-36 below zero overnight just outside of Ely. This should help firm up the slush.

that's some brutal temps to my southern blood!

ellahallely: "-36 below zero overnight just outside of Ely. This should help firm up the slush.
"

Keeps out the riff-raff....

-42 at Kabetogama and -40 at Togo this morn.

I'm in Walker today and it got up to -10. I was going to go mountain biking with the wife today, but it was too hot. Instead we decided to go innertubing down the Boy River to cool off.

Always good to have a plan B.

LindenTree: "I'm in Walker today and it got up to -10.
I was going to go mountian biking with the wife today but it was Too Hot. Instead we decided to go innertubing down the Boy River to cool off.


Alaways good to have a plan B."

LT is funny!

My Dad - may he rest in peace - lived in International Falls the last 20 years of his life.
He once sent me a post card that said, "It's been up in the single digits three days in a row now. We keep hoping and praying this heat wave will come to an end."

there is a likely chance of -50F to even colder in the prone areas of NE MN over the next 1-2 weeks. The pattern is quite similar to late Jan - early Feb of 1996. Anyone that is a climate junkie knows what that means..

Helps you appreciate those cool May evenings around the fire.

-54F Wind Chill at 4:15 AM in Ely. -29F with wind at 12 MPH. That is some serious lack of watts per square meter of temp energy when one understands exactly what the wind chill measures.

WhiteWolf: "there is a likely chance of -50F to even colder in the prone areas of NE MN over the next 1-2 weeks. The pattern is quite similar to late Jan - early Feb of 1996. Anyone that is a climate junkie knows what that means.."

You were talking about this a few weeks ago and BAM- here it comes.
I remember that winter in 1996 very well. And it was indeed the coldest air I've ever inhaled.

As much as so many people hate the cold, it makes our environment what it is. What I mean is the flora and fauna we see and admire in the wild are the results of cold.

Tom

The wind quit blowing and the thermometer dropped to -38. -40 at Crane Lake

I also remember 1996 well. I was at a friends 20 miles north of Finland for the week. Most days it warmed up to -25 in the sun. We didn't see -60 but we saw in the -50s. The snow was insane that year also, about 15 feet of light fluff along the North Shore ridge. Much of it lake effect- then the big lake froze.

ellahallely: "The wind quit blowing and the thermometer dropped to -38. -40 at Crane Lake

I also remember 1996 well. I was at a friends 20 miles north of Finland for the week. Most days it warmed up to -25 in the sun. We didn't see -60 but we saw in the -50s. The snow was insane that year also, about 15 feet of light fluff along the North Shore ridge. Much of it lake effect- then the big lake froze."

Yeh what memories,I was working outside one day than and touched my plastic eyeglass frame nd it cracked.

Today we have a balmy -20 degrees F. and hope it gets hot by noon up to zero so I can go cross country skiing.

You know they say out west Bighorn sheep need some cold weather because it helps kill their lungworms. Its not all bad.

1995-6 was a little harder than 1996-7 on the animals etc.

Winter camping in 95-96 it was one of the few times I seen White Pine and some Red pine the needles turn brown on even 200 year old trees due to dehydration-cold temperatures. Skiing up in the BWCA you would look out and those big trees had much brown with some green left. Those trees mainly did survive but I can understand your big pine tree forests decline as you go north.

Also those two winters were the winters that Canada Jays almost disappeared because of the cold. We had one fly into camp in the BWCA got a few little crumbs from us than fell dead right in camp. He starve to death. Just to cold for the food supply. I don't think the jays ever recovered to their old numbers.

Even North of Brainerd 40 miles 90% of the fawns died in 1995-96 and some areas 50% of the does because of deep early snow and cold.

ellahallely: "The wind quit blowing and the thermometer dropped to -38. -40 at Crane Lake

I also remember 1996 well. I was at a friends 20 miles north of Finland for the week. Most days it warmed up to -25 in the sun. We didn't see -60 but we saw in the -50s. The snow was insane that year also, about 15 feet of light fluff along the North Shore ridge. Much of it lake effect- then the big lake froze."

You up north with your plane?

If so I bet she is really performing in this thick air with skis on.

LindenTree: "

ellahallely: "The wind quit blowing and the thermometer dropped to -38. -40 at Crane Lake


I also remember 1996 well. I was at a friends 20 miles north of Finland for the week. Most days it warmed up to -25 in the sun. We didn't see -60 but we saw in the -50s. The snow was insane that year also, about 15 feet of light fluff along the North Shore ridge. Much of it lake effect- then the big lake froze."

You up north with your plane?


If so I bet she is really performing in this thick air with skis on."

I hope ellahall has a good heater in that plane. Flew with a friend in cold weather and you literally had to dress for very cold weather. Very poor heater and a little drafty.

Yes and you are right the prop gets a good bite in thick air. Also 400 lbs lighter with skis and way less drag. It is a real hot rod. But most important it has a good heater. I plug the engine in anything below freezing (20w50 oil) and the cockpit has a space heater. Cheers! JIM P.

Several -40 and below readings from Kabetogama to Gunflint. Cotton had -46.

95 - 96 took a break from our regular routine of work and shoveled roofs. Many times snow as high as I am tall. Our lake here rose about 5 ft with the extra amount of snowfall. I remember driving up from Cloquet and shoveling off the cabin roof. I couldn’t believe it didn’t collapse.
Reclining a chimney required me to remove the old flu tiles. It go up with my tile breaker and chew out some then go down and clean out what I’d got. When it got to -20 I didn’t need a jacket to go outside... now I’ve come to grips with global warming... I put on layers of clothes until I look like a globe.

ellahallely: "Yes and you are right the prop gets a good bite in thick air. Also 400 lbs lighter with skis and way less drag. It is a real hot rod. But most important it has a good heater. I plug the engine in anything below freezing (20w50 oil) and the cockpit has a space heater. Cheers! JIM P. "

This is what I want my retirement to look like :)....staring out that window, drinking coffee in the winter time.

HighnDry: "

ellahallely: "Yes and you are right the prop gets a good bite in thick air. Also 400 lbs lighter with skis and way less drag. It is a real hot rod. But most important it has a good heater. I plug the engine in anything below freezing (20w50 oil) and the cockpit has a space heater. Cheers! JIM P. "

This is what I want my retirement to look like :)....staring out that window, drinking coffee in the winter time."

No little about flying but the pilot I flew with was careful about fuel lines freezing. They must use a winter blend?

ellahallely: "Yes and you are right the prop gets a good bite in thick air. Also 400 lbs lighter with skis and way less drag. It is a real hot rod. But most important it has a good heater. I plug the engine in anything below freezing (20w50 oil) and the cockpit has a space heater. Cheers! JIM P. "

LOVE that pic! In college, I was doing solo cross country trips, but I ran out of money before I got my license despite working a couple jobs while going to school full-time.

Wish I was retired, have to go to work in the morning.

No winter blend fuel. For the most part the high quality control keeps water out of the fuel. There are five drains or sumps on low parts of the fuel system. I drain and check them before every flight and after refueling. I have never encountered water. If a pilot finds water it would most likely be from where they bought it. Not in manufacturing or transportation. The pumps also have water separating filters.Today it would be ice. No alcohol in av gas.

I'm planning to buy a home on Lake of the Woods someday, so I read this temp threads with great interest.

ellahallely: "Wish I was retired, have to go to work in the morning.

No winter blend fuel. For the most part the high quality control keeps water out of the fuel. There are five drains or sumps on low parts of the fuel system. I drain and check them before every flight and after refueling. I have never encountered water. If a pilot finds water it would most likely be from where they bought it. Not in manufacturing or transportation. The pumps also have water separating filters.Today it would be ice. No alcohol in av gas."

Yeh, I saw my friend routinely check and drain the lines.

missmolly: "I'm planning to buy a home on Lake of the Woods someday, so I read this temp threads with great interest. "

Why LOWs?
To me -40 doesn't feel that much different then -10. Wind is what makes it tuff. And the wind blows on LOWs.

ellahallely: "

missmolly: "I'm planning to buy a home on Lake of the Woods someday, so I read this temp threads with great interest. "

Why LOWs?
To me -40 doesn't feel that much different then -10. Wind is what makes it tuff. And the wind blows on LOWs."

Up to a point real cold temps on the skin feel the same as real hot temps. Maybe my skin is a little strange.
If it is not windy a -10 degrees F. is fine with with to go outside and play.

ellahallely: "

missmolly: "I'm planning to buy a home on Lake of the Woods someday, so I read this temp threads with great interest. "

Why LOWs?
To me -40 doesn't feel that much different then -10. Wind is what makes it tuff. And the wind blows on LOWs."

I considered International Falls, but I don't want to smell the paper mill. What do you suggest? I want to be close to northwestern Ontario and I also want to be on water. Also, to be frank, my plan is also to winter over in the Bahamas or Greece or Tuscany. If this sounds like I'm rich, I'm not. You can rent a basic apartment in a warm place for $1,000 to $2,000 a month.

Not suggesting it was not a good choice, was just curious. I like anywhere from Lake of the Woods to Superior and down to Duluth. You can't go wrong.

ellahallely: "Not suggesting it was not a good choice, was just curious. I like anywhere from Lake of the Woods to Superior and down to Duluth. You can't go wrong."

Dang it! I was hoping you were going to tell me the best lake.

Without looking it up - lazy right now being off work - I remember the winter of 95-96 as snowy and cold . but really only extreme in JAN and early FEB and I think FEB actually ended up avg close to normal for the same locales that broke records in Early Feb. Another doozie of a month was Jan 94 that gets lost. I remember 96-97 as somewhat cold but EXTREMELY Snowy- especially in West Central to NW MN with blizzard after blizzard that shut down I-94 between The Cities and Fargo on nearly a weekly basis for 6 weeks straight. Pretty sure that winter a widow had to be rescued by a front end loader because her house was literally drifted shut and she couldn't get out. Also- the Spring of 97' brought the horrific Flood of the mighty RED- from snow melt , and during the Flood they got another blizzard- and when Grand Forks ( or maybe it was E. GF) that burned in the flood.


I love talking old school (jeez I am getting old) weather but especially with those whom experienced it. I have on tape my Grandpa and Grandma talking about how terrible the dust bowl was in 34 and 36 and the brutal FEB of 1936 which is still the coldest FEB ever recorded for many areas in the Upper Midwest only to be followed 5 months later with warmest month ever recorded for the same places.

WhiteWolf: "Without looking it up - lazy right now being off work - I remember the winter of 95-96 as snowy and cold . but really only extreme in JAN and early FEB and I think FEB actually ended up avg close to normal for the same locales that broke records in Early Feb. Another doozie of a month was Jan 94 that gets lost. I remember 96-97 as somewhat cold but EXTREMELY Snowy- especially in West Central to NW MN with blizzard after blizzard that shut down I-94 between The Cities and Fargo on nearly a weekly basis for 6 weeks straight. Pretty sure that winter a widow had to be rescued by a front end loader because her house was literally drifted shut and she couldn't get out. Also- the Spring of 97' brought the horrific Flood of the mighty RED- from snow melt , and during the Flood they got another blizzard- and when Grand Forks ( or maybe it was E. GF) that burned in the flood.



I love talking old school (jeez I am getting old) weather but especially with those whom experienced it. I have on tape my Grandpa and Grandma talking about how terrible the dust bowl was in 34 and 36 and the brutal FEB of 1936 which is still the coldest FEB ever recorded for many areas in the Upper Midwest only to be followed 5 months later with warmest month ever recorded for the same places.
"

Way cool stuff, WW. My grandparents got married in 1936 in Minneapolis. That summer folks were sleeping in the parks because the nights were so hot.

1994 and 1996 did have some very cold weather. The 1996 cold wave got to -42 F at my house, which is very cold for the North Shore Highlands because the cold tends to drain downslope toward the lake and not pool and cool like it does farther inland. Twenty miles from my house low temps were typically in the -50s F in late Jan/early Feb.

I don't think that Minnesota has seen a -50 F temp since 2005. We're over due...

Awesome cross country skiing in the fresh snow today before cold snap arrives this weekend. No mosquitoes or deer ticks today in the woods. That's nice.

arctic: "

WhiteWolf: "Without looking it up - lazy right now being off work - I remember the winter of 95-96 as snowy and cold . but really only extreme in JAN and early FEB and I think FEB actually ended up avg close to normal for the same locales that broke records in Early Feb. Another doozie of a month was Jan 94 that gets lost. I remember 96-97 as somewhat cold but EXTREMELY Snowy- especially in West Central to NW MN with blizzard after blizzard that shut down I-94 between The Cities and Fargo on nearly a weekly basis for 6 weeks straight. Pretty sure that winter a widow had to be rescued by a front end loader because her house was literally drifted shut and she couldn't get out. Also- the Spring of 97' brought the horrific Flood of the mighty RED- from snow melt , and during the Flood they got another blizzard- and when Grand Forks ( or maybe it was E. GF) that burned in the flood.



I love talking old school (jeez I am getting old) weather but especially with those whom experienced it. I have on tape my Grandpa and Grandma talking about how terrible the dust bowl was in 34 and 36 and the brutal FEB of 1936 which is still the coldest FEB ever recorded for many areas in the Upper Midwest only to be followed 5 months later with warmest month ever recorded for the same places.
"

Way cool stuff, WW. My grandparents got married in 1936 in Minneapolis. That summer folks were sleeping in the parks because the nights were so hot.


1994 and 1996 did have some very cold weather. The 1996 cold wave got to -42 F at my house, which is very cold for the North Shore Highlands because the cold tends to drain downslope toward the lake and not pool and cool like it does farther inland. Twenty miles from my house low temps were typically in the -50s F in late Jan/early Feb.


I don't think that Minnesota has seen a -50 F temp since 2005. We're over due..."

Cool anecdote, Arctic! I wish I'd been there. I'm guessing it was pretty festive, an open air sleepover.

It’s cold all over! 36 degrees with strong winds are testing us winter campers in southwest Arizona. I’m glad I brought my warmest parka and Sorel boots. California neighbors are wishing they would have bought insulated Eskimo Ice Shelters this morning. Although Mike’s Weather Rock doesn’t give temperatures it covers everything else.

I was somewhere near I-falls on a group snowmobiling trip in the mid 90's and the temp was -60 or -61 one morning. Most of the guys could not pull start their sleds because the engines were so stiff. They were having to double up on the pull chords. We were crazy to be out in that weather. I am glad that global warming has taken hold.

Yeh I worked outside that week. But we had only -45 degrees F. in Brainerd. Pretty hot.

Today is going to be a cold one with a strong wind blowing and highs below zero.

Coldest temperature recorded in Minnesota was -60 on February 2, 1996- and that took a bit of coaxing to achieve (in a low spot near Tower). All time record for I-falls was -55 on January 6, 1909.

Noon sunrise @-57



Sunrise outside Ely @-47

Banksiana: "Coldest temperature recorded in Minnesota was -60 on February 2, 1996- and that took a bit of coaxing to achieve (in a low spot near Tower). All time record for I-falls was -55 on January 6, 1909.

Noon sunrise @-57"

Yeh I think Embarrass Mn their thermometer broke that day. Otherwise they would still hold the record.

Banksiana: "Coldest temperature recorded in Minnesota was -60 on February 2, 1996- and that took a bit of coaxing to achieve (in a low spot near Tower). All time record for I-falls was -55 on January 6, 1909.

Noon sunrise @-57



Sunrise outside Ely @-47"

That first pic must be Alaska, are you a sloper?

LindenTree: "


That first pic must be Alaska, are you a sloper?"

Guilty as charged.

If I am not mistaken- I think Tower hit -60F twice 1996. 2nd and 3rd or 1st and 2nd that month. I thought I read it somewhere but could be totally wrong. Des Moines NWS in their morning area forecast discussion just a few hours ago used the word "unprecedented" cold coming middle of next week and a well respected TV met used a graphic last night "Coldest air(?) in 50 years?"

I doubt both. Not to say this airmass coming is not BRUTAL cold, but I don't see anything challenging 1996 here in DSM. Back to back highs of -9F with lows of -24F and -26F on the 2nd and 3rd and the -26F is 2nd only to the -30F Jan 5th 1884 , which was measured in a river valley at Fort Des Moines. I do think though that areas of WI will flirt with a potential state record low as the coldest of air looks to directly impact them as of this writing. (Couderay, Feb 4th, 1996 -55F ) - I said flirt. They would need a lot more snow on the ground to even flirt, but it appears to be coming. N.IL (Chicago) also has chances to break some records- interesting tidbit from Chi NWS this AM-- To put some perspective on this potential cold, only eight times
since 1872 has Chicago recorded sub-zero highs on at least two
consecutive days, the most recent being early February 1996.

Even my wife whom lived here at the time (96') knows what REAL black ice is. The kind where your auto exhaust freezes instantly on the roadways. Scary stuff but doesn't happen unless temps are -20F or so or colder and heavy traffic.

We have a nice sunny morning in the Mille lacs area and -27 dgrees F.. But no wind so I am fine with it.

We have in Brainerd the 10,000 people ice tournament on Gull lake by Brainerd tomorrow and it is out in the open. Those people are going to freeze if they don't have proper clothing. Some will anyhow. No I stay away from there. Too many people for me.

Okay folks or Beer Scientists what temp does beer freeze at?

It’s tough all over. Here on the shore of California’s Salton Sea 236 feet below sea level we are suffering through a Solar Vortex! The sun relentlessly bakes the caked earth and your lips day after day! I’m overdosing on vitamin D! It’s already 70 degrees at 10:00am. I have to look at Banksiana’s -57 photo just to cool off. Good luck to the ice fisherman in Brainerd tomorrow! It sounds fun!

The US Pond Hockey Championships are this weekend on Lake Nokomis in Minneapolis. They’re playing right now, and the real temp was -12 at the start of the first game. Not sure about windchills (guessing in the -30 range on the lake), I’ll bet the people selling foot and hand warmers outside are making a killing! The beer tent is probably crushing it too!

My 7 and 5 year old have an outdoor hockey tourney tomorrow morning. We’ll be running on hot soup, hot cocoa and plenty of foot and hand warmers!!! I love Minnesota!

I got some side-eye from the neighbor because I wasn’t driving my son to school today. When did people get so fragile about the cold? Bundle up and you’ll be fine. My kid was probably sweating when he got to school. Hopping off the soapbox now...

Tony

Pinetree: "We have a nice sunny morning in the Mille lacs area and -27 dgrees F.. But no wind so I am fine with it.


We have in Brainerd the 10,000 people ice tournament on Gull lake by Brainerd tomorrow and it is out in the open. Those people are going to freeze if they don't have proper clothing. Some will anyhow. No I stay away from there. Too many people for me.


Okay folks or Beer Scientists what temp does beer freeze at?
"

Probably depends on the alcohol content, and possibly some other ingredients.

I'm going to guess your average macro-brewed light-ish beer with a 4.5% abv freezes at about 22 degrees.

That's a guess based on personal experience, standing around at tailgates and other such things trying to drink beer (sometimes frozen beer) in the cold.

Zulu: " It’s cold all over! 36 degrees with strong winds are testing us winter campers in southwest Arizona. I’m glad I brought my warmest parka and Sorel boots. California neighbors are wishing they would have bought insulated Eskimo Ice Shelters this morning. Although Mike’s Weather Rock doesn’t give temperatures it covers everything else. "

Hang in there pat... I feel your pain. You dress warmer at 36 above then some here at -36. Haha.

Well we could all jump on a plane and head to Australia-

Jan. 25,2019
At least 28 locations hit all-time highs on Thursday. In Adelaide, the capital of South Australia, the official West Terrace station rocketed to 46.6°C (115.9°F)—the highest temperature ever recorded at the designated reporting sites for any of Australia’s state or territorial capitals. About 200 miles away, the city of Port Augusta hit its all-time high on Thursday with a blistering 49.5°C (121.1°F).

Some people can't imagine -30 degrees F. or colder I can't imagine 120 degrees F.?

anthonyp007: "The US Pond Hockey Championships are this weekend on Lake Nokomis in Minneapolis. They’re playing right now, and the real temp was -12 at the start of the first game. Not sure about windchills (guessing in the -30 range on the lake), I’ll bet the people selling foot and hand warmers outside are making a killing! The beer tent is probably crushing it too!


My 7 and 5 year old have an outdoor hockey tourney tomorrow morning. We’ll be running on hot soup, hot cocoa and plenty of foot and hand warmers!!! I love Minnesota!


I got some side-eye from the neighbor because I wasn’t driving my son to school today. When did people get so fragile about the cold? Bundle up and you’ll be fine. My kid was probably sweating when he got to school. Hopping off the soapbox now...


Tony"

Plus, when you're a coddled kid, you'll have crappy stories to tell when you're a codger. This just doesn't pop any corks: "When I was a kid, we had to walk seven feet through an unheated to garage to the car's door. And that car was cold!"

missmolly: "

anthonyp007: "The US Pond Hockey Championships are this weekend on Lake Nokomis in Minneapolis. They’re playing right now, and the real temp was -12 at the start of the first game. Not sure about windchills (guessing in the -30 range on the lake), I’ll bet the people selling foot and hand warmers outside are making a killing! The beer tent is probably crushing it too!



My 7 and 5 year old have an outdoor hockey tourney tomorrow morning. We’ll be running on hot soup, hot cocoa and plenty of foot and hand warmers!!! I love Minnesota!



I got some side-eye from the neighbor because I wasn’t driving my son to school today. When did people get so fragile about the cold? Bundle up and you’ll be fine. My kid was probably sweating when he got to school. Hopping off the soapbox now...



Tony"

Plus, when you're a coddled kid, you'll have crappy stories to tell when you're a codger. This just doesn't pop any corks: "When I was a kid, we had to walk seven feet through an unheated to garage to the car's door. And that car was cold!" "

Yea, I double dog dare the coddled kid to beat my childhood stories of growing up on a farm and having to deal with a broken manure spreader or barn cleaner when its -10.

WW, I remember 1996 quite fondly. As everyone else was frustrated their cars would not start, my Buick Regal that sat outside all day everyday, started every morning without hesitation. I miss that car and its superhero battery.

Pinetree: "

Banksiana: "Coldest temperature recorded in Minnesota was -60 on February 2, 1996- and that took a bit of coaxing to achieve (in a low spot near Tower). All time record for I-falls was -55 on January 6, 1909.


Noon sunrise @-57"

Yeh I think Embarrass Mn their thermometer broke that day. Otherwise they would still hold the record."

Yes, their official thermometer broke, an unofficial thermometer that was later validated read -64, but the record isn't recognized since the backup thermometer was not in a box.

Balmy 7 deg here in central Indiana this morning, a lot of 2 hr school delays, its so much warmer at 8:30 than 6:30. I walked 6/10 of a mile to the bus stop in grade school in the 60's rain or shine. Kids are being made soft these days.

WhiteWolf: "-54F Wind Chill at 4:15 AM in Ely. -29F with wind at 12 MPH. That is some serious lack of watts per square meter of temp energy when one understands exactly what the wind chill measures. "

It would be really nice if someone would carefully explain what windchill is and that on a -20 degree day with a -40 wind chill, you (or your car) will only really experience -20 degrees. My wife hears -40 windchill and freaks out. She just doesn't understand the concepts of heat transfer and convection cooling.

Just think about it like blowing on your spoonful of hot soup...

jhb8426: "

WhiteWolf: "-54F Wind Chill at 4:15 AM in Ely. -29F with wind at 12 MPH. That is some serious lack of watts per square meter of temp energy when one understands exactly what the wind chill measures. "

It would be really nice if someone would carefully explain what windchill is and that on a -20 degree day with a -40 wind chill, you (or your car) will only really experience -20 degrees. My wife hears -40 windchill and freaks out. She just doesn't understand the concepts of heat transfer and convection cooling.


Just think about it like blowing on your spoonful of hot soup..."

Wind Chill is what it really "feels" like at the 2 meter level (on your face or exposed skin) based on the wind speed and air temperature removing heat from your skin. In NOV 2001 the wind chill was re-formulated to use wind speeds adjusted to the 2 meter level having previously used those found at the 10 meter level (which is where wind is still officially measured) - see link below and "North American and United Kingdom wind chill index" )
It's is not actual temperature- but more a "feel". Scientists and such will tell you that wind chill doesn't affect inanimate objects such as a car engine or snowmobile engine. Anyone that has spent some time in extreme cold wind chills with these "inanimate objects" will tell you something else.

Wind Chill

WhiteWolf- On 12/22/19 in the thread “White Christmas in you area “ your prediction of the time and severity of the cold snap is uncanny in its accuracy! That was over a month ago! I thought I heard it was supposed to be a milder winter. I read your reasoning and history throughout the thread with great interest. I believed you and decided to opt out of Minnesota’s winter this year. I left town on January 4th when it was mild. Although the temperature is a little below average here in the desert Southwest I’m not worried about frostbite. I’m worried about the block ice not lasting very long in the cooler.

Thanks for the heads up. I’m impressed.

missmolly: "

anthonyp007: "The US Pond Hockey Championships are this weekend on Lake Nokomis in Minneapolis. They’re playing right now, and the real temp was -12 at the start of the first game. Not sure about windchills (guessing in the -30 range on the lake), I’ll bet the people selling foot and hand warmers outside are making a killing! The beer tent is probably crushing it too!



My 7 and 5 year old have an outdoor hockey tourney tomorrow morning. We’ll be running on hot soup, hot cocoa and plenty of foot and hand warmers!!! I love Minnesota!



I got some side-eye from the neighbor because I wasn’t driving my son to school today. When did people get so fragile about the cold? Bundle up and you’ll be fine. My kid was probably sweating when he got to school. Hopping off the soapbox now...



Tony"

Plus, when you're a coddled kid, you'll have crappy stories to tell when you're a codger. This just doesn't pop any corks: "When I was a kid, we had to walk seven feet through an unheated to garage to the car's door. And that car was cold!" "

Then there was Grand Rapids, Cohasset, and Deer River battling a fire at 2AM last night. I have only done a real cold all out Fire once at -10... it was around -25 for those guys. Several times they came close to running out of water with several tenders supplying it. Now that’s a story! Those guys rock!
Now a days you’d have to warm up the car at least a half hour or the kid might die! Of course I do it for the dog... haha.

-36 F overnight at my house. Clear and dead-calm at 4am. Then, the wind picked up from the SW and a few clouds rolled in, and the temp warmed to -13 F by 8am.

Arctic what general area do you live? Did you grow up on the shore?

nctry: "

missmolly: "

anthonyp007: "The US Pond Hockey Championships are this weekend on Lake Nokomis in Minneapolis. They’re playing right now, and the real temp was -12 at the start of the first game. Not sure about windchills (guessing in the -30 range on the lake), I’ll bet the people selling foot and hand warmers outside are making a killing! The beer tent is probably crushing it too!



My 7 and 5 year old have an outdoor hockey tourney tomorrow morning. We’ll be running on hot soup, hot cocoa and plenty of foot and hand warmers!!! I love Minnesota!



I got some side-eye from the neighbor because I wasn’t driving my son to school today. When did people get so fragile about the cold? Bundle up and you’ll be fine. My kid was probably sweating when he got to school. Hopping off the soapbox now...



Tony"

Plus, when you're a coddled kid, you'll have crappy stories to tell when you're a codger. This just doesn't pop any corks: "When I was a kid, we had to walk seven feet through an unheated to garage to the car's door. And that car was cold!" "

Then there was Grand Rapids, Cohasset, and Deer River battling a fire at 2AM last night. I have only done a real cold all out Fire once at -10... it was around -25 for those guys. Several times they came close to running out of water with several tenders supplying it. Now that’s a story! Those guys rock!
Now a days you’d have to warm up the car at least a half hour or the kid might die! Of course I do it for the dog... haha."

Man, Ben, they must have spraying sleet on that fire!

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WhiteWolf: "

jhb8426: "

WhiteWolf: "-54F Wind Chill at 4:15 AM in Ely. -29F with wind at 12 MPH. That is some serious lack of watts per square meter of temp energy when one understands exactly what the wind chill measures. "

It would be really nice if someone would carefully explain what windchill is and that on a -20 degree day with a -40 wind chill, you (or your car) will only really experience -20 degrees. My wife hears -40 windchill and freaks out. She just doesn't understand the concepts of heat transfer and convection cooling.



Just think about it like blowing on your spoonful of hot soup..."

Wind Chill is what it really "feels" like at the 2 meter level (on your face or exposed skin) based on the wind speed and air temperature removing heat from your skin. In NOV 2001 the wind chill was re-formulated to use wind speeds adjusted to the 2 meter level having previously used those found at the 10 meter level (which is where wind is still officially measured) - see link below and "North American and United Kingdom wind chill index" )
It's is not actual temperature- but more a "feel". Scientists and such will tell you that wind chill doesn't affect inanimate objects such as a car engine or snowmobile engine. Anyone that has spent some time in extreme cold wind chills with these "inanimate objects" will tell you something else.

Wind Chill

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Whitewolf...
Is that 10 meter height the same height that airports get there wind readings from? I always find it pretty amazing how much the the wind drops off, (and it's direction) from about 150 ft down to about 10 ft while landing.

ellahallely: "Arctic what general area do you live? Did you grow up on the shore?"

I live about 8 miles inland from Two Harbors and about 750 feet above lake-level. I've lived in this spot for 24 years. Grew up in Mpls but left in 1982.

Nice area! I several friends from Two Harbors, most notable the Veness families. Thanks JIM P.

WhiteWolf: "

jhb8426: "

WhiteWolf: "-54F Wind Chill at 4:15 AM in Ely. -29F with wind at 12 MPH. That is some serious lack of watts per square meter of temp energy when one understands exactly what the wind chill measures. "

It would be really nice if someone would carefully explain what windchill is and that on a -20 degree day with a -40 wind chill, you (or your car) will only really experience -20 degrees. My wife hears -40 windchill and freaks out. She just doesn't understand the concepts of heat transfer and convection cooling.



Just think about it like blowing on your spoonful of hot soup..."

Wind Chill is what it really "feels" like at the 2 meter level (on your face or exposed skin) based on the wind speed and air temperature removing heat from your skin. In NOV 2001 the wind chill was re-formulated to use wind speeds adjusted to the 2 meter level having previously used those found at the 10 meter level (which is where wind is still officially measured) - see link below and "North American and United Kingdom wind chill index" )
It's is not actual temperature- but more a "feel". Scientists and such will tell you that wind chill doesn't affect inanimate objects such as a car engine or snowmobile engine. Anyone that has spent some time in extreme cold wind chills with these "inanimate objects" will tell you something else.

Wind Chill

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Been many times at work when the wind would freeze the mortar on one wall and not on another one, both walls being in the shade. Or try letting the wind hit water pipes and see how fast they freeze compared to one that aren't being hit by the wind.

The wind will cool any surface down to the actual air temperature quicker than if there is no wind. But if the air temp is 33 F and the wind is blowing 50mph you still will not get ice.

-19 below in Glenwood,MN -26 below HC!

Diego: "

WhiteWolf: "

jhb8426: "

WhiteWolf: "-54F Wind Chill at 4:15 AM in Ely. -29F with wind at 12 MPH. That is some serious lack of watts per square meter of temp energy when one understands exactly what the wind chill measures. "

It would be really nice if someone would carefully explain what windchill is and that on a -20 degree day with a -40 wind chill, you (or your car) will only really experience -20 degrees. My wife hears -40 windchill and freaks out. She just doesn't understand the concepts of heat transfer and convection cooling.



Just think about it like blowing on your spoonful of hot soup..."

Wind Chill is what it really "feels" like at the 2 meter level (on your face or exposed skin) based on the wind speed and air temperature removing heat from your skin. In NOV 2001 the wind chill was re-formulated to use wind speeds adjusted to the 2 meter level having previously used those found at the 10 meter level (which is where wind is still officially measured) - see link below and "North American and United Kingdom wind chill index" )
It's is not actual temperature- but more a "feel". Scientists and such will tell you that wind chill doesn't affect inanimate objects such as a car engine or snowmobile engine. Anyone that has spent some time in extreme cold wind chills with these "inanimate objects" will tell you something else.


Wind Chill


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Whitewolf...
Is that 10 meter height the same height that airports get there wind readings from? I always find it pretty amazing how much the the wind drops off, (and it's direction) from about 150 ft down to about 10 ft while landing."

Yes. There is a story behind it and if I find time I will get into it. It has to do more with aviation/FAA than it does weather/NWS.

Currently -45F at I-Falls. Smashes the old record for the date of -36F in in 1966. I believe its the coldest I-Falls has been since 2011. Temps -46F and colder are very rare at I-Falls., by my quick count - and I could have missed a few, 6-7 times, most in 1909. Ely sensor went kitty wampus at -38F.

Kabetogama -49, Babbit -46, Embarrass -45, Brimson -45, Gunflint -41, etc. Haven't seen a report from Cotton, that is usually one of the cold spots.

Let's hope these temps knock down the tick, wasp and hornet populations for the summer. Mosquitoes never die so no luck there :)

WhiteWolf: " Currently -45F at I-Falls. Smashes the old record for the date of -36F in in 1966. I believe its the coldest I-Falls has been since 2011. Temps -46F and colder are very rare at I-Falls., by my quick count - and I could have missed a few, 6-7 times, most in 1909. Ely sensor went kitty wampus at -38F. "

So white wolf... the record they smashed was 1966... and you say coldest since 2011... explain... I’d say it’s the coldest it’s been since 1966...

-29 here so we’re warming up. Spring is in the air!

nctry: "

missmolly: "

anthonyp007: "The US Pond Hockey Championships are this weekend on Lake Nokomis in Minneapolis. They’re playing right now, and the real temp was -12 at the start of the first game. Not sure about windchills (guessing in the -30 range on the lake), I’ll bet the people selling foot and hand warmers outside are making a killing! The beer tent is probably crushing it too!



My 7 and 5 year old have an outdoor hockey tourney tomorrow morning. We’ll be running on hot soup, hot cocoa and plenty of foot and hand warmers!!! I love Minnesota!



I got some side-eye from the neighbor because I wasn’t driving my son to school today. When did people get so fragile about the cold? Bundle up and you’ll be fine. My kid was probably sweating when he got to school. Hopping off the soapbox now...



Tony"

Plus, when you're a coddled kid, you'll have crappy stories to tell when you're a codger. This just doesn't pop any corks: "When I was a kid, we had to walk seven feet through an unheated to garage to the car's door. And that car was cold!" "

Then there was Grand Rapids, Cohasset, and Deer River battling a fire at 2AM last night. I have only done a real cold all out Fire once at -10... it was around -25 for those guys. Several times they came close to running out of water with several tenders supplying it. Now that’s a story! Those guys rock!
Now a days you’d have to warm up the car at least a half hour or the kid might die! Of course I do it for the dog... haha."

Ben, I remember as a kid when I still lived in Wisc. There was a fire in Menasha. We drove in after it was out to see the damage. The thing I remember most was seeing all the 2 1/2 inch hose froze solid in ice while laying in the gutters! Out here, on a wildfire, it was 113 degrees. I remember a guy telling us, "you guys are crazy! do you know its 113 in the shade on my back porch" We had 3 firefighters go down with heat related problems in the first hour. Stay warm back there!!! Larry

It always seems cold weather brings on more house fires. Wood burning stoves,electrical wiring I suppose they all are burning more or at full stress when cold.

Up to now really in north central Minnesota we have not had prolon cold this year. I think the far north has had a high pressure area sitting there. Now today were talking 3-5 inches in my area and more toward the cities.

I see a warming trend next weekend.

WhiteWolf: " Currently -45F at I-Falls. Smashes the old record for the date of -36F in in 1966. I believe its the coldest I-Falls has been since 2011. Temps -46F and colder are very rare at I-Falls., by my quick count - and I could have missed a few, 6-7 times, most in 1909. Ely sensor went kitty wampus at -38F. "

Ely =KELO AWOS weather is back online ….. well kind of.
Temp -29
Humidity
67%
Wind Speed
W 54 G 112 mph
Barometer
30.00 in
Dewpoint
-36°F (-38°C)
Visibility
2.50 mi
Wind Chill
-73°F (-58°C)
Last update
27 Jan 9:35 am CST

-46 degree F. at Sea Gull lake up the Gunflint at the weather station there.

I'm sure that they are burning a lot of their seasoned, dried hardwoods in their cabin stoves this week!

HighnDry: "I'm sure that they are burning a lot of their seasoned, dried hardwoods in their cabin stoves this week!"

Yeh those wood piles are shrinking.

nctry: "

WhiteWolf: " Currently -45F at I-Falls. Smashes the old record for the date of -36F in in 1966. I believe its the coldest I-Falls has been since 2011. Temps -46F and colder are very rare at I-Falls., by my quick count - and I could have missed a few, 6-7 times, most in 1909. Ely sensor went kitty wampus at -38F. "

So white wolf... the record they smashed was 1966... and you say coldest since 2011... explain... I’d say it’s the coldest it’s been since 1966...


-29 here so we’re warming up. Spring is in the air!"

I Falls broke the record for the date set in 1966 at -36F. However, the -45F was coldest they have been on any date since 2011. (I believe without really looking things over, but I could be wrong).

I ordered a yooper chook hat today. This one chemo drug just kills me...going outside my face and lips really seriously hurt...and of course the hands but I have pretty decent glove for them ....I have to put on a light pair of gloves just to burrow for something in the refrigerator.

Yooper Chook

hope it helps the cheeks...

dr bob

One thing of note is that all classic Arctic Outbreaks almost always have well above temps within 3-4 days after the coldest day. Sometimes it cycles - but not as much (as cold) as the first set up. But do not expect FEB to be like the first few days of the month.

This is a picture of a thermometer of a friend of mine who lives near Makinen - 18 miles from Virginia:

Well maybe -35 degrees F. Wednesday in Brainerd than maybe rain and 35 degrees above Saturday. That is a 70 degree turn around and Rain? Huh?

Weather whiplash.

To those with some weather background or those with an overall interest. To point out how severe this cold air mass is; understand the following. The troposphere (where our weather occurs ) is usually 33,000 to 43,000'+ (10KM-13KM) above ground level in the mid latitudes and than it meets the stratosphere. This cold is so dense and pushing down and to put
this cold air in perspective: if you`re looking for the
stratosphere you won`t have to go far Tuesday afternoon, with
forecast soundings showing the tropopause (where the stratosphere meets the troposphere) height as low as 3-4 km. above ground level That is crazy. Talk about some DENSE air!!

And the winner (so far) is Geraldon, ON, about 100 miles north of Lake Superior, at -53 F. There are two other stations in the region below -50F.

WhiteWolf: "And the winner (so far) is Geraldon, ON, about 100 miles north of Lake Superior, at -53 F. There are two other stations in the region below -50F.
"

Rinker Lake, ON reported -58 yesterday morning.

Temps

ArrowheadPaddler: "Kabetogama -49, Babbit -46, Embarrass -45, Brimson -45, Gunflint -41, etc. Haven't seen a report from Cotton, that is usually one of the cold spots."

Cotton hit -56 on Sunday morning.

With the retirement last year of Roland Fowler and the relocation of the Embarrass COOP observer station, I fear for the town’s reputation. The folks in the Falls must have been smiling yesterday. :-)

The -46F at I-Falls on Sunday was the 5th lowest temp ever recorded there. Observations go back to 1897. I don't think it will get any colder over the next several mornings because of the wind. Thus- wind chills may challenge all time records in MN.

Historic Wind Chills in MN

A balmy -19 now about 3/4 rs up the hill from the big pond in Duluth.
Not official, just an average from our two thermometers (one spring, one liquid) on the porch in the shade.

Legit -60F wind chills in MN now. Crookston, MN with temp -26F with 23KT wind = wind chill -60F.

And it's near solar noon. Imagine what happens tonight...…

Been in the field 20+ years. Never seen a -60F wind chill (new formula post 2001) in MN near solar noon. Nothing even comes close.

Wow. This is a first for me. The office will be closed tomorrow due to the cold, and all will still be paid.

WhiteWolf: "Legit -60F wind chills in MN now. Crookston, MN with temp -26F with 23KT wind = wind chill -60F.

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I graduated college from U of M Crookston, that place was Coooooold.
I lived in a 10 foot long camping trailer with straw bales stacked along the sides, and a little electric heater. It kept it warm though.

In the winter of 95/96 (January or February 96) it only got up to -36 below one day/not windchill.
That was the first time the governor cancelled colleges in over 20 years due to the cold, if I remember correctly.
My truck had no block heater and was parked outside, finially it got up to about -20 one day. I stacked cardboard around my Jeep, put an electric heater under it for around a day.
I finially got it to turn over and even chug with starter fluid help and a battery charger.
It would not stay running, after doing that for around 20 times, it finially started and stayed running.
I warmed it up and drove it down the black top hwy toward college, after 2-3 miles the flat spots on my tires rounded again and the ride became much smoother.

Records may fall

Maybe Embarrass will get the record this time. I was ice fishing at Smitty’s on Snowbank during that cold snap in 1996. The sewer line from the lodge across the street to the motel rooms froze and only a few trucks started. Ronny and Denny were really concerned about safety and equipment breaking. Great memories. I don’t think we caught any fish though. Cold front to blame.

What is ironic I looked at a map of the entire state of Alaska today, the whole state was above zero and even ranging above 32 degrees F.
December was very warm for them and it is continuing.

While at 930PM in Brainerd we have -29 degrees F and 57 degrees below wind chill. I was outside this morning when it was 18 degrees below and no wind,it was actuallypretty nice,than the wind came.

Al Gore...global warming

gravelroad: "

ArrowheadPaddler: "Kabetogama -49, Babbit -46, Embarrass -45, Brimson -45, Gunflint -41, etc. Haven't seen a report from Cotton, that is usually one of the cold spots."

Cotton hit -56 on Sunday morning.


With the retirement last year of Roland Fowler and the relocation of the Embarrass COOP observer station, I fear for the town’s reputation. The folks in the Falls must have been smiling yesterday. :-)


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I’m guessing that was wind chill. The temp was -13 at the time. Today the wind chill has been around -54 where I live no matter the temp. Kind of a nip in the air...

NCTRY I would have thought the same, however the post above from KarlBAndersen1 shows the temp of -45 in Makinen Sunday morning. The temp extremes in Cotton are new to me. Maybe they have a new weather observer? I don't remember them even having a weather observer in the past. JIM P.

LindenTree: "

WhiteWolf: "Legit -60F wind chills in MN now. Crookston, MN with temp -26F with 23KT wind = wind chill -60F.


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I graduated college from U of M Crookston, that place was Coooooold.
I lived in a 10 foot long camping trailer with straw bales stacked along the sides, and a little electric heater. It kept it warm though.


In the winter of 95/96 (January or February 96) it only got up to -36 below one day/not windchill.
That was the first time the governor cancelled colleges in over 20 years due to the cold, if I remember correctly.
My truck had no block heater and was parked outside, finially it got up to about -20 one day. I stacked cardboard around my Jeep, put an electric heater under it for around a day.
I finially got it to turn over and even chug with starter fluid help and a battery charger.
It would not stay running, after doing that for around 20 times, it finially started and stayed running.
I warmed it up and drove it down the black top hwy toward college, after 2-3 miles the flat spots on my tires rounded again and the ride became much smoother."

OK. Now I know what motivated you to fight (hang near) fires for your life's vocation. :-)

ellahallely: "NCTRY I would have thought the same, however the post above from KarlBAndersen1 shows the temp of -45 in Makinen Sunday morning. The temp extremes in Cotton are new to me. Maybe they have a new weather observer? I don't remember them even having a weather observer in the past. JIM P."

Well, that don’t make sense... one minute -13 then -4 then -56....
We need to be able to access the chart to see what we’re looking at.

KarlBAndersen1: "This is a picture of a thermometer of a friend of mine who lives near Makinen - 18 miles from Virginia:
"

I don't know.

Good graphic on this weather effect here.

tony da batch: "Al Gore...global warming"

Always gotta have some anonymous retard showing up who doesn't understand the difference between "weather" and "climate"...

-66F Wind Chill in Ely last hour... Ouch!

I'm only about two miles from the Duluth Airport and NWS station, and 3/4 of the wayup the hill from the big pond.
NWS or the Airport says -27, I showed -40 this morning at 09:00. Tested it with two thermometers, the other liquid one shows -30, I never liked spring thermometers for accuracy so I'll have to go with the -30.

HighnDry: "Good graphic on this weather effect here. "

That is a nice graphic. Thanks for posting.

wunder map

nice site

arctic: "

tony da batch: "Al Gore...global warming"

Always gotta have some anonymous retard showing up who doesn't understand the difference between "weather" and "climate"..."

Every single damn time. That level of ignorance shouldn't get to me, but it does. I wouldn't sign in either with a dumbass post like that.

Duluth Airport reported -74F wind chill at 9:06Am this morning.

Pinetree: " wunder map


nice site"

Nice map as well for tracking the temperatures statewide. I think that over 1,500 flights have been cancelled so far nationwide. MSP certainly seems quieter down here but flightaware still shows a lot of air traffic in/out. Deicing in this weather must be tough!

If the -74F wind chill at Duluth becomes verified , by my records it would be coldest wind chill ever verified in the state of MN.

pretty bad when it doesn't really feel cold, just starts to burn a little

WhiteWolf: "If the -74F wind chill at Duluth becomes verified , by my records it would be coldest wind chill ever verified in the state of MN."

Pretty sure this WILL NOT be verified. From the info I got a simple mistake was made. Still DLH had windchills in low -60'sF this AM. But in reality, not close to what it takes to get a -74F wind chill.

HighnDry: "

Pinetree: " wunder map



nice site"

Nice map as well for tracking the temperatures statewide. I think that over 1,500 flights have been cancelled so far nationwide. MSP certainly seems quieter down here but flightaware still shows a lot of air traffic in/out. Deicing in this weather must be tough!"

They said somewhere(not sure where it was) the deicing was freezing on.

Pinetree:

They said somewhere(not sure where it was) the deicing was freezing on."

Hector Airport in Fargo ND has cancelled flights today due to deicing freezing up.
Somewhere I read said deicing freezes up at -27.

Flights cancelled at Hector Airport

LindenTree: "

Pinetree:


They said somewhere(not sure where it was) the deicing was freezing on."

Hector Airport in Fargo ND has cancelled flights today due to deicing freezing up.
Somewhere I read said deicing freezes up at -27.


Flights cancelled at Hector Airport "

Depends on the type of deice/anti-ice being used and at what ratio water was added. For commercial operations, we have charts corresponding to the type, dilution mix, weather temp, and current precipitation type and intensity to give us hold over times, or the time that you actually have from start of application to take off. Sometimes, especially at bigger airports, you will never get to the runway before your holdover time has expired.

We have a hard limitation, as do most commercial carriers I believe, that the aircraft can't be started up at -40 or below, which I never thought I'd have to deal with, but it was certainly a possibility this week.

Jets can handle the cold, at 30,000 feet it is always below zero. At 40,000 feet it is 70 below.

-43 degrees F. In Brainerd today. No record the record is -52 degrees F. for today.

Pinetree: "-43 degrees F. In Brainerd today. No record the record is -52 degrees F. for today."

Pinetree- show me where your getting -52F for Brainerd for 1/31. The -52F is for tomorrow Feb 1st and occurred in 1996. The record for 1/31 is -46F, also in 1996. The mid -40F'temps seen over the Brainerd area this morning have "frozen" many of the automated sites that report temps. When the NWS dials into this sites (literally) I wouldn't be shocked if they see upper -40'sF for lows due to limitation of the rather crappy automation that ceases to work in extreme weather. This may break several records. But the brunt of this airmass was further East where several ALL time records were set at Rockford, IL (-30F) and Moline ,IL ( don't remember the temp). If this airmass had been positioned 200 miles further W- many all time records in IA and MN would be gone. But it didn't. Always next time.

Almanac

Almanac area

disagree- but that's problem in this field. Unless you really have good info , you can be led astray by some websites that are not "official". WU is not official. Following is from the NWS is Duluth-

THE BRAINERD CLIMATE NORMALS FOR TODAY (1/31/19)
NORMAL RECORD YEAR
MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE (F) 23 48 1993
MINIMUM TEMPERATURE (F) 1 -46 1996

I'd like to know the year WU said -52F happened. I could check very quickly.

Minnesota is #1! Take that Alaska and Michigan!

WhiteWolf: "disagree- but that's problem in this field. Unless you really have good info , you can be led astray by some websites that are not "official". WU is not official. Following is from the NWS is Duluth-


THE BRAINERD CLIMATE NORMALS FOR TODAY (1/31/19)
NORMAL RECORD YEAR
MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE (F) 23 48 1993
MINIMUM TEMPERATURE (F) 1 -46 1996


Yes I did notice in the past on the same day they might have conflicting records. No fact checking.

I'd like to know the year WU said -52F happened. I could check very quickly. "

Using our Brainerd Airport site which must be official it says -46 Jan 31 and -52 Feb. 1. Also -54 degrees F. on Feb 2.1996.

We do have a DNR Forestry station which may be a official station also?

Link to artical about Cotton and Minnesota cold weather. A few years ago we never heard about Cotton as a cold spot. Maybe they didn't have weather observer until now? I was very skeptical until I saw this picture.

ellahallely: " Link to artical about Cotton and Minnesota cold weather. A few years ago we never heard about Cotton as a cold spot. Maybe they didn't have weather observer until now? I was very skeptical until I saw this picture.
"

The Cotton station was re-located in 2015 to a valley location along the Whiteface River--hence the low temperatures. Embarrass station was relocated last June to a higher location maybe a mile away, so likely won't be much in the news anymore. Ever wonder what happened to Tower 3S where the 1996 -60F temp was recorded? Same situation: new, warmer location.

It's 81 degrees in Dallas today. I had to turn on the AC last night.

arctic: "

ellahallely: " Link to artical about Cotton and Minnesota cold weather. A few years ago we never heard about Cotton as a cold spot. Maybe they didn't have weather observer until now? I was very skeptical until I saw this picture.
"

The Cotton station was re-located in 2015 to a valley location along the Whiteface River--hence the low temperatures. Embarrass station was relocated last June to a higher location maybe a mile away, so likely won't be much in the news anymore. Ever wonder what happened to Tower 3S where the 1996 -60F temp was recorded? Same situation: new, warmer location."

That week in Minnesota I think it came down to location in many vicinities. Who had the thermometer in the lowest spot.

So White Wolf... what would be the best thermometer system or whatever for accuracy?... just for poop and giggles I’d like to get a decent weather “station” and be able to pretty much know what I’m looking at isn’t bs.

I wonder why the lowest spots seem to produce the most extreme temperatures. Death Valley that’s way below sea level and the swamp in Tower?

Heat rises, the cold air falls into the valleys.Thermal inversion.

nctry: "So White Wolf... what would be the best thermometer system or whatever for accuracy?... just for poop and giggles I’d like to get a decent weather “station” and be able to pretty much know what I’m looking at isn’t bs."

Being a weather geek since I was knee high to a grasshopper I've had / worked with many kinds of temp sensors / weather stations- from the old white instrument shelters to 1+ million dollar ASOS units used at airports. The #1 thing I would reccmd rather than quality is to keep the sensor out of the sun. You can purchase fancy radiation shields for some of the mid range Lacrosse and Davis home weather centers, but for me I usually can find a place out of the sun . Speaking of Davis and Lacrosse weather stations - those are probably the 2 biggest makers with Davis having overall better quality- but your looking at about $300 for entry station. A cheap lacrosse can be had (even with wind) for about $80 at you local Costco. I AM NOT a fan of the temp sensor and wind ALL mounted together. (meant for roof top placement for ALL sensors) -- I don't know if these cheaper units (the more expensive may) come with a proper radiation shield ( I doubt it as the more exposure you get- the better a shield you will need) but the real reason I don't like the temp measured at the roof top level is that official temps that most people are talking about are measured at the 2 Meter level - so your all ready behind to begin with. Many in my field seem to think the cheap Lacrosse and others stuff for around $50 is junk - and it can be, but most don't have $300+ to shell out for a quality Davis system, I have had nearly everything and still have a 20 yr DAVIS that is on it's last leg (solar charging is about shot) - but for the sure the quality is there. Right now as my main system I have no wind measuring as I have no location to mount an anemometer accurately (trees and such in the way)-- but I have a mid range Lacrosse that I can have up to the 3 outdoor sensors and I can see what the temps are at different parts of my yard. I have 2 indoor mounts for this so both up/downstairs I know what is going on outside. Again- these sensors in the direct sunlight are worthless- but in the dead of the night compared to a very accurate mercury thermometer i got from work is always within +/- 1.5F. -- good enough for a total cost around $125. At work now - so I can't give make /model.

You can check out various weather measuring gear here-- Ambeint Weather