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01/20/2021 05:50PM  
Does President Biden's new executive order of masks being required for all federal government properties apply to the BW?
 
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Savage Voyageur
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01/20/2021 06:53PM  
And so it begins...
 
thegildedgopher
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01/20/2021 07:04PM  
I'd be kinda surprised if it applied outdoors, but it wouldn't stop me from enjoying me trip. We wear buffs pretty much all the time anyway. My skin is thanking me for the break from UV this year.
 
01/20/2021 07:16PM  
“In one of his first actions as president, Biden signed a mask mandate, requiring face masks be worn inside buildings and on land controlled by the federal government. That includes places like national parks and during interstate travel onboard trains, buses, and planes.“

For the outdoors like the BWCAW seems pretty ridiculous. For a national monument where people are close around each other it makes more sense.

The number one reason this was done is airlines were lobbying for it for their survival. They are increasingly struggling with anti-maskers on their planes—-for some people being able to say “hey this is a federal policy” vs. the airline requires a mask adds to compliance. Believe me it works...in health care we were masking all patients before mandates, once you have a government mandate it cuts the crazies back a little and you can just do your job instead of wasting your valuable work time getting shouted at by a 40 year old child.

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mutz
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01/20/2021 08:23PM  
Should leave politics to some other forum
 
bottomtothetap
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01/20/2021 10:15PM  
Well...This IS on the COVID forum and the wording of the mandate does raise a legitimate question. Not commenting from a political angle, just wondering if it now applies to BWCA and, if so, will the mandate be amended for there to be exceptions to certain federal lands, like maybe those officially designated as "wilderness".
 
andym
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01/20/2021 10:26PM  
Note that the order requires compliance with CDC guidelines. It doesn’t mean wearing masks all the time you are in the BW.
 
thegildedgopher
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01/21/2021 08:15AM  
andym: "Note that the order requires compliance with CDC guidelines. It doesn’t mean wearing masks all the time you are in the BW. "

Thank you for posting the actual order, this is what we all need to read. None of the news stories I found were nuanced enough to answer my questions.

I don't think this is a political thread at all -- it applies specifically to a question about the BWCA, and it's in the proper forum where only folks who are prepared for such a discussion will find it. If we can refrain from slinging mud and making it about any specific politician or party, and just keep to the substance of the issue at hand, this should be a civil discussion.
 
Bearpath9
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01/21/2021 08:25AM  
I plan on wearing my mask at the E.P.'s and I will have it ready on portages in case they are crowded. On the water, that little bugger goes in the grab bag.
 
Duckman
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01/21/2021 12:39PM  
I bet if you are in the BDUB for the period this order will be in place, wearing a face covering won't be an issue of dispute.
 
andym
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01/21/2021 02:53PM  
Bearpath9: "I plan on wearing my mask at the E.P.'s and I will have it ready on portages in case they are crowded. On the water, that little bugger goes in the grab bag. "

That sounds good to me. Around our area the outdoor rules are to have a mask readily accessible for when distancing can’t be maintained. I expect we will see something like that from the FS once they have a chance to implement the order.
 
missmolly
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01/21/2021 04:28PM  
A mask on a portage means no mosquitoes are inhaled.
 
01/21/2021 06:54PM  
missmolly: "A mask on a portage means no mosquitoes are inhaled. "
mm, you continue to make me smile ;-)
 
Duckman
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01/21/2021 07:47PM  
Guys and gals, this new order is reportedly a 100 day effort on the virus. Most of January, February, and March.

If you’re going in the Bdub during this time, you’re probably wearing a face covering! It’s winter in northern Minnesota.
 
andym
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01/21/2021 09:09PM  
I believe there are two separate things going on. Biden has made a request to the country to focus on mask wearing and social distancing for 100 days. That request applies everywhere but is just a request. The executive order for federal buildings and lands does not have a time limit in it. What remains to be seen is what the CDC guidelines are at ice out and if he rescinds the order at some point.
 
mutz
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01/22/2021 06:54AM  
When I’m in the BW I will not be wearing a mask whether paddling or portaging. At no point have I ever been within six feet of anybody I didn’t know for more than a few seconds on any portage unless I was having a conversation and I can do that from ten feet. Hopefully I never see two people paddling across a lake with masks on, I’m afraid I would laugh so hard I might capsize. Common sense people common sense.
 
yellowcanoe
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01/22/2021 12:05PM  
Duckman: "Guys and gals, this new order is reportedly a 100 day effort on the virus. Most of January, February, and March.


If you’re going in the Bdub during this time, you’re probably wearing a face covering! It’s winter in northern Minnesota."


aint that the case. I actually like my mask now. Downhill skiers have worn them for years so they have concealed snot. ( and of course frostbite protection). Ye who wear lipstick now need not bother on airplanes and Federal Property
 
straighthairedcurly
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01/22/2021 10:40PM  
The comment about face coverings being the norm in winter is so true and has actually come in handy this year when we send our young students out for recess. They are required to keep on face masks while on the playground and it has been easier than convincing them they need a scarf :)
 
02/28/2021 07:54AM  
Savage Voyageur: "And so it begins..."

Ha ha ha ha! I only read this far down on this thread and this made me laugh. This will be an interesting debate :) I'll only remark that last year I didn't see anyone wearing a mask while I was out paddling, but then I was solo :)
 
lskidder
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03/29/2021 06:39PM  
Great point! I think a full burqa will drive the mosquitoes crazy!
 
yogi59weedr
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03/30/2021 02:37PM  
Last June at Prarie portage she made one of us walk and I had to wear a mask all through the portage....still shaking my head on that one.
 
04/04/2021 05:16PM  
I used to chuckle at people driving with a mask on. Then my wife pointed out that I don't know their underlying health conditions. She had donated bone marrow to her brother. He wore a mask because he had no immunity and a common cold could have killed him at the time. I then realized it's time to give other people a break... who am I to judge.
 
yellowcanoe
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04/04/2021 06:32PM  
bobbernumber3: "I used to chuckle at people driving with a mask on. Then my wife pointed out that I don't know their underlying health conditions. She had donated bone marrow to her brother. He wore a mask because he had no immunity and a common cold could have killed him at the time. I then realized it's time to give other people a break... who am I to judge."

yup. Something to ponder for sure.
 
04/04/2021 08:18PM  
Agree...trying not to judge others as much. Don’t know their circumstances or their fears. Not always successful:)

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Minnesotian
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04/05/2021 11:14AM  
yellowcanoe: "bobbernumber3: "I used to chuckle at people driving with a mask on. Then my wife pointed out that I don't know their underlying health conditions. She had donated bone marrow to her brother. He wore a mask because he had no immunity and a common cold could have killed him at the time. I then realized it's time to give other people a break... who am I to judge."


yup. Something to ponder for sure."


The other thing I learned about people who have a mask on while driving is that a lot of the time they are Lyft, Uber or parcel couriers and find it easier to just keep one on for the comfort and safety of their upcoming passengers.

But ultimately, who am I to judge is exactly it.
 
straighthairedcurly
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04/06/2021 10:06AM  
bobbernumber3: "I used to chuckle at people driving with a mask on. Then my wife pointed out that I don't know their underlying health conditions. She had donated bone marrow to her brother. He wore a mask because he had no immunity and a common cold could have killed him at the time. I then realized it's time to give other people a break... who am I to judge."

When I run errands and have short drives between places, I just keep my mask on in the car. I wear it all day at work so I don't really notice it anymore. I'm sure plenty of people wonder...who cares, works for me.
 
yellowcanoe
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04/06/2021 12:09PM  
Now how many of you wash yours with any regularity.. Asking for a friend.
 
billconner
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04/06/2021 02:14PM  
I'm with straight on this - if I'm running several errands, mask usually stays on from first to last. Post office, bank, and grocery - only a couple of minutes apart.

Yes yellow - art least once a week with infrequent use - stay at home. every other day while traveling on business last week - an I had two so maybe every day. Plus I have a bunch of disposable kn-95s in side pocket of briefcase.
 
Minnesotian
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04/06/2021 04:56PM  

Yep, wash mine about once a week as well. All mine also have a pocket in them for disposable mask inserts that I will change out at the same time.
 
yellowcanoe
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04/06/2021 06:37PM  
billconner: "I'm with straight on this - if I'm running several errands, mask usually stays on from first to last. Post office, bank, and grocery - only a couple of minutes apart.


Yes yellow - art least once a week with infrequent use - stay at home. every other day while traveling on business last week - an I had two so maybe every day. Plus I have a bunch of disposable kn-95s in side pocket of briefcase."


My hubby wearing hearing aids has a hard time wearing over the ear masks . He has a favorite behind the head mask.. I finally grabbed it out of the car to wash. We were kind of appalled at the coal dust appearance of the wash water.
 
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