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nooneuno
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05/13/2020 06:12PM
Is he going to open the Bdub or not?
 
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user0317
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05/13/2020 06:18PM
Um... Walz doesn't open or close the bwca, but since the feds seem to be respecting the state's stay at home order, I would assume that it will still open on May 18th.
 
GopherAdventure
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05/13/2020 06:18PM
It’s not up to him. Now we have to wait for the USFS. I’m guessing they open up overnight camping.

Tony
 
nooneuno
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05/13/2020 06:29PM
user0317: "Um... Walz doesn't open or close the bwca, but since the feds seem to be respecting the state's stay at home order, I would assume that it will still open on May 18th. "

Well if non-essential businesses such as outfitters are closed and non-essential travel in the state is banned he does in fact determine if it can open or not. also the Bdub was only closed to align with the Governor's stay at home order.
 
GraniteCliffs
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05/13/2020 06:51PM
If you watched his announcement you learned he has taken steps to loosen restrictions. You should have heard that many but not all types of business can reopen next week. Most importantly, I think, is we all need to understand there are a million moving parts to this thing. The BWCA opening today, tomorrow, next week or next month may be important to us but would not land on a top ten list of issues that The Governor needs to be address.
Especially since he has no control over it.
 
nooneuno
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05/13/2020 07:02PM
GraniteCliffs: "If you watched his announcement you learned he has taken steps to loosen restrictions. You should have heard that many but not all types of business can reopen next week. Most importantly, I think, is we all need to understand there are a million moving parts to this thing. The BWCA opening today, tomorrow, next week or next month may be important to us but would not land on a top ten list of issues that The Governor needs to be address.
Especially since he has no control over it. "


I did watch his address and learned not one damn thing, did he say what businesses would be allowed to open? did he mention non-essential travel? Basically all he said was some businesses might be allowed to open, and everyone should pat him on the back for doing a wonderful job. What one specific thing did he say?
 
OMGitsKa
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05/13/2020 07:03PM
"Dispersed and remote camping sites for single household use. A dispersed
campsite is a single campsite, not in a developed campground, used for
overnight camping. A remote campsite is a designated backpack or watercraft
campsite, not in a developed campground, used for overnight camping. Both
private and public developed campgrounds remain closed to recreational
camping. "

from the executive order.
 
user0317
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05/13/2020 07:12PM
nooneuno: "GraniteCliffs: "If you watched his announcement you learned he has taken steps to loosen restrictions. You should have heard that many but not all types of business can reopen next week. Most importantly, I think, is we all need to understand there are a million moving parts to this thing. The BWCA opening today, tomorrow, next week or next month may be important to us but would not land on a top ten list of issues that The Governor needs to be address.
Especially since he has no control over it. "



I did watch his address and learned not one damn thing, did he say what businesses would be allowed to open? did he mention non-essential travel? Basically all he said was some businesses might be allowed to open, and everyone should pat him on the back for doing a wonderful job. What one specific thing did he say?"


Listen again... take notes
 
nooneuno
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05/13/2020 07:22PM
According to Fox 9 "Walz called the move a "cautious turn of the dial" in his speech. The new order still encourages Minnesotans to stay close to home"
I don't mean for this to be a political red vs blue thing I don't even live in MN, I just would like to know if I go in next week can I do it in the daylight or do I have to wear all black, paint my canoe, and go in after dark.
 
nooneuno
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05/13/2020 07:39PM
From Bring Me The News:

The lifting of the Stay at Home order on Monday will allow for more outdoor recreation activities in Minnesota.

This will include camping, however this does not mean just yet that organized camping facilities will be allowed to re-open.

Instead, Minnesotans will be allowed to use "dispersed and remote camping sites," which is a single plot rather than a developed campground, or a designated backpack or watercraft campsite, such as those found in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness.


 
user0317
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05/13/2020 07:45PM
nooneuno: "According to Fox 9 "Walz called the move a "cautious turn of the dial" in his speech. The new order still encourages Minnesotans to stay close to home"
I don't mean for this to be a political red vs blue thing I don't even live in MN, I just would like to know if I go in next week can I do it in the daylight or do I have to wear all black, paint my canoe, and go in after dark."


As of now, it is open starting May 18th. Ultimately it is up to the USFS, so I would probably make sure they don't extend the exclusion of overnight camping. Retail will be allowed to open, excluding bars, restaurants and a few other categories, so if you need to rent gear or buy supplies, you should be able to (assuming the businesses choose to open).

I sincerely hope you can follow through with your plans. Have a great trip.
 
Savage Voyageur
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05/13/2020 08:22PM
This is some more information... Minnesota, what you need to know
 
jhb8426
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05/14/2020 12:19AM
It may help to read the order itself...

Safely Reopening Minnesota’s Economy and Ensuring Safe Non-Work Activities...

It is up to the USFS to decide on opening the BWCA. Outdoor recreational equipment rental outlets (outfitters) are allowed to be open if they follow the guidelines. Of course bunkhouses and developed campgrounds (such as Sawbill) are not allowed, so you effectively have to drive up and launch with no overnite staging.
 
x2jmorris
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05/14/2020 12:25AM
My early trip date is looking better and better
 
nooneuno
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05/14/2020 06:45AM
According to the order dispersed camping is limited to single household use only per site so permits may not be issued to those from multiple addresses
 
05/14/2020 01:29PM
I think things are a little more clearer today than they were right after the press conference but the whole thing reminded me of this classic Homer Simpson line.
 
thegildedgopher
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05/14/2020 06:31PM
jhb8426: "It may help to read the order itself...


Safely Reopening Minnesota’s Economy and Ensuring Safe Non-Work Activities...


It is up to the USFS to decide on opening the BWCA. Outdoor recreational equipment rental outlets (outfitters) are allowed to be open if they follow the guidelines. Of course bunkhouses and developed campgrounds (such as Sawbill) are not allowed, so you effectively have to drive up and launch with no overnite staging."



I will admit I only scanned the executive order doc, but where are you seeing bunkhouses not allowed? I have reservations with two separate outfitters in June and they’ve both told me we’re good to go. At Clearwater where we usually stay in the smallest bunkhouse available since we are just a duo, they have moved us into a larger bunkhouse that has its own private bathroom to promote distance.
 
jhb8426
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05/14/2020 11:16PM
Sorry about that, it was probably a mis-read of the post at Sawbill about the campground not being open. My mistake.
 
thlipsis29
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05/15/2020 08:53AM
If the language that OMGitsKa posted is the exact language from the latest executive order it describes the kind of camp site that will be open: Dispersed and remote camping sites for single household use.

It is important to note that it does not actually define what is meant by household. So as I read it, campers are not limited to being members of the same household.
 
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