Meatless Midwest


Something I've been interested in for awhile but never thought of it from a purely Midwest regional perspective.

wow !!

If I had not seen it, I would not have believed it!

i thought that we weren't supposed to talk politics. d:^)

I did not know that sir.

I've gotta get me some of that!!

fishnfreak: " "

I feel like I know less now than before I opened this thread.

Alright Alright!!! Link is fixed now.

What about fish, fishnfreak?

Fritty

If that turns yer crank, have at it. I'm a happy, life long carnivore myself.

If we aren't supposed to eat animals why are they made of meat?

minnmike: " If we aren't supposed to eat animals why are they made of meat?"

Yikes! I'm made of meat!

Hadn't thought about it being harder in the midwest to be a vegetarian but it makes sense. Its a very meat and potatoes culture in general.

I was listening to an episode of the MeatEater podcast and they had on a doctor that is doing an all meat diet. He eats nothing but meat and organs. He went into a long explanation as to why it made sense. Of course its a very extreme diet that most people could never do regardless of any benefit they'd get but it was an interesting listen.

The one thing I did find amusing was their discussion about how plants try to protect themselves against being eaten and how most plants even your normal garden vegetables have protections that can lead to some negative health repercussions. In the broader plant world you need to have to have some advanced education in order to know what is safe to eat and what will kill you in the plant world. If you eat the wrong plant you could be incredibly sick or even dead. On the flip side you can eat almost any animal with only a few exceptions and be totally fine. Even many of the standard garden vegetable have some negative health implications. They also spoke about how everything a human body needs to survive and thrive can be found in an animal assuming you were willing to eat all parts of the animal like our early ancestors did. Every vitamin or mineral we need is in an animal somewhere. Not the same with vegetables/fruits, if you only eat fruits and vegetables you'll be missing out on certain things the body needs. Thinking about all of that sort of makes you think what is the human body really supposed to consume in order to live. Seems like our bodies were designed to eat meat and not just vegetables. Historically speaking that also makes sense. Vegetarianism and veganism is a relatively new concept. We live in a time when its possible to exclude meat from your diet and still thrive but that wasn't possible not so long ago.

nofish, have you tried the meat substitutes like Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat? They're quite tasty.

I do think if you eat meat that you should experience life shuddering to an end in your grip and its blood oozing between your fingers. Most of us are too removed from the costs that animals pay to tickle our tongues. Plus, like many aboriginal people, we should eat meat with all due gratitude, which is easier to do when you killed the critter.

Which animal has the necessary amount of vitamin C for the maintenance of human health? I wonder why the subjects of diet and health get so many antiscientific viewpoints. Anachronisms too.

inspector13: "
Which animal has the necessary amount of vitamin C for the maintenance of human health? I wonder why the subjects of diet and health get so many antiscientific viewpoints. Anachronisms too.


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I’m old school... just give me the four food groups. Heavy on the meat please...

As a vegetarian for close to 30 years, it is absolutely possible to eat a long-term, sustainable, healthy diet. It is also absolutely true that it is easier or harder to eat as a vegetarian in different places. To keep it BW specific, the Northwoods is one of the harder places. But it can be done and the growth of restaurants with different ethnicities can help. But we tend to mostly cook for ourselves when up at our cabin (and, of course, when camping).

missmolly: "nofish, have you tried the meat substitutes like Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat? They're quite tasty.


I do think if you eat meat that you should experience life shuddering to an end in your grip and its blood oozing between your fingers. Most of us are too removed from the costs that animals pay to tickle our tongues. Plus, like many aboriginal people, we should eat meat with all due gratitude, which is easier to do when you killed the critter."

I've tried some of the meat substitutes, some of them are pretty good.

Personally I try to involve myself as much as I can in the process of putting meat on my families table. I'm actually heading out Fri, Sat, and Sun in an attempt to fill my freezer with 100% organic, free range, locally sourced, and ethically harvested venison. I am involved in the entire process from the release of my arrow to removing the organs by hand to the breakdown of the animal into the various cuts that will fill my freezer. It is not something I take lightly and its something that fills me with gratitude and respect for the animal. I could easily take the animal to the butcher shop and pay them to do it but if I am going to take the animals life I insist on not taking that lightly and doing the work myself.

I do agree that too many people are so far distanced from the realities of how food reaches their table whether it be the meat that is commercially raised or the vegetables that are transported across the country or even across the ocean. Thats why the vast majority of my meat and vegetables is sourced locally and from known sources. We work with a local farmer to get eggs, rabbits, ducks, chicken, and an occasional goose, I hunt for the vast majority of red meat plus fish as often as I can, we also grow in food in our garden or purchase from the local farmers market. We do a lot of canning or holding certain items like squash, potatoes, carrots, etc in storage so we have them all winter. We of course still rely on the weekly trip to the grocery store but we do as much as we can to know where our food comes from.

nofish, I've always been your fangirl, but because of this, I now love you a wee bit:

" I am involved in the entire process from the release of my arrow to removing the organs by hand to the breakdown of the animal into the various cuts that will fill my freezer. It is not something I take lightly and its something that fills me with gratitude and respect for the animal. I could easily take the animal to the butcher shop and pay them to do it but if I am going to take the animals life I insist on not taking that lightly and doing the work myself."

Yes it is

nofish: "Hadn't thought about it being harder in the midwest to be a vegetarian but it makes sense. Its a very meat and potatoes culture in general.

Seems like our bodies were designed to eat meat and not just vegetables. Historically speaking that also makes sense. Vegetarianism and veganism is a relatively new concept. We live in a time when its possible to exclude meat from your diet and still thrive but that wasn't possible not so long ago."

I disagree. The history of vegetarianism goes back a long time. Remember, there were hunters but more importantly, there were gathers. Finding out if a plant was edible was more important because of the ease of getting and storing that food source, and that every year you could find a consistent food source. Native Americans would travel nomadically, and yes for the migration of herd animals, but they would also travel to known places where the "crop" of edible plants were currently ripe.

Maybe you are referring to the more accepted practice or mainstreamness of vegetarianism, which really took off in the 1970's, but had its start in the late 1800's. But before that it had a different name: The Pythagorean Diet. And anyone who has read Homer knows of the Lotus-Eaters, who ate nothing but plants.

History of Vegetarianism

missmolly: "

minnmike: " If we aren't supposed to eat animals why are they made of meat?"

Yikes! I'm made of meat!"

Long pork

Hey nofish....I couldn't agree more with your thoughts! New nofish fan here!! :)

520eek: "Hey nofish....I couldn't agree more with your thoughts! New nofish fan here!! :)"

If you want to join the Nofish Fan Club, you may be the Supreme Allied Commander or the Imperial Wizard or the Grand Poobah, but you can't be the Admiral. That's me.

My motto:

By land, you'll command,
but by sea, it's me.

inspector13: "
Which animal has the necessary amount of vitamin C for the maintenance of human health? I wonder why the subjects of diet and health get so many antiscientific viewpoints. Anachronisms too.


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I think the Inuit solved that. What the white explorers didn't all learn: it is best to consume meat and organs raw or only slightly cooked. Lots of different cultures, lots of different diets evolved, depending on what was available. Inuit diet

I mean that in terms of getting vitamin C when other sources weren't handy. I prefer to grill, but I have access to other sources for the vitamins.

Yes, I realize that theirs is (was) a meat based diet, and even found a spreadsheet with vitamin C content for both raw and boiled traditional foods in mg/100g. Among the plants consumed were licorice root (Alpine Sweetvetch) and wood sorrel. I wonder where that doctor on an all meat diet was getting his raw seal liver and Beluga epidermis?

Trader Joe's ?

missmolly: "

520eek: "Hey nofish....I couldn't agree more with your thoughts! New nofish fan here!! :)"

If you want to join the Nofish Fan Club, you may be the Supreme Allied Commander or the Imperial Wizard or the Grand Poobah, but you can't be the Admiral. That's me.

My motto:

By land, you'll command,
but by sea, it's me. "

You guys are going to love the fan club. With your 2 new memberships the club is now up to a total of 5 members including myself and my 2 kids. My wife was a member but since Covid started and we've all been stuck at home I think she's grown tired of my antics, I haven't seen her wear her fan club jacket in months now.

nofish: "

missmolly: "

520eek: "Hey nofish....I couldn't agree more with your thoughts! New nofish fan here!! :)"

If you want to join the Nofish Fan Club, you may be the Supreme Allied Commander or the Imperial Wizard or the Grand Poobah, but you can't be the Admiral. That's me.


My motto:


By land, you'll command,
but by sea, it's me. "

You guys are going to love the fan club. With your 2 new memberships the club is now up to a total of 5 members including myself and my 2 kids. My wife was a member but since Covid started and we've all been stuck at home I think she's grown tired of my antics, I haven't seen her wear her fan club jacket in months now. "

She's the Head of the Secret Police, right? Okay, I resign my admiralty and take her position. I have a black leather trench coat, boots with clicky heels, round glasses, and a Fedora. I will commence hiding from the Sun to become as pale as possible. I'm talking fish belly pale.

Could you tell me a bit about why this form of diet is superior to: intemittent fasting? Atkins die? Paleo diet? Bone broth diet? Cleansing? Bubble gum on Tuesday diet, ... oh wait, I confused this forum with nearly every conversation started at my workplace over the past 3 years.

Just kiddin'

Carry on

missmolly: "

minnmike: " If we aren't supposed to eat animals why are they made of meat?"

Yikes! I'm made of meat!"

Exactly, watch your back missmolly!