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ockycamper
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07/16/2020 10:17AM
Are any of you modifying their group cooking procedures with the COVID? We are bringing up 3 groups again in September from our men's ministries and I am considering asking each camp to have only one person actually cooking the food and that same person dishing up the food so multiple people don't handle the group cookware. Also considering asking the cooks to wear latex gloves when working with the food. Considering also assigning just one person to water filtration (filling up the platypus filters) and again wearing latex gloves when handling the hoses and fiters.

What are the rest of you doing?
 
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OCDave
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07/16/2020 11:27AM
ockycamper: "Are any of you modifying their group cooking procedures with the COVID? We are bringing up 3 groups again in September from our men's ministries and I am considering asking each camp to have only one person actually cooking the food and that same person dishing up the food so multiple people don't handle the group cookware. Also considering asking the cooks to wear latex gloves when working with the food. Considering also assigning just one person to water filtration (filling up the platypus filters) and again wearing latex gloves when handling the hoses and fiters.

What are the rest of you doing?"


This is an interesting question. For me and groups I camp with, meal prep is one of, if not the single most, group involving activities of the trip. If I were responsible for preparing all meals, I think I'd feel a bit over-tasked. If a tripping partner were tasked with all meal prep, I think I'd feel left out or a least that I were shirking significant responsibility. I guess, your menu would also play a role in how significant this division of labor will be.

I suspect that travel to and from the entry point, sharing canoes, portages and camp sites will convey as much risk of COVID transmission as meal preparation tasks. The idiom, "In for a penny, in for a pound" seems appropriate.

I commend you for looking for opportunities to minimize risks. You mention latex gloves as interventions. Would gloves be any safer than washed or sanitized hands? Masking? Perhaps activities such as cooking and water gathering could require they be performed while masked.

Good Luck. I look forward to learning what others are doing and how your trip turns out.
 
ockycamper
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07/16/2020 11:56AM
We take 2-3 groups up each fall, each goes to a separate camp site and has its own leader. I have been doing this for 15 years. I have found for myself that the actual prep and cooking of the meals works better with just myself doing it. I typically assign one person to be in charge of filling the Platypus systems at our site. Each person is responsible for washing his own dishes.

I used to do huge meals. Now I cook dehydrated meals. So prep is pretty much pouring the entre into the pot, adding water, and keeping it stirred until ready.

In the past it would be a 2 hour procedure at breakfast and at dinner from prep to clean up due to the use of pots, pans, dutch ovens, reflector ovens, etc.

Now we have one guy that still goes all out with cooking in his camp. All fresh foods, dutch ovens, biscuits, deserts, etc.

Just an observation in researching things the main thing I will change in our camps this year is who ever is cooking, dishs up for the others. I think the primary transmission would be from 8 men handling the cooking/serving utensils and pots each meal for a week.
 
mutz
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07/16/2020 02:01PM
OCDave: "ockycamper: "Are any of you modifying their group cooking procedures with the COVID? We are bringing up 3 groups again in September from our men's ministries and I am considering asking each camp to have only one person actually cooking the food and that same person dishing up the food so multiple people don't handle the group cookware. Also considering asking the cooks to wear latex gloves when working with the food. Considering also assigning just one person to water filtration (filling up the platypus filters) and again wearing latex gloves when handling the hoses and fiters.


What are the rest of you doing?"



This is an interesting question. For me and groups I camp with, meal prep is one of, if not the single most, group involving activities of the trip. If I were responsible for preparing all meals, I think I'd feel a bit over-tasked. If a tripping partner were tasked with all meal prep, I think I'd feel left out or a least that I were shirking significant responsibility. I guess, your menu would also play a role in how significant this division of labor will be.


I suspect that travel to and from the entry point, sharing canoes, portages and camp sites will convey as much risk of COVID transmission as meal preparation tasks. The idiom, "In for a penny, in for a pound" seems appropriate.


I commend you for looking for opportunities to minimize risks. You mention latex gloves as interventions. Would gloves be any safer than washed or sanitized hands? Masking? Perhaps activities such as cooking and water gathering could require they be performed while masked.


Good Luck. I look forward to learning what others are doing and how your trip turns out. "



I think that unless you are going up in separate vehicles, traveling in solo canoes, using hammocks or one man tents and taking enough disinfectant To clean the thunder box after every use, the rest of the things you listed won’t make any difference.
 
ockycamper
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07/16/2020 02:16PM
I have wondered how many people get sick in the BWCA in the past not because of a virus but simply improper handling of food, cooking and water filtration.

I would like to say that the 15-20 guys we bring up each fall all use the hand sanitizer but that is probably not the case.

You are right.. .I can't control riding in cars or canoes. But what can be controlled is better hygiene around food, cooking and water filtration equipment. I don't think it is an "all or nothing" proposition.
 
nofish
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07/20/2020 01:07PM
You could assign one person to do all food prep and serving but I'm guessing it won't move the needle measuring risk level all that much. From everything I've seen the risk of picking up the virus through touching something or through food prep is pretty low. You're more likely to get it sitting around the camp fire laughing at each others jokes when the virus is given the chance to be airborne.

If you do go the route of assigning jobs I would do it with the goal of keeping everyone 6 feet apart. However, you'll want to keep that distance the entire time including the drive up, in the canoe, and in tents. The car ride up and sleeping in tents to me seems like the more risky situation so if you really want to keep people as safe as possible see what you can do in those areas.
 
ockycamper
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07/20/2020 01:17PM
Suggestion was made to ask the entire group to be tested for the virus the week before leaving. Then not worry about masks but focus on distancing
 
nofish
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07/21/2020 01:44PM
ockycamper: "Suggestion was made to ask the entire group to be tested for the virus the week before leaving. Then not worry about masks but focus on distancing "

Thats probably the best way to go.

I was supposed to leave on Thursday for a Friday entry but my trip partner failed his work screening this morning with a low temp so he's off to get his covid test today. With the uncertainty of his status we opted to nix the trip altogether and hope to rebook later in the season.
 
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