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05/16/2025 10:24AM
I just dont understand ursacks....could someone explain how they are useful at all? Bear Barrels I understand, dont like them but understand them. How are ursacks useful? The bear smashes everything in them while they are tied to a tree? It rains and everything gets wet unless you put it in something while tied to the tree? You still pack in inside a different pack....
I just dont get them.
I just dont get them.
05/16/2025 10:58AM
MarshallPrime: "I just dont understand ursacks....could someone explain how they are useful at all? Bear Barrels I understand, dont like them but understand them. How are ursacks useful? The bear smashes everything in them while they are tied to a tree? It rains and everything gets wet unless you put it in something while tied to the tree? You still pack in inside a different pack....
I just dont get them."
The intent of an Ursack is not to save the food for your consumption, but to prevent an easy meal for the bear.
"It is more important to live for the possibilities that lie ahead than to die in despair over what has been lost." -Barry Lopez
05/16/2025 02:05PM
Um, Wait, what? So 50% of this is fail?
50% is save the food so the human campers have food for the week and 50% is to keep the bears out of the food and train them that they wont get anything from it.
so..... I have to be missing something.
50% is save the food so the human campers have food for the week and 50% is to keep the bears out of the food and train them that they wont get anything from it.
so..... I have to be missing something.
05/16/2025 02:29PM
If you're pretty confident you won't have bear issues, and willing to accept the small risk that you could (zero encounters for me in 40+ years), then they are a good compromise solution.
They wouldn't stop a bear from mashing up your food, but they are less visible to bears than a traditional hang, easier to stash for the night than a traditional hang, easier to pack than a barrel/vault, and they keep the bear unfed, and you in compliance with the USFS.
They wouldn't stop a bear from mashing up your food, but they are less visible to bears than a traditional hang, easier to stash for the night than a traditional hang, easier to pack than a barrel/vault, and they keep the bear unfed, and you in compliance with the USFS.
05/16/2025 07:42PM
brulu: "If you're pretty confident you won't have bear issues, and willing to accept the small risk that you could (zero encounters for me in 40+ years), then they are a good compromise solution.
They wouldn't stop a bear from mashing up your food, but they are less visible to bears than a traditional hang, easier to stash for the night than a traditional hang, easier to pack than a barrel/vault, and they keep the bear unfed, and you in compliance with the USFS."
Yep, they are considerably more convenient, light, and cost effective compared to bear canisters. If a bear finds it, yeah there's a good chance it would destroy what's inside. Determined claws and teeth can even penetrate them. But there are plenty of stories of them getting into BearVaults as well. Use odor proof bags and basic precautions and it's very unlikely they'd ever bother it.
As for rain, you need to use plastic bags for BearVaults too, since they aren't watertight.
I used to subscribe to the Cliff Jacobson stash philosophy. An Ursack is just a better version of that, really.
I love my Ursack. I wouldn't depend on it alone for a long trip where getting out is a multi-day task. I understand that if a bear does try to get into it, I could lose everything inside. It's a risk I'm willing to take, in most instances. One reason is because if we ever do have a bear encounter, I highly doubt the wife would allow us to keep camping, lol.
05/16/2025 09:09PM
A bear sauntered into my camp and sniffed my Ursacks which were secured to a tree just on the edge of my camp. It was just after dark. I heard the bear snorting and breathing heavy. I made a bunch of noise and scared the bear off. The bear never came back. My food was untouched.
If my food was in a pack laying on the ground then the bear would have most definitely ran off with my pack and food leaving only wrappers in it's wake.
I don't believe that Ursacks are meant to be left unattended for long periods at camp with food inside while you are away on a day trip or even out fishing.
The Ursacks will prevent a bear from being rewarded which is the whole point of the regulation. Ursacks will also prevent you from losing your food as long as you are nearby to scare away a bear within a timely manner.
Ursacks are lightweight and very packable. They are able to be safely and easily tied to a tree without ropes and pulley's etc. The Ursacks will absolutely prevent a bear from running off with your food.
I'm a big fan!
If my food was in a pack laying on the ground then the bear would have most definitely ran off with my pack and food leaving only wrappers in it's wake.
I don't believe that Ursacks are meant to be left unattended for long periods at camp with food inside while you are away on a day trip or even out fishing.
The Ursacks will prevent a bear from being rewarded which is the whole point of the regulation. Ursacks will also prevent you from losing your food as long as you are nearby to scare away a bear within a timely manner.
Ursacks are lightweight and very packable. They are able to be safely and easily tied to a tree without ropes and pulley's etc. The Ursacks will absolutely prevent a bear from running off with your food.
I'm a big fan!
05/17/2025 03:59AM
HangLoose: "…Ursacks are lightweight and very packable. They are able to be safely and easily tied to a tree without ropes and pulley's etc. The Ursacks will absolutely prevent a bear from running off with your food. I'm a big fan!
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100% agree with this sentiment. Ursacks are yet another tool in the arsenal. I love mine.
05/17/2025 12:07PM
MarshallPrime: "Um, Wait, what? So 50% of this is fail?
50% is save the food so the human campers have food for the week and 50% is to keep the bears out of the food and train them that they wont get anything from it.
so..... I have to be missing something."
If you are not interested, do not use them. Plenty of folks love bulky canisters, pulleys and rope. I used to myself (actually was never a fan of hanging), but I bought a couple Ursacks about 15 years ago and have absolutely no regrets-nor have I ever had an issues with critters getting into my food.
"The future ain't what it used to be" Yogi Berra
05/17/2025 02:48PM
I attached one of those personal alarms to my ursack. When the base gets messed with, it pulls the alarm open and makes enough racket that I can check out what was messing with my food pack. Most of the time, it was my brother...
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05/24/2025 05:23PM
They are also critter resistant. So, that little a$$hole chipmunk that chewed my Jetboil lid, gnawed a hole in my hot sauce (I’m sure he was wiping with ice-cubes after that), and bit my string of Lucy lights in half can’t get at your dehydrated meals for the week.
You can also get OPSack bags that fit snugly inside a URSack. These bags eliminate any food scent from being emitted from the bag, rendering the URSack blind to any searching nose…unless you wipe food scraps onto the outside of the bags…
They also get more compact as you eat your way through your stores, unlike the barrel.
You can also get OPSack bags that fit snugly inside a URSack. These bags eliminate any food scent from being emitted from the bag, rendering the URSack blind to any searching nose…unless you wipe food scraps onto the outside of the bags…
They also get more compact as you eat your way through your stores, unlike the barrel.
05/24/2025 06:51PM
Basketcase: "They are also critter resistant. So, that little a$$hole chipmunk that chewed my Jetboil lid, gnawed a hole in my hot sauce (I’m sure he was wiping with ice-cubes after that), and bit my string of Lucy lights in half can’t get at your dehydrated meals for the week. "
Only the Allmighty versions are critter resistant, supposedly, but I haven't had issues with my regular one.
05/25/2025 10:36PM
MarshallPrime: "I just dont understand ursacks....could someone explain how they are useful at all? Bear Barrels I understand, dont like them but understand them. How are ursacks useful? The bear smashes everything in them while they are tied to a tree? It rains and everything gets wet unless you put it in something while tied to the tree? You still pack in inside a different pack....
I just dont get them."
Food doesn't get wet because you should ALWAYS be putting it into "odor proof" bags like Opsak or Smelly Proof brands. The goal is to shrink the odor radius enough (hanging them away from camp and other food smells, too) that a bear is unlikely to even bother with them. I was sure the Rose Lake bear was going to mess with mine while I was sleeping a couple years ago because he had waltzed right into camp while we were cooking, but he never found it during the overnight hours.
Note: I never put liquids in an Ursack since that is the only likely reward a bear would get if they happen to puncture it and it dripped.
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