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LilyPond
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03/27/2021 09:11PM  
These tents are suggested specifically for people who can't afford a lot and are looking for a medium-weight (not ultralight) tent with an awning for shade. The materials seem solid and the reviews are good. Available in various sizes. See Amazon.

(1) Clostnature: 2P $88, 5.4 lbs, 1100 great reviews, seller seems very responsive.

(2) Camppal: 3P, $130, 7.1 lbs. Lots of YouTube videos by this company.

(3) A third brand to check is called 12 Survivors
 
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03/28/2021 09:05AM  
Consider using the "add a link" feature for posts. Simple, functional, considerate.
 
03/28/2021 12:06PM  
Banksiana: "Consider using the "add a link" feature for posts. Simple, functional, considerate."


Yes!

butthead
 
OCDave
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03/28/2021 03:42PM  
LilyPond: "... Since I already own too many tents, I can't justify spending a lot of money on any more...
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Alternatively, add a CCS Tarp to your gear kit. It can serve as awning when necessary but, infinitely more flexible than duplicating gear already owned.
 
schweady
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03/28/2021 05:07PM  
The last tent we had with an included awning was our Eureka Space II 10'x10' model. A marvelous family car camping tent back in the 80s, it featured very vertical walls that provided a 6' head space while standing nearly anywhere in the tent. It survived a tornado that took away lesser tents and tipped many of the trailer units one night on a western US trip. Rip-stop nylon but the rip-stop cord material would absorb water and developed an ugly mold over time. Rolled up to the size of a small car, too...
 
03/29/2021 08:05AM  
LilyPond: "Often the waterproofing is better than US tents (3000 to 4000 mm, compared to 1800 on many US tents).
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Not saying they are not, I have a few "cheap" tents that offer great value and I'd hate to lose them, but I personally don't put all that much stock in technical specifications put out by somewhat no-name or otherwise lower end brands. I feel there is very little keeping them from fibbing a lil. Generally people doing the technical type tests/reviews are focusing on higher end gear, that's about the only instance an exaggeration would be flushed out. Outside those tests the only deterrent would be not tainting their good name going forward but many of these off brands have no real "good name" to leverage or trade on and thus no real reason to keep it honest. Again just my personal experience, surely doesn't apply to all or even most manufactures. I've found even simple specifications (weight, size) to be grossly out of spec at times and wouldn't expect the more technical specifications to be much better.

 
LilyPond
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03/29/2021 08:12PM  
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LilyPond: "Often the waterproofing is better than US tents (3000 to 4000 mm, compared to 1800 on many US tents).
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Not saying they are not, I have a few "cheap" tents that offer great value and I'd hate to lose them, but I personally don't put all that much stock in technical specifications put out by somewhat no-name or otherwise lower end brands. I feel there is very little keeping them from fibbing a lil. Generally people doing the technical type tests/reviews are focusing on higher end gear, that's about the only instance an exaggeration would be flushed out. Outside those tests the only deterrent would be not tainting their good name going forward but many of these off brands have no real "good name" to leverage or trade on and thus no real reason to keep it honest. Again just my personal experience, surely doesn't apply to all or even most manufactures. I've found even simple specifications (weight, size) to be grossly out of spec at times and wouldn't expect the more technical specifications to be much better. "


I don't disagree with anything you've said, but the reviews on the Clostnature tents are quite good (yes, reviews can be faked also, but these reviews seem sincere). In any case, I've ordered the Clostnature 2 and 4P, so maybe I'll be able to report back on them. Also, I don't really have a problem with 1800 mm waterproofing, such as Kelty uses. It's adequate. So there's a chance that a tent claiming 5000 mm would be at least adequate.
 
ledhead
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03/30/2021 09:35AM  
LilyPond: "
Ragged: "
LilyPond: "Often the waterproofing is better than US tents (3000 to 4000 mm, compared to 1800 on many US tents).
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Not saying they are not, I have a few "cheap" tents that offer great value and I'd hate to lose them, but I personally don't put all that much stock in technical specifications put out by somewhat no-name or otherwise lower end brands. I feel there is very little keeping them from fibbing a lil. Generally people doing the technical type tests/reviews are focusing on higher end gear, that's about the only instance an exaggeration would be flushed out. Outside those tests the only deterrent would be not tainting their good name going forward but many of these off brands have no real "good name" to leverage or trade on and thus no real reason to keep it honest. Again just my personal experience, surely doesn't apply to all or even most manufactures. I've found even simple specifications (weight, size) to be grossly out of spec at times and wouldn't expect the more technical specifications to be much better. "



I don't disagree with anything you've said, but the reviews on the Clostnature tents are quite good (yes, reviews can be faked also, but these reviews seem sincere). In any case, I've ordered the Clostnature 2 and 4P, so maybe I'll be able to report back on them. Also, I don't really have a problem with 1800 mm waterproofing, such as Kelty uses. It's adequate. So there's a chance that a tent claiming 5000 mm would be at least adequate. "


Ordered the Clostnature 4p last week.... 4p, 3 season, 7.5 lbs , 16.5" length, and lifetime warranty, figured I'd give it a run.
 
LilyPond
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03/30/2021 09:59AM  
ledhead: Ordered the Clostnature 4p last week.... 4p, 3 season, 7.5 lbs , 16.5" length, and lifetime warranty, figured I'd give it a run.
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I would love to hear what you think of this tent. Hope you will leave your comments.
 
ledhead
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03/30/2021 10:30AM  
Will do.... up here (Conifer, CO) 62" of snow in March it might be awhile but will update when I get a chance...
 
LilyPond
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04/01/2021 12:54PM  
I received the 2P Clostnature tent today and set it up. I checked everything carefully and can't find any defects at all in the workmanship. The fly and floor seem to be made of solid fabric. Seam sealing looks good. Zippers work very smoothly. In terms of the length, it fits a 74" Helinox cot with no room to spare. I like the green color as I prefer to not stand out in the woods nor to have excess light for a mid-day nap.

Drawbacks: (1) The manufacturer claims this tent has a bathtub floor. I think that's stretching the truth. There's a seam around the bottom of the tent that's about one to two inches off the ground (maybe less once the corners are staked out). The seam is sealed, but it's folded in an odd way that creates a lip at the top of the seam that might catch splashback (?). (2) No brow poles for more head space. Brow poles also serve to keep the fly farther out from the tent, which could improve ventilation. (3) Poles are not anodized.

At first glance, except for those drawbacks, I would rate this tent on par with brands like Kelty and Alps Mountaineering. I paid $86 for it, compared to around $120-$150 for a Kelty or Alps 2P---but I believe the materials and waterproofing are better on the Clostnature.

Thus far I recommend this tent. I'm guessing that the low price is due primarily to low wages in China. By U.S. standards, this tent is higher quality than its price would indicate.

Moving on to the 4P, I'm less impressed but it will work for most people. I find that the sides are so slanted toward the center that the volume at the top and in the corners is reduced. This is why so many tents now have brow poles, and this tent could definitely benefit from them. The slant doesn't work well for me because I use a 4P for car camping with a 15" tall cot. At the 15" point, the length of the tent is considerably reduced if the sides are slanted. A 74" cot fits, but barely, and my feet definitely touch the end of the mesh (I'm only 5'5"). People who sleep at ground level won't notice this so much, but there are comments on the slant on Amazon.

I also find the pole diameter on the 4P pretty small, at least compared to my Kelty Trail Ridge 4. The manufacturer told me it's .374" (3/8"). Still, I think this tent is worth the $130 I paid, again assuming the superior waterproofing claim is true. I read that they tested it at 3000mm for 6 hours.
 
LilyPond
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04/01/2021 03:07PM  
butthead: "
Banksiana: "Consider using the "add a link" feature for posts. Simple, functional, considerate."


Yes!

butthead"


The links function doesn't seem to work in my browser. I deleted the links. Hopefully you can find these tents on Amazon if you're interested.
 
LilyPond
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04/01/2021 03:09PM  
OCDave: "
LilyPond: "... Since I already own too many tents, I can't justify spending a lot of money on any more...
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Alternatively, add a CCS Tarp to your gear kit. It can serve as awning when necessary but, infinitely more flexible than duplicating gear already owned. "


I have a tarp that I like a lot---Unigear. I'm trying to cut down on the amount of gear I take on trips (kayak camping) and on setup time.
 
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