We camped at this campgound in early July of this year. It was our favorite campground on the trip. While we had a black bear wander through camp and cause some ruckus, but this would have been crazy to witness.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/science-and-nature/4611701-Like-...-a-horror-movie-Camper-saves-family-of-4-from-savage-wolf-attack-in-Canadas-Banff-National-Park

Yikes. Reading it confirmed my thoughts that it was a loner who wasn't doing well and was desperate. I can't even imagine that though.

That was a pretty intense read.

The two boys will never need to wonder if their parents truly love them.

Wow, what a read! And here's to Russ, a member of that rare group who runs toward trouble rather than away from it!

Just another friendly furry forest critter doing what friendly furry forest critters do.

The wolf was hungry that is what provoked the attack.

Does not matter if it was young, old or other wise it attacked because it was hungry.

People need to stop making excuses why wild animals attack.

if you can not understand that wild animals sometimes attack humans.

It is time to rethink your thoughts.

riverrunner: "Just another friendly furry forest critter doing what friendly furry forest critters do.

The wolf was hungry that is what provoked the attack.

Does not matter if it was young, old or other wise it attacked because it was hungry.

People need to stop making excuses why wild animals attack.

If you can not understand that wild animals sometimes attack humans.

It is time to rethink your thoughts.
"

Here's the thing though, wolf attacks towards humans are incredibly rare. The vast majority of hungry wolves don't go after humans. This was an anomaly. It ultimately came after humans because it was unable to catch wildlife in its old age. Is that an excuse? No, it's a fact.

Jaywalker: "Wow, what a read! And here's to Russ, a member of that rare group who runs toward trouble rather than away from it! "

Russ Fee is a man,
Yes, a real man!
With a backbone like a whale
He lived to tell a tale, did he!

Russ Fee is a man,
A mighty man!
Yes, you better believe
He was cut from the same cloth as BEAV!

From the Canuk hair on the top of ol' Russ
To the heel of his kickin' foot
The rippin'est, roarin'est, fightin'est man
The campground ever knew!

Russ Fee is a man,
Yes, a big man!
And he fought for a family
He won that fight, did he!

More people .. more wolves .. more attacks. Pretty simple math. Encounters have been rare. Because we hunted them to near extinction and the wolf feared for its life when near humans. There are always dangers in the woods. Prepare for the worst and your odds are better. Many times those most prepared end up saving the lives of others.

That said the same goes for dangers in the city. Be aware of your surroundings and environment.

No it is a guess not a fact.

It is excuse commonly promoted by those who do not want to realize that wild life can be dangerous.

That do not want to face the fact that predators sometimes look at humans as
food.

I am sure Candice Berner, Kenton Carnegie could have care less why the pack of wolfs that tore them apart and ate them did so.

I know Mr. Fee's cousin who lives in MN. The cousin stated that while Mr. Fee is an outdoorsman, this act was way out of character. I guess it was one of those "not taking time to think" deals.

3Ball: "I know Mr. Fee's cousin who lives in MN. The cousin stated that while Mr. Fee is an outdoorsman, this act was way out of character. I guess it was one of those "not taking time to think" deals."

Stephen Ambrose, in the book, "Citizen Soldier," noted that the quiet ones in boot camp were more likely to be the ones who would charge the machine gun nests.

riverrunner: "
Does not matter if it was young, old or other wise it attacked because it was hungry.
"

ugh, it does matter.

It would be like saying that a man raped a woman because he is a man.
Nope, about 99% of men will never rape a woman, it is only a few, and it is important to understand why.

I have only seen two wolves in the wild, one on East Pike Lake from a distance that ran into the woods as soon as it was aware of me, another near the same lake while on the Border Route Trail in winter. It jumped out onto the trail in about 15 feet in front of me and snarled at me, then as quickly jumped back into the woods. It happened so quickly I didn't have time to react, my guess is that it left because I didn't show fear, didn't have time to, at least until my mind processed what just happened. Then I considered myself lucky, if it had pounced on me rather than jumped onto the trail about 15 feet in front of me I would have had a heck of a time dealing with it. If it had decided to attack I would still have had a hard time dealing with it, a buck knife was in my fanny pack was near useless, my only defense would have been my ski poles. Although I own and occasionally carry a 9mm that weighs barely a pound (more so now than before, although still rarely), I have my doubts about being able to use it while wrastlin' a wolf. But it's a nice security blanket while sleeping solo in the woods.

Getting killed by a wild animal is one of the rarest ways to die on this continent. Getting killed by a wolf is even rarer, with something like two well-documented fatalities in the last 100 years in North America. That's out of millions of human/wolf encounters.

Big predators shouldn't be blindly trusted, as this story shows, but getting attacked by a wolf is one of the last things I'm going to worry about. I've seen dozens of wolves. The only one that gave me the willies is one that followed me through the woods at night, stopping to howl a short distance away!

BuckNelson: "Big predators shouldn't be blindly trusted, as this story shows, but getting attacked by a wolf is one of the last things I'm going to worry about. I've seen dozens of wolves. The only one that gave me the willies is one that followed my through the woods at night, stopping to howl a short distance away!
"

Wolves have always held a special spot in my head. I always wanted to see one in the wild, but in several trips, no luck. Even when I'd go to the zoo they'd all be asleep or tucked away somewhere so that you couldn't really see them.

SO because of all of that, I'll never forget the first time I saw one not in a cage...



It very majestically ran from behind a dumpster near Sawbill when I drove up.

BuckNelson: "Getting killed by a wild animal is one of the rarest ways to die on this continent. Getting killed by a wolf is even rarer, with something like two well-documented fatalities in the last 100 years in North America. That's out of millions of human/wolf encounters.


Big predators shouldn't be blindly trusted, as this story shows, but getting attacked by a wolf is one of the last things I'm going to worry about. I've seen dozens of wolves. The only one that gave me the willies is one that followed my through the woods at night, stopping to howl a short distance away!



"

Whoa, that's a story and a half!

This is literally my worst nightmare! I seriously have a difficult time sleeping in the Northwoods because I fear a wolf tearing through my tent, or biting me in my bum in my hammock! I finally had put my fears to rest thinking there's no way.

OMG!

Okay, in reality, I have the cognitive discipline to realize this is an extremely rare circumstance. Plus, I sleep with bear spray which I'm pretty sure will work on a wolf.

My hope is that there are TONS of deer in the Arrowhead!!!

Wolves are hands down my favorite animal, but one I never want to encounter face to face in the wild. I know though that this type of encounter is exceedingly rare, and would likely never, ever, ever happen. I remember a few years back I was at the International Wolf Centre, and all day my daughter and I were there, and the wolves were right up to the glass, and I was head to head with Luna, one of the wolves for several hours looking into her beautiful eyes.

Praise be for plexiglass!

MN_Lindsey: "This is literally my worst nightmare! I seriously have a difficult time sleeping in the Northwoods because I fear a wolf tearing through my tent, or biting me in my bum in my hammock! I finally had put my fears to rest thinking there's no way.


OMG!


Okay, in reality, I have the cognitive discipline to realize this is an extremely rare circumstance. Plus, I sleep with bear spray which I'm pretty sure will work on a wolf.


My hope is that there are TONS of deer in the Arrowhead!!!

Wolves are hands down my favorite animal, but one I never want to encounter face to face in the wild. I know though that this type of encounter is exceedingly rare, and would likely never, ever, ever happen. I remember a few years back I was at the International Wolf Centre, and all day my daughter and I were there, and the wolves were right up to the glass, and I was head to head with Luna, one of the wolves for several hours looking into her beautiful eyes.

Praise be for plexiglass!

"

Jon Turk, the paddler and skier, once said that a polar bear ripped his tent on Ellesmere Island and stuck its head inside. Jon had a cocked 457 Magnum resting on his chest and he kept telling that bear that he didn't want to die and he didn't want the bear to die. When the bear eventually withdrew, he saw another two bears behind it. That's a big WHEW, huh?

It seems many defending wolf's have never had a encounter with them or very limited encounters with them.

I live in wolf country I seen dozens of them.

I had them with in 10 to 15 feet of me a couple of times within 50 yards many more
times. I have seen them walk through my yard and have pictures of them on my game cam's more then that, less the a 100 yards from my house.

This morning I saw fresh tracks on my daily 5 plus mile walk and I have seen tracks more mornings then not.

I seen them in AK and Canada unfortunately when I didn't have a wolf tag.

I had friends, neighbors lose dogs and live stock to them.

As other have said large predators are not to be trusted.

Attacks are rare (what ever that means) But it does not matter how "rare" they are if your the one being attacked.

ZaraSp00k: "

riverrunner: "
.
"

Although I own and occasionally carry a 9mm that weighs barely a pound (more so now than before, although still rarely), I have my doubts about being able to use it while wrastlin' a wolf. But it's a nice security blanket while sleeping solo in the woods.
"

As a professional self-defense/ firearms instructor I can help you over come your
doubts and increase your personal abilities and confidence.

My rates are very reasonable..

riverrunner: "It seems many defending wolf's have never had a encounter with them or very limited encounters with them.


I live in wolf country I seen dozens of them.


I had them with in 10 to 15 feet of me a couple of times within 50 yards many more
times. I have seen them walk through my yard and have pictures of them on my game cam's more then that, less the a 100 yards from my house.


This morning I saw fresh tracks on my daily 5 plus mile walk and I have seen tracks more mornings then not.


I seen them in AK and Canada unfortunately when I didn't have a wolf tag.


I had friends, neighbors lose dogs and live stock to them.


As other have said large predators are not to be trusted.


Attacks are rare (what ever that means) But it does not matter how "rare" they are if your the one being attacked."

Hahaha, I love the fear mongering! Death is inevitable. You are about 1 billion times more likely to die from something other than a mammal attack. Fear the mosquito if you must fear something make it realistic at least. Mosquitos kill more than all other creatures combined by many, many times. Also you are by far more likely to be attacked by a moose than either a wolf or bear.

Thats not to say you shouldn't respect the wolf or bear, the are predators. Luckily, 99.99999% of them avoid us like the plague.

riverrunner: "
I had them within 10 to 15 feet of me a couple of times within 50 yards many more times. I have seen them walk through my yard and have pictures of them on my game cam's more then that, less the a 100 yards from my house.
This morning I saw fresh tracks on my daily 5 plus mile walk and I have seen tracks more mornings then not.
"

I could say the same about ner-do-wells here in the city, and yet it appears neither of us have been attacked by either. So what’s your point other than fear mongering?
I’ll pass on your offer of training.

minnmike: "


Death is inevitable. You are about 1 billion times more likely to die from something other than a mammal attack. Fear the mosquito if you must fear something make it realistic at least. Mosquitos kill more than all other creatures combined by many, many times. Also you are by far more likely to be attacked by a moose than either a wolf or bear.


Thats not to say you shouldn't respect the wolf or bear, the are predators. Luckily, 99.99999% of them avoid us like the plague.


"

I agree.
I am at infinitely more danger while in Minneapolis than on any of my trips into the wild. Yet, I have never, ever, carried a weapon with me in the city despite the fact I often am in areas spent casing can be found and murders have been reported by the media. I have certainly thought about it, but at the end of the day common sense is your best weapon. Additionally, a weapon will do nothing to protect against a Buick or Mack Truck, a far greater danger whether on foot, bike, or in my vehicle.

IMO, a wolf or bear attack is like getting hit by lightning, something you can take steps to avoid, but in the end always possible despite the very slim odds of it ever happening to you, sort of like winning the lottery, but in reverse

I don't play the lottery :)

I fear things like forks and tv remotes. The former will convey too much food to my mouth and the latter will keep me sedentary, weakening me in so many ways and restricting my liberty. So, if there's training available for shooting forks and remotes, where do I sign?

missmolly: "I fear things like forks and tv remotes. The former will convey too much food to my mouth and the latter will keep me sedentary, weakening me in so many ways and restricting my liberty. So, if there's training available for shooting forks and remotes, where do I sign? "

Just watch some old Plasmatics videos on YouTube. Wendy O can show you how to keep fit by swinging around sledge hammers and chain saws and smashing up TVs. Too bad she off’t herself with a pistol...

inspector13: "

missmolly: "I fear things like forks and tv remotes. The former will convey too much food to my mouth and the latter will keep me sedentary, weakening me in so many ways and restricting my liberty. So, if there's training available for shooting forks and remotes, where do I sign? "

Just watch some old Plasmatics videos on YouTube. Wendy O can show you how to keep fit by swinging around sledge hammers and chain saws and smashing up TVs. Too bad she off’t herself with a pistol...

"

So, she'll be my role model up until the pistol.

missmolly: "

MN_Lindsey: "This is literally my worst nightmare! I seriously have a difficult time sleeping in the Northwoods because I fear a wolf tearing through my tent, or biting me in my bum in my hammock! I finally had put my fears to rest thinking there's no way.



OMG!



Okay, in reality, I have the cognitive discipline to realize this is an extremely rare circumstance. Plus, I sleep with bear spray which I'm pretty sure will work on a wolf.



My hope is that there are TONS of deer in the Arrowhead!!!


Wolves are hands down my favorite animal, but one I never want to encounter face to face in the wild. I know though that this type of encounter is exceedingly rare, and would likely never, ever, ever happen. I remember a few years back I was at the International Wolf Centre, and all day my daughter and I were there, and the wolves were right up to the glass, and I was head to head with Luna, one of the wolves for several hours looking into her beautiful eyes.


Praise be for plexiglass!


"

Jon Turk, the paddler and skier, once said that a polar bear ripped his tent on Ellesmere Island and stuck its head inside. Jon had a cocked 457 Magnum resting on his chest and he kept telling that bear that he didn't want to die and he didn't want the bear to die. When the bear eventually withdrew, he saw another two bears behind it. That's a big WHEW, huh?"

A big WHEW would be an understatement! The polar bear... now THAT is a mammal to fear!

I think I would immediately have to change my underwear if that happened!

MN_Lindsey: "

missmolly: "

MN_Lindsey: "This is literally my worst nightmare! I seriously have a difficult time sleeping in the Northwoods because I fear a wolf tearing through my tent, or biting me in my bum in my hammock! I finally had put my fears to rest thinking there's no way.



OMG!



Okay, in reality, I have the cognitive discipline to realize this is an extremely rare circumstance. Plus, I sleep with bear spray which I'm pretty sure will work on a wolf.



My hope is that there are TONS of deer in the Arrowhead!!!



Wolves are hands down my favorite animal, but one I never want to encounter face to face in the wild. I know though that this type of encounter is exceedingly rare, and would likely never, ever, ever happen. I remember a few years back I was at the International Wolf Centre, and all day my daughter and I were there, and the wolves were right up to the glass, and I was head to head with Luna, one of the wolves for several hours looking into her beautiful eyes.



Praise be for plexiglass!



"

Jon Turk, the paddler and skier, once said that a polar bear ripped his tent on Ellesmere Island and stuck its head inside. Jon had a cocked 457 Magnum resting on his chest and he kept telling that bear that he didn't want to die and he didn't want the bear to die. When the bear eventually withdrew, he saw another two bears behind it. That's a big WHEW, huh?"

A big WHEW would be an understatement! The polar bear... now THAT is a mammal to fear!


I think I would immediately have to change my underwear if that happened!"

If I remember correctly, Jon saw about 90 polar bears, but they weren't what he feared most: It was the wind. Jon and his partner were doing an open water crossing in big, big waves and his partner yelled through the howling Arctic wind, "How ya doing?!"

Jon answered, "I'm fudging terrified!!!"

'Cept he didn't say "fudging."

ZaraSp00k: "

riverrunner: "
I had them within 10 to 15 feet of me a couple of times within 50 yards many more times. I have seen them walk through my yard and have pictures of them on my game cam's more then that, less the a 100 yards from my house.
This morning I saw fresh tracks on my daily 5 plus mile walk and I have seen tracks more mornings then not.
"

I could say the same about ner-do-wells here in the city, and yet it appears neither of us have been attacked by either. So what’s your point other than fear mongering?
I’ll pass on your offer of training.
"

As a former LEO I have been attacked more then once by two legged ner-do-wells and have had to defend myself against them.

It is too bad that one who that occasionally carries a firearm for self-defense.

You do not want to improve their skill levels to where you will feel confident and capable if you would ever have to use it.

More on Ron Fee and the incident:


Video interview of Ron Fee

missmolly: "I fear things like forks and tv remotes. The former will convey too much food to my mouth and the latter will keep me sedentary, weakening me in so many ways and restricting my liberty. So, if there's training available for shooting forks and remotes, where do I sign? "

Very good point on the human dilemma...we fear the things we cannot control that will most likely never happen and ignore what is the most dangerous and we have full control over...
T

timatkn: "

missmolly: "I fear things like forks and tv remotes. The former will convey too much food to my mouth and the latter will keep me sedentary, weakening me in so many ways and restricting my liberty. So, if there's training available for shooting forks and remotes, where do I sign? "

Very good point on the human dilemma...we fear the things we cannot control that will most likely never happen and ignore what is the most dangerous and we have full control over...
T"

You bring some candy bars and booze and I'll bring some forks and remotes and riverrunner will teach us how to shoot the sheep out of those killers.

3Ball: "More on Ron Fee and the incident:



Video interview of Ron Fee "

Great link.

timatkn: "

missmolly: "I fear things like forks and tv remotes. The former will convey too much food to my mouth and the latter will keep me sedentary, weakening me in so many ways and restricting my liberty. So, if there's training available for shooting forks and remotes, where do I sign? "

Very good point on the human dilemma...we fear the things we cannot control that will most likely never happen and ignore what is the most dangerous and we have full control over...
T"

I agree wholeheartedly with you both.

missmolly: "

timatkn: "

missmolly: "I fear things like forks and tv remotes. The former will convey too much food to my mouth and the latter will keep me sedentary, weakening me in so many ways and restricting my liberty. So, if there's training available for shooting forks and remotes, where do I sign? "

Very good point on the human dilemma...we fear the things we cannot control that will most likely never happen and ignore what is the most dangerous and we have full control over...
T"

You bring some candy bars and booze and I'll bring some forks and remotes and riverrunner will teach us how to shoot the sheep out of those killers. "

One can have the candy bars while training, booze, only afterwards and the firearms are put safely away.

Fear is relative, some is good, to little is dangerous,to much is crippling.

ZaraSp00k: "

minnmike: "



Death is inevitable. You are about 1 billion times more likely to die from something other than a mammal attack. Fear the mosquito if you must fear something make it realistic at least. Mosquitos kill more than all other creatures combined by many, many times. Also you are by far more likely to be attacked by a moose than either a wolf or bear.



Thats not to say you shouldn't respect the wolf or bear, the are predators. Luckily, 99.99999% of them avoid us like the plague.



"

I


IMO, a wolf or bear attack is like getting hit by lightning, something you can take steps to avoid, but in the end always possible despite the very slim odds of it ever happening to you, sort of like winning the lottery, but in reverse


I don't play the lottery :)"

I am glad you brought lighting up here's some reading for you about bears and lighting.


Bears and lighting

In online discussions of bear attacks, it is not unusual for people to claim that a person is more likely to be killed by lightning than to be killed by a bear. That is true, in a gross sense. You are also more likely to die of a heart attack or to be murdered than to be killed by a bear, when you use the entire United States population as a measure.

This comparison is disingenuous. It is easy to avoid being killed by a bear, simply by staying out of areas where there are bears. Lightning strikes occur all over the United States. Significant bear populations are limited to a fraction of the United States. The relative danger of bears and lightning depends a great deal on where you are.

missmolly: "I fear things like forks and tv remotes. The former will convey too much food to my mouth and the latter will keep me sedentary, weakening me in so many ways and restricting my liberty. So, if there's training available for shooting forks and remotes, where do I sign? "

I am sure missmolly that I can find some forks and remotes for you to shoot.

But after shooting them you will find out the target is not as important as the training and practical practice.

Had the guy in the tent been killed by the wolf, the distant faint voice of an old man would have been heard saying:

"His grave is unmarked, but it does not matter. He had always lived in the borderland anyway, somewhere between this world and the other... It was a good death"

If you have no idea what I am talking about, go see legends of the fall.

"It is easy to avoid being killed by a bear, simply by staying out of areas where there are bears. Lightning strikes occur all over the United States. Significant bear populations are limited to a fraction of the United States. The relative danger of bears and lightning depends a great deal on where you are."

Maybe, but if someone drew around all the areas of significant bear populations in the United States, more people would be killed by lighting than bears in those areas.

There are about 50 lightning fatalities in the United States each year, and less than two people a year by bears on average over the last ten years.

In Minnesota, it looks like 169 people were killed by lightning in 59-94, while one person was killed by a wild bear in recorded history.

This is a bow hunter telling his story of shooting an elk and being surrounded by wolves.

John Dudley on the Joe Rogan Podcast

I just want to be clear that John Dudley is a very credible person. He is one of the highest regarded archers in the world and has taught archery to Olympic teams. I want to say this because some people don't exactly believe his story.

Thanks for the link.

TomT: "This is a bow hunter telling his story of shooting an elk and being surrounded by wolves.
"

that's nothing, you want wolf stories? here's a wolf story:
wolf terrorizes girl


be afraid, be very very afraid

... and as a public service to the rest of you who travel on foot outdoors:
15 people in the US are killed each year from falling icicles
and over a hundred a year from falling trees

for the former I suppose I could use riverrunners firearm training to shoot the icicles before I walk under them

I'm not sure how the training would protect me from falling trees

Well ZaraSp00k if you feel your ability to handle and use your 9mm pistol that you claim to carry now and then is adequate.

Then you do not need my training.

But in your own words you have doubts about your abilities.

"I have my doubts about being able to use it while wrastlin' a wolf. But it's a nice security blanket while sleeping solo in the woods."

You or anybody else that has doubts, about their ability, would most likely benefit from some professional training.

If you have doubts about my professionalism. I been instructing for over 4 decades I have in instructor certificates from 3 certifying organizations.

In Rifle, shotgun, handgun, patrol rifle, police shotgun and police handgun. I was my department senior firearms instructor when I retired. I ran the county 4-Hs shooting for program for over a decade where I live.

I have and hold RSO and OIC range cards from the US army.

I taught and organized many instruct the instructor programs at the academy level.

I developed and ran many ranges and shooting programs. Hundreds of hours learning to be a an instructor. Many more hours of instructing and training then I can count.

My students have ranged from the youngest 4Hers to local, county, state, federal and military personnel.

And that is not even touching on over 5 decades of personal firearms experience.

RR, you have a deep CV, but commercial posting is a no-no, I think.

I'm not opposed to guns or hunting but I am sure as heck not carrying in the BWCA.

I have made many backpacking and canoe trips, no gun, no problem. My friends have made many trips, no gun, no problem. That is my reality.

There are many other aspects of a trip and life that are much more dangerous. A bunch of repeated loud talking, yet again, still doesn't change that reality.

missmolly: "RR, you have a deep CV, but commercial posting is a no-no, I think. "

I think we been through this before.

riverrunner: "

missmolly: "RR, you have a deep CV, but commercial posting is a no-no, I think. "

I think we been through this before."

If this was discussed earlier, what was the conclusion? Was there consensus? Did a mod or Adam make a ruling?

No one has contacted me.

My email is available to anybody needing it.

So when you become a moderator I will gladly take your advise.

But nice try in trying to shut down discussions you do not agree with.

By the way I can find remotes for you to shoot.

here is an interesting web site:
maps showing firearm related deaths/accidents
note that with the exception of large cities and CA in particular, the farther you get from Florida, the safer it is, the irony is that places like NE MN, ID, WY, MT where you are much more likely to encounter scary large animals that can do serious damage are the safest places in the US.

ZaraSp00k: "the irony is that places like NE MN, ID, WY, MT where you are much more likely to encounter scary large animals that can do serious damage are the safest places in the US."

It would take some pretty good analysis to tease apart the firearm incidents with general population density. I suspect the same maps (at least visually) would cover auto accidents, heart attacks, etc. Regardless, I'll stick with the scary, large animals (living in Wyoming, Montana and Alaska over the last 30 years).

ZaraSp00k: "here is an interesting web site:
maps showing firearm related deaths/accidents
note that with the exception of large cities and CA in particular, the farther you get from Florida, the safer it is, the irony is that places like NE MN, ID, WY, MT where you are much more likely to encounter scary large animals that can do serious damage are the safest places in the US."

When it comes to the murder rate in the US removes the large urban centers.

The rest of the country is as safe or safer as any place. Even through the rate of firearm owner ship is a lot higher in those areas.

riverrunner: "
When it comes to the murder rate in the US removes the large urban centers.


The rest of the country is as safe or safer as any place. Even through the rate of firearm owner ship is a lot higher in those areas."

American Academy of Pediatrics would differ with your opinion.
"In fact, suicides and shootings are actually more common among country dwellers than among city dwellers. Such was the surprising conclusion of a recent-released eight-year study of 24,000 firearms deaths in both environments. Past studies have shown similar disparities in the causes of firearms deaths, but this is the first to show that disparities exist in the pediatrics population too. Results of the study first appeared in the June issue of Pediatrics, the official journal of the America Academy of Pediatrics. The findings reflect the fact that the greater homicide rate in urban areas “is counterbalanced by greater suicide and unintentional firearms death rates in rural counties.” The lead author, Dr. Michael Nance, of Children’s Hospital in Philadelphia, has asserted that the findings “debunked the myth that firearms death is [only] a big-city problem”.

Or as rated by Politifact as "Pants on Fire"
"The cities cited in the meme accounted for 1,568 of 17,250, or 9.1 percent, of all homicides reported to the FBI in 2016, Tom Kovandzic, a criminologist at the University of Texas, Dallas, calculated for us. And without those cities, the homicide rate (per capita) would only decline by 7.73 percent, or from 5.34 to 4.93."

Banksiana: "

riverrunner: "
When it comes to the murder rate in the US removes the large urban centers.



The rest of the country is as safe or safer as any place. Even through the rate of firearm owner ship is a lot higher in those areas."

American Academy of Pediatrics would differ with your opinion.
"In fact, suicides and shootings are actually more common among country dwellers than among city dwellers. Such was the surprising conclusion of a recent-released eight-year study of 24,000 firearms deaths in both environments. Past studies have shown similar disparities in the causes of firearms deaths, but this is the first to show that disparities exist in the pediatrics population too. Results of the study first appeared in the June issue of Pediatrics, the official journal of the America Academy of Pediatrics. The findings reflect the fact that the greater homicide rate in urban areas “is counterbalanced by greater suicide and unintentional firearms death rates in rural counties.” The lead author, Dr. Michael Nance, of Children’s Hospital in Philadelphia, has asserted that the findings “debunked the myth that firearms death is [only] a big-city problem”.


Or as rated by Politifact as "Pants on Fire"
"The cities cited in the meme accounted for 1,568 of 17,250, or 9.1 percent, of all homicides reported to the FBI in 2016, Tom Kovandzic, a criminologist at the University of Texas, Dallas, calculated for us. And without those cities, the homicide rate (per capita) would only decline by 7.73 percent, or from 5.34 to 4.93."



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The suicide thing might not be totally true. Palo Alto CA has 5 times the suicide rate as national average amongst teens. Yes that is the Silicon Valley area= very very rich area.

Anyone know if is city people or country people(many are kids in my mind)doing these mass shootings? I am a country boy and had access to guns my whole life. Started hunting before I was 10. Brought a shot gun the school when I was 16, for a demonstration speech on how to clean it. Always had a shot gun in my car at school in the fall. It was duck hunting season!

Regarding Palo Alto: "The evidence all points to one cause underlying the different disturbances documented: pressure for high-octane achievement,” Luthar wrote. “The children of affluent parents expect to excel at school and in multiple extracurriculars and also in their social lives. … It plays out in crippling anxiety and depression, about anticipated or perceived achievement ‘failures.'”

I shoodah known topic drift would follow

If there was a similar map for deaths from wolves, bear, and mountain lion it would be pretty sparse, I believe just thre dots in the case of wolves, for the entire NA continent.

You are much more likely to die from a dog than a wolf, so I guess maybe carrying a gun in the city is a good idea, although I'm sure somebody is going to argue that it is more likely to happen in rural areas, lol

A lot of fear written, a lot of worrying, a lot of odds, perhaps ones paranoia created by ones very own imagination or the path we took in our journey of life. Nevertheless, if you want to sleep better in thr remote while in a tent, learn how to use a firearm. May be the sleeping partner you need for a good nights rest. One of our most powerful drives is the instinct to survive ever since creatures have crawled out the primordial muck. So take care of yourself. Peace

Here is a mn one that was talked about here when it happen

Boy, 16, recounts being attacked by wolf at northern Minnesota campsite

A 16-year-old Solway, Minn., boy was injured in an apparent wolf attack early Saturday morning as he rested in his tent on Lake Winnibigoshish near Cass Lake, according to the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources.

Written By: news@duluthnewstribune.com | Aug 27th 2013 - 12am.

Just returned from the BW. No sooner that I hit Echo Trail Rd. , a Wolf popped out, pranced along the timber line like a Throughbred while staying focus inside the timber, then as fast as he/she came... gone. I was headed for a Moose River South. I was with girl-my dog. Big Wolf. Very Dark. You see, during this month the bear hunters started to bait. As man wont walk too far into the timber to bait. They bring their game to the bait. As a result, the wolfs too, come in close. That would be my take on this.

With respect to Palo Alto, if the statistics are limited to suicides involving guns then it might not be a factor. All of the teen suicides there that I remember were by other causes. Also, it is a fairly small town and so even its very sad problem with teen stress and suicide would heave little impact on national statistics. I hate getting involved in these side conversations but I used to live there, still work one town over, and am there often.

andym: "With respect to Palo Alto, if the statistics are limited to suicides involving guns then it might not be a factor. All of the teen suicides there that I remember were by other causes. Also, it is a fairly small town and so even its very sad problem with teen stress and suicide would heave little impact on national statistics. I hate getting involved in these side conversations but I used to live there, still work one town over, and am there often."

I am sure if someone wants to take their own life they will find away. I would think they would look for the least painful way with the tools they have. Being pills, rope,gun,etc. Or for that matter if someone wants to take someone else's life they will find away either knife , vehicle, suicide vest, gun, etc.. To bad either way.

Now to go way off topic California has some great back country. Last spring I spent time in Death Valley and the surrounding area, Rhyolite Nv loved it. I need to get back and start work my way north from there. Saline Valley and the Chicken Strip are on my list!

riverrunner: "....That do not want to face the fact that predators sometimes look at humans as
food.

I am sure Candice Berner, Kenton Carnegie could have care less why the pack of wolfs that tore them apart and ate them did so.

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Wow, I'd never heard of these so I looked up Kenton Carnegie. Dang, guess it's not as inconceivable as I'd thought!

(and RR - as someone with zero (0) firearms skills, I might just have to add a day and take you up on that, if I ever get up your way for fishing,.. :) Not because of wolves or anything, just to have a clue. )

so few deaths by wolves that you can easily name the victims

… although it has never been determined if Kenton died from wolf or bear

but there are so few we'll add it to the total

ZaraSp00k: "so few deaths by wolves that you can easily name the victims


… although it has never been determined if Kenton died from wolf or bear


but there are so few we'll add it to the total"

CBC News · Posted: Nov 01, 2007 4:05 PM CT | Last Updated: November 1, 2007


A coroner's jury in Saskatchewan has determined that Ontario university student Kenton Carnegie was killed in a wolf attack.

Carnegie was 22 when he died in November 2005 near Points North Landing, Sask. On a work term for a company at the mining exploration camp, located about 750 kilometres northeast of Saskatoon, Carnegie went for a walk and didn't come back.

Searchers later found his body surrounded by wolves

HowardSprague: "

riverrunner: "....That do not want to face the fact that predators sometimes look at humans as
food.


I am sure Candice Berner, Kenton Carnegie could have care less why the pack of wolfs that tore them apart and ate them did so.


"

Wow, I'd never heard of these so I looked up Kenton Carnegie. Dang, guess it's not as inconceivable as I'd thought!


(and RR - as someone with zero (0) firearms skills, I might just have to add a day and take you up on that, if I ever get up your way for fishing,.. :) Not because of wolves or anything, just to have a clue. )"

Just Email me some time and I well gladly quote you a price and a training out line.

here are some video people will find interesting, note the technique becomes less frantic as time goes on:
man vs. wolf #2

man vs. wolf #3

man vs. wolf#1