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GoCobbers95
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04/29/2020 09:37AM
Hi all,

Right now with MN shut down, re-licensing is being done online but to my knowledge, licensing new watercraft can only be done at DVS locations. Do I paddle around with my receipt showing I paid sales tax and a check made out to the state of MN (risking a ticket) or is there another way?

Thanks,

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OMGitsKa
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04/29/2020 10:10AM
Eh times are not normal right now. I would just take the chance that anyone questioning it would be understanding.
 
04/29/2020 11:24AM
I'm also rolling those dice - no way to register a new canoe so I would hope enforcement would be understanding.
 
nofish
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04/29/2020 11:38AM
I'd just go paddle it and not worry about it. Get it done as soon as offices reopen but in the meantime go enjoy. If you do run into a CO I'd hope they'd be understanding about it. I can't imagine they'd give you anything more than a warning to get it taken care of once offices reopen.
 
GoCobbers95
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04/29/2020 12:51PM
Thanks for confirming my thoughts!


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straighthairedcurly
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04/29/2020 10:56PM
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I was in this situation as I bought a canoe this winter and had not gotten around to licensing it until after the shutdown. All you need to do is email the DNR and they will email you the form. Mail in the completed form and a check. The only problem I had was they gave me the wrong price via email so they ended up calling and getting a CC number and ripping up my check. If anyone needs me to send them the PDF form, let me know. Otherwise just email the DNR. They were super fast at getting back to me. And from the time I mailed the form to the time my registration stickers arrived in the mail was less than a week.

Here is the email I received after emailing the general info email listed on their website:

Anderson, Kara (DNR)
Attachments
Mar 30, 2020, 2:35 PM
to me

Good Afternoon Kristine,

Unfortunately due to the Covid-19 situation there are no offices open for at least the next 2 weeks, not sure if it will be longer or not at this point. The only option for a new registration would be to mail it in. If the canoe was bought through a dealer or store then we would need to see a copy of the sales receipt along with the registration application. If the canoe was from out of state please provide the proof of ownership ie. Registration card or title along with the registration application. A private party sale in state only requires the Bill of Sale and Registration application. I will attach the Universal Registration Application for you to fill out. Send that in along with either the Bill of Sale, Out of state proof of ownership or Sales receipt and a check/money order for the correct fee to our office. We will process the transaction as quickly as we can and mail out the registration card and decals if it was renewed.

You can put my attention on the envelope and I can speed up processing the transaction. Let me know if you have any other questions. Have a good day.

Transfer only- $13.00
Transfer and renewal- $29.60. (note: this was wrong, the total for me was $31.40)

Return Address: Minnesota Department of Natural Resources
License Bureau – ELS
Box 26
500 Lafayette Rd
St Paul MN 5155-4026
Attn: Kara


Kara Anderson
Customer Service Specialist | Watercraft Title and Registration
Minnesota Department of Natural Resources
500 Lafayette Road
St. Paul MN 55155
Phone: 651-296-2316
Email: Kara.Anderson@state.mn.us
mndnr.gov



 
wxce1260
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04/30/2020 09:20AM
Ahh-- a benefit from living in Wisconsin! We are not required to register canoes, and the new MN regulations have changed to allow residents of other states to follow their respective state rules rather than have to register our canoes in Minnesota... I was able to pull my sticker off my boat last week.
 
GoCobbers95
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05/01/2020 09:02PM
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straighthairedcurly: "I was in this situation as I bought a canoe this winter and had not gotten around to licensing it until after the shutdown. All you need to do is email the DNR and they will email you the form. Mail in the completed form and a check. The only problem I had was they gave me the wrong price via email so they ended up calling and getting a CC number and ripping up my check. If anyone needs me to send them the PDF form, let me know. Otherwise just email the DNR. They were super fast at getting back to me. And from the time I mailed the form to the time my registration stickers arrived in the mail was less than a week.


Here is the email I received after emailing the general info email listed on their website:


Anderson, Kara (DNR)
Attachments
Mar 30, 2020, 2:35 PM
to me


Good Afternoon Kristine,


Unfortunately due to the Covid-19 situation there are no offices open for at least the next 2 weeks, not sure if it will be longer or not at this point. The only option for a new registration would be to mail it in. If the canoe was bought through a dealer or store then we would need to see a copy of the sales receipt along with the registration application. If the canoe was from out of state please provide the proof of ownership ie. Registration card or title along with the registration application. A private party sale in state only requires the Bill of Sale and Registration application. I will attach the Universal Registration Application for you to fill out. Send that in along with either the Bill of Sale, Out of state proof of ownership or Sales receipt and a check/money order for the correct fee to our office. We will process the transaction as quickly as we can and mail out the registration card and decals if it was renewed.


You can put my attention on the envelope and I can speed up processing the transaction. Let me know if you have any other questions. Have a good day.


Transfer only- $13.00
Transfer and renewal- $29.60. (note: this was wrong, the total for me was $31.40)


Return Address: Minnesota Department of Natural Resources
License Bureau – ELS
Box 26
500 Lafayette Rd
St Paul MN 5155-4026
Attn: Kara



Kara Anderson
Customer Service Specialist | Watercraft Title and Registration
Minnesota Department of Natural Resources
500 Lafayette Road
St. Paul MN 55155
Phone: 651-296-2316
Email: Kara.Anderson@state.mn.us
mndnr.gov



"


Thank you for this information!!
 
MuskyMike
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05/04/2020 01:42PM
I'm in the same boat, pun intended. I purchased a used canoe that wasn't previously registered in March. THE ONLY WAY to register a previously unregistered craft is in person at your local deputy registrar. Some are open some are not. I spoke with several people at the state level of the DNR (Kara included), the Dept of Motor Vehicles, and my local DNR CO. All of them said I'm up the creek until I can get into a deputy registrar's office. The CO told me to carry my bill of sale and it should be enough to deter a ticket for no registration but it would be up to the individual CO that I run into.

Good luck!!!
 
OCDave
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05/04/2020 03:11PM
I renewed a canoe and a kayak using the DNR Online Renewal System

I received my new stickers within 10 days of using the above link.

Good Luck
 
straighthairedcurly
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05/05/2020 08:28PM
MuskyMike: "I'm in the same boat, pun intended. I purchased a used canoe that wasn't previously registered in March. THE ONLY WAY to register a previously unregistered craft is in person at your local deputy registrar. Some are open some are not. I spoke with several people at the state level of the DNR (Kara included), the Dept of Motor Vehicles, and my local DNR CO. All of them said I'm up the creek until I can get into a deputy registrar's office. The CO told me to carry my bill of sale and it should be enough to deter a ticket for no registration but it would be up to the individual CO that I run into.


Good luck!!!"


I had zero problem registering it through the mailed in form that I mentioned. It had never been registered before. The registration paperwork and stickers arrived in the mail to me within just a few days. So I am happy to send you the form and you can go for it.
 
straighthairedcurly
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05/05/2020 08:31PM
OCDave: "I renewed a canoe and a kayak using the DNR Online Renewal System


I received my new stickers within 10 days of using the above link.


Good Luck"


Yes, I also used the online renewal system worked great for my other, previously registered canoe. But it will not work for newly purchased boats.
 
OCDave
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05/05/2020 11:28PM
Oops, Sorry. I read right past that portion of your post.

Good Luck
 
Grandma L
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05/06/2020 12:27PM
Hey, thanks! I just sent an email to the gal you listed in your [post. I am hopeful I can get my new-to-me boat registered!
 
spud
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05/18/2020 09:00AM
straighthairedcurly - was that 31.40 or 34.10? I have 2 canoes that i need to get registered and want to make sure my checks are for the right amount.. i think it is
10.50 + 10.60 + 13.00 = 34.10?
 
straighthairedcurly
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05/18/2020 09:31AM
spud: "straighthairedcurly - was that 31.40 or 34.10? I have 2 canoes that i need to get registered and want to make sure my checks are for the right amount.. i think it is
10.50 + 10.60 + 13.00 = 34.10?"


Thanks for noticing my flipping of numbers. I just verified on my credit card that they charged me $34.10
 
spud
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05/18/2020 09:41AM
Thanks for the confirmation! I think I am buying a New Northstar today, and want to make sure i have my stickers before my June trip!
 
kon0808
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05/18/2020 10:56AM
Thanks for including the email you got! I just emailed the DNR and am waiting on a response. I got a used canoe with previous (expired) registration. We didn't even think about a bill of sale and are now figuring out how to go about that part. Do you know if there's a specific bill of sale form they need or can we use a general boat bill of sale? Clearly we don't really know what we're doing, but it was a good deal that we had to jump on and didn't look up all of this beforehand!
 
spud
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05/18/2020 11:01AM
That is what i am taking another swing at as well... We were given a canoe from my father-in-law that lived out of state(WI), but got registered in MN only for BWCA trips back in late 80's, by someone else (his brother)..
Basically from what i've been told it needs to contain the previous (registered) owners name on it, but other than that a basic BOS with the boat model, hull id etc on it..
 
nofish
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05/18/2020 03:52PM
kon0808: "Thanks for including the email you got! I just emailed the DNR and am waiting on a response. I got a used canoe with previous (expired) registration. We didn't even think about a bill of sale and are now figuring out how to go about that part. Do you know if there's a specific bill of sale form they need or can we use a general boat bill of sale? Clearly we don't really know what we're doing, but it was a good deal that we had to jump on and didn't look up all of this beforehand!"

When I bought and then later sold a canoe we just did a simple handwritten or typed up bill of sale. Basically said John Doe 1 sold this canoe (included make, model) to John Doe 2 for $xxx amount. Then we both dated and signed it.

In the bill of sale I typed up when I sold it I included all of the identification numbers for the canoe. I know they need some of those numbers for changing the registration but I couldn't remember which they needed so I just included them all. The guy that bought it from me only had to take the bill of sale in with him since I included everything on it. The bill of sale I had when I purchased just had our names, the amount, and our signatures. If I remember correctly they barely looked at that if at all, they just wanted to know what the ID numbers were.
 
kon0808
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05/18/2020 04:45PM
nofish: "When I bought and then later sold a canoe we just did a simple handwritten or typed up bill of sale. Basically said John Doe 1 sold this canoe (included make, model) to John Doe 2 for $xxx amount. Then we both dated and signed it.


In the bill of sale I typed up when I sold it I included all of the identification numbers for the canoe. I know they need some of those numbers for changing the registration but I couldn't remember which they needed so I just included them all. The guy that bought it from me only had to take the bill of sale in with him since I included everything on it. The bill of sale I had when I purchased just had our names, the amount, and our signatures. If I remember correctly they barely looked at that if at all, they just wanted to know what the ID numbers were."


Great, thank you!
 
straighthairedcurly
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05/18/2020 05:09PM
kon0808: "Thanks for including the email you got! I just emailed the DNR and am waiting on a response. I got a used canoe with previous (expired) registration. We didn't even think about a bill of sale and are now figuring out how to go about that part. Do you know if there's a specific bill of sale form they need or can we use a general boat bill of sale? Clearly we don't really know what we're doing, but it was a good deal that we had to jump on and didn't look up all of this beforehand!"

Anything signed by the previous owner has worked for me. Have a date, a price, hull ID, who sold it (with address) and who bought it.
 
BWPaddler
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05/18/2020 08:23PM
Grandma L: "Hey, thanks! I just sent an email to the gal you listed in your [post. I am hopeful I can get my new-to-me boat registered!"

Me too, I am a bit overdue (bought last October)... had it out once already, and didn't get caught but I probably shouldn't push my luck.
 
spud
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05/19/2020 03:09PM
Poor Kara getting bombarded by emails :)
I had also sent her an email to see if it were OK for me to mail this in attn to her, but hadn't heard back yet. Had anyone else received a response? I want to be courteous to her, as i'm sure she doesn't need to help get these thru so quickly.. I also don't want to wait for too long for a response back that cuts its too close to trip time for my stickers.. its just waiting for its first scratch!
 
straighthairedcurly
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05/20/2020 01:48PM
I know some physical license centers have been opening back up with some services available. So you might want to check if they are now handling new boat registrations. It was a bit vague on the website for Roseville.

I can also just send anyone who wants, the forms to fill out to register a new canoe. The Roseville License Center also has a credit card authorization form link that you can print and send with your paperwork.

Just PM me if you want the canoe "first time" registration form.
 
coffeetalk
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05/22/2020 04:31AM
I also have a new boat needing first registration. I mailed in the form, copy of bill of sale, and check addressed with "Attn: Kara" over two weeks ago with no reply and the check has not cleared. The state's website with a list of deputy registrar offices and their status is cryptic to say the least. The thought of calling one of those numbers kind of makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit. I've been out with the boat near home here in SNF a couple of times without seeing a soul, but haven't been in the park yet. I just keep the above documents and the check's carbon copy with me. My first entry permit is the weekend after next. In the off-chance I find myself in an interrogation I'll present these items and a toothy smile and hope for the best.
 
offroadjeeper
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05/25/2020 03:07PM
I have a new home made cedar strip I'm trying to register. Talk about a pain. I've been jumping through hoops only to come to a dead end. DNR told me they're not allowed to come inspect it & fill out my affidavit. Basically just have to wait until things reopen. But the CO told me to go ahead and use it. They wont bother me during this time.
 
spud
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05/27/2020 05:05PM
coffeetalk: "I also have a new boat needing first registration. I mailed in the form, copy of bill of sale, and check addressed with "Attn: Kara" over two weeks ago with no reply and the check has not cleared. The state's website with a list of deputy registrar offices and their status is cryptic to say the least...."

I got an email from Kara today that she was unexpectedly out of the office the other week, which might explain some of the delay... I also found out I can't read and my one check is for too much money, so i'm guessing that one will be trouble.. of course that is for the new canoe that is going with me in a few weeks....
 
Argo
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05/28/2020 04:28PM
What is the purpose of licencing a canoe?
 
andym
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05/28/2020 08:43PM
The purpose is complying with MN law and not getting a ticket. Note that you only have to do so if your canoe is in MN for more than 90 days and is not registered in your home state.
 
jhb8426
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05/29/2020 01:08AM
andym: "The purpose is complying with MN law and not getting a ticket. "

++1
 
Argo
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05/29/2020 08:02AM
andym: "The purpose is complying with MN law and not getting a ticket. Note that you only have to do so if your canoe is in MN for more than 90 days and is not registered in your home state."
I get that part of it. Trying understand what service or benefit is received by the licencee.
 
straighthairedcurly
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05/29/2020 09:00AM
Argo: "What is the purpose of licencing a canoe? "

The money is used to pay for upkeep of waterways and for conservation efforts. I see that as a benefit to me. We pay license and registration fees for cars to pay for road upkeep. Why not pay a boat license/registration fee to to provide for waterway upkeep?
 
jhb8426
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05/29/2020 06:54PM
Argo: "andym: "The purpose is complying with MN law and not getting a ticket. Note that you only have to do so if your canoe is in MN for more than 90 days and is not registered in your home state."
I get that part of it. Trying understand what service or benefit is received by the licencee. "


It's a TAX, nothing more. What service/benefits do you receive from the taxes you pay?
 
andym
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05/29/2020 09:46PM
If the money is going to waterways, great. I think I’m more reacting to that many states don’t require licensing paddle craft. And I was also just in a snarky mood. Sorry about that.
 
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