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That Guy
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01/25/2010 03:59PM  
I'm sure we have had discussions like this before, but it never hurts to get the brain flowing again. Thought it would be both fun and informative for people to share their own personal tricks and tips while visiting the BW/Quetico. Tips, Tricks or Tools could be a number of things from suggestions to make something easier, a tool that was home made to save space, something you've found to have multiple uses, a time or effort saving tactic. Something fun to get us thinking and exchanging info. Examples could be:
Tyvek for ground cloths.
Tennis ball for a stick to use as a tarp poll.
Basketball net as an anchor/cooler.
5 gallon bucket as seat/anchor/drift sock.
Being on the water by ?? and off by 2:00 to secure a site.
A stove you made to save weight and space.
How about your favorite knife or piece of gear?

What makes your trip easier and or more enjoyable?
Sky is the limit.
 
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01/25/2010 04:24PM  



We lash in poles and extra paddle with Bungee Dele Bobs and they keep everything in the canoe so we can Single Portage.


Bungee Dele Bobs by Old Scout
 
01/25/2010 04:44PM  
Make sure you leg is broken so your not asked to carry much on the portages.
 
01/25/2010 04:47PM  
No matter how hard it's raining, don't crap in your own tent's vestibule.
 
01/25/2010 06:00PM  
Crown Royal Bags.
I love em to put stuff in with the drawstring and all. Soft and Adds a little color to my pack (Purple)

However...Butthead is right on with the Bungee Deely Bobs, I bought 48 of them for three canoes and wouldn't leave home without em.
SunCatcher
 
01/25/2010 06:02PM  
Sorry butthead it was fishguts who recommended the dealy bobs!! brain fart I guess?
 
01/25/2010 06:12PM  
everytime i think about what makes any trip better for me i always come back to the same answer....a light weight camp stool. not a three legger either, those should be illegal. :)
 
01/25/2010 06:28PM  
CCS tarp. Nothing better than a tarp on a snowy or rainy day!! Group can hang out, cook, etc. without being cooped up in your tent.
 
01/25/2010 06:40PM  
I have to agree with Jan, gotta have something to sit on other than the ground.
 
01/25/2010 06:47PM  
A portage-girl to carry my gear and set up my tent.
 
01/25/2010 08:13PM  
The single portage
10 foot Sein
Gerber Axe
 
01/25/2010 08:50PM  
SunCatcher, have you been emptying one of those 'Crown Royal' bags?
BDB's, good idea!

"What makes your trip easier and or more enjoyable?
Sky is the limit." For me it's just being out there.

butthead
 
01/25/2010 09:00PM  
Yes butthead and the key is to purchase multiple size Crown bottles and then you end up with multiple size Crown bags. ain't life great!
SunCatcher
 
01/25/2010 09:15PM  
Yes it is!

butthead
 
01/25/2010 09:15PM  
Yes it is!

butthead
 
wetcanoedog
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01/25/2010 11:39PM  
a tube of fire paste..cuts all the fire making hassles to zero.
 
01/25/2010 11:58PM  
mesh bag for drying clean dishes - keeps them out of the dirt.
 
tremolo
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01/26/2010 12:21AM  
What is fire paste? I want that.

I always pack a frisbee-- works as a holding place for random things in your tent, like your head light, so it is easy to find when you get up to pee in the middle of the night. You can sit on it when the ground is damp. You can eat out of it. Whack mosquitoes with it. You fan the flames with it. And you toss it. I use it to as a paint palette too.
 
01/26/2010 06:47AM  
Tremolo, fire paste is like toothpaste, but you smear it on kindling, light it, and it burns a long time...a great fire starter. Some people use it to preheat a stove, rather than leaking some gas onto the burn pan.
I carry a zip open shaving kit bag for all the small items that I have in my daypack. A gravity-feed water filter to hang in camp. A 4' x 4' heavy plastic sheet to wash dishes--can stack them on it to dry, too. Always have a stool along for old bones.
 
brerud
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01/26/2010 07:20AM  
1.The best raingear you can afford - the tarp doesn't matter as much when you can sit in the rain around a fire or in the canoe and still be dry.
2. Leaving all of the non-essentials at home so you can spend more time just soaking in the experience.
3. Single portaging
4. Tyvek - or old cheap (lightweight) shower curtains for floor savers and tent liners
5. fishbaskets - keeps fish alive until you are ready to eat, turtles and otters can't get them overnight.
6. Securing empty 2 quart juice containers under the seats of the canoe with duct tape - so we can use them for water, juice, etc. in camp and they don't take up valuable space in packs.
 
01/26/2010 07:27AM  
Paracord. Worth its weight in gold.
 
SevenofNine
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01/26/2010 08:41AM  
Some tricks:

I find fire starter blocks (wood shavings and wax) to be far better than fire paste as they last longer. You can cut them up to spread them out or to make them last longer.

Use the camp fire you have to dry out wood on top of the grate. Since the vast majority of wood in the BWCA is generally wet wood like Birch and Pine this helps keep the fire going easier. This also makes next day's fire easier.

I use the small metal binder clips in place of clothes pins since they are smaller to store.

Single portaging makes a journey easier. I have modified a external frame pack to have U shaped uprights that the yoke of a canoe fits into similar to a Knupac. I really feel sorry for people that bring so much stuff that they double portage. I think they are missing the point.

A gravity water filter makes life a lot easier when in camp. A small amount of weight/space added to your load but I don't go up north without one.

 
01/26/2010 09:29AM  
"I really feel sorry for people that bring so much stuff that they double portage. I think they are missing the point."

and just what point might that be?
 
redwood
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01/26/2010 10:09AM  
I wrap some duct tape around my nalgene bottle, saves room,weight and you never know when it'll come in handy
 
01/26/2010 11:32AM  
I'm a big fan of the Purple Bags as well. But when everything is in purple bags, how do you remember what is in which bag? Easy! Spoil yourself with some Special Reserve and get a Gold Bag. "I had to get it honey, I getting ready for next year's trip :)

I keep hearing about the Dele-Bobs but have not tried them yet. Looks like I just figured out what the next item is I need to cross off on my "wish-list"
 
01/26/2010 11:33AM  
quote BigZig: "mesh bag for drying clean dishes - keeps them out of the dirt."


One small pot with lid, one small frying pan, one spoon. Utter simplicity.
 
01/26/2010 11:37AM  
Double portaging. I missed the point. But I live to tell about it.
 
SevenofNine
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01/26/2010 11:56AM  
Simplicity was the point I was trying to make. If you bring everything but the kitchen sink perhaps you are bringing too much. But hey, I guess we need people out there double portaging so I can pass them on the trail.
 
bapabear
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01/26/2010 12:44PM  
Double portager here so I'm missing the point but having a hell of a lot of fun anyway. Since I'll be 60 this year I see no need to rush anything while in the outdoors. I'm still working on the perfect camp chair while trying to cut down the weight of my pack.

I'm not going to mention anything profound about tricks, tools, etc. but my tip would be to absolutely stress common sense safety for yourself and your group. Things like steady the canoe for each other while getting in and out can save a lot of spills and scrapes or worse. Lift with legs and straight back. Wearing your PFD and realizing the danger of wind on a big lake are among little things can make or break a trip so keep them in mind.

Gotta mention I finally picked up some Bungee Dealee Bobs so I feel up to speed in that regard
 
01/26/2010 12:53PM  
Sorry, Koda. There are two of us, I draw the line at sharing one spoon. :-) ;-)

Simplicity is all very fine. There are only two of us to carry, we usually go out for 10-12 days, and we do not take everything but the kitchen sink. (I do, however, take a lot of camera gear and that is about to become more, not less.) We double portage, and I don't care how many people pass us on the trail, so just enjoy that passage, SevenofNine. It never bothers me one bit. If I'm missing the point, I have been happily missing it for 39 years and hope to continue doing so for a few more. :-)
 
01/26/2010 01:01PM  
I kind of like double portaging. The walk back with no gear is usually quite nice. Maybe I'll try single portaging someday; but with my next trip including two kids, I doubt it will be anytime soon. Unless we all decide to trip naked.

I will have to get a mesh bag...great tip. I do freezer bag cooking and have very few dishes, but still that looks great. Wish I liked whiskey to get me some of those purple bags. ;-) And the fire paste is definitely going along next time...more to so preheat the white gas stove than to start the fire, but I'm not using our stove again without preheating. Last time we nearly set the Tyvek tarp on fire. It says right on it to keep it away from flames and we had it set at a low angle. Oops.

And a second (or third or eighth) on the Bungee Dealie Bobs...they rock!
 
01/26/2010 01:03PM  
The point is to enjoy your trip, and if your not enjoying it my way you shouldn't be allowed, along with all items and activities I don't enjoy.

Seriously the point is to enjoy yourself and there is no one way or correct way to do it.

Like Bigzig I hang dry all the dishes and utensils it keeps them up and out of the dirt and it's impossible to misplace them. I Hang the TP bag also, It's easy to find and if it's not there the thunderbox is occupied.
 
01/26/2010 01:07PM  
I really, really like freezer bag cooking. It does take work to set it up ahead of time, but I know exactly what's in my meals and I can get the portion sizes just right. There are tons of recipes at the FBC/trail cooking website, and I also have the FBC cookbook. Believe me, we ate well! It really cuts down on weight and bulk of the food. Last trip I also brought along ingredients for a campfire pizza. It was more difficult to get the proper portions and we ended up packing out extra food. But the best part is that the in-camp work is so minimal, I get to spend a lot more time just enjoying the outdoors rather than slaving over a stove or fire.

Freezer Bag Cooking website
 
quetico1
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01/26/2010 01:16PM  
Hey Kanoes, which stype of chair do you take?
 
tremolo
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01/26/2010 01:23PM  
This is a great thread for planning next trip. It is very helpful when people put in links like Nojobro did for the freezer bag website. I am really not up to speed on many of the items I hear lauded. Example--crown bags, crown bottles, ten foot Sein. And why are purple bags so special? Okay, I do google a lot of stuff, and will continue.

Kevlar-- Thanks.

7of9-- My daughter and I were not strong enough to single portage and we probably will never be strong enough to single portage except for day trips, but there is no need to feel sorry for us.
 
01/26/2010 02:16PM  
Borrowed from Cliffy, who no doubt got it from someone else. Use a 2 foot section of clear 1/2" hose (about $.25) to jump start a fire. Much better than sticking your face into the fire grate or fanning the ashes all over camp.
 
01/26/2010 02:25PM  
I agree with everyone who insists on having a good time.

Spartan2, the two spoons comment made me laugh. Reminded me of the time my younger brother and I were camped on an island in the Wisconsin River and discovered we (or rather I) had forgotten utensils. He had two little pocket knives and we found a clamshell, which we scraped and cleaned and it worked great. He enjoys reminding me how he saved the trip.

My preference is to double portage, since the unloaded trip enables me to see the surroundings.

Bungee Dealie Bobs are easy to make. Mine are non-elastic and hold securely.
 
01/26/2010 03:11PM  
Knoozer, that little blow tube fire starter is a great thing to have. A friend brought one last year, commercially made with a cute little lip bead and short metal piece to put in the fire. I'm sure that homemade would work fine, too. It really worked. It may be the only new piece of gear I acquire this season.
 
01/26/2010 03:53PM  
Cotton balls mixed with vaseline & sawdust. We keep it in a ziplocked bag. You do not need much and it makes a great fire starter.
 
SouthernExposure
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01/26/2010 04:18PM  
For firestarters, I make up a bunch of the kind made from dryer lint and candle wax. Drip the candle wax into a golfball size wad of dryer lint until saturated, then form it into the shape of a big raindrop. The thin end being the part that you light. They are clean, dry and waterproof.

I have used the bill on a big deep-diving crankbait as an eating utensil once. Lunch found us way away from basecamp and eating something out of a can with my fingers violated my delicate sensibilities.

SE
 
mc2mens
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01/26/2010 04:18PM  
"I really feel sorry for people that bring so much stuff that they double portage. I think they are missing the point." - SevenofNine

One of the things I bring with me that causes me to double portage is my 9 year old son. Unfortunately, the little bugger is not able to carry enough "stuff" on his little back to allow us to single portage. Maybe I outta keep him at home, but the "point" is to introduce him to the wilderness and prepare him to enjoy paddling, camping and tripping so that someday he can do his own tripping or allow me to tag along with him when I'm an old man.

We enjoy our double portages - and that is the "point" for us - to enjoy ourselves.

So - you go ahead and pass us up on the portage trail. We'll say "hi" and wish you a good day. Meanwhile, we'll be having the time of our lives. And, if you're paying attention, you'll see that.


 
onepaddlejunkie
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01/26/2010 04:32PM  
I really like the sling chair listed below and they are on SALE right now! I have two of them and I'm thinking of buy another or two at that price.

http://www.crazycreek.com/product/1/66/
 
01/26/2010 05:12PM  
Before we all jump on SevenofNine let's welcome him to the board. Welcome aboard SevenofNine. May your forest flourish. We really are a pretty good group here.
 
01/26/2010 05:14PM  
Good raingear and a good tarp,
don't leave home without them
 
01/26/2010 05:16PM  
well said mc2mens!

Bungee dealie bobs...one of the best inventions ever!
 
01/26/2010 05:19PM  
Here! Here! to BDB's.

I enjoy portaging and the walks back and forth. My kid and I have some of our best talks along the way.
 
01/26/2010 06:01PM  
quote Knoozer: "Borrowed from Cliffy, who no doubt got it from someone else. Use a 2 foot section of clear 1/2" hose (about $.25) to jump start a fire. Much better than sticking your face into the fire grate or fanning the ashes all over camp."


Too short/too big- I prefer about 2.5-3feet of aquarium tubing.
And, BDB's really are genius.
 
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01/26/2010 06:02PM  
quote kanoes: "everytime i think about what makes any trip better for me i always come back to the same answer....a light weight camp stool. not a three legger either, those should be illegal. :)"

what's negative about 3 legged stools? Is it cuz they dig-in after while?
 
mc2mens
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01/26/2010 06:20PM  
You are right Unas10 - where are my manners (got rid of the "dude" reference). Welcome aboard SevenofNine.
 
01/26/2010 06:33PM  
Carpenter's Apron tied around a tree - put your untensils in that. Out of the way and they won't blow away. Cost is less than a buck at Menard's. And weighs practically nothing.
 
Mad_Angler
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01/26/2010 09:10PM  
I've got many tips and tricks. I've learned nearly all of them on this foruum.

For example, here is a similar thread with lots of great ideas:
Little things that make a Big difference

Here are a few of my tips:
- leather gloves for cooking and messing with the fire
- screen house without the poles for those bad bug evenings
- Bungie dealie bobs
- Take a depth finder and you'll catch more fish
- CCS stuff is great
- Fires are a lot easier with a sven saw and a small Gerber/Fiskars hatchet
- Comfortable life jackets aren't much money and make the trip much more pleasant
- SR canoes can handle really big waves even with beginning paddlers
...


 
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01/26/2010 09:19PM  
SevenofNine, welcome. I think you'll find the people here not to be the kind who bring everything but the kitchen sink.

Tip: My dad taught me to always have a spare key hidden and well-secured on the truck - accessible from the outside (under the bumber, behind the license plate, etc.) This is a great time-saver in the BW/Q or anywhere...if the keys get locked inside.
 
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01/26/2010 09:48PM  
I always take my leatherman wave for those emergency fixes. A good canoe seat with a back rest is sure easy on the back. Like kanoes a good chair is hard to beat in camp.
Jeriatric, portage girl? I didn't know you talked Roberta into going!!!
 
Basspro69
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01/26/2010 09:54PM  
Heres the point of double portaging, some people dont mind walking thru Eden twice, sometimes when you slow down in your life thats when you hit every green light.
 
01/26/2010 11:08PM  
Less is more for me it's all about moving with ease and as light as possible, no need to double portage if you pack right!

Sevenofnine I get your point.
 
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01/26/2010 11:27PM  
First, to answer the question asked, bdb's and also something I learned here 2 years ago, the plastic wash basin. It really works for me, holds all the odd shaped, sharped stuff, and nice to have around the campsite, plus washing dishes. Bungy my frypan to the top to hold stuff in and fits well the bottom of the pack with out much weight.

Second, looks like a highjack into the single vs double portage once again. Once in awhile I am in "I get the point camp", but mostly I am in the "misses the point" group, but still enjoy the trip just as much or maybe a little more. Tuff to get good views from under the canoe at the many falls, rapids, wildlife etc.
 
mjmkjun
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01/27/2010 07:37AM  
secure (pinned or sew in) a spare vehicle key to the inside of portage pack pocket/backpack.
 
01/27/2010 08:13AM  
Never wear cotton socks. It's a good idea to invest in quality socks such as smart wool.

Chapstick. Nuff said.
 
jb in the wild
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01/27/2010 08:14AM  
Take what YOU need, Need what You take, single or double portage makes no never mind as long as You, are enjoying yourself.
 
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01/27/2010 11:06AM  
SevenofNine, I'm guessing this point of yours is to prove how manly you are to people you don't know on internet boards, and belittle their trips because theier trips aren't right because they don't trip the way manly SevenofNine does?

My tip to you and everyone is:

To each their own.

I (as I imagine most people do) go to the BWCA/Q to enjoy myself. Each trip I go on is ussually differant. I've been on trips with all gung ho guys, who can carry a pack and a canoe or two packs on every portage so we can traval fast and light. I've been on trips with younger kids where a slower approach is advisable. I've been the kid in the last example. I've enjoyed myself and have had a great time on all these trips. Thats the point of my trips. On some we traveled far and fast and liked the feeling of accomplishment we had. On some I have worked harder to make up for my kids so I can introduce them to Quetico. On one, I was recovering from a car accident and couldn't use my right arm, other people had to pick up my slack. I'm sure on your trips this would be unacceptable and you would just have left me at home. When I'm older I plan on having my kids to help me when I'm not as strong as they are. Maybe when your kids or paddling partners leave you at home because you can't keep up you will finally get the point. (But you probably still won't, cause most bigots never do)

Can I single portage? Yes and I ussually do. Do I need to prove how great a man I am by belittling others who don't single portage? No. I'm very grateful that my first trip (when I was 12) was with someone smart enough to know that if they forced me to single portage, I probably would hate the trip and never revisit the BWCA. I can't begin to imagine how many people detest the BWCA, because some bigot like you told/made them single portage when it wasn't right for that person.
 
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01/27/2010 11:43AM  
I made a fire tube out of some left over copper tubing I had in the basement. It was probably from hooking up the ice maker. I cut a 6" section and took it to the hardware store where I got 2' of plastic tubing that fit over it snugly. Like Kevlar and Knoozer said, works great.
 
01/27/2010 11:58AM  
quote BearDown: "SevenofNine, I'm guessing this point of yours is to prove how manly you are ... some bigot like you told/made them single portage when it wasn't right for that person. "


Down, Bear!

Everyone at some time says things that come out more narrow-minded than they intended. Let's all cut each other some slack, eh?
 
Mad_Angler
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01/27/2010 12:10PM  
quote SevenofNine: "Single portaging makes a journey easier. I have modified a external frame pack to have U shaped uprights that the yoke of a canoe fits into similar to a Knupac. I really feel sorry for people that bring so much stuff that they double portage. I think they are missing the point. ...
"


I think nearly all of us agree with guy but he took it further than we would.

Consider seeing guys with 2 coolers, lawnchairs, and a screen house while doing a portage. Nearly all of us would say that those folks "are missing the point"...

Relax.
He didn't question your manhod by implying that single portaging is better. It was just his measure of having the right amount of stuff...
 
01/27/2010 12:13PM  
usually I like to single portage every portage twice

nice thread hijack

I like to bring a very small (hand size) billow, for when the wood is a bit wet and stubborn
 
01/27/2010 12:16PM  
I agree with Koda. Your tongue lashing seems a little harsh. All he really said was that he feels sorry for people who double portage. Heck, I sometimes feel sorry for MYSELF for making te second carry on a long portage. :)

He's young, able, and gung ho. Tact usually comes later in life for most people.
 
01/27/2010 12:20PM  
I've said this before in another thread but:

If you want to beat the morning portage crowds at your put in you need to start very early in the morning. If you are camping the night before you enter, a good idea is to keep all your packs ready to load into the canoe. Don't use your canoe gear to camp in.

I take an older tent and pads and use blankets. Then the tear down is quick and you can have breakfast out of a cooler like cereal and juice or doughnuts. Hit the first portage at daybreak and you'll beat the rush hour.
 
mc2mens
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01/27/2010 12:44PM  
I concur with what Tom T just said about getting an early start and the camping strategy the evening before entry date.

I also hear you on the wool sock thing Tom. I try not to bring any cotton clothing into the wilderness and stick to wool or poly. It wears better than cotton and retains it's insulation value better.

BTW - I do occasionally single portage when tripping with just the old guys, depending on the circumstances. And these old guys are pretty gung ho ourselves. You don't have to be a young pup to kick a little ass! And for the record, I enjoy the experience more when double portaging.
 
BearDown
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01/27/2010 01:07PM  
I just get frustrated with people who think theirs is the only right way. If it was a tip, it could have been said like

"I single portage and it saves me a lot of time."

Not, "I really feel sorry for people that bring so much stuff that they double portage. I think they are missing the point."

The way he said it sounds to me like "I feel bad for the poor saps who double portage, they are such losers and shouldn't even be aloowed to come up here"

I ussually single portage and it does save time for me. But there are lots of reasons to double portage and it doesn't bother me if someone else double portages or if I find myself in a position where double portaging makes more sence.
 
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01/27/2010 01:45PM  
quote BearDown: "I just get frustrated with people who think theirs is the only right way. If it was a tip, it could have been said like

"I single portage and it saves me a lot of time."

Not, "I really feel sorry for people that bring so much stuff that they double portage. I think they are missing the point."
"


Actually, his tip was the exact same tip that every outfitter will give on your first conversation: "don't bring too much stuff"

He also probably didn't know about the sensitivity of this topic due to numerous heated discussions.
 
Basspro69
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01/27/2010 02:18PM  
O K I will make just this point, I dont double portage alot of the time because I have to, I double portage to see what im missing, if you like to single portage then by all means do so, now can we get back to the tips because im really enjoying alot of things im seeing here, a bunch of them i didnt know, thanks for all that have contributed and please keep em coming.
 
01/27/2010 02:19PM  
Plan what you bring (or don't!) based on what your goals are combined with what your ability level is.
 
removedmember1
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01/27/2010 04:50PM  
Making a packing list, reviewing the list after the trip, and refining it with ideas you get here.
 
01/27/2010 04:51PM  
I tend to get my maps and plans early on. Not at gas station on way to ep. Study it, fantasize and memorize the lake sizes just in case there's a monumental mishap with it.
 
01/27/2010 05:02PM  
quote Mad_Angler: "Actually, his tip was the exact same tip that every outfitter will give on your first conversation: "don't bring too much stuff"
He also probably didn't know about the sensitivity of this topic due to numerous heated discussions."


7of9, don't let this thread put you off. Make a blanket statement and someone might take exception to it - oh, well. It's hard to predict other people's tender spots.

Now how about sharing some of your techniques for whittling down your gear to a small enough package that you can single portage? Some of the double portagers (like me) would like to reduce their loads, and maybe you have something to teach.
 
That Guy
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01/27/2010 05:49PM  
Koda has the right idea. The single vs double portage can be saved for another thread and another time. Lets get back to the crafty tricks some might think are really nothing, but others whom haven't thought might find it to be that cats meow. Would love to hear some suggestions and diagrams towards DIY gear, stuff members could work on to get them through this WARM weather. Post On!!
 
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01/27/2010 06:00PM  
AAAARRRRGGGGGHHH. single portage double portage isn't the idea that we all enjoy the BWCA. How FFFFing anal can we get, people with like minded ideals bickering over the appropriate way to carry ones gear. I dble portage because I'm not in a hurry its vacation be it what it is.We also bring a Martin back pack guitar and a mandolin because our group has an addiction to blue grass, and the northwoods. Our attempt to bring a little flavor of the south to the north. The door has been opened for some serious bickering. Here is a tip we bring a 1ft wide by 2 ft long finished piece of plywood. Slides in the pack easily and allows u to clean your fish on a safe flat surface. And if folks want to argue over single or dble portaging it is equally effective as a paddle. Peace D-
 
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01/27/2010 06:26PM  
I'm interested in those Bungee Dele Bobs by Old Scout too. I Google Mapped the address and it takes me into the middle of a housing district. Is anyone familiar with this location? I'm heading back to Minneapolis again in two weeks and thought I might pop in. Looks like it's not far from Midwest Mountaineering and I will pop in there to look at paddles anyway. Or, maybe Midwest sells the BDBs?
 
BlackMagic
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01/27/2010 06:33PM  
One other thing from me. I'm kind of hoping that our initiation of SevenofNine is now complete. I kind of doubt that his intent was as nasty as some of our replies have been. I'm thinking that he's got the point. I can only speak for myself, but here's hoping that we can all put this one behind us now. And, SevenofNine, welcome to this forum. These guys have been very good to me, and there is so much they can teach us. And as the great wrestler Baron von Rashky (I'm joking here) once said, "And that is all the people need to know".
 
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01/27/2010 07:15PM  
BlackMagic - Midwest Mountaineering sells the BDB's - that's where I got mine.
 
BlackMagic
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01/27/2010 07:19PM  
That's great, thanks. Looks like a very cool little gadget. so that's my official item for this list.
 
01/27/2010 07:22PM  
buy twice as many as you think youll need. believe me.
 
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01/27/2010 07:57PM  
My favorite is the granite gear padded under seat pack. Inside the pack is a plastic fillet board to give it rigidity. Its water resistant so your binoculars or camera might be safer.

Sevenofnine, I have admired parties who could single portage. My only concern is that just because a group may be fast, they need to practice good manners and take their turn at a crowded portage landing like everyone else.

Don't be put off by this thread! Welcome.
 
Savage Voyageur
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01/27/2010 08:06PM  
One of the tricks that I have found is for your tarp. It allows you to put a tarp pullout anywhere you want to tailor your needs. I put them in the seams to give them more support.
They also work on your tent.


Grip Clip
 
01/27/2010 08:31PM  
I think I'm going to try triple portaging this year- one extra trip carrying nothing just to look, listen, taste, touch and smell...
 
01/27/2010 08:50PM  
Another trick of mine is to double portage. By doing that you can get that great campsite that someone is in no hurry to leave but as you lolly gag up to it an hour after the guy that ran past you on the portage past it up cuz it was still occupied, you get to find it empty.
 
01/27/2010 09:00PM  
quote gutmon: "I think I'm going to try triple portaging this year- one extra trip carrying nothing just to look, listen, taste, touch and smell..."


On my trip last fall from Lake One to Snowbank I double-carried until the Hudson-to-Insula portage. Here's what my trip report says:

"I've been double carrying, but I break the load down into three trips for this portage. I find it's not only a lot easier, but I also get to walk more, and all the rest of the portages from this point are triple carries. (It's a good thing all the portages are dry; I'm sure I'd change my tune if they were boot-sucking mudholes.) Some say triple portaging takes a lot more time, but I don't think so. On one 40-rod portage the third carry takes an extra six minutes; and on the last portage - 140 rods - it takes another 20 minutes, measured from the moment I drop the second load to the moment I drop the third load."
 
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01/27/2010 09:33PM  
quote Knoozer: "Another trick of mine is to double portage. By doing that you can get that great campsite that someone is in no hurry to leave but as you lolly gag up to it an hour after the guy that ran past you on the portage past it up cuz it was still occupied, you get to find it empty."


Too funny!
 
01/27/2010 10:19PM  
in warm weather I bring a cheap thin twin sheet. I hate to be overheated when I sleep, and even my summer bag can be a bit much for me on muggy nights. A sheet is comfortable and discourages bugs a bit. It makes a big difference for me in how I sleep. It weighs nothing and takes no room at all when folded, and I've found it can serve as surprising number other purposes in a pinch.



 
spcashin
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01/28/2010 08:02AM  
Here's a brilliant tip from a trip mate of mine:

His boots were impossibly wet. Rather than leaning them near the fire and risking burning them, he decided there might be something to heating rocks and placing them in the boot. But, being smarter than a rock, he thought rocks heated directly by fire may be too hot and sooty for the interior of his boot. So... he boiled them.

The boiled rocks can't get above the boiling point, so he could control the temperature. Plus they were fairly clean. Sure, they start off wet but within a minute the water evaporates. It took him several revolutions of hot rocks into boots but it sure as heck worked.
 
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01/28/2010 08:51AM  
BlackMagic,

Old Scout makes these at his home. I bought a reflector oven and some BDB and picked them up there. I live in the neighborhood so it was very easy to set up.

Jay
 
redwood
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01/28/2010 09:17AM  
Single or double portaging depends on the crew I go to the BW with. Either way, groups should be considerate of each other on portages.

Another thing I like to bring is a kitchen sink. No, not the one from the kitchen. Sea to summit makes a collapsible sink that fits right in a pot. Helps doing dishes and rinsing. After reading this thread, I think I'm going to bring a mesh bag for drying. Great idea.
 
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01/28/2010 10:35AM  
Tip or Trick

I have tried for years to tie the front of a canoe or kayak down. Then one day, I saw the most simple idea ever. They took a piece of 3/8 inch rope (or so) approximately 15 inches long and doubled it over and tied an overhand knot creating a loop. Then they popped the hood on the car, slid the know unter the hood and between the fender, closing the hood. This left the knot under the hood and a secure loop above the hood to attach bow ties to.

Maybe this is something everyone has known about for years, and i was just asleep. Sometimes the cleverist things are cheap, and work better than anything else.

Another tip, get a knot book. I wasn't a boy scout, so I've had to learn on my own. The number of times I could have used a truckers hitch.....
 
01/28/2010 10:50AM  
quote spcashin: "His boots were impossibly wet. Rather than leaning them near the fire and risking burning them, he decided there might be something to heating rocks and placing them in the boot. But, being smarter than a rock, he thought rocks heated directly by fire may be too hot and sooty for the interior of his boot. So... he boiled them."


OK, now that is truly ingenious.
 
01/28/2010 11:49AM  
I have a generously sized shaving kit that unzips and unfolds with multiple pockets. I like to use this for my kitchen utensils. It hold all the silverware, lighters, salt and pepper, soap, fillet knife, even has loops for the spatula and a large stirring spoon. I tie the thing to a tree near the fire. Works great.

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I also like the small carpenters apron tied around a tree to help keep things organized and off the ground.

Leather gloves always.

Always double portage. I don't take a lot of gear but I am never in a hurry and I am not young and tough enough to do it all in one trip.
01/28/2010 11:58AM  
Obviously I didn't do that link correctly. Sorry.
 
01/28/2010 12:49PM  
quote spcashin: "But, being smarter than a rock, he thought rocks heated directly by fire may be too hot and sooty for the interior of his boot. So... he boiled them."


Marvelous!

I tried similar with trying to dry out my pants. But I couldn't find just the right kind of rock (didn't look very hard, either, I admit). I had a big wet spot, and I felt cold, and my idea was to sort of "iron out" the wet spot. Guess I could have also heated a pot of water on the stove and then set that on my pants....without me in them, of course. ;-)
 
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01/28/2010 06:39PM  
No matter how long it takes, kill every last mosquito in your tent before you sack out, because if one buzzes your ear you wont sleep to good the rest of the night, along with this I try not to get anything out of the tent around dusk, because thats when the tiny little vampires are at their worst.
 
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01/28/2010 07:14PM  
One more use for hot rocks, on cold nights I will take a large one from beside the fire, put it in a pan and place the pan on a couple sticks in my tent 30-45 min prior to hitting the sack. I make a real difference, doesn't last long but it makes going to sleep much nicer.
 
01/28/2010 07:55PM  
quote Basspro69: "No matter how long it takes, kill every last mosquito in your tent before you sack out, because if one buzzes your ear you wont sleep to good the rest of the night, along with this I try not to get anything out of the tent around dusk, because thats when the tiny little vampires are at their worst."


It seems no matter how well I think I've eliminated those monsters, one or two often get me during the night. Or used to. Several years ago I got a bottle of Off! Botanicals insect repellent lotion. It worked nicely to keep the little parasites at bay. It's no longer made but there are other repellent lotions on the market. What's nice about them is that they're non-greasy and (probably) good for the skin.
 
01/28/2010 08:52PM  
My tip might come off as odd but here it goes - learn from your trip. Learn what worked and what did not. Learn what you liked and did not like. I have had "good" trips and "bad" trips and I learned something from all of them. Maybe the most important thing is safety first. Todd
 
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01/28/2010 10:42PM  
I take a piece of Duct tape about three inches long and wrap it around two fingers with the sticky side out. Then before bed you locate the little bugs in the tent and touch them with the sticky side. They stick to the tape and you have them. No need to hit the side of the tent or get them in the air. No squashed bugs on the hands either. Works great.

Jay
 
01/28/2010 10:54PM  
great tip big tent.
 
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01/29/2010 06:34AM  
quote Big Tent: "I take a piece of Duct tape....then before bed you locate the little bugs in the tent and touch them with the sticky side. Jay"


Oh, oh, ok. Catch and release! Kewl.

How very Zen.

SE
 
01/29/2010 08:20AM  
Thats a great tip! It was always a pain in the butt to kill them againt screen mesh. I would try to "twit" them. :)
 
01/29/2010 09:09AM  
When traveling and staying overnight before my trip, I carry a separate duffel with my "first day in the BW" clothes and my travel home clothes. Also take a second sleeping bag for the nights stay in the bunkhouse. That way, there's no digging through my packs before the trip. Seems simple and obvious....but helpful. For people that camp before their trip....take a second tent.
 
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01/29/2010 02:19PM  
Great info, How about some DIY projects, Improvements to other tools/equipment, things we use for multiple purposes?
 
01/29/2010 02:20PM  
Traveler,
Here is that link you tried,Travelers Cabelas Link

You have the formula wrong....send me an e-mail and i'll send it to you, your e-mail address doesn't show....I tried to post it but it turns into a link...;)

 
01/29/2010 04:12PM  
Kanoes, did you mean buy twice as many TENTS than you think you'll need?
 
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01/31/2010 09:14PM  
use a rock in your tarp and bunch the material around it and you can tie a knot around the bunch for another tie out point on your tarp or just a plain piece of tyvek.


Mr. Green
 
removedmember1
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02/01/2010 01:28PM  
How about that bear hook idea from a successful earlier thread?




This is not my picture, I borrowed it.
 
jfred17
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02/01/2010 01:46PM  
For the fishermen out there, use the basketball net/carabiner/parachute cord anchor. Probably caught double the fish because of it! Again, thanks to this site for that idea!
 
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02/01/2010 01:57PM  
As an added use for the basketball net anchor, mark the anchor rope with 1 foot increments with a waterproof marker, taking into account the net itself. When you want to find a underwater island or a specific depth on a shoreline, let the anchor out in deeper water to the depth that you are looking for and paddle/drift over an area until you feel the anchor make contact with the bottom. Let out a little more anchor rope so the anchor can get a good hold and start fishing.

It's not perfect, but it will give you a big advantage.

SE
 
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02/01/2010 03:08PM  
Good idea SE!
 
02/01/2010 04:52PM  
Looking for a portage landing that doesn't seem to have any identifying features to help? (like an island, point, bay). Aim to one side of where you think it is...be obviously left or right of it, and then search in only one direction until you find it. If you aim directly where you think it is, and it isn't there, now you have to search in two directions...not efficient if only one canoe in the party, or only you who can identify a portage landing.
 
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02/01/2010 05:44PM  
THAT GUY, thanks for starting this thread. Some neat tips & tricks.

Mike
 
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02/01/2010 06:21PM  
in very hilly areas, while approaching a portage when i can't tell exactly where it is, in addition to what kevlar said, i also scan the tree line. 9 times out of 10, the portage will appear as a valley at the tree tops.
 
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02/01/2010 06:37PM  
Great tip moosedrool, I always thought they would have neon signs telling you where the portage was but they dont :-)
 
02/01/2010 07:35PM  
A couple of 55 gal trash bags.
Put dishes on after washing, fold over half to keep things clean.
A table cloth.
Cover a wet log to sit on.
Door mat out side your tent.
Slip over packs to keep dry.
Slip foot of sleeping bag into if low end of tent becomes a lake.
Put stinky clothes in.
Carry out large amounts of trash someone left at camp site (Ramshead).
And in on case a ground tarp for a tent.
 
02/01/2010 07:59PM  
quote bapabear: my tip would be to absolutely stress common sense safety for yourself and your group. Things like steady the canoe for each other while getting in and out can save a lot of spills and scrapes or worse. Lift with legs and straight back. Wearing your PFD and realizing the danger of wind on a big lake are among little things can make or break a trip so keep them in mind.

Amen to bapabear, the trip is no fun if you go back in pieces or worse never be able to return. Keep it safe, someone at home loves you.
 
jackson
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02/01/2010 07:59PM  
If you don't want to bring a cooler but still enjoy a good steak the first night, pack frozen steaks (well wrapped) at the center of your clothes bag. The clothes will insulate the frozen items for at least a day.

Also, for those cold nights, boil some water at the end of the day, pour it into a nalgene bottle, put the bottle inside a spare wool sock or two, and put it in the foot of your sleeping bag. The sock is to regulate the temp so you don't burn your toes and to make the heat last longer.

Enjoy-
 
02/01/2010 08:14PM  
Koda and Sparten2 here's a funny one.

Three years ago my sister and her 14 yr old son came with, she told him to pack 5 pair of socks. He got one pr wet getting to camp then slipped on wet rocks and just left shoes an socks off instead of getting wet again. Later that night while in the tent he asked mom why he had to bring 5 socks with. So you know what we call him??
 
02/01/2010 08:50PM  
quote forestmaven: "Making a packing list, reviewing the list after the trip, and refining it with ideas you get here."


If you write down everything in your pack that you did not use then before heading out on your next trip determine if you really need it.


When I drop my load at the end of the portage if a group just arrived I help them unload and then offer to carry a pack to the other end. No one has refused the help yet. Pass the kindness forward. Just because.
 
02/01/2010 09:03PM  
(myceliaman) do cover the wood with something or just burn the plywood and fishy stuff when done??

I bring the 16 by 24 in flexible plastic cutting sheets you can buy at wal-mart and just wash them off when done.
 
02/01/2010 09:55PM  
Baby wipes. They keep "things" clean and fresh.
 
02/01/2010 10:35PM  
quote fishfry: "Koda and Sparten2 here's a funny one.
Three years ago my sister and her 14 yr old son came with, she told him to pack 5 pair of socks. He got one pr wet getting to camp then slipped on wet rocks and just left shoes an socks off instead of getting wet again. Later that night while in the tent he asked mom why he had to bring 5 socks with. So you know what we call him??"


No, but you're going to tell us, aren't you? :-)
 
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02/01/2010 10:52PM  
A hot water bottle comes in handy for aches and pains and to warm up the sleeping bag too. Laying down with that hot pack in my lumbar is so relaxing.
 
02/02/2010 12:46PM  
quote tobiedog: "A hot water bottle comes in handy for aches and pains and to warm up the sleeping bag too. Laying down with that hot pack in my lumbar is so relaxing."


Applying warmth to the sore muscles is good, but proper stretching is more effective. One of my tried-and-true practices after any kind of exercise is to do yoga. It's really just a specific set of stretches, bends and twists, done in a careful and focused way. For the lower back, I do several sets of forward and backward bends, side bends, and twists. I do some of these immediately after working, while the muscles are warm, and others after some time has elapsed. The point is to keep the muscles and connective tissue elongated and the circulation flowing.
 
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02/02/2010 01:05PM  
quote Koda:"One of my tried-and-true practices after any kind of exercise is to do yoga."

Is that yoga, Koda? Or a cata, Koda?

Kudos kiddo.

SE
 
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02/03/2010 05:38PM  
Fishfry im still waiting to hear what you call the kid with five pair of socks ?
 
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02/03/2010 07:16PM  
Guys(Gals) remember this is all just a walk in the woods, enjoy it at your own pace, it's not a race. I do this to get away from the rat race, Not to start a new one. MHO.
 
02/07/2010 10:42AM  
Basketball net idea: We use it to keep our beverages cold. Tie 1 end to the tree and toss in the lake. Worked perfect for our bag of Chardonnay.

I also bring a lil' tube of Gorilla Glue. That + duct tape fixes has fixed 99% of the problems we have had.
 
02/07/2010 11:04AM  
quote Basspro69: "Fishfry im still waiting to hear what you call the kid with five pair of socks ?"
He brought up 5 socks not 5 pair. Now his camping name is 5 socks.
 
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02/07/2010 11:17AM  
Nice to read that "7 of 9" is not getting picked on anymore. He can come on my trips anytime. There are a group of old gals (ages 50-70)who do two or three trips together each summer. And, we definitely do bring the kitchen sink. We gave up mileage goals and single portages about 10 years ago when our senior member had two joint replacements in one year. We are now bribing our grandkids and young friends to carry for us. With our age, limitations and varied capacities, we could use his energy! We are just super glad that we can still go. Our fear was that we'll someday have to leave BWCA trips out of our retirement plans. Welcome 7 of 9. Keep moving while you can!!
 
02/07/2010 11:29AM  
quote jackson: "If you don't want to bring a cooler but still enjoy a good steak the first night, pack frozen steaks (well wrapped) at the center of your clothes bag. The clothes will insulate the frozen items for at least a day."


Why are the bears following me?

:)
 
02/07/2010 11:31AM  
looks like we scared SevenofNine off pretty well btw. poor guy never knew what hit him.
 
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02/07/2010 11:37AM  
Thats funny fishfry, thanks for clarifying lol :-)
 
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02/07/2010 12:11PM  
4 quart pot,great for one pot meals,boiling water,kitchen sink,and also bath tub.chair with back,at my age the logs around the fire pit just doesn't cut it any more.leather gloves,great for hanging food pack,fire wood gathering and busting,and also as hot pad holders.safety pins are great as clothes pins and unclogging the tiny holes in your water pump.and crystal lite so you don't have to carry pounds of sugar,and last but not least a good rain suit,I also carry a poncho,works well as an extra rain suit in case a party members suit fails,works well as an extra tarp or wind block,keeps firewood dry,or ground cloth for tent.I like items that have multiple uses
 
02/07/2010 12:26PM  
quote bradcrc: "looks like we scared SevenofNine off pretty well btw. poor guy never knew what hit him. "


I hope not. Makes me wonder how many newbies here have been put off by the occasional rough-and-tumble.
 
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02/07/2010 07:38PM  
Make a gear list and check it off as you load your gear into the packs. Review and revise the gear list after the trip and put the list with your gear for the next trip.
 
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02/07/2010 08:28PM  


I hope not. Makes me wonder how many newbies here have been put off by the occasional rough-and-tumble."


I would guess not many. This board is pretty tame.

One trick I use while backpacking when it's cold is to throw some of my clothes in my sleeping bag with me. It's just not very comfortable to put cold clothes on in the morning.
 
02/07/2010 08:31PM  
Another "seeing" trick. Looking a distance down or across a lake for an island or a point, but the light is wrong and everything blends together? The feature you want will be slightly lower in the water than the surrounding shoreline, and because it is closer, the trees on it will be sharper and in more detail.
 
02/07/2010 09:55PM  
Thanks for that reminder, Kevlar. Something to remember at night is that there's a blind spot where the optic nerve meets the retina, so it's best to scan at night instead of stare. Otherwise if you're stargazing and you look directly at a star it disappears.
 
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02/08/2010 12:40AM  
I bring two dish pans (full size) The go in the bottom of a pack and stuff goes in them, so they don't take up much space. (My B-i-L) Tapes his under a canoe seat when he goes. They make after dinner clean up a breeze. As soon as dinner is served, the largest pot we have (six quart maybe)gets filled and put on the fire to heat up while we eat. After dinner water get divided between two pans, one for wash one for rinse. I should say that we have only gone in groups of four or more. This would be over kill for one or two people IMO.
 
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02/08/2010 12:37PM  
1. a good sponge with a bungee attached to thwart, to keep it nice and dry at the bottom of the canoe
2. single kool-aid or knock-off brand packets for a tasty nalgene full of water, orange and fruit punch mixes well with vodka for around the fire
3. BDB's and larger bungees
4. good portage pads
5. an extra fishing pole in case one breaks
6. small weatherband radio to check rain/storm/wind forecasts
7. live and artificial bait for options
8. a few lighters just in case one gets wet
9. an extra paddle for the group
10. if you pack light on the food like we do, it's nice to have a couple snacks ie: candy bar, beef jerky, nuts
11. plenty of rope
12. pancake mix, its light, easy to make, and delicious; oatmeal is gross(right kyle?)



 
02/08/2010 01:12PM  
This year I'll be using a Knu-Pac for portaging. It's an external frame backpack with all the rigging, and it has extensions for U-shaped fittings that the canoe's center thwart fits in. The weight is distributed between the shoulders and the hips and is supposed to be a lot more pleasant than the usual method. I hope it works as well as my test-portages in the back yard. I might risk the neighborhood's collective raised eyebrow and try a half-mile walk around the block with it when the snow melts.
 
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02/08/2010 08:47PM  
clear nail polish to protect against itching bug bites.
 
ThisGuy
  
02/09/2010 02:40PM  
Last year we brought a wineskin and a box of wine but it was kind of a mess to clean off the face.
 
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02/09/2010 03:21PM  
I tried to capture all the best ideas from BWCA.com on how to set up your canoe for tripping.








I have several others of these on:

Camp set up
Tent set up
Bear hang
Wash point set up
Latrine set up (Quetico)

Let me know if you would like me to post

 
jfred17
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02/09/2010 03:36PM  
bojibob - I would be interested in seeing the rest of them. Thanks!
 
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02/10/2010 10:20AM  
Here's one I haven't heard yet. When it has been raining a lot and you can't find any dry wood, look for thick bark on a dead pine tree. Peel the bark off of the tree, the inside of the bark will be dry and the outside will be drier than any other wood because it sits vertical to the ground. This bark will burn long like a hard wood. You can also use this bark to cover wood you have already gathered and use it as a roof over the wood pile to keep your stash dry.

I also didn't see anything about using birch bark to start a fire with, maybe that tip is way too obvious, but I don't need fire paste if I have a pocket full of birch bark.
 
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02/10/2010 10:46AM  
Based on another thread... It seeems that many folks find Kitty litter buckets to be extremely useful:

They are useful for many things:
- help sort food
- protect food from rodents
- protect food from water
- provide camp tables
- provide chairs

I put 2 square buckets in the bottom of a standard Duluth pack. They work great.

Pictures? Sure...
 
02/10/2010 01:10PM  
quote QueticoMike: "When it has been raining a lot and you can't find any dry wood, look for thick bark on a dead pine tree."


Good idea, Mike. In addition, it helps to remember that all you have to do to get dry wood is split a branch or log.
 
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02/10/2010 01:18PM  
One more tip from other threads:

Unless your route has a tremendous amount of portaging, a portable depth finder is well worth the weight. You will definitely cathc more fish.
Depth finder thread

Here are my comments from the other thread:
We base camped on Horse for a week. On the first day, I accidentally found a submerged island. I was trolling and caught a fish. When I looked at the depth finder, it read 5 feet. I was suprised since the rest of the area was about 20 feet of water.

After paddling around the area and confirming the depth with my achor rope, I realized it was a submerged island. The island came to within 5 feet of the surface. All around the island was 20 feet of water.

On the first day, I just fished for a while and caught 2 walleye and a smallie.

On the second day, I fished for about an hour with my 7 year old daughter. We caught about 10 smallies ranging from 16 to 20 inches. Here is a good picture. Notice the bend in my daughter's rod while I hold the previous fish.

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Later, I took my 13 year old daughter. We both caught 21 inch smallies. Here is a picture of hers:

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On the fourth day, I fished for about an hour and caught 2 walleye and 4 smallies.

I never would have found the spot without a depth finder.



My depth finder is a Lowrance X67 Ice Machine. It worked great all week. The battery ran out about 1 hour before we left. It is a great depth finder for the BW and for ice fishing.
 
02/10/2010 02:30PM  
quote bojibob: "I tried to capture all the best ideas from BWCA.com on how to set up your canoe for tripping."


Boji, go for it. Also, what are the pool noodles for?
 
jfred17
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02/10/2010 02:47PM  
I think the pool noodles are another tip. I saw a pic a while back on here where they had them cupped over the gunwales so when you are sitting your legs/knees hit the soft of the noodles instead of the actual canoe.
 
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02/10/2010 03:11PM  
Supposedly, the pool noodles are to keep you from cracking your knuckles on the gunwales. I don't usually have an issue with that but some folks do...
 
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02/10/2010 04:33PM  
Sample of a Water Point Set up


 
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02/10/2010 04:37PM  

Sample of Camp Layout "Bear-muda Triangle"

 
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02/10/2010 04:39PM  
Sample of a Wash Point

 
02/10/2010 04:40PM  
you sick sick puppy. :)
 
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02/10/2010 04:40PM  
Sample of Latrine Tools for Quetico

 
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02/10/2010 04:41PM  
BearBag Set Up using the "bojihook" developed by idea's from bwca.com members

Best Methods for Getting Bear Rope into the Tree

 
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02/10/2010 04:46PM  
quote kanoes: "you sick sick puppy. :)"


I knew the abuse would come..... and where it would come from :-)
 
02/13/2010 07:42PM  
quote Mad_Angler: "Supposedly, the pool noodles are to keep you from cracking your knuckles on the gunwales. I don't usually have an issue with that but some folks do..."


I am a bigger guy, and last year I rode in the bow of a MNII for a weekend. Luckily, I had seen MNII's before and I knew how narrow they were for the bowman. I brought 2 18" pieces of 3/4" foam pipe insulation, and they worked fantastic. They are a lot smaller than pool noodles, pre-split, and provide adequate protection for the sides of your legs and knuckles. They are also quiet to rest your paddle or rod on.
 
removedmember1
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02/14/2010 05:18AM  
Talking about pool noodles and pipe insulation: I wedged a piece of pipe insulation between the driver's seat and the middle console of my car because I was tired of keys, cell phone and other stuff falling through that crack and ending up under the seat where I could not reach it without getting out of the car. That is downright dangerous at 60 mph.
 
02/14/2010 07:57AM  
I google pecker #3 and all i came up with is porno sites....
 
02/14/2010 07:57AM  
I google pecker #3 and all i came up with is porno sites....
 
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02/14/2010 03:10PM  
quote dalet: "I google pecker #3 and all i came up with is porno sites...."
Black Diamond Pecker
 
Jimmy2toes
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02/16/2010 05:06PM  
Alot of great tips on here, thanks! Here are a couple of mine...
1) Tip canoe over and use as cutting board to filet fish, to
clean simply put back in water and catch more fish
2) Portable fold up table, folds up like a sports chair,very light
not bulky and came in handy
3) Reel holder, for person in back of canoe while trolling
4) Lighted frisbe, multi use here, fan fire, throw around camp, and most importantly needed for deep woods night time frisbe golf!
 
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02/16/2010 08:53PM  
Who has a suggestion for a descent sleeping pad? My wife and I are 50 years old and those thin little sleeping pads we used to use don't help much anymore. I may get pounced on for doing this but I've gone so far as to bring a double sized blow-up mattress with a battery powered pump. That arrangement works great but only if we're base camping. It's a bit too much bulk and weight for significant traveling. What do others with "older" bones use to sleep on?
 
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02/16/2010 09:11PM  
quote CabSauv: "Who has a suggestion for a descent sleeping pad? ..."


Here is a thread that will answer you question:
Best Sleeping Pad

I have tried many mats. Here are my comments from the other thread:

I took my wife for her first trips this year. She wanted a comfortable pad.

For the first trip, we used Thermarest base camps. I think they are 2.5 inches thick. They were more comfortable than typical Thermarests but my wife still had shoulder/back pain in the morning.

For the second trip, we used Exped Synmat 9's. Wow! Those mats are by far the most comfrtable mats that I have slept on. We also had a dog in the tent with us. I was pleased to find that the mats were tough enough to handle the toenails from the dog...

So, I would have to vote that the Exped Synmat 9 is the "best sleeping pad"

(Thermarest does have a great product and absolutely amazing customer service. They took back at 20 year old mat and replaced it with a brand new one...)
 
02/18/2010 04:36AM  
I use this list for the vast majority of my "tips" (great resource) but there are a few I have not seen that my friends and I do.

1. Bought a 30gal plastic barrel with a ring top and found that it slipped very nicely into my old military sea bag. The sea bag has backpack straps and, even when loaded wih food, is still strong enough to pull up into a tree by the straps. And as a plus, because of the barrel, the contents stay dry and we save on the number of zip loc bags that we used to repack our food in.

2. An REI duffel bag (heavy duty bag) holds all of our cooking gear. Two stoves, three cans of fuel, utensils, pots, pans and all other assorted stuff. We all use internal frame packs and this is good way for us to keep the food stuff out of our packs (we send it, the duffel, up a tree at night).

3. Caribiners, and not the cheapo's. Get some real ones. We use them to tie the bags to when we send stuff up a tree. Works great, just clip and go. We find new uses for caribiners every year.

The last thing I will add (because this is getting long) relates to those trying to get the bear rope over a branch. Learn how to tie a Monkey's Fist and to thow a Rescue Line. In the USCG, after practice, I was able to throw well over 75' of line. I use the technique every year in the BW to get the bear bag up.

Here is a link. This woman does it wrong but you can see how she is holding the line. It's all in the hips, and learning to let go at the right time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASoYZs6Uq-M
 
PatnAspen
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02/18/2010 09:27PM  
Our favorite piece of gear??
Has to be a SnapOn mini torch. Weighs less than some fire starters and will get a fire going in seconds, even if its wet.
 
02/19/2010 11:57AM  
 
02/20/2010 10:29AM  
Cleaned out 5 gal. plastic buckets with sealed lids. They hold my food, can carry water, also can sit on them. Can portage 2 buckets plus a back pack.
 
02/22/2010 01:14PM  
I like to bring some bees wax candles. One or two is all the light you need for a late supper besides the fire. They also smell great. A couple of scrapes with my knife on the candle's tree stump base removes the wax in the morning. The only flashlights I bring are a LED headlamp and a very small LED lantern type light which hangs in the tent.
 
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02/22/2010 03:33PM  
here's one that just came to mind while i was going thru some gear.put a rubber band around the Bic lighter you carry in a pants pocket.it won't slide out as easy with a couple wraps of the band around it.and if you carry a Swiss Army pocket knife get a Bic that not red,more that once i fished around in the side pouch of my boat bag a got the wrong one out--
 
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