Anyone still just use a plain old back to hang their food?

Around here on our backpacking trips we just hang a the food bag and I have never had a problem. I picked up a bear vault on sale last year but have never used it. My only concern is that it does not get smaller as the day go on and food is used up. Is there bear vault still the best option for the bwca?

Stopped hanging food bags over 20 years ago. I got tired of the hassle of finding a good hanging spot. I now use a Bear Vault and a Garcia (if needed due to length of trip) and have never felt the need for further protection of food. The bear vault seems more weather proof but its not really an issue.

I just take them back in the woods and leave them sitting on the ground at night. As the trip goes on and space becomes available I start putting the trash bag in one or the other. Its also nice to have the room for leftovers.

My food is stored in OpSak's stored in an Ursack tied to the base of a small tree at the edge of camp. Simple, light weight, easily pack-able, and effective. I keep camp clean too which probably is more important than food storage.

My $100 Ursack came in the mail yesterday, and my wife happened to be looking over my shoulder when I opened it. I explained it was a food bag that a bear could not get in to. I got the classic line of "No, seriously, what is it?"
Showing her the YouTube video of the captive bears trying unsuccessfully to open it did not help. Frankly....I am a bit suspect myself.

MB

I've been using an Ursack White the last 3 years. It hasn't been tested with a Bear yet, maybe mice. Nothing has disturbed my food. That perfect tree branch rarely exists and I really don't want to carry a rope and pulley system. Using an Opsack , some good knots, clean camp site, with you Ursack will get you there.

I quit hanging bags years ago. I also quit any real camp-cooking years ago as well, doing all rehydration and no-need-to-cook items. It keeps a cleaner camp that is also a lot less odor. But bears still come for other smells - nuts, nut butters, fruit, garbage, toothpaste, TUMs tablets, toothpaste - they can smell it. Used a 5 gal plastic pail with fitted lid when I was poor. Used a bear barrel for about ten years when I wasn't as poor, and hated it. Bulky and unforgiving. Bought an Ursack last summer, and will be buying a second one for longer trips this summer. The only animals that have tested the integrity of any of these systems through the years have been in the order Rodentia. A bear came into camp last October at a state park area but left when I climbed out of the hammock and made a lot of noise. I untied the Ursack and walked the mile out to my parked car on that trip. The reflector rope is really helpful. I don't doubt the integrity of the fabric against bear teeth (or rodent teeth if you buy the Kevlar weave), but you better have faith in your knot or they will just trot right out of camp with it.

I've rarely seen an effective tree for hanging a food pack from in the Boreal. Don't use the Bear Vault much anymore as it is heavy and as you stated doesn't get smaller. Good as a seat, stool, or bench though. Been using Ursack AllMighty's for several years and I am a sold. Light weight, no screwing around looking for a place to hang, and rodent proof.

Ursack, I pack small. Like the reduction in size as a trip goes on. Hung traditionally but mice and small toothy critters regularly pillage my bags. Ursack solved the problems and fit my style. Have even tied to a picnic table in a WI State Park camp to watch the racoons try to get into it, they had no success!

butthead

For the last 5 years on solo trips I use Ursacks lined with Opsaks and leave them on the ground overnight (disclaimer: I travel in Central Ontario - mostly Algonquin, Temagami). No animal ever touched them to the best of my knowledge. One Ursack keeps up to 5-6 days worth of food for me. Two Ursacks with crashables have aluminum liners, so they do not reduce in size with time, and one doesn't have a liner - I use it mostly for commercially packed freeze dried food.

My progression has been: hang a dry bag, bear canister, Ursack. So much simpler than hanging. The Ursacks are lighter and not as bulky as the canisters. The canisters can hold other things as space permits and can be a seat too. I use the OPsack with the Ursacks (and canisters). I also eat mostly dehydrated meals that just require hot water for rehydration, so not a real big bear magnet.

Seems like many Ursack users like myself, do the water only cooking. It's good way to go for me. The only cleanup is a bowl (in the morning ), my spork and drinking cup. Keeps everything nice and tidy.

I only do dehydrated/rehydrate and ready to eat foods/snacks. Sounds like a lot of people like the Ursack better. I always pack as small and light as I can now thinking the Bear Vault is not the answer.

To the OP question, I still hang my CCS deluxe good pack. Never had a real problem finding the right tree in Q or Bdub, and enjoy the sport of hanging.

When traveling with hubby, we hang food pack. On my own, I plan to use a bear vault and/or ursack.

Hung food on a handful of trips and didn't care for it much. Some of that is based on a trip partner that got a bunch of rope stuck in a tree, bu t I digress.

Easier to pack along a BV. I tend to do a decent amount of prepared meals so freshness is not a factor.

billconner: "To the OP question, I still hang my CCS deluxe good pack. Never had a real problem finding the right tree in Q or Bdub, and enjoy the sport of hanging."

It can be therapeutic like rigging a tarp or basket weaving!

butthead

I hung when I first started, then bought a 60l barrel and harness. So much simpler. A few years ago I went to a 30L. There is a nice video of a bear taking a barrel down that was hung then walked away.
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I am trying to get my weight and pack down to be able to do a single portage. I picked up a bv500 from REI, but it is hard to get 5 days worth of dehydrated food in for one person with out repackaging. It does double as a seat. I also want to get other smelly stuff in there too. Midwest had 29% off one item today for leap day. I ended up getting an Almighty too. Maybe I have to much gear. Then
I seen a 20L that the Happy Camper was using. I thought that looked nice and would work better as a seat.
20l

billconner: "Never had a real problem finding the right tree in Q or Bdub, and enjoy the sport of hanging."

I agree. I hung my food for years and while some sites make it easier than others, I could always find suitable trees and considered it a challenge. And there is no bear barrel equivalent to the joyful feeling of tossing your rock over just the right branch and having it pull the cord all the way to the ground on the first try! Once in a while I sort of miss the task of hanging, but I don't miss spending 20 minutes or so on the process.

I know use a barrel and/or Ursack depending on my needs. Not only is it easier, but it allows better protection during the day while I am using it. You can always just slip the lid back on in seconds if a bear walks into camp while I am cooking.

Some mention of using dehydrated boil in bag meals to fit in a Ursack or canister due to size. While my meal habits may be different here is the contents of my food and cooking gear for a 10 day Quetico trip 2015.

Dried, freeze dried, pre-cooked, powdered ingredients to make a variety of meals.
I use a Sea To Summit 11L rolltop drybag as a liner for the Ursack. As the food reduced in volume the cook gear also went in the Ursack. 10 days solo is what I can fit, with a few small meals left over at the trips end.

butthead

Will my new Ursack Major XL defeat the teeth of the smaller than bear critters? The website and videos might have you believe you will need the Allmitey version with kevlar to turn away all comers.

MB

I have a Major and a Minor both have been gnawed by small vermin up to raccoons. No apparent damage.

butthead

butthead: "Some mention of using dehydrated boil in bag meals to fit in a Ursack or canister due to size. While my meal habits may be different here is the contents of my food and cooking gear for a 10 day Quetico trip 2015.

Dried, freeze dried, pre-cooked, powdered ingredients to make a variety of meals.
I use a Sea To Summit 11L rolltop drybag as a liner for the Ursack. As the food reduced in volume the cook gear also went in the Ursack. 10 days solo is what I can fit, with a few small meals left over at the trips end.

butthead"

Thanks for the pictures.

About 30 years ago I started bringing my food pack back in the woods away from any trails. I leave it on the ground and just wrap the waist belt around a tree - I have never had an issue. Maybe some day, but so far so good.

jrlatt: "...I picked up a bv500 from REI, but it is hard to get 5 days worth of dehydrated food in for one person with out repackaging..."

Agree, but with our Mountain House meals (not the Pro Pack variety), I have found something that helps a surprisingly great deal: poke a pinhole in the package, suck the extra air out, and cover the hole with a bit of tape.

I employ all 3 methods in the title. It depends on how big the group is, how many portages, and how many days. My favorite is the Bear Vault because it is clear making it easy to locate items, it serves as a stool or small table, it can also double as a unit to wash clothes in. I added reflective tape so it's easy to find. It's quick and easy to open and close. I'm down to two of these (from four) and they fit easily into a CCS Bushcrafter. It keeps critters out but it's not water tight or odor-proof. If the group is four people and the trip is four days or longer I use a blue barrel and a CCS Quad Harness. I do hang this at night and when not in camp. It's water-tight and keeps the small critters out. Some people say that they are odor proof-they must not have one that has a tiny hole under the clasp to equalize pressure so you can get the lid on and off with altitude changes. I also have two Ursack Almighty's. These keep both small and very large critters out. It's recommended to use odor-proof bags inside of them. If you do then it would protect the contents from water. As food gets used up these take up less space. They also conform very well inside your pack, although you may crush your food; I don't worry about it because I go about 90% freeze-dried. With the blue barrel and the Bear Vault's, as food it used up it generally get's replaced with other gear so again as the trip goes on the packs get smaller. It's probably not a bad idea to use odor-proof bags in all 3 methods described above.

schweady: "

jrlatt: "...I picked up a bv500 from REI, but it is hard to get 5 days worth of dehydrated food in for one person with out repackaging..."

Agree, but with our Mountain House meals (not the Pro Pack variety), I have found something that helps a surprisingly great deal: poke a pinhole in the package, suck the extra air out, and cover the hole with a bit of tape.
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That is a good idea as long as I make sure to eat them up. I was also thinking the unopened would go in the bag and keep the other stuff in the little BV depending on trip length.
Have a nice day.

I have a blue barrel that I stash in the woods. I got sick of hanging because we always seem to have issues with getting the rope stuck in the tree at some point during the trip. Eventually this leads to me climbing the tree to get it unstuck so I said "screw it" and bought the blue barrel.

I know the barrel isn't bear proof, but neither was hanging the pack. How often did we really get it high enough or far enough from the tree? We have hung the pack at night before then laughed at how terrible of a job we did the next morning. To me, the barrel seems safer because I'm no longer climbing a tree, the food is not where a problematic bear would be looking for it, and it's not dependent on finding the perfect tree to hang a pack.

Another thought I had was rigging an alarm to the barrel to give us time to scare a bear off before it did get to the food. I know the barrel is not bear proof but it should take a little time for them to get through it. Is there anything like a buzzer that goes off if it is knocked over?

A1t2o: "I have a blue barrel that I stash in the woods. I got sick of hanging because we always seem to have issues with getting the rope stuck in the tree at some point during the trip. Eventually this leads to me climbing the tree to get it unstuck so I said "screw it" and bought the blue barrel.


I know the barrel isn't bear proof, but neither was hanging the pack. How often did we really get it high enough or far enough from the tree? We have hung the pack at night before then laughed at how terrible of a job we did the next morning. To me, the barrel seems safer because I'm no longer climbing a tree, the food is not where a problematic bear would be looking for it, and it's not dependent on finding the perfect tree to hang a pack.


Another thought I had was rigging an alarm to the barrel to give us time to scare a bear off before it did get to the food. I know the barrel is not bear proof but it should take a little time for them to get through it. Is there anything like a buzzer that goes off if it is knocked over?"

Have read about people just setting pots and pans on top that will makes noise when the barrel is tipped over.

gkimball: "Have read about people just setting pots and pans on top that will makes noise when the barrel is tipped over."

I'm a heavy sleeper and don't trust myself to get up with a one time noise like the pots falling over. I work with electronics so maybe I will just design a simple pressure switch connected to a security alarm, similar to a fire detector. It should only need 4 parts, a 9V battery, alarm buzzer, power switch, and a trigger. The main problem would be waterproofing it though...

These should wake up even deep sleepers.

A1t2o: "

gkimball: "Have read about people just setting pots and pans on top that will makes noise when the barrel is tipped over."

I'm a heavy sleeper and don't trust myself to get up with a one time noise like the pots falling over. I work with electronics so maybe I will just design a simple pressure switch connected to a security alarm, similar to a fire detector. It should only need 4 parts, a 9V battery, alarm buzzer, power switch, and a trigger. The main problem would be waterproofing it though..."

Maybe a simple is a mercury switch, 9V and a muRata buzzer. I bought a box of those things on ebay a couple of years ago...only needed one...lol.

Sound Grenade

Bear vault gives you a nice stool to sit on.

as you empty it out, you can always stuff other crap in it.

I hang as well as stash. It just depends on which park I'm camping in and my level of fatigue at the end of the day.

Topic has been beaten to death on this forum, use google! (or ask your friendly BWCA.com moderators to start using Sticky topics to organize and collate data, they think if you ask the same question 10000 times and answer it 10001 times, it increases traffic lol!)

GearGuy: "Topic has been beaten to death on this forum, use google! (or ask your friendly BWCA.com moderators to start using Sticky topics to organize and collate data, they think if you ask the same question 10000 times and answer it 10001 times, it increases traffic lol!)"

Wow! Someone needs a Snickers Bar.

GearGuy: "Topic has been beaten to death on this forum, use google! (or ask your friendly BWCA.com moderators to start using Sticky topics to organize and collate data, they think if you ask the same question 10000 times and answer it 10001 times, it increases traffic lol!)"

Wow! Someone needs a Snickers Bar.

DuluthPak, I fully agree both times.

butthead

We have hung for the last several years, and probably will continue to do so. Maybe someday down the road spend the money on an Ursack, but I have other gear I want to buy first. Typically hang a waterproof stuff sack 20L or 30L (Cabela's or the like).

Like others have said, it can be somewhat therapeutic, until its been about 50 throws and you just want to sit and enjoy the sunset instead :)

DuluthPak: "Wow! Someone needs a Snickers Bar. "

This problem began occurring about the same time another problem went away. Just a coincidence, or is there more to it?

DuluthPak: "

GearGuy: "Topic has been beaten to death on this forum, use google! (or ask your friendly BWCA.com moderators to start using Sticky topics to organize and collate data, they think if you ask the same question 10000 times and answer it 10001 times, it increases traffic lol!)"

Wow! Someone needs a Snickers Bar. "

I think that it's good to have conversations like this regularly. It's clearly something that's on people's minds and details can change year to year. Things like that sound grenade can make a difference. I know I'm going to rig one up tied between a tree and the barrel. So I'm glad this topic was brought up.

I do not hang my food, but I do the hang the garbage bag. mainly to keep the small critters from dragging it all around camp. I have a tennis ball that I tied a little loop on with the help of a curved heavy duty needle. It works pretty well.

We travel with a blue barrel and we hang it. Probably overkill but we have never had a problem so we're sticking with it. On occasion we have had to stash it (with the hip belt around a tree). Don't feel great about that since the blue barrels are not 'bear proof', but we lucked out and didn't have any problems. Hanging the barrel has become a group challenge and with the 3 rope system we have managed to get some pretty good hangs even when we don't have great trees to work with. The first system on the link below doesn't take much time once you have it down.

Two tree system

Northwoodsman: "

DuluthPak: "Wow! Someone needs a Snickers Bar. "

This problem began occurring about the same time another problem went away. Just a coincidence, or is there more to it?"

I wondered the exact same thing. Did some research, they don't appear to be connected. Still curious about the disappearance though.

butthead: "Some mention of using dehydrated boil in bag meals to fit in a Ursack or canister due to size. While my meal habits may be different here is the contents of my food and cooking gear for a 10 day Quetico trip 2015.

Dried, freeze dried, pre-cooked, powdered ingredients to make a variety of meals.
I use a Sea To Summit 11L rolltop drybag as a liner for the Ursack. As the food reduced in volume the cook gear also went in the Ursack. 10 days solo is what I can fit, with a few small meals left over at the trips end.


butthead"

What's the multi-colored stuff in the ziploc in column 3? And as long as I'm at it...which stove made the cut for that trip in the MSR bag? (and why the bottle covering the fuel bottle)

"What's the multi-colored stuff in the ziploc in column 3? And as long as I'm at it...which stove made the cut for that trip in the MSR bag? (and why the bottle covering the fuel bottle) "

The bag of pink stuff next to that is a mixed bag of "Just Fruit Munchies"

On the trip I took the Dragonfly over a canister stove and the bottle cover is to protect the pump on the bottle when packed. Another 11 day trip in 2017 I used a small remote canister and a 4 ounce + a 8 ounce canister supply.

butthead

Gadfly: "

Northwoodsman: "

DuluthPak: "Wow! Someone needs a Snickers Bar. "

This problem began occurring about the same time another problem went away. Just a coincidence, or is there more to it?"

I wondered the exact same thing. Did some research, they don't appear to be connected. Still curious about the disappearance though. "

I'm just guessing, but it sure brings to mind a "freakin!" similar issue from about a year ago. I thought it resulted in a banned aid being applied by the mods. But, I could be wrong - wouldn't be the first time.

OO0pPs bh

We usually have a group of 8, we hang food pack(s). I picked up a "Pack-a-pull", which is a small paracord block and tackle set. Expensive for what it is, but makes it easy and is light weight. Use the yellow throw cord the arborists use (forget what its called) as a main line between two trees, and paracord for the pulleys. It's one-time set up base camping, and we can raise / lower two bags independently. Works great. We use the PCA method and just leave the cords hang.

I truly hope I'm not jinxing myself for our trip with this. But, in all the trips we've taken to Quetico we have never hung a pack. Always just use a normal duluth pack for food. Set all metal objects on top of the pack at night on a rocky area. Can only remember a couple occurrences with raccoons. Never even seen a bear in the wild tbh. Now I bring my 90lbs dog with. He let's out a good growl once or twice a trip at night. Our outfitter has also told just having a dog in camp is a great bear repellent. Anyone have any insight to this?

Dogs sound a lot like Wolves. Wolves will eat a bear.
Wolves Yes I do agree with your outfitter.

Wondering if I fixed the quote chain. :( It's not working. Sorry folks. Butthead you should edit your post and remove the extra quote tag you have, after the first one (inside the quotations for cyclone30's text).

I do love my Ursacks. If I'm going on a longer canoe trip, we'll use barrels, but for shorter ones and for hiking, the Ursacks are excellent options. We'll be using a barrel and 2 Ursacks for 3 guys for 9 days this June. No messing around with hanging for us!

I wonder how many ursack users tie their sacks (ursack that is) to a tree or solid fixed object. A bear will walk off it even if they can’t get in it at the time. Also note the rope you’d need for that.
I searched out this thread as I didn’t really know about the major and almighty. Looks like some have them.

nctry: "I wonder how many ursack users tie their sacks (ursack that is) to a tree or solid fixed object. A bear will walk off it even if they can’t get in it at the time. Also note the rope you’d need for that.
I searched out this thread as I didn’t really know about the major and almighty. Looks like some have them."

I always tie mine to a tree for that reason. The rope on the Ursack has always been plenty long .

I realize that you don't NEED to hang the Ursack and can simply hide it or tie it to a tree but I'm curious how many people hang anyway. Obviously hanging is a PITA but does the bear-resistant (Ursack) or rodent-resistant (Allmitey) quality make people feel good enough just to tie off at/near ground level? I'd still be skeptical.

Blatz: "

nctry: "I wonder how many ursack users tie their sacks (ursack that is) to a tree or solid fixed object. A bear will walk off it even if they can’t get in it at the time. Also note the rope you’d need for that.
I searched out this thread as I didn’t really know about the major and almighty. Looks like some have them."

I always tie mine to a tree for that reason. The rope on the Ursack has always been plenty long . "

+1 I use the Almighty Ursack. I find a sturdy tree a little ways away from camp and trails and tie it to the base of the tree. The rope used to close the Ursack is plenty long. No lost food or other problems from "little bears" or black bears in the BWCA after several years and 6+ trips with Ursacks.

Yes, I tie mine following the instructions you can find on the Ursack website. I am more confident in it than hanging a pack. The Ursack and bear canisters are more effective than hanging a bag/pack, which is why places with a "bear problem" require them. Nothing is 100% effective.

I have the older Ursacks and usually tie around the trunk, above a moderately thick branch to keep them off the ground. Not sure that is necessary.

Even with the older models, I haven't had any problems with little critters. On our first trip, with a first-generation Ursack we had it lying on a log around the fire pit when a squirrel jumped on it. The squirrel seemed very interested but couldn't find a way to get into it or bite it and gave up after a bit.

nctry: "I wonder how many ursack users tie their sacks (ursack that is) to a tree or solid fixed object. A bear will walk off it even if they can’t get in it at the time. Also note the rope you’d need for that.
I searched out this thread as I didn’t really know about the major and almighty. Looks like some have them."

Ben, I have 2, 1 old and 1 when Jan ordered the bunch. They both have bite proof cords long enough to tie around an 6+ inch tree trunk/branch. I tie mine at head height, or sometime add a length of cordage and toss it over a branch, hang it.

butthead

jdoutdoors: "Wondering if I fixed the quote chain. :( It's not working. Sorry folks. Butthead you should edit your post and remove the extra quote tag you have, after the first one (inside the quotations for cyclone30's text)."

I try to space content out enough but messed up!

butthead

I always feel like I am pushing my luck in these discussion as I don't use any of those methods.
Our food is sealed, commercially or at home, all food is in a contractor garbage bag inside a Cabellas bag, set in the woods out of camp and not along the shore line. So the focus is odor reduction.
The other caveat is that I also only trip at the end of October, so most sites haven't been used for several weeks, and the big critters are usually getting into hibernation mode, so its the little critters that pose the largest threat for us, as the'll be scrounging yet on a warmer day.

"its the little critters that pose the largest threat"

My prime reason to buy my first Ursack. Similar food packaging but I used roll top bags for containing. Went thru several chewed into by mice, voles, chipmunks, red squirrels. Nothing has breached the Ursack bags I use!

butthead

Last year, in Minecraft, I hung one food pack almost every night & strapped one to a tree within ear & eye shot of my tent, neither had a problem over 4-5 months. This year, in Minecraft, I’ve decided to retain all of my sanity & not bother with throwing rocks into trees. Imho, chucking weight overhead trying to hang an elevated ridge line isn’t worth the risk of injury, especially as I travel solo. (Note: I had one bear pass through my camp last year in minecraft & it was more afraid of me & more interested in fish than my stuff. I also smell like man after a few days, not potpourri, & my food is packaged to limit scent & importantly air exchange.)

I read the order last year which required bear packs/hanging & the rule is so broad that it is hardly possible to comply with. It requires virtually everything organic or which could possibly attract an animal to be hung. This would include all leather, cotton, wool, anything shiny, anything which an animal may find interesting. My response: “Become so very free that your whole existence is an act of rebellion.” ? Albert Camus, The Rebel

pamonster: "My food is stored in OpSak's stored in an Ursack tied to the base of a small tree at the edge of camp. Simple, light weight, easily pack-able, and effective. I keep camp clean too which probably is more important than food storage. "

That's what I do

Funny to see this thread alive again after 3 years, I am just getting ready to order a second and smaller Ursack. I think they are sufficient enough for the BWCA where the bears might be considered more timid than other areas of the country. But given some of the failures I have seen, I don't know that I would take one into grizzly country or even in certain areas of Appalachia. I do know that I have no interest at all in lugging around an awkward 3lb Bear Vault, and the Ursacks are at least more bear-resistant than blue barrels.

I follow their guidelines of head-height outside of camp, on a 4-6" diameter tree, and so far I have had no issues and no critters. Critter control comes down a decent liner, I have found turkey bags to work really well and are incredibly durable, and a fraction of the cost of Opsacks, which are prone to fail.

At the end of the day, a clean camp is a far better bear deterrent than anything on the market for food storage. I suspect in the next 5 years there will be a Ursack competitor and maybe their product will be a little better. But to product a flexible bag that can be totally bear-proof, I expect the cost to be twice that of a Ursack.

Double post.

Seems like those who have not had bear encounters like Ursack and those that have no longer use them. I am thinking a combination may work best for us. I don't think I'd want to rely on an Ursack for all my food, but sacks are sure a lot easier to deal with than barrels.

Looking around camp this year I couldn't help but wonder if most of the missing branches on nearby trees were the result of hang bag ropes over the years. There were no easy hang options left.

plmn: "...Looking around camp this year I couldn't help but wonder if most of the missing branches on nearby trees were the result of hang bag ropes over the years. There were no easy hang options left. "

Decades of pruning by rope saw, yes.

On Rose lake last fall, the resident trouble bear came into camp while we were eating and caused some issues. Scared him off a couple times. We had 2 solo travelers. That night, my food was stored in "scent reducing bags" (Opsaks and an off brand version) inside the Ursack ties off to a tree per the instructional video on Ursack website. The other person had his food in a bear canister. We were sure the bear would return overnight, but nothing was disturbed all night. IMO, BWCA bears are more familiar with hung food and have learned tricks to get it in certain areas. They are not very familiar with Ursacks and bear canisters yet. That may change if people get sloppy, but for now I use a combo of Ursacks and bear canisters depending on the trip. I agree with John Galt that hanging a pack is not a safe bet for me as a soloist with a bad throwing arm.

schweady: "

plmn: "...Looking around camp this year I couldn't help but wonder if most of the missing branches on nearby trees were the result of hang bag ropes over the years. There were no easy hang options left. "

Decades of pruning by rope saw, yes.
"

I've been to more than one camp where dozens of feet of hang rope were just abandoned in a tree because someone got it stuck, hanging down in a jumbled mess to the ground. I was genuinely disgusted to see it, and I knew after the last mess I saw on Ogish last year that I'll never hang a bag again.

AlexanderSupertramp: "

schweady: "

plmn: "...Looking around camp this year I couldn't help but wonder if most of the missing branches on nearby trees were the result of hang bag ropes over the years. There were no easy hang options left. "

Decades of pruning by rope saw, yes.
"

I've been to more than one camp where dozens of feet of hang rope were just abandoned in a tree because someone got it stuck, hanging down in a jumbled mess to the ground. I was genuinely disgusted to see it, and I knew after the last mess I saw on Ogish last year that I'll never hang a bag again. "

Yep, we've come home with a lt of free rope after creatively rescuing all the abandoned ones.