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Canoearoo
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04/23/2021 11:06AM  
I originally only wanted the Johnson and Johnson's vaccine because it was one shot and still better than the flu vaccine. But now that it has blood clotting issues I'm thinking of getting one of the other two but maybe only getting one shot. I read that just one shot is 80% effective and you don't really get side effects till the 2nd shot anyway. So even with one shot it is more effective than the flu vaccine. What do you think?
 
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Speckled
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04/23/2021 11:11AM  
One shot is 80% effective, but the duration of effectiveness is also shortened significantly.

I think I'd just go for it...well I did and am in the midst of the crudiness caused by the second shot. It's not terrible. You just feel like you've got the flu or a hangover. Aside from being personally protected, I felt some level of collective social responsability to do my part to get us back to or as close to a normal semblance of life again.
 
nofish
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04/23/2021 11:42AM  
If you only want one shot then wait for the J&J to come back online. There have been 7 cases of blood clots from what I've heard which translates into a 1 in a million chance since 7 million J&J vaccines have been given.

After one shot of the other 2 vaccines you do have protection but it sounds like it doesn't last very long. The 2nd shot is where you get the longevity from. So getting one shot of the other vaccines will likely not give you meaningful long term protection.

If its the side effects that you are worried about I think you may just need to accept that you might not feel good after the shot. I got the J&J and felt like I got run over by a truck for about 18 hours. It hit the day after the shot and lasted until the next morning. I've got friends that were laid out by the first shot and i've got friends that were laid out by the 2nd shot. I also know a lot of people that had no real reaction.

Regardless of the how people felt after they all agreed it was better than getting covid.
 
outsidethebox
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04/23/2021 11:48AM  
^^^^^
 
Speckled
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04/23/2021 11:53AM  
nofish: " I got the J&J and felt like I got run over by a truck for about 18 hours. "

My exact words this morning on a conference call - we're "I feel like I get hit by a mack truck"

I didn't feel it appropriate in the business meeting to be "Hey - remember that time in college when you drank the whole box of wine...the next morning, ya, it feels like that." I went with the truck reference, lol.
 
Canoearoo
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04/23/2021 12:36PM  
nofish: "Regardless of the how people felt after they all agreed it was better than getting covid. "

YES! My mom had coivid at it was horrible. She was in the hospital and it attacked her stomach and her kidneys. It was eating her stomach away. She got better but her kidneys are still recovering.
 
nofish
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04/23/2021 12:53PM  
Canoearoo: "nofish: "Regardless of the how people felt after they all agreed it was better than getting covid. "


YES! My mom had coivid at it was horrible. She was in the hospital and it attacked her stomach and her kidneys. It was eating her stomach away. She got better but her kidneys are still recovering. "


Sorry to hear she was hit so hard by it. Sadly its all too common. Probably the best reason to either get the J&J or both doses of the other 2, full protection is worth it. Hope your mom fully recovers.
 
Canoearoo
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04/23/2021 01:47PM  
Covid has been done for 2 months now for her. But the long term side effects are still there. Her kidneys are slowly getting better
 
nofish
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04/23/2021 01:50PM  
Canoearoo: "Covid has been done for 2 months now for her. But the long term side effects are still there. Her kidneys are slowly getting better "

I've heard of many cases like this. They get over Covid itself but then they spend months dealing with the damage is causes. I hear from too many people they won't get vaccinated because covid has a 99% survival rate but they don't account for the number of people who survive but spend weeks in the hospital or spend months recovering from the damage.

They also seem to justify accepting a 1 in a 100 chance of death with covid to avoid the risk of a 1 in a million chance of a serious vaccine side effect.

Logic and critical thinking skills are truly on life support these days.
 
Canoearoo
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04/23/2021 02:05PM  
I just talked to my friend who is a doctor and she convinced me to get the Pfizer shot (her opinion is this is the best one) and to get 2 shots. Although she said one shot is better than none at all, but If I didn't want to spread it as easily to others then to get 2. Then by the grace of God I actually found 3 appointments (those in my family that qualify) an hour from my home for next Tuesday for shot one. Praying everything goes well.

So I will get 2 shots. Not because I want to the full protection, because if it was just for me I would get 1. But rather so I can protect others. Now I'm praying it wont be to bad.

My teen is getting the shots as well. She wants it more than I do. So we are getting it together along with my husband.
 
04/23/2021 02:22PM  
Canoearoo: "I originally only wanted the Johnson and Johnson's vaccine because it was one shot and still better than the flu vaccine. But now that it has blood clotting issues I'm thinking of getting one of the other two but maybe only getting one shot. I read that just one shot is 80% effective and you don't really get side effects till the 2nd shot anyway. So even with one shot it is more effective than the flu vaccine. What do you think?"

The side affects are different for everyone. Most people I know had Pfizer and my parents had Moderna. MOst of of them had no immune reaction. While I had severe reaction to the second shot. It wasn't a long time--- I felt off about 12 hours later, then from 20-26 hours I was miserable. After that I was fine. The reaction isn't a bad thing it is your body reaction to thinking it needs to fight a virus---that's how you build anti-bodies.

As others have said you need the second shot for longevity.

With that said once the pause is removed I wouldn't hesitate to do the J&J vaccine under whatever guidelines they give. The incidence of clotting so far due to J&J is less than the incidence in the general public. They are just being cautious... as they should be.

T
 
Pilgrimpaddler
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04/23/2021 02:49PM  
I got two shots of the Pfizer vaccine and other than having a sore arm for a few days I had no side effects from either shot. I'd recommend getting both doses, but that's just from personal experience. I do have a coworker who's just a year younger than me and he also had no side effects from either shot, other than the sore arm. My wife also had both Pfizer shots and had minimal side effects.
 
LarryS48
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04/23/2021 06:53PM  
Canoearoo: "I just talked to my friend who is a doctor and she convinced me to get the Pfizer shot (her opinion is this is the best one) and to get 2 shots. Although she said one shot is better than none at all, but If I didn't want to spread it as easily to others then to get 2. Then by the grace of God I actually found 3 appointments (those in my family that qualify) an hour from my home for next Tuesday for shot one. Praying everything goes well.


So I will get 2 shots. Not because I want to the full protection, because if it was just for me I would get 1. But rather so I can protect others. Now I'm praying it wont be to bad.


My teen is getting the shots as well. She wants it more than I do. So we are getting it together along with my husband."


Canoearoo, Good decision to get yourself and your family fully vaccinated! I fully support the recommendation that people get which ever vaccine is offered when supplies of vaccines are tight. We are now approaching a time when people will actually be able to choose without excessive delays or inconvenience. If you have to choose between waiting or getting what is offered, get vaccinated. But if you have options that don't involve delaying vaccination which should you choose? This might depend on who you are and your health status and your options. For options, I'll include Pfizer, Moderna, J&J and AstraZeneca(not available in the US but available in Canada).

If it is extremely hard (not just inconvenient) to get vaccinated because of a lack of mobility and being in a remote location, J&J would be easiest.

If I had a history of severe allergic reactions and carried an epipen, I'd probably see if I could get J&J or AZ.

If I were a premenopausal woman, I'd try and get Pfizer or Moderna.

If I were a healthy male or older woman, I'd try and get Pfizer or Moderna.

You seem to be getting the best of all worlds. Enjoy increasing the odds that you and your family will have a long and healthy life.
 
billconner
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04/26/2021 05:55AM  
On just one jab of the two jab vaccines, you would not be able to get a "vaccine passport" should that concept become popular. Already in use in NY, but very limited so far.
 
Canoearoo
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04/26/2021 10:30AM  
I just heard on the news 50% of adults have gotten shot 1 but of that 50%, 30% have not gone back to get their 2nd shot. They said the 2 reasons are: side effects from the first shot, or finding it hard to find that 2nd shot.
 
Canoearoo
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04/26/2021 10:32AM  
billconner: "On just one jab of the two jab vaccines, you would not be able to get a "vaccine passport" should that concept become popular. Already in use in NY, but very limited so far."

The only passport I am worried about is the state fair.. I love the state fair
 
04/27/2021 06:49PM  
Canoearoo: "I just heard on the news 50% of adults have gotten shot 1 but of that 50%, 30% have not gone back to get their 2nd shot. They said the 2 reasons are: side effects from the first shot, or finding it hard to find that 2nd shot."

I just read an article that says that number is only 8% have actually missed their second shot. Up from 4.5%. The CDC thinks it is lower. Some of the issue is reporting. People are getting their first shot a pharmacy then their second at their reservation or at their health clinic. Many times it is hard to link theses visits. Still the number is higher than a month ago.

I am guessing the news show was misrepresenting that most currently with only one shot are still waiting for the appropriate amount of time to pass for the second shot. They aren’t even eligible for the second shot yet.

T
 
LarryS48
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04/27/2021 07:46PM  
Canoearoo: "billconner: "On just one jab of the two jab vaccines, you would not be able to get a "vaccine passport" should that concept become popular. Already in use in NY, but very limited so far."

The only passport I am worried about is the state fair.. I love the state fair"


Can the vaccines save the state fair?

The state fair, traditionally a very large public gathering, could fall victim to COVID. However, vaccinations could save it. There are three things to consider.
1. The vaccine could save your life or at least insure that you are not so sick or contagious that you can’t personally attend.
2. If enough people get vaccinated, it is possible that things could be better by the fall. This will require that many of the hesitant come around. It also wouldn’t hurt if the vaccines prove to be safe and effective in children and we are able to start vaccinating them too.
3. There might (or might not) be an actual passport that would allow only fully vaccinated people to attend.

More inline with the purpose of this board, these same factors (now in both the US and Canada) might determine if Americans can paddle in Canada this year.

 
04/27/2021 08:38PM  
Canoearoo: "I just talked to my friend who is a doctor and she convinced me to get the Pfizer shot (her opinion is this is the best one) and to get 2 shots. Although she said one shot is better than none at all, but If I didn't want to spread it as easily to others then to get 2. Then by the grace of God I actually found 3 appointments (those in my family that qualify) an hour from my home for next Tuesday for shot one. Praying everything goes well.


So I will get 2 shots. Not because I want to the full protection, because if it was just for me I would get 1. But rather so I can protect others. Now I'm praying it wont be to bad.


My teen is getting the shots as well. She wants it more than I do. So we are getting it together along with my husband."


Good luck with this Canoearoo. I got both shots and had no side effects. My wife and teenagers both got their first shots and they haven't experienced any side effects so far. I think it just depends on one's physiology. Hope your family does well with the vaccinations. Be well!
 
Canoearoo
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04/27/2021 08:53PM  
HighnDry: "Canoearoo: "I just talked to my friend who is a doctor and she convinced me to get the Pfizer shot (her opinion is this is the best one) and to get 2 shots. Although she said one shot is better than none at all, but If I didn't want to spread it as easily to others then to get 2. Then by the grace of God I actually found 3 appointments (those in my family that qualify) an hour from my home for next Tuesday for shot one. Praying everything goes well.



So I will get 2 shots. Not because I want to the full protection, because if it was just for me I would get 1. But rather so I can protect others. Now I'm praying it wont be to bad.



My teen is getting the shots as well. She wants it more than I do. So we are getting it together along with my husband."



Good luck with this Canoearoo. I got both shots and had no side effects. My wife and teenagers both got their first shots and they haven't experienced any side effects so far. I think it just depends on one's physiology. Hope your family does well with the vaccinations. Be well!"
Thank you. First shot is done. Next is scheduled for mid May
 
04/28/2021 08:48AM  
timatkn: "Canoearoo: "I just heard on the news 50% of adults have gotten shot 1 but of that 50%, 30% have not gone back to get their 2nd shot. They said the 2 reasons are: side effects from the first shot, or finding it hard to find that 2nd shot."


I just read an article that says that number is only 8% have actually missed their second shot. Up from 4.5%. The CDC thinks it is lower. Some of the issue is reporting. People are getting their first shot a pharmacy then their second at their reservation or at their health clinic. Many times it is hard to link theses visits. Still the number is higher than a month ago.


I am guessing the news show was misrepresenting that most currently with only one shot are still waiting for the appropriate amount of time to pass for the second shot. They aren’t even eligible for the second shot yet.


T"


I might fall into this group, I got my first shot in Mahnomen on the White Earth Reservation. When my time came for the 2nd shot they called me, left a message to tell me to come in. I opted for another location on the Reservation for my shot that was closer and never went to Mahnomen for it.
 
Canoearoo
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04/28/2021 09:31AM  
LindenTree: "timatkn: "Canoearoo: "I just heard on the news 50% of adults have gotten shot 1 but of that 50%, 30% have not gone back to get their 2nd shot. They said the 2 reasons are: side effects from the first shot, or finding it hard to find that 2nd shot."



I just read an article that says that number is only 8% have actually missed their second shot. Up from 4.5%. The CDC thinks it is lower. Some of the issue is reporting. People are getting their first shot a pharmacy then their second at their reservation or at their health clinic. Many times it is hard to link theses visits. Still the number is higher than a month ago.



I am guessing the news show was misrepresenting that most currently with only one shot are still waiting for the appropriate amount of time to pass for the second shot. They aren’t even eligible for the second shot yet.



T"



I might fall into this group, I got my first shot in Mahnomen on the White Earth Reservation. When my time came for the 2nd shot they called me, left a message to tell me to come in. I opted for another location on the Reservation for my shot that was closer and never went to Mahnomen for it."


Yes that makes sense. From what I can tell they did not calculate that into the percentages
 
Canoearoo
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04/28/2021 09:33AM  
timatkn: "Canoearoo: "I just heard on the news 50% of adults have gotten shot 1 but of that 50%, 30% have not gone back to get their 2nd shot. They said the 2 reasons are: side effects from the first shot, or finding it hard to find that 2nd shot."


I just read an article that says that number is only 8% have actually missed their second shot. Up from 4.5%. The CDC thinks it is lower. Some of the issue is reporting. People are getting their first shot a pharmacy then their second at their reservation or at their health clinic. Many times it is hard to link theses visits. Still the number is higher than a month ago.


I am guessing the news show was misrepresenting that most currently with only one shot are still waiting for the appropriate amount of time to pass for the second shot. They aren’t even eligible for the second shot yet.


T"


I would like to read that article do you have a link?
 
billconner
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04/28/2021 03:31PM  
NYT article on skipping second dose.

Article
 
04/28/2021 05:53PM  
I simply don't get the panic about these blood clots. A total of 15 people out of 8 million people vaccinated. Death from cancer is 158.3 people out of every 100,000. Out of 8 million, there could have been over 12,000 deaths from cancer and we panic because of 15 people with blood clots. I just don't get it.
 
Canoearoo
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04/28/2021 07:29PM  
Some of us have a condition that puts us at higher risk for blood Clots. This is why I wanted only one shot but decided to do the 2 shots with pfizer instead.
 
04/28/2021 09:04PM  
billconner: "NYT article on skipping second dose.


Article "


Thanks...didn’t read it all but skimming looked like similar info.

T
 
nofish
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04/28/2021 10:37PM  
awbrown: "I simply don't get the panic about these blood clots. A total of 15 people out of 8 million people vaccinated. Death from cancer is 158.3 people out of every 100,000. Out of 8 million, there could have been over 12,000 deaths from cancer and we panic because of 15 people with blood clots. I just don't get it."

I feel like people are hyper focused on these vaccines and the potential side effects. 1 negative outcome out of every 1 million shots given and we've got a national headline.

Now look at all the medications many Americans take every day, I bet most are blissfully unaware of the potential side effects of these medications and how common or severe they may be.

Our ability to accurately assess risk is not nearly as accute as we think it is. We are guided too much by the media who tailors the info and presents it not in a way that is designed to be most informative but rather they present it in a way to be most profitable for them. The more viewers, readers, page views, or clicks they get means more money. The info on a story may be technically accurate, 15 people may have had blood clots, but that number can be sensationalized by down playing the fact that it represents 1 in 500,000 people who got the vaccine. Hardly seems newsworthy when considered through that lens, or when you consider routine birth control pills are far more likely to cause blood clots than the vaccine is.
 
04/29/2021 12:21PM  
awbrown: "I simply don't get the panic about these blood clots. A total of 15 people out of 8 million people vaccinated. Death from cancer is 158.3 people out of every 100,000. Out of 8 million, there could have been over 12,000 deaths from cancer and we panic because of 15 people with blood clots. I just don't get it."

It is human nature to be suspicious...but yes I agree if you look at the facts it does seem silly. The other thing is many people I know that are anti vaccers advocate for fringe drugs to treat COVID that have way less safety testing and what we do know about the drugs are they are exponentially more likely to cause harm to people. Quite the oxymoron?

T
 
Canoearoo
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04/29/2021 01:23PM  
I think people with medical conditions are very aware what the side effects of the drugs they take are. I think it is good that they paused the Johnsons and Johnson vaccine so ER's could be brought up to speed and so that people who are at risks of blood clots can take alterative shots.
 
missmolly
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04/29/2021 02:20PM  
nofish: "awbrown: "I simply don't get the panic about these blood clots. A total of 15 people out of 8 million people vaccinated. Death from cancer is 158.3 people out of every 100,000. Out of 8 million, there could have been over 12,000 deaths from cancer and we panic because of 15 people with blood clots. I just don't get it."


I feel like people are hyper focused on these vaccines and the potential side effects. 1 negative outcome out of every 1 million shots given and we've got a national headline.


Now look at all the medications many Americans take every day, I bet most are blissfully unaware of the potential side effects of these medications and how common or severe they may be.


Our ability to accurately assess risk is not nearly as accute as we think it is. We are guided too much by the media who tailors the info and presents it not in a way that is designed to be most informative but rather they present it in a way to be most profitable for them. The more viewers, readers, page views, or clicks they get means more money. The info on a story may be technically accurate, 15 people may have had blood clots, but that number can be sensationalized by down playing the fact that it represents 1 in 500,000 people who got the vaccine. Hardly seems newsworthy when considered through that lens, or when you consider routine birth control pills are far more likely to cause blood clots than the vaccine is.
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^All true.^
 
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05/04/2021 06:39AM  
Say you’ve got 200 employees. 40 aren’t vaccinated. Someone brings the virus to work. 10 people get sick, one person is out for 2 months or dies. More than a 1 in 500,000 chance of that happening. What happens to your insurance rates? What if you get sued for an unsafe workplace? I believe the standard of proof in civil cases is “more likely than not”, not “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Seems like private insurers might eventually be the ones who dictate who needs to get vaccinated and who doesn’t, not Dr. Fauci or Tucker Carlson.
 
nofish
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05/04/2021 07:56AM  
NotLight: "Say you’ve got 200 employees. 40 aren’t vaccinated. Someone brings the virus to work. 10 people get sick, one person is out for 2 months or dies. More than a 1 in 500,000 chance of that happening. What happens to your insurance rates? What if you get sued for an unsafe workplace? I believe the standard of proof in civil cases is “more likely than not”, not “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Seems like private insurers might eventually be the ones who dictate who needs to get vaccinated and who doesn’t, not Dr. Fauci or Tucker Carlson.
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You may be right. Depending on how things going businesses may decide to require the vaccines in order to prevent disruptions to the business. My company took extensive measures to avoid a covid outbreak that would potentially shut our business down. Our shipping and receiving team was split into 2 and each worked separate shifts and were not allowed to have close contact with each other. It disrupted productivity and cut into how much we had coming in and going out on a daily basis but it was better than everyone getting sick. If instead of splitting teams up and reducing productivity they could simply mandate the vaccine the company could reduce the risk of a major covid outbreak and also be able to keep a single team together in order to maximize productivity. In the end it makes more money for the company.

Now my company said they aren't going to mandate vaccines but others might. The first type of company that I could see mandating the vaccine are companies that have a lot of people physically on site, who require high productivity, and who hire people that may not easily be able to find another job. Thinking places like Amazon warehouse facilities, the meat packing plants that have had bug outbreaks, or other factory type jobs. I doubt we'll places that hire mainly white-collar workers mandate the vaccine though, they'd likely be too afraid of chasing employees away.
 
05/04/2021 07:59AM  
Canoearoo: "I think people with medical conditions are very aware what the side effects of the drugs they take are. I think it is good that they paused the Johnsons and Johnson vaccine so ER's could be brought up to speed and so that people who are at risks of blood clots can take alterative shots. "

I am not sure if this was an answer to my post? I was speaking about for COVID anti-vaxers advocate for drugs like ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine which can have terrible side affects. My mom is on the latter for lupus and can attest it isn’t something she would not want to take normally. They typically advocate for these fringe drugs in the guise of we don’t need to vaccinate??? They are for drugs that have documented and studied side effects that can be 100x worse than the vaccinations with no documented efficacy for COVID. Defies any logic or safety.

The J&J pause I totally agree with ya. Can’t be too careful.

T
 
Canoearoo
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05/08/2021 09:30AM  
I saw this online and it explains it well
 
09/12/2021 07:58AM  
Canoearoo: "I saw this online and it explains it well "

Strange source. Maybe a nice explanation. The guy is a tv producer.
 
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