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04/03/2018 04:32PM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
I have posted a couple threads about twig stoves elsewhere on this board, but I guess I should have put them here.

I recently purchased a Vargo, and today I ordered a Solo. I really like the idea of not having to haul in fuel, and when I solo, all of my meals are either freeze dried or dehydrated. It seems that most who use these stoves also bring in some sort of back up (like an MSR Pocket Rocket with a canister or two of fuel), but to me, that defeats the purpose of using one. Curious if anyone uses a twig burner exclusively.

So, I am wondering how many of you use said twig stoves and what your thoughts are, pro and con.

 
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04/03/2018 10:49PM  
I will use mine exclusively for an overnight. Any longer I also have a canister stove. I have a wood gasification stove made from a Progresso Soup can and a new, quart paint can. It is perfect for boiling quart of water.
 
GraniteCliffs
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04/03/2018 11:31PM  
I have never used one or even seen one so was interested in the other thread on twig stoves. I have to admit on solos I don't mind portaging my pocket rocket and fuel. Pretty light and efficient when I am alone. Quick hot water whenever I want it with no effort. For me it is worth the weight and space.
It is interesting, however, as an alternative. Probably just not for me.
 
04/04/2018 04:30AM  
When I go to Ontario I take my DIY twig stove, it's about the size [set up] of a shoe box. It has a 2 inch hole on one end [on top] to boil water and the other 3/4 is solid, that way I can set boiling water on it to keep it warm or move the fire down to that end and fry fish without blacking my frying pan. Folds flat, weighs very little and takes up very little room in the food barrel. I do take a canister stove along in case of wet weather or a fire ban. FRED
 
04/04/2018 08:37AM  
Thanks. Last night I tried to boil water on the Vargo, but after 12 minutes I gave up. Water was still cool enough for me to be able to put my finger in it with no adverse effect.

Will give it another shot when it warms up; it is 9 degrees out right now...
 
04/04/2018 10:29AM  
Have made several, kinda fun to mess with, and they are messy! Just could not grasp the idea of buying something so simple (this applies to my idiosyncrasies, not others). Even true gasification stoves are simple to make. Mostly end up using them as pot supports in a campfire.

Never packed one for a trip, figured I can cook over a fire. I didn't need one.
Is nice to have boiling water in a few minutes early in the morning! So a petrol based fuel stove always goes.

butthead
 
TDBauer
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04/05/2018 09:47AM  
Love twig stoves.

Last year I bought a Solo Stove Lite and the Solo Pot 900. The stove fits inside the pot perfectly and is super easy to pack/carry the pot. I love it for all my trips, solo or otherwise. Boils up water fast. I have even used it to fry fish.

The Solo Stove is pretty expensive though, and the pot can also add up. But they work so well together and are easy to pack. Otherwise there are some really cheap twig stoves you can find on amazon for around $15 bucks that fold flat and are even easier to pack. But since I boil a lot of water to rehydrate food, or to make tea, or coffee... having the pot combo is well worth it to me. SOLO STOVE AT AMAZON
 
04/05/2018 10:20AM  
I haven't used one on a solo trip, yet, but a friend brought a new Biolite with dedicated pot and grill on our group trip last summer. That thing was amazing. It has a built-in fan to optimize oxygen content for the fire. It gets hot quickly. We used it with damp sticks, too. We just had to be mindful of the size and quantity of sticks we put in the stove, but I assume that is a characteristic of any twig stove.
 
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04/05/2018 12:33PM  
I occasionally use a Backcountry Boiler. Not really a twig stove, but instead a chimney stove. Still, the burner uses twigs as the fuel source that you feed in as needed, so pretty similar. Not as versatile as a twig stove though, since mine only boils water.

I've never timed how long it takes to come to a boil, but it seems reasonably quick. I am most likely to use it on day trips and overnight trips. On those trips I find using twigs to be entertaining. On longer trips I generally use either a gas or canister stove, alcohol, or even esbit. Even thought twig stove is not much work, on longer trips I want something as easy as possible when I'm tired (or lazy).

I've always been intrigued by twig stove and am having fun following this thread.
 
04/05/2018 01:28PM  
The Vargo will be going back to REI (or I may just gift it to someone as I do not like returning items that really have nothing wrong with them), and the Solo should arrive this Friday. On sale, I got it for $59 including shipping, and that is the price I paid for the Vargo.

I also ordered the little canister that holds denatured alcohol for the Solo, so that is another toy I am excited to play around with!

Looks like the Solo Stove sale is going on for another 14 days...

 
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04/05/2018 08:50PM  
I think if I was out for 2weeks+ then the fuel weight savings would really be worth it.

It may seem silly, but the major detractor for me is all the soot and ash all over the stove/pot. No big deal if you are used to a lot of fire cooking, but I guess my history of mostly using gas backpacking stoves has me somehow only complacent if I am loading my pack with a shiny clean pot with a shiny clean stove nested inside.

I've used a friend's solo, and yes, the stuffsacks are there to contain things- the system is just not my preference I guess. The trangia copy alcohol burner mentioned does work really well with the solo, but alcohol stoves on their own can be so much lighter and simpler than that.
 
mpeebles
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04/05/2018 09:03PM  
I saw one in use a couple of years ago and it worked great. Boiled water pretty quick. I think it was a 180 Stove or something like that. It folds down to a square "pancake" size and is very light. I (borrowed) took it along as a backup on last years solo trip but didn't have to use it. Taking it along this year as well.
.......Mike
 
04/05/2018 09:22PM  
I have not used a twig stove but have wondered about them for a really long trip. I have looked into combo twig, alcohol, solid fuel stoves, but it all starts to add up until ultimately I don't see enough advantage. I'll be interested to hear about your experience with the Solo.

I'm pretty much a KISS guy like GraniteCliffs and HappyHuskies, and the weight of my JetBoil is a small price for the simplicity, speed, and convenience. It takes 1 1/2 minutes to boil water for my dinner and 1 minute (or less) to get water hot enough for my coffee. I have found that a 100g of fuel canister (total weight 7 - 7 1/4 ounces) will burn 30 minutes, so good for over a week for me at 2 coffees and a dinner per day.

I have an old alcohol stove but don't use it much anymore due to the shortcomings and disadvantages. There are some better ones out there today that minimize those. The one that pops up most often is the Caldera Cone system. Here is a link to a review by Andrew Skurka. He suggests packing .5 oz. alcohol for a dinner and .3 oz. for a hot drink, so 1.1 oz. per day for my 2 coffees and one dinner. That would be 8.8 oz. for 8 days plus a .1 oz. fuel measuring device and a .8 oz. re-purposed plastic bottle fuel container, or 9.7 oz. total vs. the 7.125 oz. of my fuel canister. Admittedly, the rest of the stove system - stove, windscreen, pot, pot lifter - weighs about 5 oz. less, but that's comparing titanium to aluminum. On a longer trip (2X) a canister with 2.3X as much fuel will weigh less than twice as much (13.5 oz. or less), while the alcohol will weigh 18.5 oz. and the advantage in weight disappears. No advantage there for me.

I'm still interested in the idea of the twig burner, but not sure if the weight savings would be worth it even on a fairly long trip, especially in relation to the weight of the food!

 
04/06/2018 10:02AM  
Here's another question I've asked myself, which might be relevant to you too, Frenchy.

If I take my Lean on a long trip and leave the tarp behind, would I be comfortable using it in the front of the Lean under the awning? After you use the Solo, I'd be interested in your thoughts on that.
 
04/06/2018 11:11AM  
boonie: "Here's another question I've asked myself, which might be relevant to you too, Frenchy.


If I take my Lean on a long trip and leave the tarp behind, would I be comfortable using it in the front of the Lean under the awning? After you use the Solo, I'd be interested in your thoughts on that. "


That is a good question. Last year was the first time I used a Lean, and I left my tarp behind. It rained 10 out of 11 days as I made my way around Hunters Island, and there were a couple days when I cooked IN the Lean as it was pouring out. That was with my MSR Dragonfly. I would not do that with a twig burner, and I am not sure if I would do it under the awning, either!

This summer will be the first time ever that I have gone without the Dragonfly on any paddling trip. I have a Pocket Rocket and may bring that with one 4 oz canister on my July trip into Clearwater. That trip will be about a week long; a warm up for my July Beaverhouse to Moose Lake meander.


 
04/06/2018 07:12PM  
I don't think I'd do it with a twig burner, although I've never used one. Maybe not an alcohol stove either- there's a reason they're not allowed during fire bans. A solid fuel/esbit stove I don't know enough about . . .
 
04/06/2018 09:45PM  
boonie: "I don't think I'd do it with a twig burner, although I've never used one. Maybe not an alcohol stove either- there's a reason they're not allowed during fire bans. A solid fuel/esbit stove I don't know enough about . . . "


Did not know alcohol stoves were not allowed during a fire ban, but it does make sense.
 
04/07/2018 07:29AM  
I think it is because the fuel is not contained . . . ?

It is also true (from my experience) that can be difficult to tell when they are still burning or have burned out. Hope you don't find out the way I did ;).
 
04/07/2018 10:29AM  
boonie: "I think it is because the fuel is not contained . . . ?


It is also true (from my experience) that can be difficult to tell when they are still burning or have burned out. Hope you don't find out the way I did ;). "


Come on, Boonie-now you have to tell the story! Either you got burned, or you had something not quite cooked...
 
dasunt
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04/07/2018 12:07PM  
I've never used a twig stove. Do modern designs still lead to the bottom of pots getting all sooty?
 
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04/07/2018 12:24PM  
dasunt: "I've never used a twig stove. Do modern designs still lead to the bottom of pots getting all sooty?"

yes, my main problem with them, not that i am a neat freak, but i like my pan clean on the outside.
 
04/07/2018 12:42PM  
Frenchy19: "
boonie: "I think it is because the fuel is not contained . . . ?



It is also true (from my experience) that can be difficult to tell when they are still burning or have burned out. Hope you don't find out the way I did ;). "



Come on, Boonie-now you have to tell the story! Either you got burned, or you had something not quite cooked..."


A man's gotta have some secrets . . .

Let's just say my first aid kit now contains burn bandages and ointment, Frenchy.

Not as bad as
this

A little texture in those camps meals isn't always a bad thing :).
 
04/07/2018 04:30PM  
Oh, man, that video is nasty!

Like you said, we have all done things best kept at bay. One solo, in particular comes to mind...
 
04/07/2018 06:54PM  
Yeah, that's enough to make me queasy at home. ;) I'm not sure I'd do that at home. I'm surprised he went on the trip with a burn that bad on his hand, much less doctored it himself out there. . . .
 
04/08/2018 08:49AM  
boonie: "Here's another question I've asked myself, which might be relevant to you too, Frenchy.


If I take my Lean on a long trip and leave the tarp behind, would I be comfortable using it in the front of the Lean under the awning? After you use the Solo, I'd be interested in your thoughts on that. "


Another thought on this. I am considering bringing a tarp along with the Lean this year. With all the rain I had last year, it would be nice to have a tarp under which to cook. The awning on the Lean is pretty low to the ground and at 5 x 7, it is pretty small as well.

Then again, the point of using the Lean is to eliminate the need for a tarp and bug shelter...although I could bring all three and still save some weight over my BA Copper Spur 2!
 
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04/08/2018 10:33AM  
Frenchy19: "
boonie: "I don't think I'd do it with a twig burner, although I've never used one. Maybe not an alcohol stove either- there's a reason they're not allowed during fire bans. A solid fuel/esbit stove I don't know enough about . . . "



Did not know alcohol stoves were not allowed during a fire ban, but it does make sense. "


Alcohol stoves and other stoves that do not have a mechanical shut off valve to them are not allowed during fire bans.
 
mpeebles
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04/08/2018 11:29AM  
dasunt: "I've never used a twig stove. Do modern designs still lead to the bottom of pots getting all sooty?"


The one we used did. That's one aspect of them that I don't care for either.

.......Mike
 
04/08/2018 06:19PM  
OldFingers57: "
Frenchy19: "
boonie: "I don't think I'd do it with a twig burner, although I've never used one. Maybe not an alcohol stove either- there's a reason they're not allowed during fire bans. A solid fuel/esbit stove I don't know enough about . . . "




Did not know alcohol stoves were not allowed during a fire ban, but it does make sense. "



Alcohol stoves and other stoves that do not have a mechanical shut off valve to them are not allowed during fire bans. "

I did not know this. Maybe 10 years ago I asked the NFS about esbit stoves in regards to fire band and was told they were ok. Things may have changed. But I have also learned that you may get different answers from different sources.
 
mastertangler
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04/08/2018 06:24PM  
I to like the simplicity of canister stoves. But if your going for a long time, 20 plus days, the twig stove makes a lot of sense. And it worked fine and dandy.........I was actually a bit surprised at just how efficient the Solo Stove was. I did like having some chemical fire starter with me though (wet tinder) for any "special" moments where my fuel wasn't dry enough to get it easily rolling or it started to "peter" out due to mismanagement.

I was also a bit bummed at the thought of soot. Not a fan...........but it actually wasn't nearly as disturbing as I thought it would be nor did any soot transfer to the rest of my kit as I thought it might. Pretty much stayed within the confines of the stuff sack.

I would much rather go the twig stove route than the "make a fire" route. Mostly because I believe it is quicker and more efficient.

I have used what I believe to be the ultimate alcohol stove (Caldera cone) but even with alcohol your still carrying fuel for 20 plus days. It weighs a bit and takes up space (which is better used carrying extra fishing lures which never see the water ;-)

 
04/11/2018 06:26AM  
Thanks, MT. I don't like the idea of the soot, nor the additional time/effort, but like the idea of fuel savings. The fuel savings would have to be more than the weight of course, especially if it wasn't one's sole stove. Someday I may try to make one or get a cheap one to try on short trips car camping or something to see how all that works.
 
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04/11/2018 07:36AM  
I have a couple of Solo Stoves and they burn very hot and very clean but still soot up your pans. One trick is to make sure that you have the secondary burn going before you add your pot. It's a little on the heavy side but I like that the pot and stove have their own carrying sacks. The stove nests inside the pot. The only thing that gets dirty is your hands. I know rubbing soap on the outside helps but I don't bother. If there wasn't a chance of a fire ban, and I was going solo, I would bring this as my only stove. It would give me something to do around camp (collecting sticks and keeping it stoked). It would also likely serve as my mini campfire each night (I trip in Sept.). I also have the Emberlit Ti but I haven't tried it yet. That is definitely going with as a backup and in my day trip pack.
 
04/11/2018 09:32AM  
My Solo Stove arrived yesterday. Sturdy little thing! I hope to be able to pay around with it this weekend, but that will depend on the forecast here in the Twin Cites. Right now, it looks like it is again going to be uglier than a goat's ass in this area.
 
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04/12/2018 06:33AM  
I've never looked at one that close before. I'll have to check that out. We have a goat farm nearby that makes some pretty good cheese.

I might check out the Solo Stove as well and return the 180 to b in law. Let us know what you think.

......Mike :)
 
mastertangler
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04/12/2018 02:48PM  
Frenchy19: "My Solo Stove arrived yesterday. Sturdy little thing! I hope to be able to pay around with it this weekend, but that will depend on the forecast here in the Twin Cites. Right now, it looks like it is again going to be uglier than a goat's ass in this area."


Don't be a dope like me and forget to take the inside ring out and turn it upside down on the stove (onto which goes the pan or pot). When i first tried it out I made that mistake and figured I had been hoodwinked "this thing doesn't work"!!

Duh!
 
04/13/2018 09:10AM  
mastertangler: "
Frenchy19: "My Solo Stove arrived yesterday. Sturdy little thing! I hope to be able to pay around with it this weekend, but that will depend on the forecast here in the Twin Cites. Right now, it looks like it is again going to be uglier than a goat's ass in this area."



Don't be a dope like me and forget to take the inside ring out and turn it upside down on the stove (onto which goes the pan or pot). When i first tried it out I made that mistake and figured I had been hoodwinked "this thing doesn't work"!!


Duh! "

I can see myself doing this...I purchased the Solo alcohol insert, and it arrived today. Looking forward to playing with these toys, but we are expecting another 7-15 inches of snow this weekend. This weather is real old...
 
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04/15/2018 04:00PM  
For solo trips I use a home made, 3 lb coffee can stick stove to heat water and as a backup for cooking if my alcohol stove fails. These two in combination have proven light, efficient and very simple for solo trips.

Coffee Can Stick Stove
 
bwcasolo
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04/15/2018 04:21PM  
gkimball: "For solo trips I use a home made, 3 lb coffee can stick stove to heat water and as a backup for cooking if my alcohol stove fails. These two in combination have proven light, efficient and very simple for solo trips.


Coffee Can Stick Stove"

look's hot! glad it works for you, couldn't do with the black pot's, that's just me, looks like a fine water boiling diy, nice job!
 
mastertangler
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04/16/2018 06:53AM  
bwcasolo: "
gkimball: "For solo trips I use a home made, 3 lb coffee can stick stove to heat water and as a backup for cooking if my alcohol stove fails. These two in combination have proven light, efficient and very simple for solo trips.



Coffee Can Stick Stove"

look's hot! glad it works for you, couldn't do with the black pot's, that's just me, looks like a fine water boiling diy, nice job!"


That will work but the physics of the Solo stove are far superior...........the design gasifies the air and a much better burn occurs.

I'm not knocking your stove BTW.........just pointing out that there is a significant difference in design.
 
gkimball
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04/16/2018 08:10AM  
mastertangler: "
bwcasolo: "
gkimball: "For solo trips I use a home made, 3 lb coffee can stick stove to heat water and as a backup for cooking if my alcohol stove fails. These two in combination have proven light, efficient and very simple for solo trips.



Coffee Can Stick Stove"

look's hot! glad it works for you, couldn't do with the black pot's, that's just me, looks like a fine water boiling diy, nice job!"



That will work but the physics of the Solo stove are far superior...........the design gasifies the air and a much better burn occurs.


I'm not knocking your stove BTW.........just pointing out that there is a significant difference in design. "


Absolutely no doubt that someone with a more mechanical mind has made a unit that burns better - but hey, it's cheap! When I decide to quit being such a miser I am interested in the the Firebox Stove - pricey but it gets some good reviews.

I do recommend using a stick stove, whatever make or model. Saves so much stove fuel plus they are fun to use. I haven't used it cooking yet due to the blackened cookware issue. The pot in the picture is the only one that I have used on the stick stove so far.

I like to sit and watch it burn - a simple soloing pleasure? Kind of like having a little campfire for a few minutes.

FireBox Stove
 
04/16/2018 07:31PM  
gkimball: "For solo trips I use a home made, 3 lb coffee can stick stove to heat water and as a backup for cooking if my alcohol stove fails. These two in combination have proven light, efficient and very simple for solo trips.


Coffee Can Stick Stove"


That is awesome!
 
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04/17/2018 07:52PM  
I've been looking at this one for a while:

https://www.silverfire.us/new-for-2014-silverfire-scout-backpacking-bug-out
 
04/22/2018 02:31PM  
Finally got to play with the Solo Stove yesterday. Got a liter to boil in about 10 minutes using pinky size sticks. Tried it with the little alcohol burner that I bought, and the water never came to a boil. Tried the alcohol burner again, this time with a windscreen, and a liter boiled in about 7 minutes.

Fun little toy!

 
04/22/2018 05:03PM  
Well, that's better. How much water will you need to boil at a time on your trip?

The alcohol stoves usually really need the windscreen.
 
04/22/2018 06:47PM  
boonie: "Well, that's better. How much water will you need to boil at a time on your trip?

The alcohol stoves usually really need the windscreen. "


I cannot see the need to boil more than 2 cups max at any given time, and that is only if I bring Mountain House products with me. I find their single servings to be too sparse, and the doubles mostly take 2 C of boiling water.

I want to avoid the prepackaged/store bought food as much as I can, but I have a bunch left over from last year. Hoping to dehydrate more of my own this year as I do not see the need for all the sodium that is in most store bought freeze dried/dehydrated products.
 
04/22/2018 09:17PM  
I hardly ever boil more than a cup and a half when solo. I wonder how long it will take to boil 2 cups with the twigs or alcohol. I was kind of impressed that it boiled a liter in 7 minutes. How much fuel did it take to do that?

The dehydrated meals I buy are mostly pretty low in sodium, but that's definitely the exception compared to Mountain House, etc.
 
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04/23/2018 05:35AM  
boonie: "I hardly ever boil more than a cup and a half when solo. I wonder how long it will take to boil 2 cups with the twigs or alcohol. I was kind of impressed that it boiled a liter in 7 minutes. How much fuel did it take to do that?


The dehydrated meals I buy are mostly pretty low in sodium, but that's definitely the exception compared to Mountain House, etc. "

the fancee feest alcohol stove i use boils 1-2 cups in about 5-6 minutes, with windscreen, and 1 ounce of fuel.
 
04/23/2018 04:21PM  
bwcasolo: "
boonie: "I hardly ever boil more than a cup and a half when solo. I wonder how long it will take to boil 2 cups with the twigs or alcohol. I was kind of impressed that it boiled a liter in 7 minutes. How much fuel did it take to do that?



The dehydrated meals I buy are mostly pretty low in sodium, but that's definitely the exception compared to Mountain House, etc. "

the fancee feest alcohol stove i use boils 1-2 cups in about 5-6 minutes, with windscreen, and 1 ounce of fuel."


I did not measure exactly how much alcohol I had, but it was probably about 2 oz. The canister holds 3 oz, and it was not full. There was still fuel in it at boil point.
 
bwcasolo
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04/24/2018 05:55AM  
Frenchy19: "
bwcasolo: "
boonie: "I hardly ever boil more than a cup and a half when solo. I wonder how long it will take to boil 2 cups with the twigs or alcohol. I was kind of impressed that it boiled a liter in 7 minutes. How much fuel did it take to do that?



The dehydrated meals I buy are mostly pretty low in sodium, but that's definitely the exception compared to Mountain House, etc. "

the fancee feest alcohol stove i use boils 1-2 cups in about 5-6 minutes, with windscreen, and 1 ounce of fuel."



I did not measure exactly how much alcohol I had, but it was probably about 2 oz. The canister holds 3 oz, and it was not full. There was still fuel in it at boil point."

i have a 1 ounce plastic container that nest inside a fancee feest which i can measure before each use. consistent measure and burn time for 2 cups.


 
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04/24/2018 08:51PM  
I brought one last year, planned to use just it. Rain in the forecast made me nervous and no esbit to be found in Ely made me rent a gas stove. Glad I did. Wet wood, longer boil times and knowing the simplicity of just turning a valve was too much for this lazy guy.
 
04/24/2018 09:11PM  
Pdog3: "I brought one last year, planned to use just it. Rain in the forecast made me nervous and no esbit to be found in Ely made me rent a gas stove. Glad I did. Wet wood, longer boil times and knowing the simplicity of just turning a valve was too much for this lazy guy. "


Not lazy at all!
 
04/30/2018 09:42AM  
Has anyone made or seen a commercially available type of bellow for a stick stove?
 
04/30/2018 03:42PM  
AmarilloJim: "Has anyone made or seen a commercially available type of bellow for a stick stove?"


Pretty sure this will work.

Bought one of these a few years ago, and it sure beats fanning with a plate or bending down and blowing on a fire. Cannot see why it would not work with a twig stove.
 
mastertangler
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05/01/2018 06:02AM  
Frenchy a good solid and adjustable wind screen is a good idea. I have used the aluminum ones and those might be fine for backpackers but I much prefer the segmented aluminum panel variety which sort of fold up like an accordion for canoe tripping. Much preferred IMO. Something to think about.
 
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