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BnD
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04/20/2018 07:08PM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
Hot new finesse worm technique for bass. I’m in for 2018. This should address a few issues with wacky rig and shaky worming. Thoughts. Neko Rig
 
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tarnkt
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04/20/2018 07:21PM  
Interesting.

Wacky rigging is one of my favorite ways to fish but it’s pretty tough with any wind. This should solve that, will have to give it a shot.
 
Savage Voyageur
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04/20/2018 10:09PM  
tarnkt: "Interesting.


Wacky rigging is one of my favorite ways to fish but it’s pretty tough with any wind. This should solve that, will have to give it a shot."


I agree also. Thanks guys for giving me this great idea. I will be using this on my trip this year.
 
04/20/2018 10:51PM  
Just what I needed, more tackle. Like Savage said though, as much fun as wacky worm fishing is it is pretty tough in any wind.
 
mgraber
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04/20/2018 11:21PM  
I'm excited about this, thanks for posting .
 
BnD
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04/21/2018 01:12AM  
The thrifty insider tip for neko rig weights are sheet rock screws. Of course they sell neko weights.
 
mastertangler
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04/21/2018 05:30AM  
Whoa! Looks awesome to me. A bit more "retrievable" than a wacky rig.......plus I like the imitation of something feeding.........that sinker making a little "tick" sound and kicking a little sediment up. I'm rigging exactly as shown........impressive.
 
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04/21/2018 07:44AM  
I like the idea of using screws as a weight. A further option would be to texas rig for a weedless presentation. This will be my first time using this rig, so a slight learning curve is to be expected. All part of fishing, right?
 
Savage Voyageur
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04/21/2018 08:52AM  
BnD: "The thrifty insider tip for neko rig weights are sheet rock screws. Of course they sell neko weights."


Oh great, now I need a battery operated screw gun too.
 
retired55
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04/21/2018 02:36PM  
That looks great. Something else to put into the bag of tricks. Thank you for sharing,
 
mastertangler
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04/22/2018 05:32AM  
Savage Voyageur: "
BnD: "The thrifty insider tip for neko rig weights are sheet rock screws. Of course they sell neko weights."



Oh great, now I need a battery operated screw gun too. "


Ha! Good one!

The Neko rig ruined my wife's birthday date yesterday ;-)

No not really, some shopping, a nice dinner and then we seen the movie about the life of Paul (which was excellent). But throughout the day I kept sneaking back to thinking about what i had seen. Really impressive rig.

Naturally I will have to get a small dedicated tackle case just for it along with all the weights and hook sizes. And what about those weights and hooks? Awesome. I can even see going very light with this rig and throwing 6lb fluorocarbon and using a fas snap to bridge the gap between the thickness of the wire hook and the line. Those hooks look primo.........fairly thin wire makes the whole rig a finesse presentation. I see fishing this with a fairly long rod either 7 or 8' for a long sweeping hook set and a longer type cast. Plus the longer rod will have a better tendency to "pop" the bait up off the bottom as opposed to dragging it sideways.

And why oh why do I keep seeing this rig as not only a bass killer but a walleye killer as well. Fishes very much like a jig but with 10 times the action.

I have never been much for trick worms or Wacky rigging but that is about to change. Cant wait to use these on Lake St Clair as we drift chubs for smallies I can cast a Neko rig around. And as soon as my Dad says "you got another one" I will toast BnD for turning me onto this.
 
Mad_Angler
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04/22/2018 02:36PM  
Rig does look promising. I'll get the best and give it a try.
 
carmike
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04/22/2018 11:07PM  
mastertangler: " I can even see going very light with this rig and throwing 6lb fluorocarbon and using a fas snap to bridge the gap between the thickness of the wire hook and the line. "


Is there anything you *won't* fish with a fas snap on light line?!? :)
 
mastertangler
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04/23/2018 06:11AM  
carmike: "
mastertangler: " I can even see going very light with this rig and throwing 6lb fluorocarbon and using a fas snap to bridge the gap between the thickness of the wire hook and the line. "



Is there anything you *won't* fish with a fas snap on light line?!? :) "


Well even though the hooks look to be somewhat light wire I doubt I could get 6lb to tie with 100% strength even with a tie fast tool (but maybe). The fas snap will bridge that gap. I think those hooks are thin enough and super sharp so I could probably still set them even with light line. To me this is a finesse rig and to truly exploit it for big fish, which will likely give this a hard look, I am going to throw light stuff for this work.

I see that Strike King has some trick style worms made of elaztech. I typically use Yamoto's senko type worms for this type of fishing. I have never used the "O" rings before. Does that tend to prevent loss of the worm?

 
QueticoMike
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04/23/2018 07:06AM  
Pretty sure the O rings are used to keep the worm from ripping in half by the hook. With the O ring you don't have to put the hook through the actual lure.Makes it harder for the lure to be lost the hook doesn't get pulled through the lure. Anything made from ElaZtech ( ZMAN made and re-sold to Strike King ) last at least 10 times longer than typical plastic lures.
 
BnD
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04/23/2018 07:19AM  
Without the o-ring you will loose a ton of baits. Basically 1 worm per fish. For backcountry fishing I’ll be using Zman zinkers and worms to save on tackle space and weight. I prefer other brands but waaayyy more fragile. Use the Zman products with o-rings. That’s about the most durable rig I know of for this technique.
 
QueticoMike
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04/23/2018 08:02AM  
BnD: "Without the o-ring you will loose a ton of baits. Basically 1 worm per fish. For backcountry fishing I’ll be using Zman zinkers and worms to save on tackle space and weight. I prefer other brands but waaayyy more fragile. Use the Zman products with o-rings. That’s about the most durable rig I know of for this technique."


Have you tested the ZMAN lures yet? I've heard that the ElaZtech can be difficult with screw in locking hooks, so I assume the screw in weights might be difficult as well. Just curious. I was thinking a Zulu with a typical jig head probably resembles this rig when it hits the lake floor. No sideways, wacky action though when brought off the bottom.

 
BnD
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04/23/2018 09:35AM  
Short answer. Yes I have used Z man plastics. Long answer......There are tricks to use Z man plastic with screw locks. I dont use screw lock weights for Neko Rig.
 
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04/23/2018 10:14AM  
Thanks for the post, BnD.

Going to give this a shot next week on northern Indiana lake. I'm sure I've got some screws about the right size in my garage somewhere. I'll also give it a go with Zulus to see how it works.
 
mastertangler
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04/24/2018 06:12AM  
Spent a little bit of time watching several Utube vids yesterday on the Neko rig. A few comments confirmed my direction. Definitely looked upon as an ultra finesse rig with one fisherman using 10lb braid and 6lb Fluorocarbon leader connected via an FG knot.

Another trick was heating the weight with a bic and then inserting it thus melting the plastic a bit and helping to bond it to the worm.

The other thing I made a mental note was the mention of Bio flex plasma worms a few times. I will definitely be giving these worms a hard look. I have always liked worms which have the tip of their tail lit up a bit with a bright color.
 
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04/24/2018 06:32AM  
Some fisherman will also screw in a spinner at the top (skinny) end of this rig to increase flash and attraction.
 
mastertangler
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04/24/2018 06:36AM  
MeatGun: "Some fisherman will also screw in a spinner at the top (skinny) end of this rig to increase flash and attraction. "


Indeed, I could picture doing that in off color water where that vibration and flash (or color should one choose a colored blade).

I bet channel cats would smack the crap out of this set up especially with a blade attached.

Use the screw lock, attach a tiny swivel and add a little colorado or willow leaf silver spinner and it would imitate a little minnow attacking the worm and when you jigged the worm it would be like it is in agony trying to escape..........a trigger to be sure. I will have to add that to my little Neko tackle box ;-)

Thanks MeatGun, good catch.
 
BnD
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04/24/2018 07:44AM  
Go too far fall off edge. This technique was developed in Japan on insanely pressured lakes. A friend of mine that fishes a lot of tournaments turned me on to it and swears it catches fish anywhere anytime. As for me, I’ll fish it as developed.

BTW, now that I’m past the post, To get a Z man plastic on a screw heat the screw with a lighter. It will screw right in and lock on the bait.
 
mastertangler
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04/24/2018 08:33AM  
BnD: "Go too far fall off edge."


I seem to remember this maxim being applied to sailors of long ago. ;-)

I would probably stick with the rig the way it is (although there are already many variations particularly with the hook) but I will try the little spinner added. At the very least take a wee peek at it. I can picture walleye in the St Clair river liking the addition of a little silver blade, but I could be wrong. Only one way to find out.

Moores Creature baits used to be quite the pike and musky ticket and it was basically a jig with a rubber trailer of sorts but at the very end it had a small colorado spinner right up against the bait. Typically all black with that little sliver spinner at the end of the tail, it had a cult like following and they were hard to get. I managed to snag three.......seems like he has stopped making them.
 
GeoFisher
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04/25/2018 03:49PM  
mastertangler: "
carmike: "
mastertangler: " I can even see going very light with this rig and throwing 6lb fluorocarbon and using a fas snap to bridge the gap between the thickness of the wire hook and the line. "




Is there anything you *won't* fish with a fas snap on light line?!? :) "



Well even though the hooks look to be somewhat light wire I doubt I could get 6lb to tie with 100% strength even with a tie fast tool (but maybe). The fas snap will bridge that gap. I think those hooks are thin enough and super sharp so I could probably still set them even with light line. To me this is a finesse rig and to truly exploit it for big fish, which will likely give this a hard look, I am going to throw light stuff for this work.


I see that Strike King has some trick style worms made of elaztech. I typically use Yamoto's senko type worms for this type of fishing. I have never used the "O" rings before. Does that tend to prevent loss of the worm?


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Have you tried the flouro knot. I get really good results on light line with it.

I regularly use 6lb in the winter and catch quite nice 4-6lb smallies at Dale using it.....
 
mastertangler
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04/25/2018 04:26PM  
Geo wouldn't you think that this rig would shine at Dale Hollow? Seems like it would.

Flouro knot? Never heard of it. Is there a Utube link? I like the FG knot but I am game to try most anything and then judge for myself. I had never before needed to use braid and light fluorocarbon and have been suspicious. But other guys do it and that means I can to.
 
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04/25/2018 07:18PM  
The guy who taught me about adding the blade was a tournament fisherman from Kentucky that liked it a lot on Dale Hollow, Green and the Land between the Lakes area.
 
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04/25/2018 09:08PM  
MeatGun: "Some fisherman will also screw in a spinner at the top (skinny) end of this rig to increase flash and attraction. "


Can you give a little more detail? I'm not quite seeing how one would 'screw in a spinner' such that it would spin/flash. Thanks
 
MeatGun
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04/25/2018 09:56PM  
He would use a small willow blade opposite the nail weight. The component looked like this:
Spring blade screw lock

I can’t really find an online image that matches it exactly, but the first minute of this video shows it pretty well in traditional wacky rigging:

Spinner blade on a wacky rig
 
carmike
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04/25/2018 10:00PM  
I don't know if y'all follow any bass fishermen on YouTube, but TacticalBassin does a very nice rundown of 20 cool things you can do with a senko. One of them is the Neko rig, but they've got some cool modifications you don't see/hear about all that often.

We've been using these for a while. Our luck tends to be better around sparser cover as opposed to weedy areas (I guess that makes sense). They're also fantastic around docks...the extra weight makes them extra skippable.
 
mastertangler
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04/26/2018 04:25AM  
carmike: "I don't know if y'all follow any bass fishermen on YouTube, but TacticalBassin does a very nice rundown of 20 cool things you can do with a senko. One of them is the Neko rig, but they've got some cool modifications you don't see/hear about all that often.


We've been using these for a while. Our luck tends to be better around sparser cover as opposed to weedy areas (I guess that makes sense). They're also fantastic around docks...the extra weight makes them extra skippable. "


Groovy big Daddy...........seems like I am behind the curve on this one. I guess thats what happens when you dunk meat (chubs). We usually limit out in 1/2 day with creek chubs but I am starting to miss working a bait.

I am going to be really curious to see how the walleye respond to this bait. The St Clair river is quite clear and moves along at a steady clip. I can see slipping with 10lb braid and 6lb fluorocarbon and cleaning up using plasma tail worms. Ah, the best laid plans of mice and men ;-) But summer is coming and that means I only have to work Friday through Monday. Oh yea! Enough of this 7 days a week for months at a time, blah!
 
mastertangler
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05/07/2018 03:26PM  
Just placed my Neko rig order. Not sure what to fish with so I just got one pak of everything.........hooks, sinkers, various O rings and tool. New ground for me. I also ordered a few packs of Bio spawn plasma tail rubber worms in 6.5". They look kinda groovy and have a bit of a "buzz" about them.

For sure I will be dropping them for smallies on St Clair but will try them at Fontana dam park if my wife will let me fish a bit. Staying at Smoky Mountain lodge for several days. Not sure if smallies are there or not. Anybody been there (Fontana dam)?

And I am tinkering with taking them to WCPP. Might be a good option.
 
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05/07/2018 11:45PM  
mastertangler: "Geo wouldn't you think that this rig would shine at Dale Hollow? Seems like it would.


Flouro knot? Never heard of it. Is there a Utube link? I like the FG knot but I am game to try most anything and then judge for myself. I had never before needed to use braid and light fluorocarbon and have been suspicious. But other guys do it and that means I can to. "


The Floro knot

Flouro Knot

And yea, the Neko is good at Dale and KY Lake, when it clears up...... :)
 
mastertangler
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05/08/2018 06:00AM  
GeoFisher: "
mastertangler: "Geo wouldn't you think that this rig would shine at Dale Hollow? Seems like it would.



Flouro knot? Never heard of it. Is there a Utube link? I like the FG knot but I am game to try most anything and then judge for myself. I had never before needed to use braid and light fluorocarbon and have been suspicious. But other guys do it and that means I can to. "



The Floro knot


Flouro Knot


And yea, the Neko is good at Dale and KY Lake, when it clears up...... :) "


Ha! Thats the Gryp knot that I advocate tied without using the tie fast tool. A big difference was the double line, thats interesting. I do not quickly discount what the pros use. The only drawback, and its slight, is a bit bulkier knot with 3 tag ends. Once in a while I have fluorocarbon not stick with the Gryp knot. I will put the double line strategy in my back pocket for an alternate method. Indeed, the Gryp knot or the Flouro knot (whatever you prefer to call it) shines with Fluorocarbon. Glad to see I am fishing like one of the greats.........Grigsby has always been one of my favs.

This knot has been around for a very long time. Offshore its called the "Mates Knot" and every mate on every charter boat ties it religiously but they use their thumb to wrap the line around. With smaller lb tests I find the tie Fast tool a great help to tie perfect knots. Thanks Geo for putting that up.
 
Mad_Angler
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05/08/2018 07:36AM  
What about a trip in a few weeks? Do you think Nekos will work in really cold water?
 
carmike
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05/08/2018 09:05AM  
The Neko shines in areas where the fish have seen millions and millions of t-rigged and wacky-rigged senkos. I'm *sure* they'd work in the BWCA/Q, but the fish there are not nearly as pressured, especially by guys throwing senkos, so if you can get them on a Neko, you can probably also get them on a senko, rigged however you want, without anything fancy or any added weight.

Of course, the added weight does allow you to fish deeper, but that's not always necessary early in the season.

 
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05/08/2018 11:10AM  
carmike: "The Neko shines in areas where the fish have seen millions and millions of t-rigged and wacky-rigged senkos. I'm *sure* they'd work in the BWCA/Q, but the fish there are not nearly as pressured, especially by guys throwing senkos, so if you can get them on a Neko, you can probably also get them on a senko, rigged however you want, without anything fancy or any added weight.


Of course, the added weight does allow you to fish deeper, but that's not always necessary early in the season.


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I think your last sentence is correct regarding the early season. And I generally buy your premise that pressure/lack of pressure is a factor in deciding on yet another new technique. Nevertheless, as I look ahead to July/August when the fish are on the deeper reefs (15-25 feet), this looks to me like a dynamite option in lieu of live bait.
 
mastertangler
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05/08/2018 11:42AM  
I dunno.......the Neko seems to me to be a different presentation than wacky rigs despite the glaring similarities. The Neko takes on a whole lot more of a jig presentation than a slow drifting trick worm. I see using them completely differently than senkos.
 
carmike
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05/08/2018 04:56PM  
Fishing a Neko rig in 20+ ft of water is going to take some patience out of a canoe (and good luck if there's any wind). Your mileage may vary, but I would throw a drop shot, jig, swimbait, Jig Rap, and/or jigworm long before fiddling with a Neko in those depths.

Yes, it's obviously a different presentation than a "basic" wacky. And as I said, I'm *sure* it'll work. But this is generally a finesse presentation (guys in my fishing league do throw them with weights of up to 1/2 oz., but dragging that on the bottom in the BWCA would be a real challenge) designed for pressured and/or inactive fish. Those (usually) aren't the BWCA/Q bass I know.

If I were you, barehook, fishing those deep reefs in the middle of summer, I'd tie on a drop shot using a few split shot for weight. Add a few/Take a few off depending on depth, wind, etc. That way, you will only lose the weights when the inevitable snag happens, and you're probably throwing it to fish that have never seen one before (or snap jig a Jigging Rap and see if you catch a walleye, trout, or bass first).

Of course, if you want to add another tool to the toolbox and have some fun messing around with a new rig, then have at it. They're a very cool rig, and they will sometimes work when nothing else will.
 
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05/10/2018 05:03AM  
This is something that's on my list.
You can bet that I will be using sheet rock screws and wont be buying Neko specific hooks either.
 
mastertangler
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05/10/2018 07:14AM  
Lotw: "This is something that's on my list.
You can bet that I will be using sheet rock screws and wont be buying Neko specific hooks either.
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Whats up with that? Sheet rock screws? Non specific Neko hooks? Is it really a Neko rig then?

And just who is this Neko cat anyways? Sounds sort of like a Japanese nickname to me..........I haven't trusted the Japanese since Dec 7 and yet here we are ;-)

In any event I am doing my part to help the economy and MAGA by dropping $53 on my Neko stuff.......good thing I qualified for free shipping. More hooks, sinkers and plastics which will probably sit in one of my endless boxes of fishing gear for the next decade. A momentary pang of pleasure at opening yet another box in the mail and some envisioning of good intentions only to get swallowed up in the omnipresent demands of work............speaking of work ;-)
 
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05/10/2018 09:24AM  
I may see if I can locate the sheet rock screws in my office (magnet?) and use them.....save me more money

I also wondered who Neko was? I was thinking Finlander not Japanese but I don't trust Fins either.
 
mastertangler
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05/10/2018 09:58AM  
Lotw: "I may see if I can locate the sheet rock screws in my office (magnet?) and use them.....save me more money


I also wondered who Neko was? I was thinking Finlander not Japanese but I don't trust Fins either. "


By George your right, Neko doesn't sound Japanese at all! What it does sound like is something I would name a Kitty Kat. Japanese or the Fins? I suppose it doesn't matter, they both know fishing thats for sure!

I always sort of liked the Fins. They certainly gave the Soviets one helluva a tough go of it during WW2 while the Brits and Americans stood idly by. Good, hardy, freedom loving people. I have known a few in the U.P. of Michigan.......good story tellers, very dramatic, entertaining and fun to be around. Usually have a good work ethic.
 
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05/15/2018 06:44AM  
The Neko Care Package arrived yesterday. I'm lit up (think "Sailfish eyeing a Goggle eye") and quite excited to fish this stuff.

The hooks are my new favorites. Offset ever so slightly with impressive reviews and fine wire. The #6 will be my new Lunkers love night crawlers hook replacing the venerable #8 style 214 eagle claw. A little bigger but I think that might be alright. Still fine enough where I can tie 4lb XT with no issues.

This has opened up a new world and I am already tinkering. Last night I rigged an Octo Mugambo grub with a 5/16 half moon weight and a 2/0 Neko hook. If I were a big walleye or a Laker I would eat that. Looks like a huge leech..............A deepwater jigging presentation or a rig which I could fish fairly efficiently by casting and quickly jumping it down a break. Lift and drop, lift and drop, bang!

I have yet to find anything about guys catching walleye with these. But I know its out there, gotta be. Of course a walleye would eat these Neko rigs. Why wouldn't they?
 
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07/26/2018 01:35PM  
Absolutely crushed the big smallies on St Clair including several very fat 20" fish. Most were caught on creek chubs (cheating) but 3 fish out our limit were caught on the Neko rig including one nice walleye.

I knew the Neko rig would take walleye.......of course it would!
 
carmike
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07/28/2018 10:02PM  
Yeah, it's kind of funny hearing how many big walleye the bass guys get in their tourneys. The fish definitely like similar water, at least some of the time.

I don't think it's allowed in tournaments, but I bet I could compete in some of the big bass tourneys (at least on Mille Lacs) by pulling leadcore on the rock/mud transitions. Absolutely killer for tanker smallies.
 
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07/29/2018 08:29AM  
MeatGun: "He would use a small willow blade opposite the nail weight. The component looked like this:
Spring blade screw lock


I can’t really find an online image that matches it exactly, but the first minute of this video shows it pretty well in traditional wacky rigging:


Spinner blade on a wacky rig "



Thanks for the links and great tip. I just ordered a pack of those blades, and some half moon wacky weights. I can’t wait to try them out.
 
mastertangler
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07/29/2018 09:20AM  
carmike: "Yeah, it's kind of funny hearing how many big walleye the bass guys get in their tourneys. The fish definitely like similar water, at least some of the time.


I don't think it's allowed in tournaments, but I bet I could compete in some of the big bass tourneys (at least on Mille Lacs) by pulling leadcore on the rock/mud transitions. Absolutely killer for tanker smallies. "


I ran the newish suffix lead core in Isle Royale with fairly good results. I was less impressed with the "fun factor" however with the lead core. But I am a pragmatist and like to use "what works".

I will eventually probably use the stuff again. What do you like pulling for the aforementioned tanker SmallIes with lead core? If you are less than comfy revealing your pet presentation my email is claybygibson@comcast.net
 
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08/08/2019 09:47PM  
This thread brought my attention to the Neko rig. Absolutely slayed the walleye on Poo Bah and Darky with this thing (last week of July). Hottest walleye lure I've ever used in Quetico.
 
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08/09/2019 08:33AM  
BnD: "The thrifty insider tip for neko rig weights are sheet rock screws. Of course they sell neko weights."

I was thinking the same thing while watching the video. The O ring is also an off the shelf item once you know the diameter. No need for the O-ring tool either. I may try this next month.
 
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08/09/2019 09:15PM  
What bait and what color did you use? I've really had luck with Z-man's bang stick in green pumpkin.
 
mgraber
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08/11/2019 07:18PM  
dango: "This thread brought my attention to the Neko rig. Absolutely slayed the walleye on Poo Bah and Darky with this thing (last week of July). Hottest walleye lure I've ever used in Quetico."


What color?
 
Mad_Angler
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08/12/2019 09:33AM  
dango: "This thread brought my attention to the Neko rig. Absolutely slayed the walleye on Poo Bah and Darky with this thing (last week of July). Hottest walleye lure I've ever used in Quetico."


For walleye, what size Senko's did you use? I'm assuming that you used slightly smaller Senkos like 3 or 4 inches. But you know what happens when you assume...
 
dango
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08/15/2019 10:06PM  
5 inch ZinkerZ. Green pumpkin and a few other darker colors. Seriously incredible to jig with.
 
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