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01/31/2020 03:09PM
Hi,
Any suggestions for packs that can carry quite a bit of weight, be comfortable on long portages (or hiking in general), and can sit on the bottom of a canoe and not get waterlogged? The pvc Sealine packs obviously meet the latter, but are quite horrible for carrying gear comfortably. Z Pack makes some nice ultralight water-resistant packs, built for backpacking, but they still recommend dry bags for all the gear inside that can get wet, which is fine if that’s whats needed. A little extra weight is better than waterlogged gear weight. Thanks
Any suggestions for packs that can carry quite a bit of weight, be comfortable on long portages (or hiking in general), and can sit on the bottom of a canoe and not get waterlogged? The pvc Sealine packs obviously meet the latter, but are quite horrible for carrying gear comfortably. Z Pack makes some nice ultralight water-resistant packs, built for backpacking, but they still recommend dry bags for all the gear inside that can get wet, which is fine if that’s whats needed. A little extra weight is better than waterlogged gear weight. Thanks
01/31/2020 03:30PM
Any pack lined with contractor clean-up 3-mil trash bags will keep everything inside perfectly dry. In fact, when canvas gets wet, the threads expand and tighten up the spaces in the weave, reducing water intrusion to a minimum. Place the pack flap side down in the canoe and the portion on your back will be relatively dry. Depending on how hard it is pouring rain, of course... :-)
"You can observe a lot just by watching." -- Yogi Berra
01/31/2020 03:47PM
Cooke Custom Sewing packs are thoughtfully designed, very comfortable and available in many sizes. They will customize if you need it.
Warning: once you get hooked on the quality of his packs you're going to want a tarp. That's how it starts...
Warning: once you get hooked on the quality of his packs you're going to want a tarp. That's how it starts...
01/31/2020 03:47PM
Yeah a pack liner is the way to go. I would also recommend using dry bags on the odds and ends to keep things dry and sorted anyways. I've never had an issue with my gear getting soaked but with portaging and trying to dry foot as much as possible, not much water tends to accumulate at the bottom of the canoe.
That said, I love my CCS hybrid pack. I went with the pioneer size. It is large enough that I would never want to fill it anyways. Maybe someday I might wish I had the guide so I could pack for my kids too, but at that point a second pack would be easier.
That said, I love my CCS hybrid pack. I went with the pioneer size. It is large enough that I would never want to fill it anyways. Maybe someday I might wish I had the guide so I could pack for my kids too, but at that point a second pack would be easier.
01/31/2020 04:07PM
For our group of 4 we use two (one per canoe, shared with those 2 guys) Granite Gear Traditional #4 for all the bulky things like sleeping bags, clothes, hammocks, tarps. A Kondos Trail pack for all of the shared equipment like axe, saw, cook kit, dishes, etc.. And a blue barrel w/ harness for food.
The #4's get lined with 42 gallon 3 mil contractor bags and the trail pack with an 18 gallon 2.5mil trash compactor bag. All packs have hip belts and are comfortable on portages with the liner bags making them waterproof.
Canoe carriers take the lighter #4's and the other guys take the food barrel and heavier equipment pack. Fishing poles and paddles get strapped to the canoes with BDB's. Makes for an easy and organized single portage.
The #4's get lined with 42 gallon 3 mil contractor bags and the trail pack with an 18 gallon 2.5mil trash compactor bag. All packs have hip belts and are comfortable on portages with the liner bags making them waterproof.
Canoe carriers take the lighter #4's and the other guys take the food barrel and heavier equipment pack. Fishing poles and paddles get strapped to the canoes with BDB's. Makes for an easy and organized single portage.
01/31/2020 04:56PM
You've brought up two extremes in packs--a Seal Line dry pack and a ZPack pack designed for ultralight backpacking. You can certainly use backpacking packs with liners for canoeing, and many do. The CCS packs mentioned are well executed canoe packs (and they need liners, too). A backpacking pack will carry better for longer hikes, and a canoe pack (e.g. CCS or Seal Line) are more effective for canoeing, but less comfortable for long hiking. Also, Seal Line makes dry packs which suck for hiking or long portages (the Boundary line), and they make some that are more comfortable (e.g. the Pros). I've done multi-mile portages with the Seal Line Pro pack (full, all 115l of it, and stuff on top!) and it works fine. But it's not a backpacking pack. Just about any lined hiking/backpacking pack will work for canoeing, but perhaps not ideal. Using canoe packs for backpacking or long distance hiking sucks.
01/31/2020 11:07PM
There's just nothing better than a CCS Pioneer pack with a $5.00 plastic pack liner. Your stuff will stay bone dry inside that pack liner, dry bag or not. The CCS pack will get wet, but it'll dry out. Don't buy an expensive dyneema bag for the BWCA, ultralight backpacks are meant for ultralight purposes. BWCA doesn't call for Ultralight material in my opinion, buy something like a CCS pack that will get at least 30 years of use, and you can swap out new pack liners when necessary for a negligible cost.
02/01/2020 06:29AM
SealLine's new pro packs have a proper harness system. Even with the old system, I put them miles above the heavy canvas packs. I don't understand the draw to a pack that absorbs water, making it heavier, and requires additional waterproofing to keep your gear inside dry. Makes no sense to me. I took a Hyperlite Mountain Gear pack last year and it worked very well too. The external pockets were nice for easy access to items that didn't need to be kept dry. (Chair, tarp, etc)
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02/01/2020 09:04AM
Portage packs are shaped differently than backpacking packs. Portage packs are wider, less tall and designed to fit better when placed in the canoe and sit lower on your back so they don't interfere with a portaged canoe. As others have said, the CCS Pioneer pack is awesome. I pair it with a 70L Sea to Summit ultra-sil pack liner. but you can use a contractor grade garbage bag for a pack liner as well.
Endeavor to persevere.
02/01/2020 01:58PM
Comfortable, heavy load, hiking, waterproofing. I'm not big on recommending specific items but in this case I will. Closeout Granite Gear Nimbus Trace 60-70-85 L sizes, very comfortable and adjustable I use a 60 L myself. Pair up with Sea to Summit Pack Liner.
I know most on this forum prefer portage packs, I never found them comfortable. Add in the backpacking and this is what I use. Picked mine and others up right at the factory in Two Harbors MN. Good folks and great service.
Dan at CCS makes a bunch of fine gear and I own more than my share but his packs never fit me the way I like.
butthead
I know most on this forum prefer portage packs, I never found them comfortable. Add in the backpacking and this is what I use. Picked mine and others up right at the factory in Two Harbors MN. Good folks and great service.
Dan at CCS makes a bunch of fine gear and I own more than my share but his packs never fit me the way I like.
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
02/02/2020 04:53PM
butthead: "Comfortable, heavy load, hiking, waterproofing. I'm not big on recommending specific items but in this case I will. Closeout Granite Gear Nimbus Trace 60-70-85 L sizes, very comfortable and adjustable I use a 60 L myself. Pair up with Sea to Summit Pack Liner.
I know most on this forum prefer portage packs, I never found them comfortable. Add in the backpacking and this is what I use. Picked mine and others up right at the factory in Two Harbors MN. Good folks and great service.
Dan at CCS makes a bunch of fine gear and I own more than my share but his packs never fit me the way I like.
butthead"
x2 on the Granite Gear Nimbus. As a former backpacker turned canoe addict, I like the ability to access the contents of my pack from the top or the bottom, especially on longer paddling/portaging days or if the weather is changing frequently. I line with two separate 3 or 4 mm contractor sacks and gear stays dry.
02/03/2020 04:18PM
My answer isn't a popular one. I've used portage packs before but I only use the Molle ll ACU packs. I have two large and a medium, with frames. I have pack liners designed to fit those packs. They sit great in the canoe, you can carry way more than you should, in both weight and volume. And they are pretty cheap to get.
That's just me, nobody will change my mind, but to each their own.
That's just me, nobody will change my mind, but to each their own.
02/04/2020 10:14AM
One more vote for CCS. However, I don't use a liner in the pack. I use waterproof stuff sacks for clothes and pillows. I realize I'm running a risk with the sleeping bags, but the stuff sacks for those are water resistant and unless we completely dump a pack (which has happened only once in 21 trips), then I've never had any issues. Own multiples of the Pioneer and the Explorer with no regrets along with the barrel packs Dan makes.
"While Jesus can make you wonderfully happy, he has no intention of making you normal." Erwin McManus
02/04/2020 10:32AM
bombinbrian: "My answer isn't a popular one. I've used portage packs before but I only use the Molle ll ACU packs. I have two large and a medium, with frames. I have pack liners designed to fit those packs. They sit great in the canoe, you can carry way more than you should, in both weight and volume. And they are pretty cheap to get.
That's just me, nobody will change my mind, but to each their own."
My friend has been using a medium ALICE pack since early 1970.
September 2018
02/05/2020 09:12AM
BWCA1313: "Hi,
Any suggestions for packs that can carry quite a bit of weight, be comfortable on long portages (or hiking in general), and can sit on the bottom of a canoe and not get waterlogged? The pvc Sealine packs obviously meet the latter, but are quite horrible for carrying gear comfortably. Z Pack makes some nice ultralight water-resistant packs, built for backpacking, but they still recommend dry bags for all the gear inside that can get wet, which is fine if that’s whats needed. A little extra weight is better than waterlogged gear weight. Thanks"
My vote goes for
Granite Gear Superior One. It's comfortable for portaging and lays well in the canoe, because that's what it's meant for. My normal canoeing buddies have seen me with it for a few trips now and are jealous. This year I think one of them is buying one. I do have a friend that uses a Sealine pack and it works fine, I just like this more.
02/06/2020 07:28AM
countrybois: "SealLine's new pro packs have a proper harness system. Even with the old system, I put them miles above the heavy canvas packs. I don't understand the draw to a pack that absorbs water, making it heavier, and requires additional waterproofing to keep your gear inside dry. Makes no sense to me. I took a Hyperlite Mountain Gear pack last year and it worked very well too. The external pockets were nice for easy access to items that didn't need to be kept dry. (Chair, tarp, etc)
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I agree 100%
02/06/2020 11:47PM
KarlBAndersen1: "I have switched to the Seal Line Pro pack. Period.
I have 70L and 120L.
They are built like a tank. The amazingly adjustable harness also has a semi-rigid "frame" for support.
And they're water proof.
Seal Line Pro Pack "
+1
So many fish,so little time
02/07/2020 12:26AM
One more thing to mention, after you get a pack you really aren't going to notice most of the differences. Without a side by side comparison, you just get used to what you have. Just get something that can get in and out of the canoe easily enough and has the appropriate straps for securing the load and hauling. That and durability is all you need.
I like the CCS packs because they were designed specifically with the Boundary Waters in mind and a local shop, but Duluth pack, Granite Gear, Sealine are all good brands too, just not ones I am familiar with personally. So don't stress too much about what you get, just get something you won't constantly second guess.
I like the CCS packs because they were designed specifically with the Boundary Waters in mind and a local shop, but Duluth pack, Granite Gear, Sealine are all good brands too, just not ones I am familiar with personally. So don't stress too much about what you get, just get something you won't constantly second guess.
02/25/2020 01:59PM
I don't know why Battle Lake packs don't get more press. We have two Grand Portage packs. They are simply the best packs I have ever used in the BWCA. They are huge (problematic for some) but sturdy, stout, with superior craftsmanship. They have fully adjustable straps, to include straps that will bring the top of the pack closer to your back once the pack is one. Waist belt that is also multiple adjustable, as well as a sternum strap. I haven't yet figured out how to destroy on.
Minnesota made. I highly recommend them.
Battle Lake Grand Portage pack
Mike
I did indeed rock down to Electric Avenue, but I did not take it higher. I regret that.
02/26/2020 11:08AM
I would skip all the waterproof PVC bags. The BWCA is brutal on gear. These are just not durable enough. The only thing I really care about getting wet is my down sleeping bag and down jacket. I throw that in a PVC stuff sack. Food is primarily all in ziplocs of sorts.
For full on waterproof, I also reccommend simply putting everything in durable plastic bags, contractor style.
For full on waterproof, I also reccommend simply putting everything in durable plastic bags, contractor style.
02/28/2020 08:02AM
MikeinMpls: "I wasn't aware of this company. I checked them out. They have a lot more than just Portage packs as well. Thanks for the link
I don't know why Battle Lake packs don't get more press. We have two Grand Portage packs. They are simply the best packs I have ever used in the BWCA. They are huge (problematic for some) but sturdy, stout, with superior craftsmanship. They have fully adjustable straps, to include straps that will bring the top of the pack closer to your back once the pack is one. Waist belt that is also multiple adjustable, as well as a sternum strap. I haven't yet figured out how to destroy on.
Minnesota made. I highly recommend them.
Battle Lake Grand Portage pack
Mike"
10/14/2021 06:43AM
Blatz: "MikeinMpls: "
I don't know why Battle Lake packs don't get more press. We have two Grand Portage packs. They are simply the best packs I have ever used in the BWCA. They are huge (problematic for some) but sturdy, stout, with superior craftsmanship. They have fully adjustable straps, to include straps that will bring the top of the pack closer to your back once the pack is one. Waist belt that is also multiple adjustable, as well as a sternum strap. I haven't yet figured out how to destroy on.
Minnesota made. I highly recommend them.
Battle Lake Grand Portage pack
+1
Mike"
I wasn't aware of this company. I checked them out. They have a lot more than just Portage packs as well. Thanks for the link.
10/14/2021 06:46AM
This is what I purchased in 60L : Mier Dry Bag. I used it once this season and I like it. Previously, I used commercial-grade trash liners in my pack(s).
“If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.” Sir Isaac Newton
10/14/2021 11:32AM
Blatz: "MikeinMpls: "I wasn't aware of this company. I checked them out. They have a lot more than just Portage packs as well. Thanks for the link"
I don't know why Battle Lake packs don't get more press. We have two Grand Portage packs. They are simply the best packs I have ever used in the BWCA. They are huge (problematic for some) but sturdy, stout, with superior craftsmanship. They have fully adjustable straps, to include straps that will bring the top of the pack closer to your back once the pack is one. Waist belt that is also multiple adjustable, as well as a sternum strap. I haven't yet figured out how to destroy on.
Minnesota made. I highly recommend them.
Battle Lake Grand Portage pack
Mike"
I only just learned about them as well. They clearly need to improve their marketing. And their website. Oh my is that website bad. Especially with how many different products they have, they really need to update it to be more efficient to navigate and see decent photos of their products. Good products can speak for themselves, but for them to do that you need to get them in the hands of enough people first, and to do that, people need to even know you exist in the first place. Sure, CCS has a pretty rough website as well, but he doesn't have nearly so many products to sort through, and he's already gained enough awareness and reputation to make-up for it.
01/16/2022 10:08AM
Do not get the 'Boundary Waters' labeled bags from Cabelas. Complete junk.
The straps pulled out half way through the trip. The first trip I took my kids on we used old army duffles. Use those before buying Cabela's bags.
I replaced with a granite gear #4 and a Levelsix algonquin. The level six is the better pack but they will both be better than the Cabela's. The GG #4 doesn't have any back padding... That's fine. I'll just unfold a ground pad in it to give it form and some cushion.
A lot of members here say, "buy once, cry once". I used to think that was a gearoid's mantra to justify buying expensive hear. The Cabela's bags disabused me of that notion. I ended up spending $500 for $300 worth of bags.
I should have just cried once and bought two $250 bags.
The straps pulled out half way through the trip. The first trip I took my kids on we used old army duffles. Use those before buying Cabela's bags.
I replaced with a granite gear #4 and a Levelsix algonquin. The level six is the better pack but they will both be better than the Cabela's. The GG #4 doesn't have any back padding... That's fine. I'll just unfold a ground pad in it to give it form and some cushion.
A lot of members here say, "buy once, cry once". I used to think that was a gearoid's mantra to justify buying expensive hear. The Cabela's bags disabused me of that notion. I ended up spending $500 for $300 worth of bags.
I should have just cried once and bought two $250 bags.
01/17/2022 09:49PM
fadersup: "Cooke Custom Sewing packs are thoughtfully designed, very comfortable and available in many sizes. They will customize if you need it.
I second this.
Warning: once you get hooked on the quality of his packs you're going to want a tarp. That's how it starts..."
You say that like it's a bad thing.
01/17/2022 09:50PM
I do loads of long distance and thru hiking. Z packs make great hiking packs ( I use primarily gossamer gear packs) and you can certainly use them on a canoe trip. But, most of the portages in the BWCA and quetico are less than a mile long and don't require such a light pack. The recommended max weight for many of the Zpacks packs is about 25 lbs or under.
CCS packs will carry more load more comfortably - and you'll need fewer packs and trips over the portages - unless you're going ultralight on a short trip.
CCS packs will carry more load more comfortably - and you'll need fewer packs and trips over the portages - unless you're going ultralight on a short trip.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
01/31/2022 07:14PM
foxfireniner: "Do not get the 'Boundary Waters' labeled bags from Cabelas. Complete junk.
The straps pulled out half way through the trip. The first trip I took my kids on we used old army duffles. Use those before buying Cabela's bags.
I replaced with a granite gear #4 and a Levelsix algonquin. The level six is the better pack but they will both be better than the Cabela's. The GG #4 doesn't have any back padding... That's fine. I'll just unfold a ground pad in it to give it form and some cushion.
A lot of members here say, "buy once, cry once". I used to think that was a gearoid's mantra to justify buying expensive hear. The Cabela's bags disabused me of that notion. I ended up spending $500 for $300 worth of bags.
I should have just cried once and bought two $250 bags."
I have their big roll top bag. Straps ripped off of it the very first time I picked it up when it was full. That was 5 trips ago but we continue to use it. My son and I put our sleeping bags, tent, chairs and a few other small loose items in it. It’s kind of a catch all for our group. It does lay nice in the bottom of the canoe under the thwarts. Depending on the trip we’ll either toss it over our shoulder and go or strap it to a pack frame and carry it that way. Kind nice for all the empty bags (tent bags, sleeping bag sacks, chair bags etc) around camp. No need to keep that stuff inside or under the tarp. We also bring a Granite Gear Superior One. Tons of room, comfortable to carry and again rides well in the canoe.
02/01/2022 10:53AM
We use a CCS pack, and have/use other older GG, Kondo, Duluth packs. Have largely ditched the liner bag and gone to waterproof stuff sacks and compression sacks. Keeps things organized better. CCS is comfy and most functional. AND, about a 1/2 sheet of closed cell foam (cheap and light) in bottom of canoe keeps packs out of the puddle. Slide it under seat/bow for portage. Use for door mat in camp.
02/01/2022 12:39PM
fadersup: "Cooke Custom Sewing packs are thoughtfully designed, very comfortable and available in many sizes. They will customize if you need it.
Warning: once you get hooked on the quality of his packs you're going to want a tarp. That's how it starts..."
+1
02/01/2022 01:28PM
I used a CCS hybrid pack for the first time last year and was immediately hooked. I'll never use anything else. That top zippered pocket is so convenient. I have the pioneer size.
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02/01/2022 06:25PM
If you've got lots of money, you've got good suggestions. I bought used Kondos outfitter packs to start on my own, and never regreted it. Over the years I've picked up a couple of CCI packs. On rare occasion we're tandem (mostly solo now) I still use a Kondos.
02/02/2022 10:39AM
I recommend Duluth packs with a 6 mil liner. They fit great into the bottom of the canoe, and keep everything dry. They probably will outlast you. I have 4 of them from 1980. Still nothing wrong. I really like the way you can hoist one on your back, then grab a second Duluth pack and sling it on top of the other Duluth pack. You only need one hand to balance the second pack strap. Then grab loose gear with the other hand.
I think they are plenty comfortable for long portages. I’ve done the long portage 1 1/2 miles, and the Grand Portage with these 8 1/2 miles. Use the tumpline across the top of your head, not your forehead like most do, and most of the weight is placed in a line with your spine and off your shoulders.
I think they are plenty comfortable for long portages. I’ve done the long portage 1 1/2 miles, and the Grand Portage with these 8 1/2 miles. Use the tumpline across the top of your head, not your forehead like most do, and most of the weight is placed in a line with your spine and off your shoulders.
"So many lakes, so little time." WWJD
02/02/2022 01:32PM
Savage Voyageur: "I recommend Duluth packs with a 6 mil liner. "
IMO, 6 mil liner bags are overkill, but to each their own. These 3 mil contractor bags are readily available at Fleet Farm, Menards and other such fine retailers. Most of the time, these 3 mil bags will last multiple trips when used inside of a canoe pack.
"Keep close to Nature's heart, yourself; and break clear away, once in a while, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean." ~ John Muir
02/02/2022 01:54PM
As so many others have said, I highly recommend the CCS Hybrid packs. My group uses the Pioneer packs. For a liner I recommend the Sea to Summit 70L Ultra-Sil pack liner. It fits perfectly in the Pioneer pack.
Endeavor to persevere.
02/02/2022 03:03PM
unshavenman: "As so many others have said, I highly recommend the CCS Hybrid packs. My group uses the Pioneer packs. For a liner I recommend the Sea to Summit 70L Ultra-Sil pack liner. It fits perfectly in the Pioneer pack."
For the record, there are 24 bags in a box of Contractor Cleanup Bags. Cost is around $16.00. Not arguing the overall quality of the Sea to Summit pack liners, but those bags cost the same as 2-3 boxes of the Contractor bags and I've never had a leaking issue with the Contractor bags. Some people buy Chevys and some buy Cadillacs. They both get you down the road.
"Keep close to Nature's heart, yourself; and break clear away, once in a while, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean." ~ John Muir
02/02/2022 03:26PM
While many support the use of contractor bags or other plastic liners I prefered to go with long term usage and bought a Ultra-Sil Pack Liner Been using this for more than a decade.
butthead
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
02/02/2022 03:35PM
butthead: "While many support the use of contractor bags or other plastic liners I prefered to go with long term usage and bought a Ultra-Sil Pack Liner Been using this for more than a decade.
butthead"
I've always been leery of fabric waterproof bags, and especially superlight ones. Do you periodically test it for waterproofness? And has it held up?
02/03/2022 06:19AM
fadersup: "Cooke Custom Sewing packs are thoughtfully designed, very comfortable and available in many sizes. They will customize if you need it.
Warning: once you get hooked on the quality of his packs you're going to want a tarp. That's how it starts..."
Hahahaha! This is so true!!
04/14/2022 12:53PM
Back when my family first started taking trips, we would use traditional backpacking packs since that’s what we already had. But now that we’re a bit more serious, we invested in portage packs as they fit nicer between the thwarts. We use a Frost River Old #3 canoe pack and a Granite Gear Traditional #4 portage pack. I don’t recall ever having a problem with things getting wet in either bag even in pouring rain without a liner. The hip belt on the Frost River pack is not padded and the belt style clasp makes taking it off a slower process, but it hasn’t bothered me that much.
04/23/2022 10:29AM
Pack liners are a must to keep gear dry. As indicated above select a style that suits you. Buy, rent, or borrow a pack designed for canoe camping. These will relatively easily slide in and out of canoes. Non canoe packs often have extra straps, pockets, and miscellaneous parts to them that easily snag when putting them in or taking them out of canoes, or on portages.
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