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WoollyBear
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07/14/2020 12:55PM
It looks like the border will stay closed for another month.
 
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07/14/2020 01:33PM
Link to an NBC update...

TZ
 
Savage Voyageur
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07/14/2020 05:37PM
This is not the news I was hoping for. I understand the decision. The fish will grow one year bigger.
 
jhb8426
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07/16/2020 07:50PM
Another month...
from the star tribune:


WASHINGTON — The U.S., Canada and Mexico have agreed to keep their shared borders closed to non-essential traffic until at least late August because of COVID-19.

Acting U.S. Department of Homeland Security Chad Wolf said Thursday in announcing the extension that restrictions on cross-border traffic that have been in place since March have helped slow the spread of the coronavirus.

Officials had said in recent days that another 30-day extension was likely before the expiration of the previous 30-day extension.

The partial closure restricts crossing to commercial traffic, people returning to their home country and other travel deemed essential. It prohibits people from traveling between the countries for tourism or shopping, which is economically important to border communities.

The extension agreed to by the three countries would keep the border closed until Aug. 21.

It comes as COVID-19 continues to surge in many parts of the U.S. and in Mexico.

The border restrictions are intended to maintain the commercial cargo traffic that is vital to the economies of all three countries.
 
missmolly
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07/17/2020 08:44AM
Savage Voyageur: "This is not the news I was hoping for. I understand the decision. The fish will grow one year bigger. "

Ha! So true.
 
nofish
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07/21/2020 08:39PM
Honestly I can't see the border opening any time soon. Numbers in the US keep going up and up with no signs of a flattening curve. Frankly if things keep going on this trajectory I'm envisioning 2 very long border walls being built...by Canada and Mexico to keep Americans out.
 
billconner
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07/22/2020 06:25AM
nofish: "Honestly I can't see the border opening any time soon. Numbers in the US keep going up and up with no signs of a flattening curve. Frankly if things keep going on this trajectory I'm envisioning 2 very long border walls being built...by Canada and Mexico to keep Americans out."

And they're paying for them! :)
 
Bushwacker
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07/22/2020 04:28PM
nofish: "Honestly I can't see the border opening any time soon. Numbers in the US keep going up and up with no signs of a flattening curve. Frankly if things keep going on this trajectory I'm envisioning 2 very long border walls being built...by Canada and Mexico to keep Americans out."

No one is leaving the greatest country on Earth and there will still be countless foreign nationals trying to sneak in to live here.
 
yellowcanoe
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07/22/2020 05:16PM
Bushwacker: "nofish: "Honestly I can't see the border opening any time soon. Numbers in the US keep going up and up with no signs of a flattening curve. Frankly if things keep going on this trajectory I'm envisioning 2 very long border walls being built...by Canada and Mexico to keep Americans out."


No one is leaving the greatest country on Earth and there will still be countless foreign nationals trying to sneak in to live here."


But Canada and Mexico have built virtual walls against us. Seems the greatest is not the smartest nation. It hurts when the border to Canada is sooo close.
 
nofish
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07/23/2020 09:18AM
Bushwacker: "

No one is leaving the greatest country on Earth and there will still be countless foreign nationals trying to sneak in to live here."


I'm not sure how you're measuring greatness, we certainly aren't the greatest when measuring response to pandemic.

Honestly I think you'd struggle to find any measurement that proves that the US is the greatest country on earth.
 
Bushwacker
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07/24/2020 11:31AM
nofish: "Bushwacker: "


No one is leaving the greatest country on Earth and there will still be countless foreign nationals trying to sneak in to live here."



I'm not sure how you're measuring greatness, we certainly aren't the greatest when measuring response to pandemic.


Honestly I think you'd struggle to find any measurement that proves that the US is the greatest country on earth. "


America has done a fantastic job with the pandemic, despite the partisan games the Democrats have played to boost their presidential election chances. Many experts have long predicted nearly everyone on Earth will be infected at some point. Some countries have had a large resurgence despite aggressive lock downs all along. I suggest you seek information beyond the hysteria driven main stream media sources.

America has done more for the concept of freedom, both internally and externally, than any nation on Earth. We are the backbone on innovation and prosperity. We pulled more countries arse out of the fire from both military oppression and natural disasters than any other country on Earth. "Honestly", assuming you are an American, your assessment of American is revolting. That said, it is America and you are entitled to your opinion. Btw, I didn't start this direction of discussion, just reacted to it.
 
nofish
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07/24/2020 01:38PM
Im not going to argue that America isn't great but it seems awfully bold to say it is the greatest country on earth.

I will however certainly argue the statement that America has done a great job with the pandemic. Our response has been pretty poor. It started with completely ignoring the problem and pretending it wasn't going to impact the US. It continued with the complete lack of any preparation and the lack of proper protective gear for front line workers. It further failed to provide any consistent message, it bounced between lock it down and attempting to force all Governors to open their states back up. It included the message "we'll let states governor themselves and then attempted to force state to comply with federal directives. Science has been rejected in favor of what will look good to voters. People even refuse to do the most basic thing to protect themselves and others. There is no concern for others well being its all about ME ME ME. The pandemic also showed how fragile our country is and how ill equipped we are to handle any sort of national issue. Within weeks we had major corporations begging for bail outs. We had to spend billions of dollars to prop up large portions of the working class because life in America doesn't often allow people to save enough to whether a single hardship. I can't see any reality where you can spin all of that into a "great response to the pandemic".

 
Bushwacker
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07/24/2020 05:56PM
At the same time, late January, after the present administration had instituted a travel ban from China, Fauci ,the heralded premier expert in the US said this, "It’s a very, very low risk to the United States. It isn’t something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about." Partisan politics had already started as Democrats called the travel ban racist. We've known now for months the virus, not entirely, but predominantly effects the very elderly and those with serious health factors. I work in the insurance field and have spoken to dozens of clients who are literally crying as they explain their business will be permanently closing and all their employees will be let go. The news this morning was we can now expect 2 million home foreclosures within the next month not to mention lease evictions. Percentage wise, a minuscule portion of our society has and will die from this, however due to the hysteria pushed by the main stream media and corrupt politicians, solely in an attempt to keep the lock down going, millions of Americans may very well be out in the streets, starving. Suicide rates are skyrocketing across the nation, "WALNUT CREEK, Calif. (KGO) -- Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus." You mentioned me, me, me? I agree but with a different definition. This should have been handled by isolating the truly at risk, small percentage of the population, and kept the country's business's functioning albeit in a modified safer fashion. Instead election year partisan politics has lead this into a blame the current administration game. The politicians with the help of the main stream media has turned the psyche of the average citizen into a full blown "me, me, me" hysterical self preservation mode. We are approaching, or past, the point where the impact of these shutdowns has done vastly more damage to the over all population of the US than the virus ever will. Ironically I suppose I agree with you, to some extent, we have not done a good job dealing with this event however it's for entirely different reason. We have failed to do what is best for our country, our population, as whole. We threw the baby out with the bath water. Were there mistakes handling the disease? Of course. Look at Cuomo sending hospital elderly patients infected with covid back to nursing homes which led to thousands of deaths. But the driving engine behind many of the decisions has and continues to be partisan, election year politics. Damn the country, pursue political power and wealth.
 
greywolf33
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07/24/2020 08:20PM
This is not the place for your political mumbo jumbo. Please take it someplace else.
 
jhb8426
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07/24/2020 11:44PM
greywolf33: "This is not the place for your political mumbo jumbo. Please take it someplace else."

+1+1+1
 
missmolly
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07/25/2020 06:20AM
I don't blame the Canadians. We're 2.5% of the world's population and more than 25% of the pandemic's casualties. As nofish noted, tens of millions of us fail to employ basic protections. I grocery shop once every three weeks and wear a mask, a face shield, and gloves. I also carry an antiseptic wipe. I consider six feet of distance to be a bare minimum and always try to achieve more. Of course, my precautions make me an outlier.

Bushwacker is right about America's innovations. However, puffing out my chest about the Wright brothers or George Eastman is both a truism and makes me guilty of being that infamous pygmy standing on the shoulders of giants and bragging about how big I am.
 
mutz
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07/25/2020 07:59AM
Bushwacker: "nofish: "Bushwacker: "



No one is leaving the greatest country on Earth and there will still be countless foreign nationals trying to sneak in to live here."




I'm not sure how you're measuring greatness, we certainly aren't the greatest when measuring response to pandemic.



Honestly I think you'd struggle to find any measurement that proves that the US is the greatest country on earth. "



America has done a fantastic job with the pandemic, despite the partisan games the Democrats have played to boost their presidential election chances. Many experts have long predicted nearly everyone on Earth will be infected at some point. Some countries have had a large resurgence despite aggressive lock downs all along. I suggest you seek information beyond the hysteria driven main stream media sources.


America has done more for the concept of freedom, both internally and externally, than any nation on Earth. We are the backbone on innovation and prosperity. We pulled more countries arse out of the fire from both military oppression and natural disasters than any other country on Earth. "Honestly", assuming you are an American, your assessment of American is revolting. That said, it is America and you are entitled to your opinion. Btw, I didn't start this direction of discussion, just reacted to it."



+1
 
bobbernumber3
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07/25/2020 07:53PM
I'm leaning toward Germany as being the world leader in democracy.

And I don't think a 2-week solo in Quetico will be happening for me this year... the Canadians are just not ready to let Americans flow in this summer.
 
Pinetree
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07/28/2020 06:00PM
Canadian border now closed to August 21 as of today.
 
nofish
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07/29/2020 11:38AM
Have canadian officials said what threshold the US would have to meet in order to reopen the border? I'm just wondering if we know how what number of new cases we have to get under in order for things to open.

It would be nice if we knew the conditions that would have to be met in order for certain things to reopen. I know the WH released a plan for reopening states in stages after the initial lockdown and I thought that made a lot of sense. It set numbers and conditions for each stage of reopening so anyone who is paying attention could see the progress or lack of progress toward reopening. However, it seems like the plan was released and then forgotten about. The states don't seem to be using it and immediately after it was released Trump was pushing for all states to reopen immediately regardless of where they were in regards to the reopening plan.

Having these published thresholsd for things like reopening borders, being able to open schools to in person learning, live sporting events, etc should take the guess work out of when to allow reopening and give us lowly peasants an idea of how to plan our lives.
 
yellowcanoe
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08/03/2020 08:59AM
Even Canadians are not currently free to travel all over their country so why should we be let in? The Maritimes prohibit entry by residents of other provinces. They have had virtually no COVID and are not eager to open the door to that unwanted guest.

As our Federal response was wishy washy there are continuing surges popping up all over. States are not particularly eager to be strict.

Our state had very little virus but we have tourists from away and those are the most concern now. They are not doing the quarantine or testing that is required. And we are pretty strict but apparently more enforcement is neded.
 
Pinetree
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08/03/2020 10:57AM
yellowcanoe: "Even Canadians are not currently free to travel all over their country so why should we be let in? The Maritimes prohibit entry by residents of other provinces. They have had virtually no COVID and are not eager to open the door to that unwanted guest.


As our Federal response was wishy washy there are continuing surges popping up all over. States are not particularly eager to be strict.


Our state had very little virus but we have tourists from away and those are the most concern now. They are not doing the quarantine or testing that is required. And we are pretty strict but apparently more enforcement is neded."

Agree
 
thegildedgopher
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08/03/2020 01:26PM
I feel for the Canadian lodge/resort/outfitter owners. I know we were all worried about outfitters on the GFT and in Ely this spring, but they've ended up having quite a busy season after all. I've read that it's mostly Americans who book the lodges north of the border so I'd imagine it's been a very lean summer.
 
GeoFisher
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08/03/2020 07:44PM
thegildedgopher: "I feel for the Canadian lodge/resort/outfitter owners. I know we were all worried about outfitters on the GFT and in Ely this spring, but they've ended up having quite a busy season after all. I've read that it's mostly Americans who book the lodges north of the border so I'd imagine it's been a very lean summer."

Without help from their government, there are MANY that will not make it, and that saddens me. I want to give them my money and cannot.

I completely understand their position though, and even though I don't like it, I GET it.....

Later,
Geo
 
thegildedgopher
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08/05/2020 02:56PM
GeoFisher: "thegildedgopher: "I feel for the Canadian lodge/resort/outfitter owners. I know we were all worried about outfitters on the GFT and in Ely this spring, but they've ended up having quite a busy season after all. I've read that it's mostly Americans who book the lodges north of the border so I'd imagine it's been a very lean summer."


Without help from their government, there are MANY that will not make it, and that saddens me. I want to give them my money and cannot.


I completely understand their position though, and even though I don't like it, I GET it.....


Later,
Geo
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I’m with you 100% geo. The country is doing the only thing they can in this situation.
 
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