoiled us. What are the chances we get those in the BWCA?
Jaywalker 09/04/2021 03:31PM
GeneH: "Honest question: unless doing a single carry, how would a solo canoeist not leave their food pack sitting on a portage? Use a large canister, remove it from the carry harness, then reharness it, and so forth at every portage?"
I travel solo. Back when I used a food pack and hung it at night, on portages I would often clip it to my canoe with a carabiner while i carried other gear across. I figured if a bear wanted to do a grab and run, it would be that much harder. I saw the portage issue as one reason why I switched to a blue barrel. While not as reliable as a true bear canister, they are a lot better than a food pack laying on the ground.
HighnDry 09/04/2021 02:21PM
There are some portages in the BWCA such as the four leading out of SAK and into Kek where leaving one's food pack was a problem due to nuisance bears. There are many portages in the park where this is less of an issue. As a soloist, I've had to leave the pack/barrel with my boat while I went back for the portage pack. I think the key for me was to do the research as to where nuisance bears were a problem and then be especially vigilant on those portages or plan a route that avoided those areas.
GeneH 09/04/2021 12:51PM
Honest question: unless doing a single carry, how would a solo canoeist not leave their food pack sitting on a portage? Use a large canister, remove it from the carry harness, then reharness it, and so forth at every portage?
TrekScouter 09/04/2021 07:59AM
TrekScouter: "boonie: "adam: "TrekScouter: "I hope this is a temporary situation. I bought my Ursack / Opsack system to avoid the hanging monkey-business."
I don't know that the Superior National Forest allows Ursacks as an approved bear container?
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They told me that neither Ursacks nor the blue plastic barrels are considered bear-resistant containers under the Food Storage Order 09-09-21-09.
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I'm not surprised. That's why I'm hoping this is temporary."



Looks like I got my wish!
Food Storage Order Amended
mutz 08/10/2021 11:34AM
eyepaddle: "I have always done the Cliff Jacobson "stash in the woods" method for our food packs. Everything is sealed and double bagged and stashed in the woods away from camp. I've done this on every trip for the past 15+ years and never had a bear issue. Obviously I disagree with the new storage orders....frustrating that careless newbies have forced this on all of us. I certainly hope it isn't permanent."




Unfortunately this cannot be blamed on careless newbies. I have 40+ Trips Since the mid 80’s and have asked dozens of people how they stash their food. People have been haphazardly stashing food as long as people have been going to the BWCA. Over the years I’ve talked to people who hang food, only take bear resistant containers, hide the food pack in the woods and just leave it in camp. This is definitely not a new problem, just finally being seriously dealt with.
eyepaddle 08/10/2021 10:03AM
I have always done the Cliff Jacobson "stash in the woods" method for our food packs. Everything is sealed and double bagged and stashed in the woods away from camp. I've done this on every trip for the past 15+ years and never had a bear issue. Obviously I disagree with the new storage orders....frustrating that careless newbies have forced this on all of us. I certainly hope it isn't permanent.
Hammertime 08/08/2021 10:58PM
My biggest question on this is how the rangers would enforce it.


Unless the rangers happen upon your camp in the morning while you’re still sleeping or you’re out fishing with it left on the ground unattended you always have plausible deniability regarding whether you are actively using your food pack.


Stay safe out there everyone. A pulley and a couple ropes are cheap relative to the total cost of a trip.
cycle003 08/06/2021 07:59PM
bottomtothetap: "cycle003: "Leaving a food pack sitting on a portage would be a violation of the order."



The order does state: "unless...being transported". If the sole purpose of a portage is to get you and your belongings from one lake to another, could it be argued that your food container on a portage means that the food is in transport? "



Maybe. I suppose my interpretation could be wrong, but I doubt anyone in the Forest Service will tell you it’s ok to leave a food pack unattended on a portage.
boonie 08/06/2021 01:50PM
I'm also hoping it doesn't continue next year, TrekScouter.


Not leaving the food unattended or staggering people will be awkward is certainly not a solution for solos.
zackcwilliams 08/06/2021 09:25AM
I did call the Ranger Station in Grand Marais for more details. They didn't think it was necessary to hang at portages, but that we should try not to leave the food unattended. They recommended staggering people every 5 min to have someone near the packs.
TrekScouter 08/06/2021 09:04AM
boonie: "adam: "TrekScouter: "I hope this is a temporary situation. I bought my Ursack / Opsack system to avoid the hanging monkey-business."
I don't know that the Superior National Forest allows Ursacks as an approved bear container?
"
They told me that neither Ursacks nor the blue plastic barrels are considered bear-resistant containers under the Food Storage Order 09-09-21-09.
"

I'm not surprised. That's why I'm hoping this is temporary.
boonie 08/06/2021 09:00AM
adam: "TrekScouter: "I hope this is a temporary situation. I bought my Ursack / Opsack system to avoid the hanging monkey-business."



I don't know that the Superior National Forest allows Ursacks as an approved bear container?



"



They told me that neither Ursacks nor the blue plastic barrels are considered bear-resistant containers under the Food Storage Order 09-09-21-09.
adam 08/06/2021 08:26AM
TrekScouter: "I hope this is a temporary situation. I bought my Ursack / Opsack system to avoid the hanging monkey-business."


I don't know that the Superior National Forest allows Ursacks as an approved bear container?


andym 08/05/2021 11:13PM
One double portaging trip that has been mentioned before is leaving the food pack somewhat up the trail from the portage end. This is to avoid bears that are watching portage ends. Not sure if this is much of a problem, although I know it has happened, or if it is an effective solution.
TrekScouter 08/05/2021 09:54PM
I hope this is a temporary situation. I bought my Ursack / Opsack system to avoid the hanging monkey-business.
bottomtothetap 08/05/2021 05:25PM
cycle003: "Leaving a food pack sitting on a portage would be a violation of the order."


The order does state: "unless...being transported". If the sole purpose of a portage is to get you and your belongings from one lake to another, could it be argued that your food container on a portage means that the food is in transport?
rbcevergreen 08/05/2021 01:11PM
I've travelled with heavy-weight, food-grade 5 gallon buckets with gamma seals when tripping in the BWCA. Always double bag (freezer ziplock) food inside the buckets, too. Never had a problem before (only been in 3 times), but as the buckets don't qualify as "bear resistant", guess I'll be figuring out how to hoist them up for this trip. Not going to worry about it on the portages, though.
cycle003 08/05/2021 12:31PM
Leaving a food pack sitting on a portage would be a violation of the order.
ScottL 08/05/2021 11:17AM
zackcwilliams: "Does this mean at portages too? If we're double portaging, do we need to leave someone with the packs or hang them until we return?"


On my next trip when we're double portaging I'm going to let my trip mates know that I'll have to stay with the food pack after the first trip and I'll assure them that I will faithfully guard it while they go back and carry the rest of the gear!
IBFLY 08/05/2021 11:16AM
You might consider leaving someone with the packs/food if double portaging. Bears have made off with food packs from unattended packs at the end of portages.
Ausable 08/05/2021 10:43AM
zackcwilliams: "Does this mean at portages too? If we're double portaging, do we need to leave someone with the packs or hang them until we return?"
I seriously doubt that you would need to do either. However, I suggest that you call one of the ranger stations if you want a definitive answer.
zackcwilliams 08/05/2021 09:08AM
Does this mean at portages too? If we're double portaging, do we need to leave someone with the packs or hang them until we return?
Ausable 08/05/2021 08:39AM
Bobsandberg82: "What about food prep items such as pots, pans, utensils, cutting boards etc.? Ive wondered about this before the order. I hang my whole food pack with all related items and its just so heavy. I have not damaged any trees in the process just curious what others do."
I do not think it is necessary to haul your pots and pans, etc. into the trees. If they are clean, they are not an attractant.
adam 08/05/2021 05:42AM
Richwon4: "Seeing is how bears are omnivores and quite opportunists it would seem logical that people out to be hanging their bat as well...how many of you do that?
"



I believe bait is considered an attractant so that is likely the case.
Richwon4 08/05/2021 04:03AM
Seeing is how bears are omnivores and quite opportunists it would seem logical that people out to be hanging their bat as well...how many of you do that?
drmau1 08/05/2021 12:34AM
All excellent advice that should have been all along. Maybe if people would have done this there would not be a problem with bears.
Bobsandberg82 08/04/2021 08:14PM
What about food prep items such as pots, pans, utensils, cutting boards etc.? Ive wondered about this before the order. I hang my whole food pack with all related items and its just so heavy. I have not damaged any trees in the process just curious what others do.
yogi59weedr 08/04/2021 08:03PM
Sounds pretty straight forward to me.
adam 08/04/2021 07:09PM
The food storage order, effective July 30, 2021, requires all visitors to properly store food unless in the process of eating, preparing or transporting food (i.e. bringing fish caught in a nearby lake to a campsite or carrying food down to the beach for a picnic). Proper storage reduces the chance of bears being rewarded when in campsites, trails, portages, landings or other recreational areas. Proper food storage can be done in two ways: bear canisters or by hanging food packs 12 feet above the ground.

“Acceptably stored” means:
• Stored in bear resistant container or;
• Stored in a closed vehicle constructed of solid, nonpliable material or;
• Suspended at least ten feet clear of the ground at all points and four feet horizontally from any supporting limb or pole; or
• Disposed of in provided trash receptacles.

“Bear resistant container” means a securable container constructed of solid non-pliable material capable of withstanding 200 foot-pounds of energy (using the approved bear resistant container impact testing machine). When secured and under stress the container will not have any cracks, openings, or hinges that would allow a bear to gain entry by biting or pulling with its claws. Wood containers are not considered bear resistant unless they are reinforced with metal.

“Food” means any nourishing substance, solid or liquid (excluding baled hay or water) or refuse thereof, that is not native to the immediate area, which is or may be eaten or otherwise taken into the body to sustain life, provide energy, or promote growth of any person or animal.

“Refuse” means food waste or any containers to include packaging materials of plastic, foil, cloth, and metal, that have contained food, as defined above, or other attractants, as defined below.

“Other Attractant” means an odoriferous item capable of attracting bears and other wildlife (e.g. toothpaste, deodorant, lotion, sunscreen, fishing bait, insect repellent, perfumes, and cooking spray).

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