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SweetBerryWine
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05/05/2020 02:03PM
I just bought my permit for a May 18th - May 24th trip.
It's strange buying my May permit in the month of May.

Hoping that the fire ban get's fully lifted as cooking fish on a canister stove and fire-less Irish hot chocolates just aren't the same.

Many have posted about their quarantine blues, and I too have come down with the #ireallyneedaBWCAgetaway-itis.

Where are my optimists at?
 
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GoBlue
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05/05/2020 02:50PM
I head in the 21st. I'm with you! It's going to happen!!!!

Here is how I look at it:

Half of the joy for me is the planning. Thinking about the route, the gear, the fishing strategies. Looking up the weather. Every night, just before sleep stops the hamster, I imagine what it will feel like the first night in.

If I decided to cancel it now, or resigned myself to "it's not going to happen" I will lose two weeks of happy thinking.

If the close date gets extended, I will just keep dreaming until I get the chance.
 
GopherAdventure
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05/05/2020 02:54PM
I had a May 17th Permit, still do actually, they haven’t canceled/refunded me yet. I plan on getting a May 18th Permit and just shortening my original trip by a day. Hopefully they open things up for overnight use by then. I’m itching bad, having three kids distance learning everyday has got me in need of an escape.

Tony
 
Aldy1
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05/05/2020 03:03PM
GoBlue: "I head in the 21st. I'm with you! It's going to happen!!!!


Here is how I look at it:


Half of the joy for me is the planning. Thinking about the route, the gear, the fishing strategies. Looking up the weather. Every night, just before sleep stops the hamster, I imagine what it will feel like the first night in.


If I decided to cancel it now, or resigned myself to "it's not going to happen" I will lose two weeks of happy thinking.


If the close date gets extended, I will just keep dreaming until I get the chance."


I like the way you're looking at it and I agree the planning is half the fun. Either way, we'll get up there eventually and it'll be even sweeter when we do.
 
cburton103
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05/05/2020 03:08PM
I’m optimistic I’ll be able to enter the wilderness on June 4th as planned. I’m not without concerns though, since I generally see what I sense as a lack of clear goals being pursued in various state shutdown activities, compounded with the increasing of the death count models and timelines to what is almost certainly a more likely scenario and timeline than what we were being told the last few weeks. I fear this may cause an extension of shutdown activities in the absence of reasonable expectations. We were told we need to “flatten the curve”, but many seem to think this means beating the virus altogether or dramatically reducing deaths. The unfortunate truth is that flattening the curve blunts the sharp peak of the curve and extends it out into time, but that deaths remain similar under a flattened curve unless we are so fortunate to achieve improved treatments in the several months of curve flattening.
 
OCDave
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05/05/2020 03:29PM
cburton103: "I’m optimistic I’ll be able to enter the wilderness on June 4th as planned. I’m not without concerns though, since I generally see what I sense as a lack of clear goals being pursued in various state shutdown activities, compounded with the increasing of the death count models and timelines to what is almost certainly a more likely scenario and timeline than what we were being told the last few weeks. I fear this may cause an extension of shutdown activities in the absence of reasonable expectations. We were told we need to “flatten the curve”, but many seem to think this means beating the virus altogether or dramatically reducing deaths. The unfortunate truth is that flattening the curve blunts the sharp peak of the curve and extends it out into time, but that deaths remain similar under a flattened curve unless we are so fortunate to achieve improved treatments in the several months of curve flattening."

Flattening the curve has been far from useless. There have been considerable advancements and insights into therapies that improve outcomes over just the past couple of months.
>>> Ventilator sparing strategies have been developed, evaluated and shown to be beneficial.
>>>Drug therapies have been and continue to be evaluated.
--------- Hydroyurea has been found to be ineffective and dangerous,
----------Remdesivir has been shown to be beneficial. Supply of this effective drug is low so, any delay in a surge of infections will potentialy save lives by allowing the increased manufacture of this drug.

Flattening the curve has also given health care facilities time to develop stratagies not only to provide more effective care but, also to protect health care providers, hospital workers and patients hospitalized for non-COVID-19 related issues .

Personal Protective Equipment manufacturers have utilized the time to ramp up production. More broadly, industries not previously involved in PPE production have gotten involved in meeting increased demand for these items.

What may seem like a lack of clear goals is absolutely not. The clearest goal; time. Tremendous amounts of effort and resources have been marshalled that have improved your likelihood of surviving a COVID-19 infection. Our understanding of the disease process and how to intervene grows daily improving your likelihood of surviving a COVID-19 infection. So, even if everyone in the country eventually gets infected, a flatter curve will result in fewer deaths.
 
MikeinMpls
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05/05/2020 03:43PM
GopherAdventure: "I had a May 17th Permit, still do actually, they haven’t canceled/refunded me yet. I plan on getting a May 18th Permit and just shortening my original trip by a day. Hopefully they open things up for overnight use by then. I’m itching bad, having three kids distance learning everyday has got me in need of an escape.


Tony"


Exactly the same with me, too, though we are going to go in at a different entry point. I want an EP that will work well for a solo in case my paddling partner/wife has to back out.

Mike
 
SweetBerryWine
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05/05/2020 03:43PM
GopherAdventure: "I had a May 17th Permit, still do actually, they haven’t canceled/refunded me yet. I plan on getting a May 18th Permit and just shortening my original trip by a day. Hopefully they open things up for overnight use by then. I’m itching bad, having three kids distance learning everyday has got me in need of an escape.


Tony"


Tony,

I don't have kids but coworkers with kids are at their wits end! I'm optimistic that it's only an extension of 12 additional days. Gov Walz could have extended to the end of June (not saying he won't). I'm jonesing for the spring walleye and the tasty fresh fillets over a fire. I'll start putting together my gear tonight and will allow my thoughts to anticipate driving up to Grand Marais May 17th!
 
SweetBerryWine
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05/05/2020 03:50PM
GoBlue: "I head in the 21st. I'm with you! It's going to happen!!!!


Here is how I look at it:


Half of the joy for me is the planning. Thinking about the route, the gear, the fishing strategies. Looking up the weather. Every night, just before sleep stops the hamster, I imagine what it will feel like the first night in.


If I decided to cancel it now, or resigned myself to "it's not going to happen" I will lose two weeks of happy thinking.


If the close date gets extended, I will just keep dreaming until I get the chance."


I am the same way. My favorite is when I head into Duluth and realize i'm halfway to my favorite place. The first couple strokes in a canoe literally sheds heaps of stress.
 
cburton103
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05/05/2020 04:16PM
OCDave,

I don’t think that flattening the curve has been ineffective or without significant benefit. I agree with everything you posted as benefits to our shutdown and flattening the curve.
 
SinglePortage
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05/05/2020 07:00PM
If my May 30th group permit gets cancelled I am planning on going up for an extended solo day trip. I can feel the knives coming out on this one, but the time I have left to do trips like this are very limited. I pose no risk to anyone else so I will do the things that make me happy and not give it a second thought.
 
OCDave
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05/05/2020 07:27PM
cburton103: "OCDave,


I don’t think that flattening the curve has been ineffective or without significant benefit. I agree with everything you posted as benefits to our shutdown and flattening the curve."


Cool! Re-read your post. I misinterpreted your message.

Sorry
 
cburton103
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05/05/2020 08:02PM
OCDave: "cburton103: "OCDave,

I don’t think that flattening the curve has been ineffective or without significant benefit. I agree with everything you posted as benefits to our shutdown and flattening the curve."


Cool! Re-read your post. I misinterpreted your message.
Sorry"

No worries at all. These are strange times. Hopefully the world will improve around all of us, and as a happy side benefit we’ll all be able to dip our paddles and wet our lines this open water season.
 
nofish
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05/05/2020 11:30PM
cburton103: "I’m optimistic I’ll be able to enter the wilderness on June 4th as planned. I’m not without concerns though, since I generally see what I sense as a lack of clear goals being pursued in various state shutdown activities, compounded with the increasing of the death count models and timelines to what is almost certainly a more likely scenario and timeline than what we were being told the last few weeks. I fear this may cause an extension of shutdown activities in the absence of reasonable expectations. We were told we need to “flatten the curve”, but many seem to think this means beating the virus altogether or dramatically reducing deaths. The unfortunate truth is that flattening the curve blunts the sharp peak of the curve and extends it out into time, but that deaths remain similar under a flattened curve unless we are so fortunate to achieve improved treatments in the several months of curve flattening."

You are correct in your statement regarding the curve. Flattening it doesn't necessarily mean less infections or even less deaths. It does also prolong the duration. However, what it does do is give hospitals a chance to keep up with the influx of patients so that we can avoid a scene like we saw play out in New York and Italy.

AS far as clear goals the White House did release a 3 steps process to easing the restrictions with clear measurable goals that need to be met before relaxing restrictions is recommended. I'm not sure how many if any states have met any of the goals associated with the first step. I'm also not sure if states are planning to follow them at all. I know the WH released them the same day Trump tweeted out Liberate Minnesota and other states so I'm not even sure if he wants them to be followed since MN at that time hadn't met any of the step 1 requirements. Regardless clear measurable goals do exist.
 
Hawbakers
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05/06/2020 08:12AM
We made our permit reservation for May 18 last night. We'll be heading from Seagull. There were only five permits left at that entry point. We decided to go ahead and plan the trip. If they cancel it again we'll get a refund. But I do hope we will be allowed to finally go.
 
MikeinMpls
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05/06/2020 10:21AM
I had a May 17 permit for Cross Bay Lake. Obviously I can't use that. So I just booked May 18 for Kawishiwi Lake. I'm starting to think the wilderness will be overrun that day!

Mike
 
GoBlue
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05/06/2020 11:20AM
MikeinMpls: "I had a May 17 permit for Cross Bay Lake. Obviously I can't use that. So I just booked May 18 for Kawishiwi Lake. I'm starting to think the wilderness will be overrun that day!


Mike"


I worry about this as well, but if I actually get to go, I can't think of anything that will lessen the pure joy I am going to feel. On the 21st, all Seagull permits are gone; 11 are available per day. I know it is a busier entry and close to the holiday weekend, but when I booked in February, very few permits were taken. Of course, everything was different in February.

I wonder if it will be a wash in the end. Lots of early paddlers will reschedule, but many won't have that opportunity. Plus, many that could go won't, out of fear or an abundance of caution, all based on individual health status. Some will not be able to because of work/job changes or concerns. Some will go that hadn't planned on it because of work/job changes.

In the end, I just feel blessed to be able to go, even with a giant flotilla - of course, following the social distance guidelines!! If it doesn't happen, life goes on.
 
OMGitsKa
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05/07/2020 06:36AM
For what its worth... Pat Kessler of WCCO was on KFAN radio last night and he implied that it was pretty certain the stay at home order & peace time emergency declaration would be extended again. At this point we are hoping once again that camping gets added to the allowed activities.
 
WhiteWolf
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05/07/2020 07:10AM
FWIW- not MN or BWCA but, Iowa is opening back up campgrounds etc... link
 
CityFisher74
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05/07/2020 09:43AM
OMGitsKa: "For what its worth... Pat Kessler of WCCO was on KFAN radio last night and he implied that it was pretty certain the stay at home order & peace time emergency declaration would be extended again. At this point we are hoping once again that camping gets added to the allowed activities. "

This is how I am mentally operating. I would be shocked if Stay at Home is lifted after the 18th. That said though, my hope lies less in that and more in hoping that they can figure out a safe way to allow us to camp. I know it hurts the outfitters, but there is no reason whatsoever that folks with their own gear shouldn't be allowed to print a permit at home and go to the BWCA.
 
OMGitsKa
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05/07/2020 10:10AM
CityFisher74: "
This is how I am mentally operating. I would be shocked if Stay at Home is lifted after the 18th. That said though, my hope lies less in that and more in hoping that they can figure out a safe way to allow us to camp. I know it hurts the outfitters, but there is no reason whatsoever that folks with their own gear shouldn't be allowed to print a permit at home and go to the BWCA."


Seems to me they probably realize people can safely camp but rather don't want to open the flood gates to people traveling all over the place.
 
gopher2307
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05/07/2020 10:16AM
SinglePortage: "If my May 30th group permit gets cancelled I am planning on going up for an extended solo day trip. I can feel the knives coming out on this one, but the time I have left to do trips like this are very limited. I pose no risk to anyone else so I will do the things that make me happy and not give it a second thought."

All makes sense to me. No knives coming out thus far and you assuredly are not alone in those feelings. Stay safe, especially on your travels up there, and distance responsibly on that part of the voyage.
 
gopher2307
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05/07/2020 10:21AM
WhiteWolf: "FWIW- not MN or BWCA but, Iowa is opening back up campgrounds etc... link "

So you're telling me there's a chance...
 
SweetBerryWine
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05/07/2020 10:28AM
OMGitsKa: "For what its worth... Pat Kessler of WCCO was on KFAN radio last night and he implied that it was pretty certain the stay at home order & peace time emergency declaration would be extended again. At this point we are hoping once again that camping gets added to the allowed activities. "

I sure hope camping gets added to the list, especially in the BWCA. I like many folks don't need anything from the outfitters for gear. The permit I purchased only allows for a single entry per day. The the only potential interaction I would have from my house in MPLS to the entry point North of GM proper would be to get gas. There is much at play, and no one solution fixes everyone's concerns. Fingers crossed.
 
BigOarDeal
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05/07/2020 11:17AM
I'm with you, overnight camping will definitely be opened up on the 18th!*

(*Full disclosure: I am a 100% optimist who was finding all of the positive aspects of not being able to find an open campsite as dusk was approaching on our last trip...and was sure that 'the next one will be open'!)
 
GoCobbers95
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05/12/2020 03:19PM
Until Thursday this would firmly be considered nothing more than a rumor but I am hearing that the governor is considering two options with the most likely of the two being an extension of the stay at home order for an additional two weeks, along with a few minor relaxations of restrictions within the order itself.

Further conjecture would be that the BWCA will stay closed up to June 1st I assume then.

Hopeful that I have wrong info...
 
cburton103
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05/12/2020 04:10PM
GoCobbers95: "Until Thursday this would firmly be considered nothing more than a rumor but I am hearing that the governor is considering two options with the most likely of the two being an extension of the stay at home order for an additional two weeks, along with a few minor relaxations of restrictions within the order itself.
Further conjecture would be that the BWCA will stay closed up to June 1st I assume then.
Hopeful that I have wrong info..."


I hope you have the wrong info as well. I have a trip planned for June 4th, and if there's another extension I'll have to cancel the trip and make other plans.
 
LindenTree
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05/12/2020 05:53PM
GoCobbers95: "Until Thursday this would firmly be considered nothing more than a rumor but I am hearing that the governor is considering two options with the most likely of the two being an extension of the stay at home order for an additional two weeks, along with a few minor relaxations of restrictions within the order itself.


Further conjecture would be that the BWCA will stay closed up to June 1st I assume then.


Hopeful that I have wrong info..."


Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
I have heard that the MN stay at home orders could last until June 12th. One of the comentators on AM 970 out of fargo stated that this afternoon.
Sorry no link, hope they are wrong.
 
mutz
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05/12/2020 07:02PM
I would not be surprised at, at least one more two week extension. People will accept two more weeks a couple of times with less of an outcry than hearing an increase of a month. I didn’t have a trip this year but my brothers group cancelled a trip over the end of June
 
SweetBerryWine
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05/13/2020 02:23PM
mutz: "I would not be surprised at, at least one more two week extension. People will accept two more weeks a couple of times with less of an outcry than hearing an increase of a month. I didn’t have a trip this year but my brothers group cancelled a trip over the end of June "

Star Trib article from about an hour ago:

https://www.startribune.com/walz-to-address-state-tonight-on-coronavirus-response/570431912/

"The governor is expected to extend a peacetime state of emergency that has enabled the administration to temporarily close schools, shutter some businesses and order residents to stay home unless necessary. Without action, those powers would expire at the end of the day.

The live address is set for 6 p.m. on his YouTube page.

A 30-day renewal to June 12 — a move that is opposed by Republicans in the Legislature — would allow the DFL governor to maintain or modify his current stay-at-home order, a separate action set to lapse Monday."




 
GoCobbers95
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05/13/2020 07:21PM
I LOVE being wrong on this!
 
05/14/2020 01:09AM
Very excited for what this means for my 5/21 permit.

Now I need to get cracking on my packing!
 
SweetBerryWine
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05/14/2020 10:38AM
luft: "Very excited for what this means for my 5/21 permit.


Now I need to get cracking on my packing!"


Same! The anticipation of the FS opening up overnight paddling is killing me!


It would be awesome if the camp fire ban was lifted as I am still a fan of cooking with an iron skillet on an open fire, especially for fish. I will make it work regardless. One of my favorite things to do is to rip apart the camp stove area from last years fires and clean out any debris that dingus' left like foil, cig butts, and misc garbage. Firm believer in leaving my favorite place better than how I found it.

Paddles crossed!
 
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